steve hoffman forums, C or D?

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every time I go there I become convinced that everything I listen to must sound like shit (good case in point, the new genesis remaster/remixes, which they hate almost uniformally, but which I thought sounded pretty good). on the other hand, I've learned a lot about mastering and compression there after getting interested in the issue when Nick brought it up in that flaming lips article.

but going there can really dampen your listening experience.

akm, Monday, 28 May 2007 13:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It IS alarming, isn't it? I stumbled onto those forums when looking for more detailed information about James Brown's jumbled back catalog (there are some stellar threads on there regarding this) but I can't read it regularly or I'll be forced to either 1) dump a ton of stuff and wait for a reissue or 2) buy reissues of things that sound fine to me. I choose to do neither by not frequenting that forum much!

It's like going to some of the hi-end audio equipment forums, it'll make you feel like crap for daring to stray from original Edison cylinders. Or tube amps. Or separates. Etc.

Mr. Odd, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Useful but a lot of posts to wade through and very heavily classic-rock biased. And it is the 99+ percentile of 'persnickety audiophiles', so keep that in mind as you read -- those of us mortals with standard-issue audio gear probably won't be able to tell the difference between remaster A and remaster B.

Jeff Wright, Monday, 28 May 2007 14:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

West German pressings? Dud

Beggar On A Beach Of Shite. (PaulTMA), Saturday, 9 April 2011 02:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

I still kind of like that forum but man are they quick to remove posts that question the integrity of the host. Apparently several years ago he auctioned off CDRs of masters he did of All Things Must Pass among other things; those are all over the internet these days. I've asked about this once or twice and my questions vanish within seconds. Hunting around on the internet turned up more info about it.

akm, Monday, 6 January 2014 22:24 (four years ago) Permalink

Maybe C for the occasional educational discussion about different editions, but ultimately a D for the thin skinned moderating crew. That ultimately taints most of the major debates because posters aren't allowed to criticize anything Hoffman was involved in - and he has a sizeable discography that includes some of the most sought-after and expensive pressings out there.

skip, Monday, 6 January 2014 22:31 (four years ago) Permalink

that said I really do like the masters of things he has done, particularly the mccartney albums.

akm, Monday, 6 January 2014 22:36 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

that picture is very...
ago

PaulTMA, Saturday, 27 June 2015 14:56 (three years ago) Permalink

I've decided to live my life without lanyards.

that's why god destroyed the radio (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 27 June 2015 20:02 (three years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Keith Jarrett's moaning is annoying. (IMHO)

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Brian Cruz, Mar 14, 2005.

Keith Jarrett - Vocalizations, annoying or just part of his genius?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by billybob79, Aug 10, 2010.

Keith Jarrett - Vocalization, good or bad?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by mds, Apr 3, 2015.

http://i.imgur.com/xpS3kt0.png

stoomcursus rockisme (unregistered), Friday, 24 July 2015 00:15 (three years ago) Permalink

crosspost to audiophile snake oil thread
http://www.shakti-innovations.com/images/Hoffman-pic-1.jpg
RENOWNED MASTERING ENGINEER STEVE HOFFMAN ENDORSING THE HALLOGRAPH AT CES 2003
http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm

brimstead, Friday, 24 July 2015 06:43 (three years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Bands enjoyed by smart people

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Andersoncouncil, Yesterday at 10:35 PM.

The Rush thread got me thinking...There are certain bands that appeal to more educated, smart audiences. Rush is certainly one of them, but I'd also like to throw out a "dark horse" band. People seem to think of the Grateful Dead as a band liked by head in the cloud stoners, but in reality their fanbase I have come across is very intelligent. Most deadheads I have met have masters degrees and high-paying jobs. I work in academis, and know many haeds and former deadheads in high positions.Maybe they spent many years on the bus following them, but the great irony is that they seem to have done well for themselves. Feel free to discuss this point or ad any other bands for the intelligentsia.

stoomcursus rockisme (unregistered), Saturday, 15 August 2015 01:08 (three years ago) Permalink

Oh, for fucks sake...

