Underworld - Classic or Dud?

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I've always been under the impression that, a few slammin' singles aside, Underworld was the epitome of style over substance. However, hearing "King Of Snake" for the first time and going gaga over their live album is forcing me to reevaluate.

Therefore, I turn to my peers. What say you - is Underworld fab or foul? Beauty or booty? Wonderful or worthless?

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Eh? Style over substance? Weren't you one of the people who heartily recommended _dubnobasswithmyheadman_ to me a month ago? :)

Josh, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Um, yes. This was after spending THREE YEARS trying to get into the damn thing. I now like it a good bit, but I'm not nearly as passionate about that album as I am about many of their singles, such as "Dirty Epic", "Mmm Skyscraper I Love You", "Born Slippy (original)", "Pearl's Girl", "Cups", and "King Of Snake".

I recommmend _dubnobass..._ because that's the best Underworld album and it's a genuinely good album. _Second Toughest..._ isn't nearly as strong and hearing "Push Upstairs" and "Jumbo" put me off of getting _Beaucoup Fish_, which I'll admit might have been a mistake because "King Of Snake" and "Cups" both rank up there among the best songs they've ever done. (But is it another case where the single is stormin' and the album is limpid? I don't know.)

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Dan, the thing with Underworld is that they have very consistent production and arrangement skills, which means that really you're gonna like each song based on how strong the tune is. Hence the singles seem fab, and everything else comparatively drab.

But "Beaucoup Fish" is worth getting. Both "Push Upstairs" improve the more familiar you are with them - both seem insanely repetitive to begin with, but I found both grew on me enormously once I went walking around the city with them on my headphones. Plus, you're missing out on "Cups" (deep house par excellence), "Bruce Lee" (hip hop meets Detroit techno), "Kittens" (a storming epic), "Something Like A Mama" (jungle-inflected track like "Pearl's Girl" with its tongue in its cheek) and of course "King Of Snake". It's a strong album.

Tim, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

I never really had a problem with Underworld being style over substance--more power to people and bands who can pull that off as consistently as they have. So, finding out (via numerous listens and re-evaluations and re-re-evaluations--I'm thinking of "Second Toughest..." here, an album I literally didn't listen to for over a year because it seemed to be such an unworthy follow-up to "Dubnobass...") that "Hey, there might be something more here than just a storming tune or some nice atmospherics" has just been the icing on the cake (or maybe the lovely dense cake hiding under the sweet and pretty batter?). The live album has certainly helped in this assessment, but it has also made me wonder lately why so many folks slag off "Jumbo," which is really a beautiful and (I think) quite emotional song (despite the standard Hyde lyrical meanderings, which I wouldn't have any other way, of course). So many reviews of "Everything Everything" have inexplicably picked on my dear "Jumbo" as the dud track, and I have to wonder if it's because it simply lessens the momentum of the album (albeit briefly) or if I have been hoodwinked into liking a song that might, upon further reflection, just be a cute little toss-off ditty that will eventually fade in comparison to the admitted genius of "Cowgirl" or "...Skyscraper..." Whatever the case, "Jumbo" is what elevated "Beaucoup Fish" from good to great for me, and served more than any other recent track (yes, even more than the overrated "Born Slippy") to reaffirm my belief that Underworld are fab, beauty, and most assuredly wonderful.

Max Jones, Wednesday, 18 October 2000 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Underworld for me have always fallen down due to Karl Hyde's lyrics - back-of-a-fag-packet undergraduate cut-up nonsense which at best just distracts and at worst actively spoils the music, turning it from wide-ranging and danceable into a nasty urban noir mess. And his wannabeatnik delivery nobs me off, too.

Tom, Thursday, 19 October 2000 00:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I kinda fall between the stools here...there albums are slightly dissapointing (with the exception of Beaucoup Fish)...a fair amount of their output is wank...but stuff like "Rez" and "Jumbo" are those moments when dance music just transcends itself...stunning......probably because Karl Hyde cuts out that annoying gibberish

Michael Bourke, Monday, 4 December 2000 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

*Underworld*? Mmm...yes, well, Josh was kind enough to send it to me but I haven't read the damned thing yet. Well, actually, I read the opening section yclept "The Triumph of Death" when it appeared in Harper's (see, there's Harper's and death again...that's why the mag's so goth), and I liked *White Noise* quite a bit as you all know so I can't imagine any recent Delillo not being any good, you know?

