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Poll Results

On the Beach 12
Tonight's the Night 12
Rust Never Sleeps 12
After the Gold Rush 9
Sleeps With Angels 8
Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere 7
Arc/Weld 3
Old Ways 3
Dead Man 2
Ragged Glory 2
Trans 2
Live Rust 2
Time Fades Away 1
Re-ac-tor 1
Zuma 1
Everybody's Rockin' 1
Mirror Ball 1
Harvest 1
Comes a Time 1
Broken Arrow 1
Hawks & Doves 1
Silver & Gold 0
Are You Passionate? 0
Greendale 0
Prairie Wind 0
Harvest Moon 0
Freedom 0
This Note's for You 0
Life 0
Landing on Water 0
Neil Young 0
American Stars 'N Bars 0
Living with War0

strgn, Sunday, 17 June 2007 11:18 (thirteen years ago) link

oh shit decade

strgn, Sunday, 17 June 2007 11:21 (thirteen years ago) link

and #s of boots. sorry gang. read my lips, vote dead man

strgn, Sunday, 17 June 2007 11:22 (thirteen years ago) link

After The Gold Rush.

but On The Beach too. the title song makes me cry.

bakerstreetsaxsolo, Sunday, 17 June 2007 12:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I voted Time Fades Away

Billy Pilgrim, Sunday, 17 June 2007 12:43 (thirteen years ago) link

this was already done.
Best of Neil Young studio records

Zeno, Sunday, 17 June 2007 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link

This one has live albums.

Some of them, anyway. (Unplugged, Year of the Horse, Road Rock vol. 1)

StanM, Sunday, 17 June 2007 14:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh. The studio albums poll had the live albums too. Nevermind then.

StanM, Sunday, 17 June 2007 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link

I voted Ragged Glory because it needs more love and less rockism. That's a srsly good record, yo.

kenan, Sunday, 17 June 2007 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link

First person to vote "Old Ways" gets a dollar from me.

kenan, Sunday, 17 June 2007 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link

I voted for "Old Ways" just for the cash. You want my paypal address?

Rock Hardy, Sunday, 17 June 2007 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link

After The Gold Rush = the good songs are so good they make you forget about the bad ones

On The Beach = pretty much all good

Hurting 2, Sunday, 17 June 2007 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link

I mean "When You Dance" is kind of endearing as a cornily sincere, b-level hippie artifact, but Cripple Creek Ferry is a real turd of a song, and Birds isn't great either.

Hurting 2, Sunday, 17 June 2007 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link

I got to get away from this day to day running around

calstars, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link


circa1916, Sunday, 17 June 2007 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Arc/Weld. The worst/best live albums ever.

SeekAltRoute, Monday, 18 June 2007 03:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Dead Man is actually really really good.

MRZBW, Monday, 18 June 2007 08:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Tonight's The Night

closely followed by Goldrush and On The Beach

TTN is definitely my favourite - it's so fucked, so moving. Tender, ragged and rocking in equal measure.

Baby Mellow My Mind aches so hard - the swell of pedal steel, touch of lonesome barroom piano, and Neil's voice actually breaking up.

Come On Baby Let's Go Downtown rocks. It sounds so triumphant in its hedonism yet the undercurrent is utterly bleak.

Other favourites - Everybody Knows, Rust, Zuma, Time Fades Away, Sleeps With Angels, Live Rust. Hell, there hardly any poor ones. I've not heard the infamous Landing On Water, but Are You Passionate was bloody awful. Trans is ace though.

Ragged Glory is great fun, one of his most satisfying rock records, but I wouldn't quite put it in the top rung of Neil albums.

Harvest - handful of great songs and some dreary stuff too. Overall, it's too slick, too polite. I like Neil a little scuffed around the edges.

Stew, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Rust Never Sleeps has Powderfinger, for the win.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 23:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Anyone else notice how Apatow kept dropping the cover of Landing On Water all over Knocked Up. What's the deal with that? Consensus aropund these parts on that album?

talrose, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 06:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Rust Never Sleeps for "Powderfinger", but also because of the individually peculiar time and place in which I first loved this record. Also, it's an incredibly balanced album in so many ways I can't be bothered to expand on here.