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 15 August 2015 01:12 (three years ago) Permalink

My favorite thing about those forums, and I have many favorite things, is that sometimes people put their names in their signatures, then sign their posts in addition to that. Those particular forums automatically "sign" the poster's name to his/her posts right beside the timestamp. So along with the name in their actual avatar, there's the possibility of seeing a poster's name four times with every post. Like those bands with eponymous albums who also have eponymous songs on those albums. But +1.

Devilock, Saturday, 15 August 2015 01:27 (three years ago) Permalink

Or like I just used the word "post" or "poster" five times.

Devilock, Saturday, 15 August 2015 01:30 (three years ago) Permalink

For Hoffman haters. . .

http://stereocentral.tv/phpbb/index.php

Jeff Wright, Saturday, 15 August 2015 03:12 (three years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/please-try-and-refrain-from-commenting-on-sound-quality-unless-you-have-your-gear-listed-in-profile.489114/

http://i.imgur.com/IwSlwTq.jpg

The two posts above by two new members shouldn't really be acceptable here. I've picked them at random but this is epidemic here at the SH Forums. I thought I better post this reminder about filling out your equipment profile.

We don't know what you are listening on unless you list your gear under "information" in your profile. Why does this matter? This is why. Something sounds "freakin' fantastic" and I'm going to listen to you and trust you and spend 40 bucks on it? I just have your word for it. What are you listening on? Unless I know that, how can I possibly judge if what you are saying holds any kind of water at all? A gear list doesn't solve it all (you could have a $100,000.00 system and be deaf as a post) but it's not fair to others when one comments on sound quality without giving us a clue as to what the music is being played on.

Please fill out your gear profiles or resist reviewing sound quality here. I don't care what kind of stereo you have, how much it costs, doesn't matter to me. I had a midprice system for years that I loved but if I'm listening on that to tell you what sounds fantastic or not, you have a right to know this and make allowances because my midprice system isn't telling me the full truth about sound quality so I can't tell you the truth about it.

Our readers here deserve to have this at our disposal and take it into account if your review is going to make pronouncements on sound quality. We need to take this important information into consideration.

There are about 30-40 members here who's ears I trust. Some of them have great systems but not all: At least half of them have stereo systems consisting of 1975 college dorm room level or even lower but I still trust their sound reviews. That being said, until you get to know if a person has your taste in sound quality, gear profiles are all we have to go on. The first step only, but it's an important one.

Thanks.

Not a rule, just a request. But if the moderators catch anything like the above posts, they will remove them at their discretion.

Now let the bitchfest begin.

small doug yule carnival club (unregistered), Thursday, 31 December 2015 04:03 (two years ago) Permalink

C'mon guys, get 'em out and slap 'em on the table.

stupid children forever (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 31 December 2015 21:41 (two years ago) Permalink

this website makes me want to record on and listen to all recorded music on a 20 year old microcassette recorder with a built-in speaker that clips easily

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 31 December 2015 21:58 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm totally cool with that post, put up or shut up if you're gonna run with the big dogs at the hoff'

lute bro (brimstead), Thursday, 31 December 2015 22:04 (two years ago) Permalink

T-shirt idea: Big Dog with sunglasses giving a thumbs up while smirking, caption "The only MacIntosh I use is my tube amp"

Also possibly the dog has a guitar

stupid children forever (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 31 December 2015 22:44 (two years ago) Permalink

And one hand with a repetitive stress injury

lute bro (brimstead), Thursday, 31 December 2015 22:57 (two years ago) Permalink

arm, paw, whatever. Bad joke.

lute bro (brimstead), Thursday, 31 December 2015 22:57 (two years ago) Permalink

Naw that's perfect. And the dog's shirt says OLD DOGS RULE

stupid children forever (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 1 January 2016 01:19 (two years ago) Permalink

spelling is different

Sorkinspeak coaxed out Oscar begging near the tabs of Link Wray (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 1 January 2016 01:25 (two years ago) Permalink