Michael Daddino, Monday, 4 December 2000 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
I thought underworld was just crap cause of the lyrics. but man, after hearing Jumbo, i beleive these guys to be masters of the art thaat is music, if not Gods. So much can be said for a single track to cause such revelation. by the way as cryptic as these lyrics are, why do all songs have references to "the city"? am i the only one that's noticed that.

Keyur Patel, Saturday, 23 December 2000 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Because they are like so urban and hip.

Josh, Saturday, 23 December 2000 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
Underworld, very tricky proposition. When they're good they are well amazing (Rez, Skyscraper, Cups, Juanita), and it doesn't depend on the vocals/no-vocals division of tracks, see for instance Cups which has lovely vocals. The long-players have all been patchy, usually the first 3 or 4 tracks are storming and then anything can happen. The 2nd half of Dubnobass...has some great stuff (Dirty Epic, Cowgirl), Secondthoughts never recovers and Beacoup Fish has Kittens, which is...is...the sound of taking lots of drugs and feeling very expansive :) So between classic and dud, leaning on the classic side.

o.munoz, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

After "Rez" I could just about forgive them anything.

Stevo, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

"Kittens". I heard a RealAudio excerpt of this when _BF_ came out and was suitably staggered. I was all set to run to the store to buy the album when I heard "Push Upstairs"... ew. (I've since grown used to that song, but I don't see anything overly special about it.)

Dan Perry, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Underworld have never struck me as self-consciously hip. When I listen to their music, I hear genuine angst, not posturing. Of course, if you don't *like* angst...

Snow Dog, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

Well, okay. Having had an opportunity to at least listen to the first half of _Beaucoup Fish_, I'm somewhat staggered by how much I actually LIKE it! Granted, it's all stuff I've heard before, but if the rest of the album holds up, I'm going to have to temper many of the negative things I've said about them.

Dan Perry, Friday, 19 January 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

So, after that initial euphoric burst, I've come down somewhat on encountering "Winjer", although I note that as far as vaguely-ambient Underworld nonsense goes, it's pretty damn cool. So, we're still in the plus column...

Dan Perry, Friday, 19 January 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
It's obvious none of you were there in their 80s days, nor early 90s. Unfortunately, there are a lot of new fans of theirs with the release of BF, many of which don't understand them. You need to listen to an album fully (especially the 2 earlier ones), and repeatedly, and definitely see them live a couple of times. I find Karl's lyrics to be soothing oftentimes, and can sit around interpreting them for hours (even though they are, self admittedly, nonsense). There are other commercialized techno bands/groups/DJs where the lyrics distract a LOT more (Fatboy Slim? Daft Punk?) - and many are more repetitive than much of U/w's stuff. If you're listening to them to find dance music, find something else. Much of their stuff has been, and still is, ambient & moody, with the occasional club anthem strewn in. I find them a unique and rare band (well 2 of them, now), one which actually tries to innovate & mix their own stuff (look actual guitars).

Admittedly, I am biased (met them live several times) and I am more of an ambient/idm fan (ala FSOL & AFX) & some trance (Juno Reactor), and have been for over a decade, so there's your caveat and explanation of my fangirl-ishness.

UW_fangirl, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

They're great live and they're great to dance to when you're off your nuts. What more do you want?

Dirty Dirty Dirty Dirty Vicar, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink


I could listen to that all day. Or at least for about 4 minutes, when I'd get really irritated and want to bust up something. Still.

For the most part I find Underworld a bit boring but I still have their CDs because I like some of the songs. They're really not a classic or a dud, to be honest. They're more an existance.

