Underworld - Classic or Dud?

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I've always been under the impression that, a few slammin' singles aside, Underworld was the epitome of style over substance. However, hearing "King Of Snake" for the first time and going gaga over their live album is forcing me to reevaluate.

Therefore, I turn to my peers. What say you - is Underworld fab or foul? Beauty or booty? Wonderful or worthless?

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Eh? Style over substance? Weren't you one of the people who heartily recommended _dubnobasswithmyheadman_ to me a month ago? :)

Josh, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Um, yes. This was after spending THREE YEARS trying to get into the damn thing. I now like it a good bit, but I'm not nearly as passionate about that album as I am about many of their singles, such as "Dirty Epic", "Mmm Skyscraper I Love You", "Born Slippy (original)", "Pearl's Girl", "Cups", and "King Of Snake".

I recommmend _dubnobass..._ because that's the best Underworld album and it's a genuinely good album. _Second Toughest..._ isn't nearly as strong and hearing "Push Upstairs" and "Jumbo" put me off of getting _Beaucoup Fish_, which I'll admit might have been a mistake because "King Of Snake" and "Cups" both rank up there among the best songs they've ever done. (But is it another case where the single is stormin' and the album is limpid? I don't know.)

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan, the thing with Underworld is that they have very consistent production and arrangement skills, which means that really you're gonna like each song based on how strong the tune is. Hence the singles seem fab, and everything else comparatively drab.

But "Beaucoup Fish" is worth getting. Both "Push Upstairs" improve the more familiar you are with them - both seem insanely repetitive to begin with, but I found both grew on me enormously once I went walking around the city with them on my headphones. Plus, you're missing out on "Cups" (deep house par excellence), "Bruce Lee" (hip hop meets Detroit techno), "Kittens" (a storming epic), "Something Like A Mama" (jungle-inflected track like "Pearl's Girl" with its tongue in its cheek) and of course "King Of Snake". It's a strong album.

Tim, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I never really had a problem with Underworld being style over substance--more power to people and bands who can pull that off as consistently as they have. So, finding out (via numerous listens and re-evaluations and re-re-evaluations--I'm thinking of "Second Toughest..." here, an album I literally didn't listen to for over a year because it seemed to be such an unworthy follow-up to "Dubnobass...") that "Hey, there might be something more here than just a storming tune or some nice atmospherics" has just been the icing on the cake (or maybe the lovely dense cake hiding under the sweet and pretty batter?). The live album has certainly helped in this assessment, but it has also made me wonder lately why so many folks slag off "Jumbo," which is really a beautiful and (I think) quite emotional song (despite the standard Hyde lyrical meanderings, which I wouldn't have any other way, of course). So many reviews of "Everything Everything" have inexplicably picked on my dear "Jumbo" as the dud track, and I have to wonder if it's because it simply lessens the momentum of the album (albeit briefly) or if I have been hoodwinked into liking a song that might, upon further reflection, just be a cute little toss-off ditty that will eventually fade in comparison to the admitted genius of "Cowgirl" or "...Skyscraper..." Whatever the case, "Jumbo" is what elevated "Beaucoup Fish" from good to great for me, and served more than any other recent track (yes, even more than the overrated "Born Slippy") to reaffirm my belief that Underworld are fab, beauty, and most assuredly wonderful.

Max Jones, Wednesday, 18 October 2000 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Underworld for me have always fallen down due to Karl Hyde's lyrics - back-of-a-fag-packet undergraduate cut-up nonsense which at best just distracts and at worst actively spoils the music, turning it from wide-ranging and danceable into a nasty urban noir mess. And his wannabeatnik delivery nobs me off, too.

Tom, Thursday, 19 October 2000 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I kinda fall between the stools here...there albums are slightly dissapointing (with the exception of Beaucoup Fish)...a fair amount of their output is wank...but stuff like "Rez" and "Jumbo" are those moments when dance music just transcends itself...stunning......probably because Karl Hyde cuts out that annoying gibberish

Michael Bourke, Monday, 4 December 2000 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

*Underworld*? Mmm...yes, well, Josh was kind enough to send it to me but I haven't read the damned thing yet. Well, actually, I read the opening section yclept "The Triumph of Death" when it appeared in Harper's (see, there's Harper's and death again...that's why the mag's so goth), and I liked *White Noise* quite a bit as you all know so I can't imagine any recent Delillo not being any good, you know?