Best part of that thread is the "positive" follow ups from the Hoff making him look even more of a prick

Master of Treacle, Friday, 1 January 2016 01:58 (two years ago) Permalink

Thread appears to have been deleted. Been spending a bunch of time on the Hoff forums recently & have been largely enjoying it - sometimes genuinely & sometimes in a "lookit the audiophile loonies" kinda way. They have pointed me to a nice reissue of Muswell Hillbillies (which I otherwise woulda ignored as I - ignorantly, I guess - tend to assume anything associated with Record Store Day is cash-grab crapola). But I gotta also check the tendencies; was listening to some stuff my daughter likes & found myself thinking "the engineering on this is terrible!" to which my sensible side said "if your dad had commented on the engineering on a Hüsker Dü record, wouldn't he have been missing the point just like you are now?" So.

hardcore dilettante, Thursday, 7 January 2016 04:15 (two years ago) Permalink

above link still works for me

schlep and back trio (anagram), Thursday, 7 January 2016 09:14 (two years ago) Permalink

Maybe they made it members-only? I strictly lurk there. I do remember seeing that thread a while back, tho.

hardcore dilettante, Thursday, 7 January 2016 12:54 (two years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah I think I have to be signed in to view it.

schlep and back trio (anagram), Thursday, 7 January 2016 13:10 (two years ago) Permalink

It seems audiocrazy at a glance, but there totally is a point; it's a forum about sound quality and sound quality definitely varies with equipment, so yeah, I'm with brimstead. Run with the big dogs, waggle your gear about.

But I've also often wondered about a similar approach for mainstream record reviews: sure, over time you can get to 'know' a reviewer's tastes and character to an extent by reading their reviews, but I've rarely, if ever, seen anyone talk in a record review about how they use a record, when they play it, what it's for, at least outside of specialist reviews of dance music. Which would be OK if we were judging / evaluating (and buying / using) music on a purely abstracted, aesthetic level, but we're not; we're fitting music into our lives, using it for all sorts of different purposes.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 7 January 2016 14:04 (two years ago) Permalink

I'm totally cool with that post, put up or shut up if you're gonna run with the big dogs at the hoff'

― lute bro (brimstead), Thursday, 31 December 2015 22:04 (1 week ago) Permalink

so good

it's a ridiculous board but it is helpful especially when sorting through all the vinyl reissues these days some of which are expensive and not that great, so when you hear universal praise there for, say the Dylan Mono vinyl box that does actually mean something to me...though man I though the Beatles vinyl reissues were gonna tear that place apart, I still don't know what to think.

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2016 14:29 (two years ago) Permalink

Sound quality totally isn't an issue for me. I long ago mothballed my vinyl, CDs, turntable and CD player. The only way I listen to music now is v0 mp3s on an iPod through £100 headphones, and it all sounds great to me. My enjoyment of music is unaffected by sub-optimal sound quality.

schlep and back trio (anagram), Thursday, 7 January 2016 15:43 (two years ago) Permalink

can't run w/the big dogs
get off the porch

Amira, Queen of Creativity (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 January 2016 16:23 (two years ago) Permalink

It's a worthwhile resource for information about vinyl (or CD) pressing quality. I often find myself googling "steve hoffman + [X reissue]" when browsing stuff online or at the local record. shop. It is what it is and nothing else. Some of the language around how records sound is completely hilarious and over the top though, no doubt about that.

Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Thursday, 7 January 2016 23:19 (two years ago) Permalink

there's a better video than this, but it's well hidden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnAgxUFKaxM

PaulTMA, Friday, 8 January 2016 01:29 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Looks like someone's touched a nerve over at the retirement home...

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/an-oldies-forum.665037/

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 16 April 2017 19:10 (one year ago) Permalink

this post p much sums it up

Music had a serious impact back in the day, it meant something to people and to the world!

Songs Like ...
Everyday people
Imagine
Say It Loud I'm Black And I'm Proud
What's Going On
Ball Of Confusion

These are just a very few of the type music made back in the day, music meant more!

