Cherrelle - "I Didn't Mean To Turn You On"

one of my favorite dancing songs! it's a jam & lewis production so you can start with checking out their other production works. their œuvre is chock-a-block with greatness.

OMG I KNEW it must be jam and lewis - wait are they the duo who did control? cuz it sounds sooo much like that

"Saturday Love" by Cherelle and Alexander O'Neal was great.

Her greatest hits has other nuggets.

Surmounter, it was written and produced by Jam/Lewis. Read this for more.

"Saturday Love" is her greatest song, actually.

A mere 6.8 for "someone to call my lover"? MADNESS!

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/SearchControllerServlet

is there a story with this and prince's 1999? i always wondered.

Wait a minute, wait a minute. Robert Palmer *wrote* it?? I heard the Cherelle version first and assumed he'd covered it, since his version didn't come out until later.

Okay, allmusic says Palmer didn't write it.

Anyway, I remember liking the Cherelle version a lot, it was during this time when I listened to nothing but this R&B radio station all the time.

this + 1999 - in that it's the same beat, both came out 84 (which wz first?), jam&lewis kicked out the band the year before? sorry if this is some hackneyed old tale already. or if its just a coincidence.

Ahh! Here it is on YouTube! I haven't heard this song in eons!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8luxaT0JRs

Mariah Carey also covered it on the Glitter soundtrack.

I remember "Fragile" being underrated as an album, even if "High Priority" has the big hits.

Hm...well this song doesn't sound near as earth shattering now as it did then. Sounds dated, in fact. At the time it really stood out among all the other stuff on that radio station, I swear...

is this thread for real?

prince, i can't believe i haven't gone there yet. i mean there's something stopping me, but i know it's one of those stupid things where when i finally do it i'm gonna kick myself.

seek: todd terje remix/re-edit titled Dub On You

As Alfred's link indicates, I love this song.

Sorry, PappaWheelie, not everyone on this thread is an accomplished music historian on all fronts, known in some circles for his extensive music archive arranged by era and genre, all in chronological order, with recordings dating back to 1877.

haha some of us use that brain power to become accomplished ilx.xls historians?

i love this song! EPIC.

it's cherrelle with 2 Rs btw in case any searches are being stymied.

ah two r's :-) my bad

hmmm... this was considered some pretty wack shit in my NYC circles.

I mean yeah, it was on the radio every five minutes and isn't terrible exactly but it ain't Shannon neitha.

I hate the production. SOS Band, Alexander O'Neal... All that shit sounded way too slick at the time but seems to get a lotta love nowadays. Jam/Lewis = way overrated IMO. Mobbed up shit.

Bit MOR=sounding, buppie 80's shit really for the Dennis Hopson haircut crowd.

Anyone really cool was trippin heavy on "Somebody Else's Guy" right about then, which blows this shit to pieces. That doesn't completely invalidate this piece of music of course, but just sayin, if you was around then, you woulda been into something a bit cooler I am guessing. not hatin, lovin.

Hmmm anyone heard this Lalo Schifrin 12" on Tabu?!

OMG Somebody Else's Guy is on this random mix I found too - and it's great!!!

yeah, this totally sounds like shake-your-hips music for the ritzy and tipsy crowd - but it's none the worse for it. "Somebody Else's Guy" is great too, of course, but pitting mid-80s club smashes against each other feels a bit silly given how spectacular most of them were/are.

well OK what other mid-80s club smashes should i get then

Personally I feel like Jam/Lewis productions sound better today than they were back then. In the mid 80s they were a bit too "radical", whereas today, when one is used to hearing way more extreme stuff, Jam/Lewis sound OK.

I still despise "Nasty" though!

yes i know what you mean Geir, it's like now, it comes across as really tasteful, subtle, smart.

Nasty rules

I hate the production. SOS Band, Alexander O'Neal... All that shit sounded way too slick at the time but seems to get a lotta love nowadays

I don't know how SOS Band and Cherrelle can be considered slick. Explain.

Thanks for setting us straight, Saxby.

i like slick, in any event ::shrugs::

also i do think certain music sounds better at certain times. this song coulda sounded what, not that revolutionary back then, by the standards of sound of the moment. now, because music has explored different things, it's a welcome treat.

That doesn't completely invalidate this piece of music of course, but just sayin, if you was around then, you woulda been into something a bit cooler I am guessing.

oh god i am going to turn into this guy in 20 years' time

Yeah, I could do without hearing a whole lot of Janet's stuff, but I've been gobbling up all the Alexander O'Neal, Cherrelle, and SOS Band stuff I didn't here nearly as much as Janet down here in rural NC. I'll always have a soft spot for "Human" as well even though it is as slick as slick could get. It just sounds gorgeously pristine. I actually found the "Criticize" 12" and the "I Didn't Mean to Turn You One" 12" both in the dollar bin at Dusty Groove during my only visit there. A fine day it was. As for more stuff to looks for Surmounter, lots of stuff recommended here:

Electro R&B/1984-1986 S/D

Hearsay is easily one of my top ten favorite albums.

