Underworld - Classic or Dud?

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I've always been under the impression that, a few slammin' singles aside, Underworld was the epitome of style over substance. However, hearing "King Of Snake" for the first time and going gaga over their live album is forcing me to reevaluate.

Therefore, I turn to my peers. What say you - is Underworld fab or foul? Beauty or booty? Wonderful or worthless?

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Eh? Style over substance? Weren't you one of the people who heartily recommended _dubnobasswithmyheadman_ to me a month ago? :)

Josh, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Um, yes. This was after spending THREE YEARS trying to get into the damn thing. I now like it a good bit, but I'm not nearly as passionate about that album as I am about many of their singles, such as "Dirty Epic", "Mmm Skyscraper I Love You", "Born Slippy (original)", "Pearl's Girl", "Cups", and "King Of Snake".

I recommmend _dubnobass..._ because that's the best Underworld album and it's a genuinely good album. _Second Toughest..._ isn't nearly as strong and hearing "Push Upstairs" and "Jumbo" put me off of getting _Beaucoup Fish_, which I'll admit might have been a mistake because "King Of Snake" and "Cups" both rank up there among the best songs they've ever done. (But is it another case where the single is stormin' and the album is limpid? I don't know.)

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Dan, the thing with Underworld is that they have very consistent production and arrangement skills, which means that really you're gonna like each song based on how strong the tune is. Hence the singles seem fab, and everything else comparatively drab.

But "Beaucoup Fish" is worth getting. Both "Push Upstairs" improve the more familiar you are with them - both seem insanely repetitive to begin with, but I found both grew on me enormously once I went walking around the city with them on my headphones. Plus, you're missing out on "Cups" (deep house par excellence), "Bruce Lee" (hip hop meets Detroit techno), "Kittens" (a storming epic), "Something Like A Mama" (jungle-inflected track like "Pearl's Girl" with its tongue in its cheek) and of course "King Of Snake". It's a strong album.

Tim, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

I never really had a problem with Underworld being style over substance--more power to people and bands who can pull that off as consistently as they have. So, finding out (via numerous listens and re-evaluations and re-re-evaluations--I'm thinking of "Second Toughest..." here, an album I literally didn't listen to for over a year because it seemed to be such an unworthy follow-up to "Dubnobass...") that "Hey, there might be something more here than just a storming tune or some nice atmospherics" has just been the icing on the cake (or maybe the lovely dense cake hiding under the sweet and pretty batter?). The live album has certainly helped in this assessment, but it has also made me wonder lately why so many folks slag off "Jumbo," which is really a beautiful and (I think) quite emotional song (despite the standard Hyde lyrical meanderings, which I wouldn't have any other way, of course). So many reviews of "Everything Everything" have inexplicably picked on my dear "Jumbo" as the dud track, and I have to wonder if it's because it simply lessens the momentum of the album (albeit briefly) or if I have been hoodwinked into liking a song that might, upon further reflection, just be a cute little toss-off ditty that will eventually fade in comparison to the admitted genius of "Cowgirl" or "...Skyscraper..." Whatever the case, "Jumbo" is what elevated "Beaucoup Fish" from good to great for me, and served more than any other recent track (yes, even more than the overrated "Born Slippy") to reaffirm my belief that Underworld are fab, beauty, and most assuredly wonderful.

Max Jones, Wednesday, 18 October 2000 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Underworld for me have always fallen down due to Karl Hyde's lyrics - back-of-a-fag-packet undergraduate cut-up nonsense which at best just distracts and at worst actively spoils the music, turning it from wide-ranging and danceable into a nasty urban noir mess. And his wannabeatnik delivery nobs me off, too.

Tom, Thursday, 19 October 2000 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I kinda fall between the stools here...there albums are slightly dissapointing (with the exception of Beaucoup Fish)...a fair amount of their output is wank...but stuff like "Rez" and "Jumbo" are those moments when dance music just transcends itself...stunning......probably because Karl Hyde cuts out that annoying gibberish

Michael Bourke, Monday, 4 December 2000 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

*Underworld*? Mmm...yes, well, Josh was kind enough to send it to me but I haven't read the damned thing yet. Well, actually, I read the opening section yclept "The Triumph of Death" when it appeared in Harper's (see, there's Harper's and death again...that's why the mag's so goth), and I liked *White Noise* quite a bit as you all know so I can't imagine any recent Delillo not being any good, you know?