Michael Daddino, Monday, 4 December 2000 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I thought underworld was just crap cause of the lyrics. but man, after hearing Jumbo, i beleive these guys to be masters of the art thaat is music, if not Gods. So much can be said for a single track to cause such revelation. by the way as cryptic as these lyrics are, why do all songs have references to "the city"? am i the only one that's noticed that.

Keyur Patel, Saturday, 23 December 2000 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Because they are like so urban and hip.

Josh, Saturday, 23 December 2000 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Underworld, very tricky proposition. When they're good they are well amazing (Rez, Skyscraper, Cups, Juanita), and it doesn't depend on the vocals/no-vocals division of tracks, see for instance Cups which has lovely vocals. The long-players have all been patchy, usually the first 3 or 4 tracks are storming and then anything can happen. The 2nd half of Dubnobass...has some great stuff (Dirty Epic, Cowgirl), Secondthoughts never recovers and Beacoup Fish has Kittens, which is...is...the sound of taking lots of drugs and feeling very expansive :) So between classic and dud, leaning on the classic side.

o.munoz, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

After "Rez" I could just about forgive them anything.

Stevo, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Kittens". I heard a RealAudio excerpt of this when _BF_ came out and was suitably staggered. I was all set to run to the store to buy the album when I heard "Push Upstairs"... ew. (I've since grown used to that song, but I don't see anything overly special about it.)

Dan Perry, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Underworld have never struck me as self-consciously hip. When I listen to their music, I hear genuine angst, not posturing. Of course, if you don't *like* angst...

Snow Dog, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, okay. Having had an opportunity to at least listen to the first half of _Beaucoup Fish_, I'm somewhat staggered by how much I actually LIKE it! Granted, it's all stuff I've heard before, but if the rest of the album holds up, I'm going to have to temper many of the negative things I've said about them.

Dan Perry, Friday, 19 January 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

So, after that initial euphoric burst, I've come down somewhat on encountering "Winjer", although I note that as far as vaguely-ambient Underworld nonsense goes, it's pretty damn cool. So, we're still in the plus column...

Dan Perry, Friday, 19 January 2001 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
It's obvious none of you were there in their 80s days, nor early 90s. Unfortunately, there are a lot of new fans of theirs with the release of BF, many of which don't understand them. You need to listen to an album fully (especially the 2 earlier ones), and repeatedly, and definitely see them live a couple of times. I find Karl's lyrics to be soothing oftentimes, and can sit around interpreting them for hours (even though they are, self admittedly, nonsense). There are other commercialized techno bands/groups/DJs where the lyrics distract a LOT more (Fatboy Slim? Daft Punk?) - and many are more repetitive than much of U/w's stuff. If you're listening to them to find dance music, find something else. Much of their stuff has been, and still is, ambient & moody, with the occasional club anthem strewn in. I find them a unique and rare band (well 2 of them, now), one which actually tries to innovate & mix their own stuff (look actual guitars).

Admittedly, I am biased (met them live several times) and I am more of an ambient/idm fan (ala FSOL & AFX) & some trance (Juno Reactor), and have been for over a decade, so there's your caveat and explanation of my fangirl-ishness.

UW_fangirl, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

They're great live and they're great to dance to when you're off your nuts. What more do you want?

Dirty Dirty Dirty Dirty Vicar, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

LAGER LAGER LAGER LAGER LAGER LAGER....etc.

I could listen to that all day. Or at least for about 4 minutes, when I'd get really irritated and want to bust up something. Still.

For the most part I find Underworld a bit boring but I still have their CDs because I like some of the songs. They're really not a classic or a dud, to be honest. They're more an existance.