Shannon and Jocelyn Brown were somewhere around the top of the charts with Cherrelle and SOS Band. All four could be heard on the same station within the same hour. I was "around" then and have a hard time buying that Jocelyn was actually the Fugazi to SOS Band's Silverchair or whatever.

Jocelyn was actually the Fugazi to SOS Band's Silverchair

Contemplating this has called me to lose what's left my nosehair, Andy. Thanks.

awesome thx matt

heard on the same station within the same hour. I was "around" then

Hey there are many different types of "being around". I was referring to being a part of the indie label scene of the era, not about being within the listening radius of WBLS, ya cunt.

lol indie.

Celluloid wasn't major

huh?

nice words, now, boys

I was referring to being a part of the indie label scene of the era, not about being within the listening radius of WBLS, ya cunt.

Please excuse my lack of decorum.

"Human" was obviously a great song, but I still cannot get myself to really enjoy that because I found what Human League had usually been doing so much better. Plus the rest of the "Crash" album was mostly rubbish.

While it's no lost classic, Crash showed that the League really had nothing more to say. Most of the songs are pretty good to great, and would have better served Janet or the SOS Band. "Jam," "Human" and what I think is the loveliest thing Jam/Lewis ever did the 12" mix of "Love is All That Matters" are the only things on which Phil Oakey doesn't disgrace himself.

it's good tho, amidst all the bizarreness, i actually have gotten a bunch of recommendations out of this, and i'm gonna be placing a huuuge amazon order 2day. word

Uhm, Saxby, dude's called himself "little lord fauntleroy". Don't you think he just might possibly be a troll asking for exactly the sort of reaction you just gave him?

hmmm, yeah maybe. I can be a bit of a babe in the woods about that sort of thing. I always just assume people are straight up but obviously that is really naive. Plus I really don't look at the people's names... maybe better start I guess. I just really don't ever want to become one of these people that knows the difference between Marcello and Geir. I just want to chat about music and learn stuff. If someone is DIRECTLY NICE to me, I will remember that. (and remember the people I hate too, I guess)

I didn't mind pounding him anyway. Some of these same issues came up in the LDN is a victim thread too. I feel pretty strongly about that stuff.

bimble vs. saxby = the perfect storm?

heh, I am SO never dealing with Bimble again, unless maybe someone offers us a lucrative reality TV show contract.

okay what SOS album should i get, quick i'm adding to my cart

Their greatest is pretty solid; any collection with "Just Be Good To Me" will do.

k... i hate greatests tho ; (

yo dude -- ha ha ha

Saxby, I'd like it if you'd start a thread about the Paradise Garage and your memories of it. Some of the things you said above are pretty interesting. Good to get some context on this (and other) records too - would never have guessed that IDMTTYO was frowned upon by the top level DJ guys. I still love it, but it's good to get a handle on how it was perceived at the time.

Another great song that hasn't been mentioned on this thread yet: Donna Allen - Serious (Do we have a better term for this type of music other than '80s disco'?)

I picked up the "Serious" 12" for 50 cents last year. A pretty weak production but it was fun hearing where Strike's "U Sure Do" came from. I'd classify it as '80s R&B/dancepop.

would never have guessed that IDMTTYO was frowned upon by the top level DJ guys

Listening to it again, it makes sense. Even in the seven minute mix, there's no break or real instrumental section that would appeal to clubbers/DJs. It's very pop.

i only just discovered Taana Gardner's 'Work That Body'. hotness.

also Sylvia's 'Automatic Lover' and Tata Vega's 'Get It Up For Love'. all this awesome endof70s disco-pop i wish i'd investigated sooner.

Tch, get wit the program Stevem. I'll post you a cd-r of all this type of stuff if you pester me enough.

<i>A pretty weak production but it was fun hearing where Strike's "U Sure Do" came from.</i>

Did Strike sample Donna? Aw, it's not weak though, it's very very pop so I guess the PG bigwigs would have sneered but it sounds great played out.

Surmounter, I'm sure it's too late now but I'd recommend the first SOS Band album if you really want an album and not a comp. I pretty positive that Jam and Lewis had nothing to do with that one though so maybe it's not what you'd want.

well, i mean i wasn't specifically looking for jam and lewis, but for that sound

and i realized that i don't necessarily have to place a big amazon order - i do like the independent sellers, so it's not like i'm saving on shipping buying everything at once

i ended up ordering: Cherrelle - High Priority, Rene and Angela - Street, and something else on the thread linked above - Loose Ends or something it was called? i'm so xcited. i also bought a ton of kristin hersh, the new bjork and a That Dog album.

would never have guessed that IDMTTYO was frowned upon by the top level DJ guys

Listening to it again, it makes sense. Even in the seven minute mix, there's no break or real instrumental section that would appeal to clubbers/DJs. It's very pop.