Michael Daddino, Monday, 4 December 2000 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
I thought underworld was just crap cause of the lyrics. but man, after hearing Jumbo, i beleive these guys to be masters of the art thaat is music, if not Gods. So much can be said for a single track to cause such revelation. by the way as cryptic as these lyrics are, why do all songs have references to "the city"? am i the only one that's noticed that.

Keyur Patel, Saturday, 23 December 2000 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Because they are like so urban and hip.

Josh, Saturday, 23 December 2000 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
Underworld, very tricky proposition. When they're good they are well amazing (Rez, Skyscraper, Cups, Juanita), and it doesn't depend on the vocals/no-vocals division of tracks, see for instance Cups which has lovely vocals. The long-players have all been patchy, usually the first 3 or 4 tracks are storming and then anything can happen. The 2nd half of Dubnobass...has some great stuff (Dirty Epic, Cowgirl), Secondthoughts never recovers and Beacoup Fish has Kittens, which is...is...the sound of taking lots of drugs and feeling very expansive :) So between classic and dud, leaning on the classic side.

o.munoz, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

After "Rez" I could just about forgive them anything.

Stevo, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

"Kittens". I heard a RealAudio excerpt of this when _BF_ came out and was suitably staggered. I was all set to run to the store to buy the album when I heard "Push Upstairs"... ew. (I've since grown used to that song, but I don't see anything overly special about it.)

Dan Perry, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Underworld have never struck me as self-consciously hip. When I listen to their music, I hear genuine angst, not posturing. Of course, if you don't *like* angst...

Snow Dog, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Well, okay. Having had an opportunity to at least listen to the first half of _Beaucoup Fish_, I'm somewhat staggered by how much I actually LIKE it! Granted, it's all stuff I've heard before, but if the rest of the album holds up, I'm going to have to temper many of the negative things I've said about them.

Dan Perry, Friday, 19 January 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

So, after that initial euphoric burst, I've come down somewhat on encountering "Winjer", although I note that as far as vaguely-ambient Underworld nonsense goes, it's pretty damn cool. So, we're still in the plus column...

Dan Perry, Friday, 19 January 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
It's obvious none of you were there in their 80s days, nor early 90s. Unfortunately, there are a lot of new fans of theirs with the release of BF, many of which don't understand them. You need to listen to an album fully (especially the 2 earlier ones), and repeatedly, and definitely see them live a couple of times. I find Karl's lyrics to be soothing oftentimes, and can sit around interpreting them for hours (even though they are, self admittedly, nonsense). There are other commercialized techno bands/groups/DJs where the lyrics distract a LOT more (Fatboy Slim? Daft Punk?) - and many are more repetitive than much of U/w's stuff. If you're listening to them to find dance music, find something else. Much of their stuff has been, and still is, ambient & moody, with the occasional club anthem strewn in. I find them a unique and rare band (well 2 of them, now), one which actually tries to innovate & mix their own stuff (look actual guitars).

Admittedly, I am biased (met them live several times) and I am more of an ambient/idm fan (ala FSOL & AFX) & some trance (Juno Reactor), and have been for over a decade, so there's your caveat and explanation of my fangirl-ishness.

UW_fangirl, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

They're great live and they're great to dance to when you're off your nuts. What more do you want?

Dirty Dirty Dirty Dirty Vicar, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

LAGER LAGER LAGER LAGER LAGER LAGER....etc.

I could listen to that all day. Or at least for about 4 minutes, when I'd get really irritated and want to bust up something. Still.

For the most part I find Underworld a bit boring but I still have their CDs because I like some of the songs. They're really not a classic or a dud, to be honest. They're more an existance.

Ally, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

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rhamnose, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
Underworld for me have always fallen down due to Karl Hyde's lyrics - back-of-a-fag-packet undergraduate cut-up nonsense which at best just distracts and at worst actively spoils the music, turning it from wide-ranging and danceable into a nasty urban noir mess. And his wannabeatnik delivery nobs me off, too.