Ally, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
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rhamnose, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Underworld for me have always fallen down due to Karl Hyde's lyrics - back-of-a-fag-packet undergraduate cut-up nonsense which at best just distracts and at worst actively spoils the music, turning it from wide-ranging and danceable into a nasty urban noir mess. And his wannabeatnik delivery nobs me off, too.

Strange - that's what initially attracted me to Underworld; and was the first step I took towards electronic/dance music - I hadn't heard any interesting throwaway cutup soundbytes-strung-together fractured- narrative stuff before, and the music seemed to be the perfect accompaniment to this - I couldn't imagine Karl Hyde-isms succeeding over a guitar backdrop etc. And as someone a very long way away indeed from Underworld's BritCity; it seemed oh so very exotic&mysterious&sexy. Inauthenticity of musical tourism, and all that guff; but Underworld were something I could be palpably excited by; and a doorway to a whole new world of music, apologies for RAGING CLICHES.

Ess Kay, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one of the things I like about Underworld is the different moods on the albums. Cowgirl vs. Tongue. Pearls girl vs. Blueski. they do both the rock-out and the chill out pretty well

Ron, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic, classic and more classic. As classic as they get. Once in a while I feel compelled to go back and play everything I have by them: all the albums, seven bootlegs, ten singles. I sometimes have to dig out their remixes too. There's nobody else where I do this.

And I love Karl Hyde's lyrics.

Martin Skidmore, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

curiously enoght it was through underworld that i found this site. i frequently post on the foums at [url]http://www.dirty.org[/url] and fellow poster [b]girlthursday[/b] (minna) posted a link to this site.

i like all of their albums but [i]dubnobass..[/i] is defintely my favourite. i love the fact that the albums contain pure dance floor killers next to more downtempo tracks like [i]dirty epic[/i] and [i] m.e[/i]

they are also jaw-droppingly fantastic live - i've seen them seven times - and they were really the pioneers of taking dance music into the live arena and in so doing paved the way for bands like [b] orbital, chemical brothers[/b] and [/b]the prodigy[/b] to follow in their footsteps.

there's plenty of their live gigs available on audiogalaxy including the superb european club gig. fans should also check out [url] http://www.underworldlive.com[/url] which is an official site where you can download soundboard recordings of some of their gigs as well as some recent studio stuff such as the blue mountain sessions.

matt, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

NOONE HAS MENTIONED "DARK AND LONG", NOONE. Well maybe someone, but it's a classic too.

Ronan, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

does anyone else hear the chords to Brian & Roger Eno's "Always Returning" in "Born Slippy"?
since "Deep Blue Day" (also from Apollo) was in the movie, is this a connection/(not so)hidden-reference?

Paul, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
'luetin' was playing on the radio as i drove home, and afterwards the dj said "Hardcore electronica from Underworld!" which i thought was funny

ron (ron), Friday, 20 September 2002 00:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Has anyone listened to "Tiny Clicks" and "Headset", the two "vaguely-ambient Underworld nonsense" (as Dan puts it) b-sides on the "Two Months Off" single? Both excellent - "Headsets" in particular is pretty fabulous - and they'd be about the first time I've really warmed to Underworld's non-dancefloor biznizz. Will have to think about getting "A Hundred Days Off" now.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 September 2002 03:26 (seventeen years ago) link

The hilarious thing is that "Winjer" is now one of my favorite songs off of _Beaucoup Fish_!

Those two tracks are great. I think I need to live with them a little more before they really sink in, but so far they're much better than, say, the ambient tracks on the "Pearl's Girl" single. (None of them can touch "Tongue", though.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 September 2002 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link

CLASSIC of course, Karl's lyrics and delivery an' all but again i urge you to seek out Underworld's early material if you like a larf...'change the weather', 'underneath the radar' esp. - i can almost see them supporting Talk Talk with It Bites on tour in 1987 hahahaha

blueski, Friday, 20 September 2002 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Ronan, Dark & Long dropped into their live sets gets me going.