Ally, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

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rhamnose, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
Underworld for me have always fallen down due to Karl Hyde's lyrics - back-of-a-fag-packet undergraduate cut-up nonsense which at best just distracts and at worst actively spoils the music, turning it from wide-ranging and danceable into a nasty urban noir mess. And his wannabeatnik delivery nobs me off, too.

Strange - that's what initially attracted me to Underworld; and was the first step I took towards electronic/dance music - I hadn't heard any interesting throwaway cutup soundbytes-strung-together fractured- narrative stuff before, and the music seemed to be the perfect accompaniment to this - I couldn't imagine Karl Hyde-isms succeeding over a guitar backdrop etc. And as someone a very long way away indeed from Underworld's BritCity; it seemed oh so very exotic&mysterious&sexy. Inauthenticity of musical tourism, and all that guff; but Underworld were something I could be palpably excited by; and a doorway to a whole new world of music, apologies for RAGING CLICHES.

Ess Kay, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one of the things I like about Underworld is the different moods on the albums. Cowgirl vs. Tongue. Pearls girl vs. Blueski. they do both the rock-out and the chill out pretty well

Ron, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Classic, classic and more classic. As classic as they get. Once in a while I feel compelled to go back and play everything I have by them: all the albums, seven bootlegs, ten singles. I sometimes have to dig out their remixes too. There's nobody else where I do this.

And I love Karl Hyde's lyrics.

Martin Skidmore, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

curiously enoght it was through underworld that i found this site. i frequently post on the foums at [url]http://www.dirty.org[/url] and fellow poster [b]girlthursday[/b] (minna) posted a link to this site.

i like all of their albums but [i]dubnobass..[/i] is defintely my favourite. i love the fact that the albums contain pure dance floor killers next to more downtempo tracks like [i]dirty epic[/i] and [i] m.e[/i]

they are also jaw-droppingly fantastic live - i've seen them seven times - and they were really the pioneers of taking dance music into the live arena and in so doing paved the way for bands like [b] orbital, chemical brothers[/b] and [/b]the prodigy[/b] to follow in their footsteps.

there's plenty of their live gigs available on audiogalaxy including the superb european club gig. fans should also check out [url] http://www.underworldlive.com[/url] which is an official site where you can download soundboard recordings of some of their gigs as well as some recent studio stuff such as the blue mountain sessions.

matt, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

NOONE HAS MENTIONED "DARK AND LONG", NOONE. Well maybe someone, but it's a classic too.

Ronan, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

does anyone else hear the chords to Brian & Roger Eno's "Always Returning" in "Born Slippy"?
since "Deep Blue Day" (also from Apollo) was in the movie, is this a connection/(not so)hidden-reference?

Paul, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
'luetin' was playing on the radio as i drove home, and afterwards the dj said "Hardcore electronica from Underworld!" which i thought was funny

ron (ron), Friday, 20 September 2002 00:04 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Has anyone listened to "Tiny Clicks" and "Headset", the two "vaguely-ambient Underworld nonsense" (as Dan puts it) b-sides on the "Two Months Off" single? Both excellent - "Headsets" in particular is pretty fabulous - and they'd be about the first time I've really warmed to Underworld's non-dancefloor biznizz. Will have to think about getting "A Hundred Days Off" now.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 September 2002 03:26 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The hilarious thing is that "Winjer" is now one of my favorite songs off of _Beaucoup Fish_!

Those two tracks are great. I think I need to live with them a little more before they really sink in, but so far they're much better than, say, the ambient tracks on the "Pearl's Girl" single. (None of them can touch "Tongue", though.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 September 2002 12:06 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

CLASSIC of course, Karl's lyrics and delivery an' all but again i urge you to seek out Underworld's early material if you like a larf...'change the weather', 'underneath the radar' esp. - i can almost see them supporting Talk Talk with It Bites on tour in 1987 hahahaha

blueski, Friday, 20 September 2002 12:19 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Ronan, Dark & Long dropped into their live sets gets me going.