Also back in the day, you had to have talent, you had to know your instrument, for the most part you had to really be able to sing.

The music scene was way way way better, as far as the acts and the music!

niels, Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:04 (one year ago) Permalink

How about this one?

As a high school teacher, I can share with you without a shadow of a doubt, that most youngsters don't care about those old school acts!

notice, I did not say all, but most ... there's absolutely no doubt about it!

I've done it, I've asked them about old school acts and most of them have never even heard of them. Acts that most of us would instantly know, they haven't a clue.

For example...
Bad Company
Foghat
Grand Funk
Sly And The Family Stone
Rare Earth
Edgar Winter

Most of my students, have never even heard of these acts? Now when I let them hear a song or two, some of them may say yeah I've heard that song but I never knew who it was.

This is one of the reasons I started exposing them to Paul McCartney. I just felt they should know who the greatest songwriter is!

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:18 (one year ago) Permalink

Fish meet ILX barrel

stet, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:20 (one year ago) Permalink

haha... this one's great as well:

I've done it, I've asked them about old school acts and most of them have never even heard of them. Acts that most of us would instantly know, they haven't a clue.

For example...
Bad Company
Foghat
Grand Funk
Sly And The Family Stone
Rare Earth
Edgar Winter

Most of my students, have never even heard of these acts? Now when I let them hear a song or two, some of them may say yeah I've heard that song but I never knew who it was.

This is one of the reasons I started exposing them to Paul McCartney. I just felt they should know who the greatest songwriter is!

maccafan, Today at 2:46 PM

niels, Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:27 (one year ago) Permalink

Hehehehe... posted that one above, niels... the image of some teacher internally flipping out because his students don't know who Rare Earth are in 2017 is utterly priceless.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:32 (one year ago) Permalink

haha lol I see! but yeah, great stuff

niels, Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:34 (one year ago) Permalink

It's like a Room Full of Lefsetz

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:34 (one year ago) Permalink

BrunoKirbySpinalTap.jpg

stet, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:38 (one year ago) Permalink

classic and dud... I got banned pretty quick for linking an article that denigrated the forum/Hoffman etc. On the surface, it feels like MOJO magazine BBS, with a bunch of curmudgeonly middle-aged men flossing their tech "knowledge," more concern for audio quality, x pressing of Sea Change, etc. than actual music. But it goes beyond that, there's some decent, in-depth Grateful Dead discussion, general classical and jazz talk etc. - it's useful to an extent. Judging by some posts, it's as if some people regard the site as some holy grail of music and -related information. Maybe it's just a generally less 'hip' demographic than ILX, I don't know.

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:39 (one year ago) Permalink

I like all the same music as those dudes, but I don't want to talk about it with them. Perhaps out of fear that I secretly am one of them. They are definitely a valuable resource if/when I'm deciding which reissue of an album I should buy, though. (That's where I heard about the Japanese super deluxe expanded edition of Santana's Lotus which will shortly be on its way to me.)

Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:42 (one year ago) Permalink

it's probably a really good place to learn more about foghat

Karl Malone, Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:50 (one year ago) Permalink

there are people on those boards with good taste, they're just hidden by the rest

akm, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 17:40 (one year ago) Permalink

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/t/search-dog-illustration-logo-67627852.jpg

I used to frequent the ILX site "I Love Music", what horrible a-holes they are over there...this is the best music forum hands down
Post by: sekaer, May 2, 2017 in forum: Music Corner

nomar, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 17:55 (one year ago) Permalink

there's a 200-post thread on Motorpsycho, them boards ain't all bad

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 17:58 (one year ago) Permalink

it's a good source for vinyl pressing info and for which reissue labels to avoid.

nomar, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 17:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Does anyone ever take the bait and click on this thing called web.musicaficionado.com? Seems like it is going to be totally generic feed but sometimes it turns out to be apparently competent classic rock career overview along with some okay playlists with interesting tracks. /dontknowwheretopostthisso

Merry-Go-Sorry Somehow (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 00:47 (one year ago) Permalink

22 Reasons Not To Forget Spooky Tooth

Ok, I'm sold.

pplains, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 00:53 (one year ago) Permalink

B-b-but how do I keep up with such things since I let my Mojo subscription lapse?