Alan (Alan), Friday, 20 September 2002 12:22 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe we should do a Taking Sides - 'Dark & Long' vs 'Dark & Long (Dark Train)'

blueski, Friday, 20 September 2002 15:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"Dark & Long" any day. That bass line is to DIE FOR.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 September 2002 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmmmm they played Dark Train last time and it was pretty amazing.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 September 2002 09:51 (seventeen years ago) link

they never played Dark Train or Dark & Long the times i saw them - bastads

blueski, Saturday, 21 September 2002 13:05 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
can anybody give me an explanation over the song born slippy? Tell me what is behind the lyrics... thnx

bart, Saturday, 18 January 2003 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Born Slippy is about placentas.

now, on to my ancedote, which is about how the promo vinyl we got for 'King of Snake' was a 12" and os I put it on at 33 and it was SUPER FUNKY like WOW until Karl's vox came in and it sounded like he was a dying robot from planet Opium. So I put it on 45 and it turned into house music, which while quite good was not nearly as enjoyable as the 33 version.

Tom Millar (Millar), Saturday, 18 January 2003 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Dubnobasswithmyheadman- is tHe bEST underworld album. Fav track: Dirty Epic. anyone that don't like that song's gotta be heartless.

whoever (whoever), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 07:26 (sixteen years ago) link

My fav one is Beaucoup Fish. Jumbo sounds more like Wire than Elastica ever did.

echo...

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 09:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought "Spoonman" off "Dubnobass..." was flippin' ace!!! No one I know seems to like it!!!!! Mind you, I like repetitive techno bollox!!!!!!

I also went to one of the concerts (Broadcast on Radio 1!!!!!) at around the time of "Dubnobass...", (The same night as they found the body of Kurt Cobain!!!!) and it was grebt/GRATE/etc!!!!! Unlike the recent "live" album, it was one big long DJ mix style jam, mixing in various bits of their songs. The track on the live album which mixes "Cowgirl" and "Rez" is nearest equivalent- imagine a whole concert like that with most of the tracks from "Dubnobass..." and an early version "Born Slippy"!!!! (I've actually got a tape of it somewhere, taped of the radio...)

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 10:27 (sixteen years ago) link

OMG! I did the same 33-45 mistake with the "Kittens" promo, with the same effect: the slow version easily trumped the "right" version.

Anyways, Underworld is still classic because did I mention that "Tin There" is basically my favorite techno barnburner ever?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:27 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't care how much everybody hates it, I think "Underneath the Radar" is a fucking GREAT 80s pop song.

The kickass house/blues romp "Big Mouth" (with some guy named Philadelphia Slim whom I've never heard of on harmonica!!) is another awesome underrated early Underworld song. Underworld kicks ass.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:32 (sixteen years ago) link

total classic. however, i was one of those american kids who was rather impressionable when trainspotting came out and when record labels were trying to push 'electronica' down everyone's throats.. but stuff like dubnobassman, second toughest and the pearl's girl maxi single kept me around for good. second toughest is one of the albums ive played more consistantly than anything else over the last 5-6 years.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link

www.freakytrigger.co.uk/underworld.html


(I'm sorry I won't pimp out that article ever again, this is the millionth time, prob haven't written anything decent for free since, it was 18 months ago)

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Classic. They're one of the only bands my brother ever turned me on to. Second Toughest, I have to agree, is killer.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 January 2004 06:56 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...
I am listening to _Beaucoup Fish_ right now and realizing that the only song on it that I dislike is "Bruce Lee".

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link

the thread about electronic music that moves you reminded me of this band.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link

DUD ^

24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link

i love Bruce Lee, where does that female monologue come from?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Hyde's lyrics are starting to annoy me more here and there these days, particularly on Luetin tho that is a fantastic track (a classic case of a track you are just casually listening to, a few minutes pass and then you just hit a moment and realise where you are who you are what's going on etc.)