Alan (Alan), Friday, 20 September 2002 12:22 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

maybe we should do a Taking Sides - 'Dark & Long' vs 'Dark & Long (Dark Train)'

blueski, Friday, 20 September 2002 15:42 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Dark & Long" any day. That bass line is to DIE FOR.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 September 2002 16:21 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Hmmmm they played Dark Train last time and it was pretty amazing.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 September 2002 09:51 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

they never played Dark Train or Dark & Long the times i saw them - bastads

blueski, Saturday, 21 September 2002 13:05 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

three months pass...
can anybody give me an explanation over the song born slippy? Tell me what is behind the lyrics... thnx

bart, Saturday, 18 January 2003 16:23 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Born Slippy is about placentas.

now, on to my ancedote, which is about how the promo vinyl we got for 'King of Snake' was a 12" and os I put it on at 33 and it was SUPER FUNKY like WOW until Karl's vox came in and it sounded like he was a dying robot from planet Opium. So I put it on 45 and it turned into house music, which while quite good was not nearly as enjoyable as the 33 version.

Tom Millar (Millar), Saturday, 18 January 2003 17:50 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...
Dubnobasswithmyheadman- is tHe bEST underworld album. Fav track: Dirty Epic. anyone that don't like that song's gotta be heartless.

whoever (whoever), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 07:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

My fav one is Beaucoup Fish. Jumbo sounds more like Wire than Elastica ever did.


mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 09:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I thought "Spoonman" off "Dubnobass..." was flippin' ace!!! No one I know seems to like it!!!!! Mind you, I like repetitive techno bollox!!!!!!

I also went to one of the concerts (Broadcast on Radio 1!!!!!) at around the time of "Dubnobass...", (The same night as they found the body of Kurt Cobain!!!!) and it was grebt/GRATE/etc!!!!! Unlike the recent "live" album, it was one big long DJ mix style jam, mixing in various bits of their songs. The track on the live album which mixes "Cowgirl" and "Rez" is nearest equivalent- imagine a whole concert like that with most of the tracks from "Dubnobass..." and an early version "Born Slippy"!!!! (I've actually got a tape of it somewhere, taped of the radio...)

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 10:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

OMG! I did the same 33-45 mistake with the "Kittens" promo, with the same effect: the slow version easily trumped the "right" version.

Anyways, Underworld is still classic because did I mention that "Tin There" is basically my favorite techno barnburner ever?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I don't care how much everybody hates it, I think "Underneath the Radar" is a fucking GREAT 80s pop song.

The kickass house/blues romp "Big Mouth" (with some guy named Philadelphia Slim whom I've never heard of on harmonica!!) is another awesome underrated early Underworld song. Underworld kicks ass.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:32 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

total classic. however, i was one of those american kids who was rather impressionable when trainspotting came out and when record labels were trying to push 'electronica' down everyone's throats.. but stuff like dubnobassman, second toughest and the pearl's girl maxi single kept me around for good. second toughest is one of the albums ive played more consistantly than anything else over the last 5-6 years.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 18:04 (fifteen years ago) Permalink


(I'm sorry I won't pimp out that article ever again, this is the millionth time, prob haven't written anything decent for free since, it was 18 months ago)

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:36 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Classic. They're one of the only bands my brother ever turned me on to. Second Toughest, I have to agree, is killer.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 January 2004 06:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
I am listening to _Beaucoup Fish_ right now and realizing that the only song on it that I dislike is "Bruce Lee".

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the thread about electronic music that moves you reminded me of this band.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i love Bruce Lee, where does that female monologue come from?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hyde's lyrics are starting to annoy me more here and there these days, particularly on Luetin tho that is a fantastic track (a classic case of a track you are just casually listening to, a few minutes pass and then you just hit a moment and realise where you are who you are what's going on etc.)

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

that p4k review seems to miss the point. It didn't come across to me that you're supposed to like...identify with Iggy here

frogbs, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:10 (six months ago) Permalink

I enjoyed this more than I would have expected. Didn't really care much for most recent Underworld, did kind of enjoy that Iggy Pop album from a couple of years ago.

It's fun to listen to Iggy Pop talk, what he actually says doesn't really matter that much. The straightforward beats on this complement his voice very nicely.