Lostandfound, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 06:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Consensus aropund these parts on that album?

I noticed the curious product placement too, Tal. There's an interesting thread here devoted to Landing on Water.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:12 (thirteen years ago) link

no "none of the above"????

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link

just snuck in a vote for tonight's the night. right in the nick of time.

emotion of the less contained and calculated variety

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link

me for tonights the night, too. its so close though - there are better songs on zuma and everybody knows, and almost enough to give the nod to one of them, but TTN takes it

69, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, Tonight's The Night would be my second or third and very close.

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Rust Never Sleeps by a hair, for side one and Powderfinger alone (though nearly sunk by Welfare Mothers).

Davey D, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh c'mon, Welfare Mothers is great! My favorite Neil Young throwaway.

Jiminy Krokus, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link


Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link

a 3-way tie this time then.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 21 June 2007 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Fair result.

Lostandfound, Thursday, 21 June 2007 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Wait. Zuma should've been much higher, though.

Lostandfound, Thursday, 21 June 2007 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link

c'est vrai

blunt, Thursday, 21 June 2007 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Someone voted for Everybody's Rockin' again.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 21 June 2007 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link

One vote for "Zuma"! No way!! This poll is corrupt!!!

Tom D., Thursday, 21 June 2007 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link

"On the Beach" - there's an ILM album if ever there was one

Tom D., Thursday, 21 June 2007 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Sleeps With Angels is way too high. And Freedom is way too low.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 21 June 2007 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link

The fact that Zuma ranked below Trans completely invalidates this poll.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 21 June 2007 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link

So, basically, I'm the only person who voted for "Zuma"? Don't believe it.

Tom D., Thursday, 21 June 2007 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

I wasn't around when CSN(and sometimes Y) were at their peak, so apologies for the following somewhat naive question:

How much of Neil Young's popularity in the 70s can be attributed to his association with CSN? The thought never really occurred to me until I was checking out CSN(Y)'s Allmusic entry today, which says "it was the only American-based band to approach the overall societal impact of the Beatles".

Personally, I like Neil Young exponentially more than CSN(Y), so my gut feeling is that the majority of Neil Young's fans were there on account of his own talent. But was there a certain contingency of fans who cheered loudest for "Ohio" and "Helpless", contemplating to themselves at the Live Rust concerts that it would be better if CSN were up on stage too? Or was it more like "Why the hell does Neil Young ever play with them? They butchered 'Helpless'..."? Just wondering what the prevalent view was back in the day.

Z S, Friday, 23 November 2007 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

When CSN and sometimes Y reunited for a predictably horrible album in 1988, Neil begged off the obligatory tour, saying, "I dunno man, those guys need some serious practice."

And that Allmusic statement strikes me as comically absurd.

Sara Sara Sara, Friday, 23 November 2007 20:18 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I admit it raised my eyebrow as well, but then I go the ILM search function, and the second thing I read on the Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young C/D S/D thread is "i'm more interested in the fact that CSN(Y) (or whatever) were actually REALLY POPULAR and BIG -- as in springsteen in '85/outkast or britney spears BIG. that's such a radical sea-change in mass public musical taste that deserves some comment, no?"

Z S, Friday, 23 November 2007 20:23 (twelve years ago) link

On The Beach is very good, but would have voted Everybody Knows this is Nowhere, in fact i shall play it now

Alex in Denver, Friday, 23 November 2007 20:25 (twelve years ago) link

hi alex, how is the weather in denver? in frankfurt it has been raining most of the day. i would have voted <i>after the goldrush</i>, i think. but <i>on the beach</i> is a decent winner, too.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 23 November 2007 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

i will never learn the ilm html tags...

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 23 November 2007 20:30 (twelve years ago) link


moscow_nights, Monday, 26 November 2007 03:45 (twelve years ago) link

it was the only American-based band to approach the overall societal impact of the Beatles

In their time their American album sales were HUGE. Their cultural cachet was such that their public greeted "Ohio" as a major statement. I'm wary of statements like AllMusic's, but the Shakey bio also makes the same suggestion.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 November 2007 03:48 (twelve years ago) link

CSNY were huge because the Byrds, the Hollies, and the Buffalo Springfield had all been huge before.