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Starting to seriously consider pre-ordering the box set.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 28 June 2019 14:27 (eleven months ago) link

not a lot of tracks there... but anyway u think you saw on the forum where someone was making the point that they haven't had a song in this specific tempo,before,maybe? It was confusing. Underworld: not always slow

maffew12, Friday, 28 June 2019 14:28 (eleven months ago) link

*I think you

I need to stop posting on my phone. scuse me.

maffew12, Friday, 28 June 2019 14:29 (eleven months ago) link

oh yeah..."Scribble" I guess would be the obvious one. can't believe I forgot about it. anyway yeah on the boards it says this tune is 133...so slower than "Push Upstairs"? idk it feels faster. I immediately thought of "Tin There" and "Pearls Girl" b/c it has that same rush to it.

frogbs, Friday, 28 June 2019 14:31 (eleven months ago) link

It didn't strike me as particularly fast

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 28 June 2019 15:53 (eleven months ago) link

I enjoyed rediscovering both of these prime not-Underworld tracks recently and thought you might like to join me.

Realised that the Shakespeare's Sister 'Black Sky (Dub Extravaganza Part 2)' had soundtracked a few splendid dancefloor moments, both back in the day and more recently.

https://youtu.be/nHT-wy2Uudw

Rick Smith remixing Rob Playford and Goldie's 'The Shadow', I guess he's basically overlaying Underworld synths on those beats. Rules pretty hard.

https://youtu.be/9g3y4eMh6Eg

Invisible (Noel Emits), Monday, 8 July 2019 19:09 (ten months ago) link

Also. Hey.

https://youtu.be/NP56homYkjw

Invisible (Noel Emits), Monday, 8 July 2019 20:38 (ten months ago) link

so are all these live & rehearsal things going to be in the big box set or no?

StanM, Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:16 (ten months ago) link

I really doubt it - unless it's tucked away in the data section of the Blu-ray or something (can you even do that? I don't own a single Blu-ray). a bit frustrating, this stuff is great but it's pretty lame that it's all in low bitrates - the "Silver Boots" release sounds better than the ripped-from-radio version, but not by much. kinda silly to complain about a band releasing this much great stuff at once though

frogbs, Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:37 (ten months ago) link

No.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:37 (ten months ago) link

xp

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:38 (ten months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Another Misterons mix today, up on both mixcloud and youtube, with new joints back next week:

The finishing touches are being put on Episode 5, Part 1 as this reaches you. Keep your eyes on your inbox next Thursday for your next serving of DRIFT straight out of Central Mexico…

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 1 August 2019 21:13 (nine months ago) link

that mix (called "Chillin at the Shed") is very much worth a half hour of your time

first context I've ever liked "Push Downstairs" in by the way

frogbs, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 15:10 (nine months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB6G7KgBX24

fuck yes

but everybody calls me, (lukas), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 15:53 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

most of Episode 5 has been less whelming than the previous ones, but today's is 13 mins of gorgeous bleepy jazz noodling, with one of the best videos so far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG74FOPyijY

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 30 August 2019 04:18 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.mixcloud.com/DarrenPrice/darren-price-todd-terje-bs-dubplate/?

groovypanda, Thursday, 10 October 2019 11:28 (seven months ago) link

couple of records arrived yesterday. dubnobass is one I've wanted to own on vinyl for like, 15 years. but before this recent reissue they were not only expensive ($60+) but very difficult to find. same place had Barbara Barbara for $14 so I had to go for it

https://i.imgur.com/yTR0ZzD.png

wanna get the full set but OWB & Barking are OOP and fetch pretty crazy prices on the secondary market

frogbs, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 15:20 (seven months ago) link

Nice! second toughest reissue shouldn't be hard to find? I bought and returned it... record one was the A side twice. That was a new one on me.

maffew12, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 15:53 (seven months ago) link

Barnes & Noble has it for $24 with free shipping so I guess I'll spring for that. its the shipping costs that really kill ya.

fun story behind the BF LP, I bought it off eBay in 2005, it didn't arrive for nearly 2 months and despite being listed as "Never Played" and in "Like New" condition the thing was full of fingerprints and very scratched up - it skips a bunch and "Push Upstairs" gets into a locked groove a minute in (kinda neat, actually). I left the dude negative feedback (something I pretty much never do but this guy deserved it) and he went absolutely berserk on me, sending me a bunch of emails that I won't share here due to an abundance of homophobic language. Amusing enough to nearly make up for the unplayable record. Figured "well, you can always frame it..."