Strange - that's what initially attracted me to Underworld; and was the first step I took towards electronic/dance music - I hadn't heard any interesting throwaway cutup soundbytes-strung-together fractured- narrative stuff before, and the music seemed to be the perfect accompaniment to this - I couldn't imagine Karl Hyde-isms succeeding over a guitar backdrop etc. And as someone a very long way away indeed from Underworld's BritCity; it seemed oh so very exotic&mysterious&sexy. Inauthenticity of musical tourism, and all that guff; but Underworld were something I could be palpably excited by; and a doorway to a whole new world of music, apologies for RAGING CLICHES.

Ess Kay, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

one of the things I like about Underworld is the different moods on the albums. Cowgirl vs. Tongue. Pearls girl vs. Blueski. they do both the rock-out and the chill out pretty well

Ron, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Classic, classic and more classic. As classic as they get. Once in a while I feel compelled to go back and play everything I have by them: all the albums, seven bootlegs, ten singles. I sometimes have to dig out their remixes too. There's nobody else where I do this.

And I love Karl Hyde's lyrics.

Martin Skidmore, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

curiously enoght it was through underworld that i found this site. i frequently post on the foums at [url]http://www.dirty.org[/url] and fellow poster [b]girlthursday[/b] (minna) posted a link to this site.

i like all of their albums but [i]dubnobass..[/i] is defintely my favourite. i love the fact that the albums contain pure dance floor killers next to more downtempo tracks like [i]dirty epic[/i] and [i] m.e[/i]

they are also jaw-droppingly fantastic live - i've seen them seven times - and they were really the pioneers of taking dance music into the live arena and in so doing paved the way for bands like [b] orbital, chemical brothers[/b] and [/b]the prodigy[/b] to follow in their footsteps.

there's plenty of their live gigs available on audiogalaxy including the superb european club gig. fans should also check out [url] http://www.underworldlive.com[/url] which is an official site where you can download soundboard recordings of some of their gigs as well as some recent studio stuff such as the blue mountain sessions.

matt, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

NOONE HAS MENTIONED "DARK AND LONG", NOONE. Well maybe someone, but it's a classic too.

Ronan, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

does anyone else hear the chords to Brian & Roger Eno's "Always Returning" in "Born Slippy"?
since "Deep Blue Day" (also from Apollo) was in the movie, is this a connection/(not so)hidden-reference?

Paul, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
'luetin' was playing on the radio as i drove home, and afterwards the dj said "Hardcore electronica from Underworld!" which i thought was funny

ron (ron), Friday, 20 September 2002 00:04 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Has anyone listened to "Tiny Clicks" and "Headset", the two "vaguely-ambient Underworld nonsense" (as Dan puts it) b-sides on the "Two Months Off" single? Both excellent - "Headsets" in particular is pretty fabulous - and they'd be about the first time I've really warmed to Underworld's non-dancefloor biznizz. Will have to think about getting "A Hundred Days Off" now.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 September 2002 03:26 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The hilarious thing is that "Winjer" is now one of my favorite songs off of _Beaucoup Fish_!

Those two tracks are great. I think I need to live with them a little more before they really sink in, but so far they're much better than, say, the ambient tracks on the "Pearl's Girl" single. (None of them can touch "Tongue", though.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 September 2002 12:06 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

CLASSIC of course, Karl's lyrics and delivery an' all but again i urge you to seek out Underworld's early material if you like a larf...'change the weather', 'underneath the radar' esp. - i can almost see them supporting Talk Talk with It Bites on tour in 1987 hahahaha

blueski, Friday, 20 September 2002 12:19 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Ronan, Dark & Long dropped into their live sets gets me going.

Alan (Alan), Friday, 20 September 2002 12:22 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

maybe we should do a Taking Sides - 'Dark & Long' vs 'Dark & Long (Dark Train)'

blueski, Friday, 20 September 2002 15:42 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Dark & Long" any day. That bass line is to DIE FOR.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 September 2002 16:21 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Hmmmm they played Dark Train last time and it was pretty amazing.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 September 2002 09:51 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

they never played Dark Train or Dark & Long the times i saw them - bastads

blueski, Saturday, 21 September 2002 13:05 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
can anybody give me an explanation over the song born slippy? Tell me what is behind the lyrics... thnx

bart, Saturday, 18 January 2003 16:23 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Born Slippy is about placentas.

now, on to my ancedote, which is about how the promo vinyl we got for 'King of Snake' was a 12" and os I put it on at 33 and it was SUPER FUNKY like WOW until Karl's vox came in and it sounded like he was a dying robot from planet Opium. So I put it on 45 and it turned into house music, which while quite good was not nearly as enjoyable as the 33 version.