Nubbelverbrennung, Monday, 26 November 2007 11:26 (twelve years ago) link

so fuckin psyched for this

sleeve, Friday, 15 May 2020 16:24 (two months ago) link

ooh! this is something worth looking forward to
these recordings have been sitting there for this long, you know they're coming up for air eventually and now we know when!
actually i don't know exactly when -- when is this being released again?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 15 May 2020 16:50 (two months ago) link

June 19 is the latest date — it's been pushed back several times naturally ... Neil can still change his mind!

tylerw, Friday, 15 May 2020 17:19 (two months ago) link

this time, though, it's showing up as "upcoming" on e.g. apple music, first time that's happened

Joey Corona (Euler), Friday, 15 May 2020 17:21 (two months ago) link

reckon it's the same for spotify etc

Joey Corona (Euler), Friday, 15 May 2020 17:21 (two months ago) link

yeah, i mean, for the first time Homegrown exists as an actual thing ... it's happening, one way or another.

tylerw, Friday, 15 May 2020 17:22 (two months ago) link

if I recall from Shakey (tyler correct me if I'm wrong) the reasons for not releasing it were:

a) was going through a breakup and some of the songs were painful to him


b) he thought it was too "good" or commercial and was feeling hemmed in by his Harvest success

c) he was partying and played Tonight's the Night for some of the Band and a no doubt coked to the gills Rick Danko convinced him to release Tonight's the Night instead

d) all of that is misremembered or half true or not true

e) It's Neil!

you can preorder it on amazon, but rough trade says it's a record store day item

mizzell, Friday, 15 May 2020 17:32 (two months ago) link

xp pretty much all of the above. i wouldn't say it's all that commercial, really — aside from maybe "Love Is A Rose" there's no obvious hit song, and even that is done in a very spare style.

here's my long essay about homegrown if you want the fine details as far as they are known:

tylerw, Friday, 15 May 2020 17:33 (two months ago) link


i feel like i'm getting the ILX premium member benefits right now

porlockian solicitor (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 May 2020 18:11 (two months ago) link

yeah that essay is really interesting tyler, thanks for sharing!

Re:"why now" i was thinking either 1, he was waiting for the time when the world needs these jams the most. Or 2, due to lockdown its finally possible for his people to get him to sit the fuck down undistracted and actually sign off on shit

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Friday, 15 May 2020 20:20 (two months ago) link

I think the RSD version has a limited poster with it or something.

Cow_Art, Friday, 15 May 2020 20:24 (two months ago) link

PONO Download Card

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 15 May 2020 20:31 (two months ago) link

Homegrown does not disappoint — definitely a worthy addition to Neil's mid-70s canon, but also pretty different from the other ditch LPs. It rules.

― tylerw, 23:20 יום חמישי 14 מאי 2020 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Have you listened to it?!

nostormo, Friday, 15 May 2020 20:33 (two months ago) link

Great simple song

nostormo, Friday, 15 May 2020 20:34 (two months ago) link

it's beautiful.

sleight return (voodoo chili), Friday, 15 May 2020 20:35 (two months ago) link

Have you listened to it?!
yes, promo streams went out in March.

tylerw, Friday, 15 May 2020 20:57 (two months ago) link


nostormo, Friday, 15 May 2020 21:05 (two months ago) link

The good news about the latest delay is that it now comes out on the same day as the new Bobby D so I can get my old fart fix in all at once.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 15 May 2020 21:09 (two months ago) link

xxp I thought that said "pono streams" for a sec and was like, wow, tylerw is all in

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 May 2020 21:59 (two months ago) link

just preordered this, stoked

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 May 2020 21:59 (two months ago) link

great article Tyler thanks for sharing

the proportions in the album art look really weird and off to me, unsurprisingly

sleeve, Friday, 15 May 2020 23:15 (two months ago) link

is the cover art contemporaneous with the recording?

devvvine, Saturday, 16 May 2020 10:45 (two months ago) link


Lee626, Saturday, 16 May 2020 11:08 (two months ago) link

I remember reading a Neil thread (not this one) in which someone gave a quick rundown of their favourite post-2000 NY albums. They said that Psychedelic Pill was their favourite. I can't find that thread now, does anyone know which one it is?

