Underworld - Classic or Dud?

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I've always been under the impression that, a few slammin' singles aside, Underworld was the epitome of style over substance. However, hearing "King Of Snake" for the first time and going gaga over their live album is forcing me to reevaluate.

Therefore, I turn to my peers. What say you - is Underworld fab or foul? Beauty or booty? Wonderful or worthless?

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Eh? Style over substance? Weren't you one of the people who heartily recommended _dubnobasswithmyheadman_ to me a month ago? :)

Josh, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Um, yes. This was after spending THREE YEARS trying to get into the damn thing. I now like it a good bit, but I'm not nearly as passionate about that album as I am about many of their singles, such as "Dirty Epic", "Mmm Skyscraper I Love You", "Born Slippy (original)", "Pearl's Girl", "Cups", and "King Of Snake".

I recommmend _dubnobass..._ because that's the best Underworld album and it's a genuinely good album. _Second Toughest..._ isn't nearly as strong and hearing "Push Upstairs" and "Jumbo" put me off of getting _Beaucoup Fish_, which I'll admit might have been a mistake because "King Of Snake" and "Cups" both rank up there among the best songs they've ever done. (But is it another case where the single is stormin' and the album is limpid? I don't know.)

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Dan, the thing with Underworld is that they have very consistent production and arrangement skills, which means that really you're gonna like each song based on how strong the tune is. Hence the singles seem fab, and everything else comparatively drab.

But "Beaucoup Fish" is worth getting. Both "Push Upstairs" improve the more familiar you are with them - both seem insanely repetitive to begin with, but I found both grew on me enormously once I went walking around the city with them on my headphones. Plus, you're missing out on "Cups" (deep house par excellence), "Bruce Lee" (hip hop meets Detroit techno), "Kittens" (a storming epic), "Something Like A Mama" (jungle-inflected track like "Pearl's Girl" with its tongue in its cheek) and of course "King Of Snake". It's a strong album.

Tim, Tuesday, 17 October 2000 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

I never really had a problem with Underworld being style over substance--more power to people and bands who can pull that off as consistently as they have. So, finding out (via numerous listens and re-evaluations and re-re-evaluations--I'm thinking of "Second Toughest..." here, an album I literally didn't listen to for over a year because it seemed to be such an unworthy follow-up to "Dubnobass...") that "Hey, there might be something more here than just a storming tune or some nice atmospherics" has just been the icing on the cake (or maybe the lovely dense cake hiding under the sweet and pretty batter?). The live album has certainly helped in this assessment, but it has also made me wonder lately why so many folks slag off "Jumbo," which is really a beautiful and (I think) quite emotional song (despite the standard Hyde lyrical meanderings, which I wouldn't have any other way, of course). So many reviews of "Everything Everything" have inexplicably picked on my dear "Jumbo" as the dud track, and I have to wonder if it's because it simply lessens the momentum of the album (albeit briefly) or if I have been hoodwinked into liking a song that might, upon further reflection, just be a cute little toss-off ditty that will eventually fade in comparison to the admitted genius of "Cowgirl" or "...Skyscraper..." Whatever the case, "Jumbo" is what elevated "Beaucoup Fish" from good to great for me, and served more than any other recent track (yes, even more than the overrated "Born Slippy") to reaffirm my belief that Underworld are fab, beauty, and most assuredly wonderful.

Max Jones, Wednesday, 18 October 2000 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

Underworld for me have always fallen down due to Karl Hyde's lyrics - back-of-a-fag-packet undergraduate cut-up nonsense which at best just distracts and at worst actively spoils the music, turning it from wide-ranging and danceable into a nasty urban noir mess. And his wannabeatnik delivery nobs me off, too.

Tom, Thursday, 19 October 2000 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
I kinda fall between the stools here...there albums are slightly dissapointing (with the exception of Beaucoup Fish)...a fair amount of their output is wank...but stuff like "Rez" and "Jumbo" are those moments when dance music just transcends itself...stunning......probably because Karl Hyde cuts out that annoying gibberish

Michael Bourke, Monday, 4 December 2000 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

*Underworld*? Mmm...yes, well, Josh was kind enough to send it to me but I haven't read the damned thing yet. Well, actually, I read the opening section yclept "The Triumph of Death" when it appeared in Harper's (see, there's Harper's and death again...that's why the mag's so goth), and I liked *White Noise* quite a bit as you all know so I can't imagine any recent Delillo not being any good, you know?

Michael Daddino, Monday, 4 December 2000 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I thought underworld was just crap cause of the lyrics. but man, after hearing Jumbo, i beleive these guys to be masters of the art thaat is music, if not Gods. So much can be said for a single track to cause such revelation. by the way as cryptic as these lyrics are, why do all songs have references to "the city"? am i the only one that's noticed that.

Keyur Patel, Saturday, 23 December 2000 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Because they are like so urban and hip.