The 2541ders (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 01:02 (one year ago) Permalink

can't help wondering what an ILM equivalent of Stereo Central would be like

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 11:16 (one year ago) Permalink

At record club we pretty much talk like a chunk of ILM text used as a script. Dick jokes included.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 12:56 (one year ago) Permalink

HER "Ok, if you say so.

savage

I'm suspecting that even "the singer has a sexy voice" was a bit of a jab. Guy is obv wrong to generalize about women, partly for the reason that Turrican gives, but he mostly just seems like someone who genuinely has a hard time relating/connecting, based on that post.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:16 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah, Sundr4/Turrican OTM here

Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:30 (one year ago) Permalink

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/lesson-learned-dont-try-to-set-an-older-person-straight-on-music.698823/

I'm 52. I'm a music dork, like 85% of us here on this forum. Music history is important to me, and I enjoy discussing it with people.

I was shopping at Trader Joe's today. While standing around at the sample table, "Do You Want To Dance" by Bobby Freeman came on the store music player. An older woman -I'd say in her 70s- was chatting to the server and said "Do you know who this is?". Me being All-Knowing, said "Yup! Bobby Freeman!". She said no, that it was Ritchie Valens. I gently said, well he may have recorded it, but Bobby Freeman did the hit version we are hearing. She told me no- it's Ritchie Valens. It's on his album. It was a hit. I said, that might be, but we are hearing Bobby Freeman.

Then another patron got out his phone and pointed out it was actually Bobby Freeman. She refused to budge. "I was alive at the time. I was there. I remember his plane crash at the high school". I pointed out that yes it's a shame we lost 2 bright stars- Valens and Buddy Holly. She said no- he died in a crash by a high school. "I was alive at the time".
I sighed and said I definitely was not there, and I didn't know about the other plane crash. Knowingly smiled at the guy with the cell phone and went on my way.

Tuesday at 3:56 PM

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more Allegro-like (Turrican), Thursday, 28 September 2017 06:13 (one year ago) Permalink

It's good for people on the spectrum to have a safe place for discussions away from you jackals.

Seriously though, they have a good reggae thread with input from people around the world who run some reissue labels.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 28 September 2017 13:05 (one year ago) Permalink

I thought THIS was the safe place!

pplains, Thursday, 28 September 2017 13:22 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...

I still don't understand why audiophilia isn't listed in the DSM-V

https://i.imgur.com/F6fAP3g.png

how to diss a peer completely (unregistered), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:34 (nine months ago) Permalink

https://i.imgur.com/1Rameyd.png

"semen stains the mountain tops"

how to diss a peer completely (unregistered), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:38 (nine months ago) Permalink

haha

Google Atheist (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:07 (nine months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

New Paul McCartney album "Egypt Station" coming September 7, 2018

Replies: 19278

Views: 954,267

omar little, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 20:25 (four months ago) Permalink

i was actually curious which remaster of soft machine third sounded best and it got to like page three or four of the steve hoffman thread before everyone in it realized the album was poorly recorded and so there's no clear or ideal master of it

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 20:42 (four months ago) Permalink

it was sorta like the whole board was summarized v neatly for me there, people arrogantly throwing around a lot of knowledge presumably gleaned from very intense, detail-oriented listening, which turns out to be largely meaningless and inapplicable

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 20:44 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah but they are helpful about a lot of others, it can be handy!