(It wasn't 21st century Neil Young studio albums poll, either.)

the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Sunday, 17 May 2020 18:21 (two months ago) link

maybe this? Search and destroy: Neil Young

willem, Monday, 18 May 2020 07:50 (two months ago) link

That's the one, thanks!

Listening to Chrome Dreams II now, wow how did I sleep on "Ordinary People" for so long

the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Monday, 18 May 2020 08:59 (two months ago) link

well, neil also slept on it for about 20 years

tylerw, Monday, 18 May 2020 17:20 (two months ago) link

the Bluenote Cafe version is well worth hearing, some interesting differences

three weeks pass...


this is the shit

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 June 2020 14:33 (two months ago) link

Yeah this slaps!

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 12 June 2020 15:53 (two months ago) link


sleeve, Friday, 12 June 2020 23:21 (two months ago) link

album streaming at

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 15:39 (one month ago) link

just "Separate Ways" is a stunner, real lost classic

loved it on first impression, kind of Harvest but with the down and out druggie vibes of On the Beach?

Florida is something! N01z3 dr0n3

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 15:47 (one month ago) link

Loving this. Go, 1975-Neil!!

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 18:07 (one month ago) link

damn this is great

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 20:16 (one month ago) link

all her friends call her lil wayne

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 20:46 (one month ago) link

homegrown rules

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 22:12 (one month ago) link

an instant top-tier neil album for me. it's a weird experience, listening to it, because through my casual-to-intermediate fandom of his music, i've come across several of the songs, in different versions on other albums, or live. but these original versions are so fucking good! it sounds so good. the sound of mid-70s neil young is so warm, it's an instant comfort blanket

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 22:14 (one month ago) link

very cool to hear how part of Kansas follows the same melody line he would use later on Powderfinger...maybe a year later?

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 22:17 (one month ago) link

not even a year later! and also, of course, how "love is a rose" uses the melody line from "dance, dance, dance" a few years before. borrowed tunes, as it were :)

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 18 June 2020 01:21 (one month ago) link

It's so fascinating to me when artists like Neil Young or Springsteen or Prince or Dylan or whomever can record albums worth of really good stuff, sometimes even their best stuff, and think, eh, and then shelve it for decades. I've always wondered if any artist can be so self aware or ego-free as to even distinguish their best albums from their worst, or if they're so busy going forward they don't even think about it. Like, I was reading the latest Tape Op, and there's a guy that worked on remastering "Band on the Run," and he's in the studio with Paul McCartney, and McCartney admits he'd never listened to the album as a finished artifact before.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 June 2020 02:29 (one month ago) link

neil, prince and dylan, sure, but is that actually true of springsteen? i remember thinking, the first time i heard "tracks," that springsteen had an amazing ear for his own work and instinctively understood what to keep and what to discard. i still can't think of a single track on "tracks" that i wish he had included on one of his studio albums.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 18 June 2020 02:39 (one month ago) link

holy shit, this album

"Homegrown" is an instant anthem, up there with any other tune of his you could name imo

"Florida" is maybe the weirdest fucking curveball he's ever thrown, which is saying a lot, love how it segues into "I woke up from a bad dream"

"Try" is perfect in every way


sleeve, Thursday, 18 June 2020 03:59 (one month ago) link

yeah, honestly i don't like "florida" so much. but it really does stand out as a particularly experimental song for a musician in his position at the time

Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 June 2020 04:39 (one month ago) link

"try" otm

that's the one that jumped out at me on first listen. was it known before now? i know true neil young fans have been familiar with all this material for years, but "try" was new to me

Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 June 2020 04:40 (one month ago) link

When I first heard “Florida” I immediately thought : “This is his ‘The Gift’ “

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 18 June 2020 05:49 (one month ago) link

"florida" eventually turned into dead man and le noise, at least

Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 June 2020 05:54 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

i peaced out on "lookin' for a leader" after "maybe it's a woman / or a black man after all"

sorry neil!

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 31 July 2020 21:10 (one week ago) link

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