Tom Millar (Millar), Saturday, 18 January 2003 17:50 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...
Dubnobasswithmyheadman- is tHe bEST underworld album. Fav track: Dirty Epic. anyone that don't like that song's gotta be heartless.

whoever (whoever), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 07:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

My fav one is Beaucoup Fish. Jumbo sounds more like Wire than Elastica ever did.

echo...

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 09:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I thought "Spoonman" off "Dubnobass..." was flippin' ace!!! No one I know seems to like it!!!!! Mind you, I like repetitive techno bollox!!!!!!

I also went to one of the concerts (Broadcast on Radio 1!!!!!) at around the time of "Dubnobass...", (The same night as they found the body of Kurt Cobain!!!!) and it was grebt/GRATE/etc!!!!! Unlike the recent "live" album, it was one big long DJ mix style jam, mixing in various bits of their songs. The track on the live album which mixes "Cowgirl" and "Rez" is nearest equivalent- imagine a whole concert like that with most of the tracks from "Dubnobass..." and an early version "Born Slippy"!!!! (I've actually got a tape of it somewhere, taped of the radio...)

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 10:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

OMG! I did the same 33-45 mistake with the "Kittens" promo, with the same effect: the slow version easily trumped the "right" version.

Anyways, Underworld is still classic because did I mention that "Tin There" is basically my favorite techno barnburner ever?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't care how much everybody hates it, I think "Underneath the Radar" is a fucking GREAT 80s pop song.

The kickass house/blues romp "Big Mouth" (with some guy named Philadelphia Slim whom I've never heard of on harmonica!!) is another awesome underrated early Underworld song. Underworld kicks ass.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:32 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

total classic. however, i was one of those american kids who was rather impressionable when trainspotting came out and when record labels were trying to push 'electronica' down everyone's throats.. but stuff like dubnobassman, second toughest and the pearl's girl maxi single kept me around for good. second toughest is one of the albums ive played more consistantly than anything else over the last 5-6 years.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 18:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

www.freakytrigger.co.uk/underworld.html


(I'm sorry I won't pimp out that article ever again, this is the millionth time, prob haven't written anything decent for free since, it was 18 months ago)

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Classic. They're one of the only bands my brother ever turned me on to. Second Toughest, I have to agree, is killer.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 January 2004 06:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
I am listening to _Beaucoup Fish_ right now and realizing that the only song on it that I dislike is "Bruce Lee".

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the thread about electronic music that moves you reminded me of this band.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

DUD ^

24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i love Bruce Lee, where does that female monologue come from?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:07 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Hyde's lyrics are starting to annoy me more here and there these days, particularly on Luetin tho that is a fantastic track (a classic case of a track you are just casually listening to, a few minutes pass and then you just hit a moment and realise where you are who you are what's going on etc.)

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

xxp I may be wrong but I've got the impression that the Drift tracks are (more or less) written/recorded new each week - although probably using lyrics/beats/melodies that Rick & Karl have accumulated over the years.

groovypanda, Friday, 24 May 2019 19:36 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Soniamode sticks out as one that they say in their write-up has been kicking around a long time. Most appear to be pretty recent creations but I never got the impression it's been a one-song-per-week focus creatively.

maffew12, Friday, 24 May 2019 19:41 (three weeks ago) Permalink

that is, I get the idea they have the whole thing at least sketched out... not that they're meeting every Friday like, ok what now? :)

maffew12, Friday, 24 May 2019 19:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I imagine they have a plan but some of the accompanying notes (especially to Brussels and Soniamode) seem to imply the tracks have only come together in the last few days.

Whatever, I still find it amazing that these guys who are into 30+ years together as a band are churning out new tracks every week that have an incredibly high hit to miss ratio. Long may it continue.

groovypanda, Friday, 24 May 2019 19:53 (three weeks ago) Permalink

And as evidenced by the single version of Soniamode, a lot of these tracks are probably going to get polished up and be even better on the album.

groovypanda, Friday, 24 May 2019 19:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yeah, hell i dunno. The text on the new track was sweet, "Two people helping each other forever..."

maffew12, Friday, 24 May 2019 19:57 (three weeks ago) Permalink

And yeah, while there might be a bassline or pattern reused here or there in the Drift stuff, it seems to be all material written and recorded between 2017 and, in one case, the week of release.