frogbs, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 16:23 (seven months ago) link

eBay's returns situation has since improved :)

maffew12, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 16:25 (seven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Dia de los Muertos makeup for Mexico City gig:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmsXMmZUDTc

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 22:47 (six months ago) link

Quite like this. Bit of a Juanita vibe with Karl's vocoder style vocals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9bW0RpMU7o

groovypanda, Friday, 15 November 2019 12:59 (six months ago) link

i'm guessing they cut Appleshine Continuum on the boxset so they could fit all of the Necks collaborations into one disc but it's still such a shame they did

ufo, Friday, 15 November 2019 13:08 (six months ago) link

meh the full thing is out there. Real question is, is there a longer Altitude Continuum?? lol

some UK people have the box already. There's a download code that apparently includes the in between week things.... but it doesn't yet work,lol. it would be great if the 64kbps mixcloud stuff is there in higher quality

maffew12, Friday, 15 November 2019 13:44 (six months ago) link

oh wow that would be something

haven't given the new mix of Appleshine Continuum much time yet but my impression is they cut off the beginning part, which is basically just all of Appleshine again? this one seems to start where the Necks really take over

easy to swap 'em out on your own playlist but I like the mixing on the new one a lot more - more balanced, not as sharp & piercing

frogbs, Friday, 15 November 2019 14:40 (six months ago) link

wonder if the audio on the Blu-ray got a once over. that would fix that up

maffew12, Friday, 15 November 2019 17:12 (six months ago) link

Underworld turned into a lounge act so gradually that I hardly noticed.

maffew12, Friday, 15 November 2019 20:42 (six months ago) link

Karl was always the singer in Freur [...] but the obvious reason he's not singing there is that he is English

― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, June 18, 2019 7:05 PM (five months ago)

yep:

https://i.imgur.com/ZW2Vupk.jpg

insecurity bear (sic), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 03:15 (six months ago) link

is that from "I Am Dogboy"?

maffew12, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 11:16 (six months ago) link

yep ii!

insecurity bear (sic), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 11:28 (six months ago) link

got the box set too (numbered and signed, even, nice) - download code no worky, confirmed

StanM, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 12:38 (six months ago) link

the fingerprints of Karl's brief solo excursion (plus the albums with Eno) are all over this thing. "Do Breakers Trip" could've easily been on High Life. not to mention the live drumming which I believe UW had never really done before?

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 15:12 (six months ago) link

downloads are live I hear...mixcloud things are included, in hi res even

maffew12, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 18:06 (six months ago) link

and I found the Dogboy book for $25 Canadian, shipped :D

I misremembered that as just being reprints of his web diary. Thanks for paying that shot, sic

maffew12, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 18:08 (six months ago) link

posting*

maffew12, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 18:09 (six months ago) link

The back cover says it is all reprints from his web diary! It’s a mixture of photos, poems, word sketches, little lists of recommended songs that correspond to or resonate with times in his life, and big solid chunks of mostly-chronological memoir. I’m 225/300pp in, and he’s living at Paisley Park as a session musician in 1990, two international record contracts down & a decade into his recording career, ringing with desperation from never feeling like he’s made music he was satisfied with.
(Apart from Doot Doot.)

Something I’d probably read but forgotten: the Underneath The Radar album (which I looooooved as a kid) was recorded live, and touring America they played it in full each night & then handed that on tape to the audience. How many of these survived?!

Something I might have read here but can’t search on Zing: the entire Change The Weather album was fully written & demoed by Rick on his computer; everyone who heard it thought the Rick electronics + Karl’s vocals & gtr version was great & should be released like that, but Karl threw inauthenticity tantrums until Rick replaced himself with musicians playing rock instruments. Let’s hear THAT deluxe reissue!