Regarding that pitchfork review: I guess Underworld and Iggy Pop could have gone for something for "significant" or "important" with this (which sometimes feels like the only way for someone older like Iggy Pop to be reviewed positively) but I really liked the tossed off feel of this.

silverfish, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 17:17 (six months ago) Permalink

yeah it feels very tossed off but that's the charm imo!

the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:34 (six months ago) Permalink

like sure, it's a 4.7, fine, but that's not the point

the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:34 (six months ago) Permalink

for some reason I pictured Iggy as having less old rockstar-isms, but the way he delivers them makes some tracks seem like hymns of resignation

mh, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:54 (six months ago) Permalink

I actually kind of love this. UW sound ageless here, you can tell right away who you're listening to with those chord changes and driving beats. meanwhile while Iggy sounds like he's 150 years old. don't mind the vocals much though they do kind of ruin "I'll See Big", which would be cool to have in instrumental form. but he's mostly good. "Get Your Shirt" been in my head all week.

frogbs, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 15:39 (six months ago) Permalink

btw Iggy sounding a bit like David Liebe Hart these days

frogbs, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 15:45 (six months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

new track, it's an odd little thing, what are they up to?


frogbs, Thursday, 1 November 2018 14:30 (three months ago) Permalink

They're up to some interesting stuff on paper, but this song is complete shite. Karl's vocals are awful, as they have been lately. Rick needs to edit him more aggressively. The music is also laughably retro / trying to recapture what made them special in 1996, but ends up sounding like a parody / weak version of UW circa 95/96. I just want to hear Rick make ambient albums and let Karl go do paintings. His painting is miles better than his lyrics at this stage in his career.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 1 November 2018 17:48 (three months ago) Permalink

where did you hear these vicious things? There are always these rumours about them shagging off. Around the London olympics there was this noise about "Underworld" continuing as some loose collective of artists.

I love this track. A relief after that Iggy EP. Like most of their short edits (this is "Another Silent Way (Film Edit)", it feels a bit rushed. Looking forward to the full thing.

maffew12, Sunday, 4 November 2018 16:00 (three months ago) Permalink

I like this one


groovypanda, Friday, 9 November 2018 09:21 (three months ago) Permalink

yeah I've liked 'em both

hope this leads to a new album, or at least a tangible collection of all these tracks. 10 years ago they used to sell these little bundles of tracks on their webshop and there were a lot of gems ("Phonestrap", "Swing Up High", etc.)...hopefully this is something like that?

frogbs, Friday, 9 November 2018 14:19 (three months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

with the Necks!

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Thursday, 29 November 2018 17:38 (two months ago) Permalink

cool but uh where's the rest of it

frogbs, Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:42 (two months ago) Permalink


Uhura Mazda (lukas), Thursday, 29 November 2018 22:48 (two months ago) Permalink

from the email

"Drift Episode 1 concludes on 6 December when all of the published parts 1 to 5 are fused and released in a new extended form."

gotta say I'm curious as to how they are going to fuse these 5 very different sounding tracks together but I hope they aren't kidding about the "extended" part cuz they all feel like they should be longer

frogbs, Thursday, 29 November 2018 23:39 (two months ago) Permalink

Fingers crossed it's something like the RiverRun releases and so ends up around 30 minutes long

groovypanda, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 11:00 (two months ago) Permalink


groovypanda, Thursday, 6 December 2018 09:30 (two months ago) Permalink

It is, indeed, 30 minutes long.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Thursday, 6 December 2018 12:03 (two months ago) Permalink


DRIFT Episode 2 starts in mid January… In the meantime.. this week here’s a little Christmas something… this is what happens when The Misterons grab some tinsel antlers and mix up a couple of The World Of Underworld playlists….” Rick Smith

groovypanda, Friday, 14 December 2018 14:03 (two months ago) Permalink

found a d/l link, which is nice b/c this is very good. been a looong time since I've heard the Winjer mix of Cowgirl


frogbs, Friday, 14 December 2018 15:32 (two months ago) Permalink

Great mix, especially Little Speaker into Cool Kids of Death.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 14 December 2018 22:24 (two months ago) Permalink

really great and exciting

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 14 December 2018 23:13 (two months ago) Permalink

love the new EP by the way. Universe of Can When Back/Dexter's Chalk/Another Silent Way is the hardest they've gone in a long time....feels like a certain stretch on Beacoup Fish.