In between chapters they've dropped stuff from 1997 to 2018: things they've had on the web in like 96kbps before, one they've never released studio versions of before, one brand new track they used as an intro on the first commercial Drift, a 26-minute 2008 studio improv version of Pearls Girl, and so on.

(So far it's about 3 hours 45 of Drift, over an hour of additional material. Plus other bits only on Mixcloud, like this 1998 jam/rehearsal for Beaucoup Fish figuring out the live versions)

tfw you are not easily whelmed (sic), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xpost!

some of the accompanying notes (especially to Brussels and Soniamode) seem to imply the tracks have only come together in the last few days.

I think they specify that when it happens because it's unusual, not that they're writing a piece a week. The Necks sessions were in early 2018, and they noted that some of those were riffing on pieces they'd already written/recorded for Drift.

Whatever, I still find it amazing that these guys who are into 30+ years together as a band are churning out new tracks every week that have an incredibly high hit to miss ratio.

40 years this year!

tfw you are not easily whelmed (sic), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

to track one piece via workflow we have info for:

Rick and Karl wrote and recorded Soniamode together on the 1st of April, 2015. It then sat untouched until...

per the sleevenotes to Drift, Rick was looking for a track to finish for that Thursday's release on Tuesday January 22nd, and dug up Soniamode.

On the Wednesday afternoon, he picked up Appleshine, and finished it at 6:45am for release a few hours later.

Having slept, he then started working on mixing the Necks version of Appleshine on the Friday, on which day Karl recorded a "new vocal" for another piece that hasn't been released yet.

Rick continued mixing Appleshine Continuum through the weekend, finishing it on Monday 28th.

On the Tuesday, Rick and the video bloke decided that Molehill would be the track to come out on Thursday. On the Wednesday, they rehearsed for a gig in Dubai, then Rick mixed Molehill & delivered for video at 2am. They rehearsed again on the Thursday, then packed up the gear to ship to Dubai on the Friday.

Rick wrote new material on Saturday 2nd Feb. On the Sunday he worked on a piece that hasn't come out yet, and then on the video for Threat Of Rain. He worked on the same unreleased piece on Monday morning, then finished the video version of Threat Of Rain at 2am Tuesday.

Later on Tuesday Feb 5th, Karl recorded new vocals for Soniamode.

They flew to Dubai on the Wednesday, played on Friday night, flew home on Saturday. Rick worked on the mix for the EP version of Threat Of Rain in his hotel room while we were listening to the free/youtube version.

Jetlagged on Sunday, Rick picked up another unreleased piece and Brussels on Monday 11th, then chose Brussels on the Tuesday and finished it before midnight on Wednesday.

On the Thursday, he finished mixing Appleshine Continuum.

On Saturday 16th, he worked on some Drift future planning and more on Soniamode.

On Monday the 18th, Karl wrote new words and recorded vocals for Soniamode and one of the above not-yet-released tracks. Rick mixed it for video and sent it to the video bloke at midnight.

On Tuesday the 19th, they started writing the Game version of Soniamode.

On Thursday Feb 21st, the Soniamode they finished 55 hours earlier was released.

Three months later, and 211 weeks after they started it, on Tuesday May 21st the single / Game version of Soniamode was released.

tfw you are not easily whelmed (sic), Saturday, 25 May 2019 02:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

So there's rarely a plan even six days ahead, and the videos are frequently being made between 2am and the morning release. But they're absolutely not making a track per week!

tfw you are not easily whelmed (sic), Saturday, 25 May 2019 02:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

ah that puts it all into context well, that the EPs are fairly spontaneous but the album will likely be a more polished compilation of the best of the all the material

ufo, Saturday, 25 May 2019 03:03 (three weeks ago) Permalink

cheers xp

groovypanda, Saturday, 25 May 2019 05:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Karl Hyde is now two years older than Leonard Cohen was when he wrote Closing Time.