...it's definitely not the place to find a quick recommendation for replacement lp jackets/sleeves etc. now THAT is a totally obnoxious and unhelpful stevehoffman rabbit hole

brimstead, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 20:56 (four months ago) Permalink

oh i don't mean to suggest they aren't occasionally helpful, especially with finding good unremixed copies of catalogues that have been remastered and remixed (cf. genesis)

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 21:03 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm still looking forward to Egypt Station!

timellison, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 23:19 (four months ago) Permalink

Me too - particularly since, at this point, each McCartney album increasingly looks as if it may be his last. I didn't rate New as highly as Chaos and Creation... or Memory Almost Full, but there was enough on there for me to enjoy.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 8 August 2018 19:29 (four months ago) Permalink

I've gotten some great stereo system advice on there fwiw.

nerve_pylon, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 19:45 (four months ago) Permalink

TBF the title of that thread changed once it was clear what the name of the album would be; that thread has been running for a few years ever since the sessions were first rumored to be happening.

akm, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 22:42 (four months ago) Permalink

also, finally, the massive proliferation of beatles threads has dampened my interest in that forum. I dealt with it for years but at this point it just seems to be trodding over old ground every day

akm, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 22:42 (four months ago) Permalink

on the other hand

Daft Punk's Random Access Memories
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frogbs, Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:20 (four months ago) Permalink

i was actually curious which remaster of soft machine third sounded best and it got to like page three or four of the steve hoffman thread before everyone in it realized the album was poorly recorded and so there's no clear or ideal master of it

― princess of hell (BradNelson)

surprised it took that long, yeah the whole album is legendarily awful sounding. i don't know what the hell they did to those tapes to get them to sound so bad.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 August 2018 13:26 (four months ago) Permalink

also I think the answer to that question is that the latest remaster/reissue sounds the best. not sure what they did to it but it doesn't sound good, but sounds better than the cd I used to have

akm, Thursday, 9 August 2018 14:13 (four months ago) Permalink

Which version of The Fall’s “Dragnet” sounds the best?

empire bro-lesque (morrisp), Thursday, 9 August 2018 14:20 (four months ago) Permalink

also, finally, the massive proliferation of beatles threads has dampened my interest in that forum.

I'm familiar with this feeling

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 August 2018 14:22 (four months ago) Permalink

xpost

all of them :)

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 August 2018 14:23 (four months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Hoffman's response to the Peter Shelley RIP thread is jaw-droppingly cuntish and continues to sink to newer lows several pages in
detailed breakdown of the misery starts at the bottom of this page:
http://stereocentral.freeforums.net/thread/3/rip?page=37

PaulTMA, Monday, 10 December 2018 12:27 (six days ago) Permalink

i think that he's being misinterpreted. I looked @ that thread the morning after PS passed and at that time it appeared that the OP didn't put Buzzcocks in the thread title. so (in a dickish way) i think he was just trying to make that person clarify who died since i think there's a poet w/the same name

form that slug-like grex (outdoor_miner), Monday, 10 December 2018 12:40 (six days ago) Permalink

tbf, he is (being) a grumpy sod.

Mark G, Monday, 10 December 2018 13:02 (six days ago) Permalink

"think he was just trying to make that person clarify who died since i think there's a poet w/the same name"

Percy Shelley died in 1822

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:00 (six days ago) Permalink

He's only just heard though.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:09 (six days ago) Permalink

Hoffman's posts are so awful in that thread, his is the first reply with simply "Who is he?", which is hard to find an angle where it can't be read disrespectfully. He spends the next few pages raging on about the importance of titling a thread properly, before realising that Pete Shelley was actually an important and much-loved figure, prompting him to pull out "I knew him in the 80s and tried to help him out financially" six pages in, seemingly out of nowhere

PaulTMA, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:44 (six days ago) Permalink

the guy has some serious ego issues

akm, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:22 (six days ago) Permalink

I found it useful for trivia. For example there's a thread about albums released on DAT - the only one I knew was Substance, the New Order compilation, but there are others. Such as Kylie Minogue's first album(!):
https://www.discogs.com/Kylie-Minogue-Kylie/release/8856256

DAT was a digital tape format from 1988 or so that recorded at 48khz. Never took off commercially but was popular in the broadcasting world in the years before burning a CDr was practical. Worthless now. Replaced in the studio by ADAT, which used VHS tapes, which was then replaced by hard disc recording and software instruments.