(Also, despite him feeling he’s failed himself with every different record & tour & phase in ludicrous stage/everyday clobber & change in lineups & band names, he essentially treats the continuity from 1979 as one band that he and Rick are in together. Prior to that the groups are all separate, back to him playing professionally in cover & dance bands through high school. The Screen Gems split after Rick joins then quits. By the time Karl plays his Doot Doot demo before hours at the diner they both work in, Rick & Alfie have a new band they cautiously allow Karl to join if he’ll only make music as experimental & free as this, no more fucken power pop. From there everything is either working with Rick, or other stuff.])

insecurity bear (sic), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 20:51 (six months ago) link

ha. I'll have to go back to those very first albums as I read.

Did he do memoirs on the web? I had the idea the book was just like the "diary" page on underworldlive.com these days.. like a photo of some gum on the ground and a few words from an overhead conversation, lol. Not that I don't enjoy that from time to time.

maffew12, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 21:56 (six months ago) link

I recommend Karl's 4 radio shows for Double J in Australia last month, some pretty funny tangents about music in his life which mostly boil down to listening to music with his dad in the car and really liking spangly clothes

maffew12, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 21:57 (six months ago) link

selections weren't bad either

maffew12, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 21:58 (six months ago) link

Something I might have read here but can’t search on Zing: the entire Change The Weather album was fully written & demoed by Rick on his computer; everyone who heard it thought the Rick electronics + Karl’s vocals & gtr version was great & should be released like that, but Karl threw inauthenticity tantrums until Rick replaced himself with musicians playing rock instruments. Let’s hear THAT deluxe reissue!

lol those two albums are basically Underworld's Kraftwerk 1 & 2

I recall both Freur albums getting re-released on CD but they didn't do anything to improve the quite horrible mastering on Get Us Out Of Here, which is a shame because that is one seriously hooky album

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 22:11 (six months ago) link

An earlier funny thing in that vein: an unnamed New York producer/DJ wanted to remix Shokk The Doctor (b-side of Glory! Glory!, I've just looked up) for clubs. Management and Rick and Alfie all thought this was a great idea, but Karl was so horrified that they might be mistaken for a dance act that he agreed to a meeting with the producer in London and then gave him a lecture about the purity of funk-synth-rock.

(They auditioned for Sire by playing live in a room for Seymour Stein, pressing eject on the tape they'd made of the set, and saying "here's our demo, hope you like it." :D )

those radio shows in full btw - recorded back in June, so there's at least one would-have-been Drift premiere. Four shows themed on the same principles as their WOUW playlists: Balaeric, Groovers, Big Room Bangers and Ambichill, eight and a half hours all up.


Did he do memoirs on the web?

No idea, but on a pure guess + differences in style, I'd figure some of the sub-1-page pieces started on the web as little memory slices, longer chunks were written or expanded for the book.

insecurity bear (sic), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 22:36 (six months ago) link

utter nutter

maffew12, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 22:49 (six months ago) link

realised that 3 of the 4 radio shows are no longer streaming: check Leo on 77

insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 00:38 (six months ago) link

Did he do memoirs on the web? I had the idea the book was just like the "diary" page on underworldlive.com these days.. like a photo of some gum on the ground and a few words from an overhead conversation, lol. Not that I don't enjoy that from time to time.

There are lots of bits like the latter but there's also a fair chunk of memoirs, eg this stretch of entries in August 2013:

https://karlhyde.underworldlive.com/2013/08/17/saturday-17th-august/

groovypanda, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 08:46 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

this is really good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_B-2i_2Hc4&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2_oTdPXbFpJ65rswMVk4Hy9-AXi3E_Y_m1jTe_3dy4FikQjIJbSGKpRuc

I remember hearing JAL To Tokyo was demoed before its release but I never knew it sounded this different

frogbs, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 20:19 (five months ago) link

five months pass...

^ four days left!

Bleeqwot (sic), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:25 (one week ago) link

4 days is not enough time to listen to their discography, I report this from recent personal experience.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:29 (one week ago) link

I'm 17 and have been brought up listening I this music and I wish I lived in the 90s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lt9c4qm_G0

Bleeqwot (sic), Sunday, 24 May 2020 05:13 (six days ago) link

_I'm 17 and have been brought up listening I this music and I wish I lived in the 90s_


📹


Xpost to the Sad YouTube thread.

Boring, Maryland, Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:50 (six days ago) link


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