Matt DC, Saturday, 25 May 2019 08:03 (three weeks ago) Permalink

that whipper-snapper Rick is 3 years younger than Karl

StanM, Saturday, 25 May 2019 08:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Whatever, I still find it amazing that these guys who are into 30+ years together as a band are churning out new tracks every week that have an incredibly high hit to miss ratio. Long may it continue.

lol it's them and....They Might be Giants

frogbs, Sunday, 26 May 2019 03:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

anyway if UW really wanna make this their best year ever they need to record and release one of these live shows, similar to the Tokyo 2005 album, I'm still in awe of how great that set was

frogbs, Sunday, 26 May 2019 03:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

This week's newie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Sobf9OW9g

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 30 May 2019 22:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

(free download is back, too)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 31 May 2019 00:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

if you were waiting for Most Ospitible, Who Rings the Bell, and King of Snake to have a baby, this one belongs to you.

I like!

maffew12, Friday, 31 May 2019 10:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

spoilers (??) if you care about that sort of thing

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/underworld/2019/concert-hall-sydney-opera-house-sydney-australia-391b993.html?fbclid=IwAR3FjZkfTztZ9z4Zu54foh_SEL-RKEDMihYrmjDKAUjxNih7dLLRtEZYp8k

assuming "Border Country" is some future track

frogbs, Friday, 31 May 2019 15:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

reading through the Drift Episode 2 liner notes i noticed that Rick suddenly says "There was no Agata (Melt Banana) on that" while he and Karl are discussing the violin and sax players on "Appleshine" which i didn't quite understand what he meant by it, so i went digging and i found an interview from a few years ago where Karl mentions he has a side project collaborating with Melt-Banana in the works and he's a big fan of them so i'm thinking maybe some sort of Melt-Banana collab will show up in Drift at some point? Rick might have just been comparing their playing style as the opposite of Agata's but to me it sounds like it could imply they were working together recently? really would have no idea what an Underworld/Melt-Banana collab would sound like though

ufo, Sunday, 2 June 2019 15:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I went digging around to try and track which songs came out in what formats and which have different versions and so forth, and found that Darren Price had his own big mid-Drift-style archive cleanout in the months before Drift started:

Two remixes of Lenne Penne from RiverRun, that were never used:
https://soundcloud.com/dj-darren-price/underworld-lenne-penne-darren-price-acid-mix-unreleaded-2006
https://soundcloud.com/dj-darren-price/underworld-lenne-penne-darren-price-drums-remix

A mix of Deep Arch used in the Olympics opening ceremony but not included on the album:
https://soundcloud.com/dj-darren-price/underworld-deep-arch-darren-price-unreleased-mix

A mix of Dark & Long he did with High Contrast that only appeared on the Olympics album in cut-down form:
https://soundcloud.com/dj-darren-price/underworld-dark-long-unreleased-6m-28s-darren-price-high-contrast-remix

A mix of Cherry Pie that he and High Contrast did that was meant to be used during the athletes' march, but they marched too fast:
https://soundcloud.com/dj-darren-price/underworld-cherry-pie-darren-price-high-contrast-mix-unreleased

A first-draft mix he did of Twenty Three Blue off Barbara Barbara, that got shelved when the original got relegated to a bonus track in Japan
https://soundcloud.com/dj-darren-price/underworld-twenty-three-blue-darren-price-unreleased-mix-2015

aaaaaand a 2002 mash-up he did of the Nuxx vocals over a track on Carl Cox's label, of which he made two dubplates and gave one to Cox, so nobody else has played this since
https://soundcloud.com/dj-darren-price/underworld-born-slippy-darren-price-unreleased-dubplate-2002

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 3 June 2019 08:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

nice! Thanks for that. Only just got hold of a copy of his Under the Flightpath, which I've been enjoying a lot.

And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 00:37 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah - those mixes with High Contrast are great. weren't they playing a lot of Price's stuff during those '05/'06 shows? "Yard Beat", "Moroccan Meatballs", "Aquafunk", etc.? surprised none of that's come out.

frogbs, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 15:40 (one week ago) Permalink

James - his soundcloud also has chunks of unreleased solo material, like 13 minutes of tracks from a 1998 followup album for NovaMute, and these two songs from the same shelved release

weren't they playing a lot of Price's stuff during those '05/'06 shows? "Yard Beat", "Moroccan Meatballs", "Aquafunk", etc.? surprised none of that's come out.

I'd guess either: he just doesn't have enough of a name for labels to be bothered; or he was simply happy having both a day job with Underworld where he got to play his music live to people and a night job DJing where he gets to play his recorded music to people, without having to try and promote & sell it to anyone.