Thank you! A "radio record" maybe? (btw, thanks dude, you make sense to me and I will try to remember you are saaaafe).

Saxby, I'd like it if you'd start a thread about the Paradise Garage and your memories of it.

Yeah, hey cool except I don't know if you are just some troll trying to get me to make an ass out of myself somehow (which given half a chance I probably would do). "So Larry rolled his eyes and said to me...."

The other thing really is that I aim to actually stay anonymous on here. If I really get into who I was actually running with (or really much about much), you'll be able to Google me or some shit that I just ain't into.

That Dog

Anna W. forev. <3 her solo album is also probably a nice pickup at ebay prices.

By the way, just in closing, it really isn't terribly amusing to me the way the mob took over independent dance music and turned it into oceans of buppie MOR sludge, "R&B" and "hip-hop". Support that shit if you want but I ain't about it. I hate to say it (for one thing because it's a bit painful) but if all them cool gay people hadn't died, it probably wouldn't have really went down quite the same way.

Like, really, Saxby is out this bitch. Watch out for the clothing line.

Ah no I'm not a troll, I just found some of the things you said on this thread fascinating and I'd like to read them someplace where you won't get jumped on and dissed. I see your point about wanting to stay anon but I hope you stick around ILM, you seem like you'll add a lot to it.

=) i love how this thread's responses are now counting down to 0. what happens when they get down to 0?

what! now counting up again!

I hope you stick around ILM, you seem like you'll add a lot to it.

Thanks dude, I just meant I am outta this thread... I'll be sticking around ILM. I'll try to remember you are OK then. You were smart to pick a name like NI, btw. People don't track every fucking thing you do I bet.

um, so I just put Cherrelle's High Priority on, and it definitely sounds good to me ;-)

omg Saturday Love

This is such a great thread. FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

actually I was thinking about this thread earlier today.

I thought of another reason I love this song: it's in my vocal range, only down a few octaves.

I need to hear you karaoke.

sundaymondaytuesdaywednesdaythursdayfridaySATURDAAAYYLOVE

My history at karaoke in total:

* Daft Punk, "One More Time"
* Stevie Wonder, "Don't You Worry 'Bout a Thing"
* Prince, "Erotic City"

Okay so Oh No It's U Again off High Priority is really, really great, EXCEPT there's this one fucking percussive tick throughout the song that WON'T FUCKING STOP and it's like BARELY keeping a reasonable beat and it's DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!

i mean like i almost feel sick from it, cuz i can't stop paying attention to it, when the rest of the fucking song is so good.

ugh.

I can't find the mid-80's R&B thread.

Here's Evelyn Champagne King's "Betcha She Don't Love You". I love this song. It's been far, far too long since I've heard this kind of music, like months or something!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP9268lMQuM

o_O bimble v. saxby

I don't really think AIDS was a good thing.

However I do think "Somebody Else's Guy" isn't all that great either.

"i told you twice - i was only trying to be nice, only trying to be nice"

^^^such a great lyric

high priority holding up awesomely well. it's like a little music box: pink, perfect and glittery.

what should i get next?

Joyce Sims - Come Into My Life LP or Very Best of collection w/ same title. It's a bit more electro (86 i think) but very good.

http://www.amazon.com/Joyce-Sims/e/B000AQ0KXQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cowp0eP8VOo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zbb4yy2-A4

^^^actually bought that Joyce Sims CD off of Mark (Unrest) Robinson at a yard sale in Somerville, MA a couple years ago...

has this been mentioned : Evelyn "Champagne" King - Love Come Down

more effervescent than Cherrelle's cool, but imho as timeless and classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu5xfnUz7c0

"Everything At Home" is a lovely thing.

"Everything I Miss At Home," rather

affair is an incredible record

Let's go dancing.

good grief, this is a boss record:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G44wgSRFb1k

can never be enough songs about hot guys whose big mouths you wanna kiss

yeah i don't really get the big mouth thing tbh, but i'm right there for those stabs in that chorus - it's like jimmy jam's gone and smashed his bottle of magic potion and he's waving its jagged neck right in your face

there's quite a lot of implied violence in some of jam & lewis's productions for cherrelle imo, some of those basslines sound like they just want to knock your head clean off

drums that sound like they want to crunch straight into your knees

it's almost industrial music in a velvet wrap

made sense that she and Alexander O'Neal worked so well together; they coaxed out of J&L their fiercest productions.

Those real time spazzy drum machine fills...

you look good to me is one of my all time favorite songs for sure