frogbs, Saturday, 15 December 2018 06:04 (two months ago) Permalink



groovypanda, Friday, 21 December 2018 09:31 (one month ago) Permalink

and another thing


PH = Phonestrap and I think there are a few other familiar bits here

love that they're putting this stuff out there but I really wish they'd make it downloadable. or even better yet, open up a Bandcamp. there's a ton of stuff in the vaults and I think a lot of people would pay for these things.

frogbs, Monday, 31 December 2018 17:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Yes; if you use a downloader, these demos turn out to be around 56 kbps

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 22:34 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah it kinda reminds me of the time when artists would get all hyped up about releasing stuff online but they'd wind up doing it as a bunch of 128 kbps MP3s. I'm not sure what they're thinking here exactly.

frogbs, Thursday, 3 January 2019 14:41 (one month ago) Permalink

I remember the big Radiohead "In Rainbows" release being 160kbps and Jonny Greenwood making fun of audiophiles when asked about it. in all the "pay what you want" hoopla in the press it wasn't really mentioned. Of course that was over a decade ago.

Anyways.. no idea what's up here. even the big super deluxe album reissues they do don't dig quite this deep.

I'm wondering how feasible would it be to release lots of stuff like this and charge for it. Springsteen puts loads of concerts up for sale. But even for an artist that popular, are they really moving many?

maffew12, Thursday, 3 January 2019 17:04 (one month ago) Permalink

Amazing that the only person who really got it was....Trent Reznor

tbh I have no idea how much certain things would sell - Bandcamp numbers always surprise me one way or another. Maybe they don't want this stuff to be part of their "official" catalogue, which is why they don't let people download it. I can understand an artist putting something rough out there and then wanting to pull it. But in our current reality, people are just gonna download it anyway and it's going to sound awful. So who knows what to do.

frogbs, Thursday, 3 January 2019 19:50 (one month ago) Permalink

the "riverrun" EPs feel "unofficial" enough given that you can't buy them anywhere right now, and the best we have those in is I think 192kbps MP3. Real shame on those... Outside of Barbara I think those contain a lot of their best work this century.

if they came out now they'd probably get mashed into their album discography. Album/EP/mixtape/playlist/who cares. I used to hesitate including an EP on, for example, an end of year album list. It's all fair game now.

Weird as this mixcloud miscallaney rollout is (with the fancy blog write-ups and track lists and everything), I'm glad to hear it all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

and more "Drift" soon! Good to see the eventual Part 1 EP (or is it "Episode"?) got a wide release (streaming and download services)

maffew12, Thursday, 3 January 2019 20:19 (one month ago) Permalink

another thing, this is pretty nice. I am pretty sure a couple people on the fan boards made the same thing long ago though.


frogbs, Monday, 7 January 2019 19:46 (one month ago) Permalink

had no idea the Riverrun stuff was unavailable...I thought they were pretty great too (especially the last one) but not breaking them down into separate tracks was probably a bad decision. it's gonna be interesting to see what will happen if they continue making those deluxe remasters - I don't think AHDO has a whole lot of supplemental material, but OWB has a ton, including all three of those. But I don't see them just skipping an album. Who knows.

frogbs, Monday, 7 January 2019 19:49 (one month ago) Permalink

AHDO has a ton of remixes, some hard to find, and there were a few nice live shows, some featuring some nice guitar playing on Twist (I believe). I wouldn't be sad with a live show on disc 2. Whatever show has that fucking annoying Italian radio announcer interrupting the tracks would be great.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 7 January 2019 23:58 (one month ago) Permalink

another mix, including an unreleased track ("TT", which I actually do remember being on a radio show or something)


frogbs, Thursday, 10 January 2019 20:31 (one month ago) Permalink


"More like yoga music! Did not like at all - give me Rez every time- sorry!"