He did start a new label last year to release a track Underworld were playing from 2011-2014, with new B-sides (audio on youtube), and here's a recording of Underworld playing his Nicodemus in 2010

BTW Underworld just did four nights in a row at the Sydney Opera House, and included one new song and a few Drift tracks in the sets - here's the unreleased one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjJ6gtBafRo

(unlisted video, might not embed)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 20:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Cute video released today on the Sydney shows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WerkBv-bQP0

Wonder if they're going to release a full show or compilation.

Going to wait on hearing Border Country. It has to be part of what's left of Drift. I've seen fans online losing their minds over it since they debuted it live (early last year?).

maffew12, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 21:31 (one week ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knGbjeIqkUs

might be the strangest track yet

frogbs, Thursday, 6 June 2019 18:28 (one week ago) Permalink

hahaha i'm glad drift has provided them an avenue to do bizarre things like that

ufo, Friday, 7 June 2019 02:40 (one week ago) Permalink

someone on the boards mentioned Soul Coughing which makes total sense to me. but yeah I'm in agreement, as much as I love stuff like "Threat of Rain" or "Schlipol Test" from last week, this is the sort of thing I'm interested in hearing them try

frogbs, Friday, 7 June 2019 14:41 (one week ago) Permalink

this sounds like loads of ‘90s Australian hip-hop

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 7 June 2019 14:54 (one week ago) Permalink

lol as soon as i heard the beat i was like "karl's gonna do some 'bruce lee'/'ring road' shit over this" and lo

i love it

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 7 June 2019 15:16 (one week ago) Permalink

This is the only song of theirs on the "Bruce Lee" template that I've liked

Arugula Raccoon (DJP), Friday, 7 June 2019 15:34 (one week ago) Permalink

new one's an ambient piece...sounds a bit like Aphex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-cAlgzLzOQ

it's short...but! there is apparently an entire album of this stuff. I guess it was done a couple years ago, but still...

https://mcrstreetpoem.tmstor.es/cart/product.php?id=52418

frogbs, Thursday, 13 June 2019 17:25 (four days ago) Permalink

Score is very nice. Love ambient Rick

maffew12, Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:51 (four days ago) Permalink

sounds a bit like Aphex

it does!

for those not signed up, instead of a free mp3 this week, you get that link to buy the entire Manchester Street Poem album (pay what you want, minimum £5.00, proceeds go to the charity). Now that the eventual album and box set are announced, they're evidently prompting themselves into messing around with the week-to-week format in new ways.

I guess it was done a couple years ago, but still...

An early mix of Doris is in the background of this trailer featuring Karl painting, posted in December 2017, and there's more score in this mini-doco (also note that the new video of Doris is cut down by about a minute from the album)

They seem to be interested in clearing the decks rn at the same time as generating loads of new music: as well as this sudden bonus album, there's the in-between-chapters releases and streams, the Iggy Pop collab EP from July 2018 was recorded in 2016, they're digging into unfinished tracks and the Necks sessions for Drift... as if they want to come out the other end with no "maybe we'll come back to that" projects hanging around.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:55 (four days ago) Permalink

... and finally go back to being a funk act

maffew12, Thursday, 13 June 2019 22:57 (four days ago) Permalink

I would 100% go to an Underneath The Radar 33rd anniversary concert

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 14 June 2019 00:05 (three days ago) Permalink

is it now a drift too far?

maffew12, Friday, 14 June 2019 00:16 (three days ago) Permalink

Score is very nice. Love ambient Rick

― maffew12, Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:21 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Mostly not as mellow as "Doris". Nice techno in here.

maffew12, Friday, 14 June 2019 01:07 (three days ago) Permalink

doubt anyone will be shocked to hear this but the 17 minute track is amazing

feels like it could've been the inspiration for "Pinetum"

frogbs, Friday, 14 June 2019 04:20 (three days ago) Permalink

They seem to be interested in clearing the decks rn at the same time as generating loads of new music: as well as this sudden bonus album, there's the in-between-chapters releases and streams, the Iggy Pop collab EP from July 2018 was recorded in 2016, they're digging into unfinished tracks and the Necks sessions for Drift... as if they want to come out the other end with no "maybe we'll come back to that" projects hanging around.