What else did I learn from Steve Hoffman's forums? Early Blue Note records have a deep groove in the label. Some records were made out of styrene, which was more easily damaged than vinyl. Early versions of the bezel had a dot over the ninety. The Japanese PlayStation had a slightly smaller controller. Columbia was slightly heavier than the later shuttles because it was originally designed to carry a liquid fuelled rocket in the cargo bay. Between Egypt and Sudan there's an 800-square-mild chunk of land called Bir Tawil that is unclaimed by either country because when the maps were drawn up the lines didn't match. I'm digressing here. Some of those things I learned elsewhere.

As with discogs.com my impression of the participants is that their musical taste is awful - it's always jazz/blues-rock, never Autechre - but ultimately it's not a music forum, it's a music technology forum, just as discogs is an eBay seller forum. After a while I felt like screaming "you're an old man; your hearing is shot; it's a physical inevitability; you've wasted a fortune on audio gear that you can't hear properly; no, you can't run faster than a young man; you're full of shit" but I doubt they would have heard me on account of the hearing loss.

Conversely IlXor *does* have a wealth of musical knowledge but as with the pre-Kinja AV Club the frustrating thing is that it's hard to write about music so discussions tend to drift off into space. I hate it when discussions move from the topic, which in this case is ejection seats, because some early jet fighters had downwards-firing ejection seats. One moment you're debating whether it's a good idea to put decorations on the *other* side of the Christmas tree - the one that faces the wall - and the next moment you're left wondering if the Austin Allegro could have been a better car with a hatchback and a subtle redesign. Battlecruisers, yay or nay?

To this day I have no idea who Steve Hoffman is, or was. I have a mental image of one of those anonymous studio people from Los Angeles who proudly lists his work with Mr Mister, Toto, and Heart; the kind of person whose website has a photo of him standing next to music legend Bill Bottrell. *The* Bill Bottrell! Oh yes, him. The musical world's equivalent of a professional grouter.

Ashley Pomeroy, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:58 (six days ago) Permalink

great post. the pedantic nerd in me kinda loves this stuff: hearing the small differences between this pressing and that one, getting into all the incidental technical details, etc etc

Hoffman himself seems pretty awful

they actually do have a small contingent of Autechre fans, by the way :)

frogbs, Monday, 10 December 2018 22:05 (six days ago) Permalink

Discogs has a large Autechre contingent as it started out as an electronic music database. Also as a participant there I can say that musical taste is as varied as can possibly be and it's still at least as much about nerdery and collecting as selling.

The First (Noel Emits), Monday, 10 December 2018 22:18 (six days ago) Permalink

yeah, there's a lot of Autechre talk on that forum, for one thing

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 10 December 2018 22:21 (six days ago) Permalink

Hoffman (right):
http://www.stevehoffman.info/pic/cc_steve.jpg
TBF he created the best mastering that exists of Highway 61 Revisited and has done a great job on a bunch of other recordings.
but also
https://cdn.head-fi.org/a/3593451.jpg
(endorsing a bizarre piece of wood you stand in your room to make music sound better, I am not joking)

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 10 December 2018 22:49 (six days ago) Permalink

sorry, I forgot the wiggle stick image was already itt

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 10 December 2018 22:50 (six days ago) Permalink

had no idea discogs had a forum

frogbs, Monday, 10 December 2018 22:52 (six days ago) Permalink

In the second pic, which one is Hoffman?

mick signals, Monday, 10 December 2018 22:54 (six days ago) Permalink

I ignored it for years. It's mainly abkut the mechanics / politics of the database. There are hundreds, possibly thousands of specialist Group forums on Discogs although many are wastelands. Electronic Music has about 20,000 members, though.

MatthewK - the second photo needs a Hoffman (Left) caption. (haha xp)

The First (Noel Emits), Monday, 10 December 2018 22:57 (six days ago) Permalink

lol

What Do I Blecch? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 00:56 (five days ago) Permalink


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