groovypanda, Friday, 11 January 2019 09:09 (one month ago) Permalink

New Drift has started today


groovypanda, Thursday, 24 January 2019 20:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

didn't they preview this one last year? would be awesome if Drift included some of those obscure tracks they'd randomly drop in exactly one live performance or radio broadcast

like this track a lot, feels like an STITI-era thing

frogbs, Thursday, 24 January 2019 20:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"The intro of the track was originally published online when Underworld headlined the BBC Biggest Weekend in Belfast last year"

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 24 January 2019 22:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

hah, didn't read that. I wonder who wrote it, because "an ambient coda reminiscent of Rez" does not strike me as the way R&K would describe their music

frogbs, Thursday, 24 January 2019 22:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Glad they're doing proper downloads now.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 25 January 2019 00:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

just came here to say if you havne't heard the 3-disc Live in Tokyo 25th November 2005 album yet you are missing the fuck out, it blows Everything Everything to smithereens and is chock full of b-sides/unreleased shit

Disc one
"Dinner at Rods/JAL to Tokyo" – 9:03
"Mmm... Skyscraper I Love You" – 5:58
"Kittens" – 9:06
"Moroccan Meatballs" – 2:44 (Darren Price)
"Juanita" – 12:05
"Spikee" – 5:27
"Rez" – 9:28
Disc two
"Simple Distinctive" – 3:37
"Born Slippy .NUXX 2003" – 14:11
"Two Months Off" – 9:42
"Aquafunk/Flatz" – 4:35 (Aquafunk by Darren Price)
"Peggy Sussed" – 2:29
"Lenny Penne" – 5:38
"Small Conker and a Twix" – 2:26
"You Do Scribble" – 7:30
"Back in the Fears/Unknown Song" – 11:39
Disc three
"King of Snake" – 10:31
"Pearl's Girl" – 3:56
"Push Upstairs" – 5:49
"Dark Train" – 9:36
"Yard Beat" – 5:11 (Darren Price)
"Jumbo" – 9:20
"Witness/Rowla" – 9:28
"Moaner" – 9:44

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 31 January 2019 21:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I've got a spare Live In Tokyo to sell/trade if anybody has any good New Order/Underworld/St Etienne/ rarities to swap

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 31 January 2019 22:09 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that 20 minute stretch from "You Do Scribble" to the extended "Back in the Fears" + whatever came after it still absolutely kills. the whole set is amazing - it's almost a let down when it turns into a greatest hits set on Disc 3!!

btw there's a new track today - really gorgeous, though it must be said it does not sound like Underworld at all


frogbs, Thursday, 31 January 2019 23:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

this must be their longest track in a while. reminds me of something off the Pearls Girl EP


frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:56 (one week ago) Permalink

interesting tidbit here


Their latest project, Drift, is a self defined “journey without a fixed destination” consisting of 5 EP’s (and possibly an album)

so that's about 2 1/2 hours of material? very nice.

frogbs, Thursday, 14 February 2019 20:15 (six days ago) Permalink

Next Drift track:

David Bowie’s LOW was the first record that made me realise that a singer can stand at the back as well as the front of the band. Rick was ahead of me in his vision for the dubnobasswithmyheadman album and he’s done it again with Brussels.

Twenty-four hours before this release it was one of a pile of unfinished pieces ‘not’ scheduled to come out. Simon Taylor filmed his route home that evening as he travelled down the motorway - some of this footage inevitably found its way into the conversation.

Working back and forth with sound and image is how we're developing the DRIFT Series, Rick weaving and stitching grooves, melody and words together; drawing parts from disparate songs to create a piece of music that shocked me. Twenty four hours ago, this journey through the edge of night didn't exist.

- Karl


groovypanda, Thursday, 14 February 2019 20:39 (six days ago) Permalink

man I should start listenign to this Drift shit

vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 14 February 2019 21:19 (six days ago) Permalink

FIVE EP'S?! Awesome. Most tracks have been stellar... we're not even half through? Aaaa

maffew12, Thursday, 14 February 2019 21:42 (six days ago) Permalink

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