I just remembered that AHDO is due for an 'ultra deluxe' reissue soon, though I have no clue how many rarities they have lying around from then. Their singles from that era were quite lean. They could easily do a 4+ CD version of Oblivion With Bells though. Does anyone remember a drum n' bass track called "Swing Up High" that was offered up for download on underworldlive.com a decade or so ago? It fuckin' ruled!!

frogbs, Friday, 14 June 2019 04:29 (three days ago) Permalink

I'd be shocked to see a Hundred Days box. Maybe something to cover their entire '00s? Riverrun and all that

But I'm not sure of the economics of these things anymore. Maybe it is worth their while to press up a small number of boxes and get renewed interest on streaming services for the material (and extras).

maffew12, Friday, 14 June 2019 11:35 (three days ago) Permalink

I just want the epic ambient tracks collected on vinyl. Peach Tree, Ansum, 23 Blue (i've got the 7" from Electronic Sound, but passed on the bonus 12" due to ridiculous shipping) etc. There are a handful of great tunes that didn't make it to vinyl or were very limited on vinyl.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 14 June 2019 16:38 (three days ago) Permalink

I'd be shocked to see a Hundred Days box.

nah, there's plenty for a concise & tidy merely "deluxe" Hundred Days box, or a messy blowout one if they include the remixes of the time (that were pretty boring iirc) and the 2000 version and remixes of Cowgirl and 2003 version and remixes of NUXX.

Whether you dump that stuff on a fourth disc or not, there's half an hour of fairly placid b-sides, and 13 minutes of the two versions of 020202, that could stand alone or get filled out on a disc with similar-sounding unreleased and developmental tracks like the other reissues. And then highlights of a Lemonworld broadcast or two could pack a third disc. (Or, though it dates from the end of Emerson's time, the Blue Mountains session would make a great value fourth disc.)

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Maybe something to cover their entire '00s? Riverrun and all that

I can see a supermegadeluxe 2005-2008 box, skipping all outside remixes, as apparently much of the Sunshine soundtrack, most of the Breaking & Entering soundtrack and all (?) of Oblivion With Bells came out of the work that started as the Riverrun sessions.

But Riverrun alone would take two CDs to press just in the mixed-together versions, and judging by some of the tracks that have been released unmixed, might fill out those two in full versions. If you include the remixes by other people & the Misterons in-house mix, even with no unreleased material, that's easily four discs just covering November 2005 to June 2006, let alone the rest of the decade.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 15 June 2019 02:11 (two days ago) Permalink

might fill out those two in full versions

OK I checked (and typed up details and then accidentally pasted a URL over the entire post)

But the unmixed Pizza With Eggs promo blows out from 25 minutes to 45, including a 20-minute (!) Ancient Phat Farm Coat*. The unmixed Lovely Broken Thing is only 34, including a ten-minute Lenny Penne, but that's a full 80-minute CD even if I'm A Princess only gained one second per track... but there are two different commercially-released edits of Peach Tree alone that are each over 12 minutes.

*four of the six tracks had commercially-released edits that were slightly shorter than the promo.

(why yes, I have already been inspired by Drift to dig back into some of the C21 Underworld I skimmed or skipped, and in this era just gave up and stuck with the old 192k mp3s on my ipod while waiting for the 20th anniversary box)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 15 June 2019 02:28 (two days ago) Permalink

I just want "Bamboo"

frogbs, Saturday, 15 June 2019 02:50 (two days ago) Permalink

I’d be satisfied with however many seconds of “Showlder” were left off on either end of the mixed version

You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Saturday, 15 June 2019 03:00 (two days ago) Permalink

gave up and stuck with

(oh alright then, I downloaded some maniac's multiple re-mixed-together compilations of the best performances on the Oblivion With Bells tour releases, and then whittled down his different versions into two and a half hours of Best of The Bests, two hours of Alternative Best Versions, and another four and a half hours covering one version of every song played on the tour.

(and then put it in a folder unplayed and went back to listening to Drift and single / compilation tracks from the last ten years that I'd missed.)

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 15 June 2019 03:06 (two days ago) Permalink

hah I've had those kinda nights

today it's pretty much been "Pinetum" over and over

frogbs, Saturday, 15 June 2019 03:16 (two days ago) Permalink

i've been playing the megadeluxe edition of STITI in the car lately and it's so good, all of it. what a group.

omar little, Saturday, 15 June 2019 04:00 (two days ago) Permalink


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