Josh, Saturday, 23 December 2000 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Underworld, very tricky proposition. When they're good they are well amazing (Rez, Skyscraper, Cups, Juanita), and it doesn't depend on the vocals/no-vocals division of tracks, see for instance Cups which has lovely vocals. The long-players have all been patchy, usually the first 3 or 4 tracks are storming and then anything can happen. The 2nd half of Dubnobass...has some great stuff (Dirty Epic, Cowgirl), Secondthoughts never recovers and Beacoup Fish has Kittens, which is...is...the sound of taking lots of drugs and feeling very expansive :) So between classic and dud, leaning on the classic side.

o.munoz, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

After "Rez" I could just about forgive them anything.

Stevo, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

"Kittens". I heard a RealAudio excerpt of this when _BF_ came out and was suitably staggered. I was all set to run to the store to buy the album when I heard "Push Upstairs"... ew. (I've since grown used to that song, but I don't see anything overly special about it.)

Dan Perry, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Underworld have never struck me as self-consciously hip. When I listen to their music, I hear genuine angst, not posturing. Of course, if you don't *like* angst...

Snow Dog, Thursday, 18 January 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Well, okay. Having had an opportunity to at least listen to the first half of _Beaucoup Fish_, I'm somewhat staggered by how much I actually LIKE it! Granted, it's all stuff I've heard before, but if the rest of the album holds up, I'm going to have to temper many of the negative things I've said about them.

Dan Perry, Friday, 19 January 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

So, after that initial euphoric burst, I've come down somewhat on encountering "Winjer", although I note that as far as vaguely-ambient Underworld nonsense goes, it's pretty damn cool. So, we're still in the plus column...

Dan Perry, Friday, 19 January 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
It's obvious none of you were there in their 80s days, nor early 90s. Unfortunately, there are a lot of new fans of theirs with the release of BF, many of which don't understand them. You need to listen to an album fully (especially the 2 earlier ones), and repeatedly, and definitely see them live a couple of times. I find Karl's lyrics to be soothing oftentimes, and can sit around interpreting them for hours (even though they are, self admittedly, nonsense). There are other commercialized techno bands/groups/DJs where the lyrics distract a LOT more (Fatboy Slim? Daft Punk?) - and many are more repetitive than much of U/w's stuff. If you're listening to them to find dance music, find something else. Much of their stuff has been, and still is, ambient & moody, with the occasional club anthem strewn in. I find them a unique and rare band (well 2 of them, now), one which actually tries to innovate & mix their own stuff (look actual guitars).

Admittedly, I am biased (met them live several times) and I am more of an ambient/idm fan (ala FSOL & AFX) & some trance (Juno Reactor), and have been for over a decade, so there's your caveat and explanation of my fangirl-ishness.

UW_fangirl, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

They're great live and they're great to dance to when you're off your nuts. What more do you want?

Dirty Dirty Dirty Dirty Vicar, Friday, 25 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link


I could listen to that all day. Or at least for about 4 minutes, when I'd get really irritated and want to bust up something. Still.

For the most part I find Underworld a bit boring but I still have their CDs because I like some of the songs. They're really not a classic or a dud, to be honest. They're more an existance.

Ally, Tuesday, 29 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
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rhamnose, Monday, 18 February 2002 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Underworld for me have always fallen down due to Karl Hyde's lyrics - back-of-a-fag-packet undergraduate cut-up nonsense which at best just distracts and at worst actively spoils the music, turning it from wide-ranging and danceable into a nasty urban noir mess. And his wannabeatnik delivery nobs me off, too.

Strange - that's what initially attracted me to Underworld; and was the first step I took towards electronic/dance music - I hadn't heard any interesting throwaway cutup soundbytes-strung-together fractured- narrative stuff before, and the music seemed to be the perfect accompaniment to this - I couldn't imagine Karl Hyde-isms succeeding over a guitar backdrop etc. And as someone a very long way away indeed from Underworld's BritCity; it seemed oh so very exotic&mysterious&sexy. Inauthenticity of musical tourism, and all that guff; but Underworld were something I could be palpably excited by; and a doorway to a whole new world of music, apologies for RAGING CLICHES.

Ess Kay, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one of the things I like about Underworld is the different moods on the albums. Cowgirl vs. Tongue. Pearls girl vs. Blueski. they do both the rock-out and the chill out pretty well

Ron, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic, classic and more classic. As classic as they get. Once in a while I feel compelled to go back and play everything I have by them: all the albums, seven bootlegs, ten singles. I sometimes have to dig out their remixes too. There's nobody else where I do this.

And I love Karl Hyde's lyrics.

Martin Skidmore, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

curiously enoght it was through underworld that i found this site. i frequently post on the foums at [url]http://www.dirty.org[/url] and fellow poster [b]girlthursday[/b] (minna) posted a link to this site.

i like all of their albums but [i]dubnobass..[/i] is defintely my favourite. i love the fact that the albums contain pure dance floor killers next to more downtempo tracks like [i]dirty epic[/i] and [i] m.e[/i]

they are also jaw-droppingly fantastic live - i've seen them seven times - and they were really the pioneers of taking dance music into the live arena and in so doing paved the way for bands like [b] orbital, chemical brothers[/b] and [/b]the prodigy[/b] to follow in their footsteps.

there's plenty of their live gigs available on audiogalaxy including the superb european club gig. fans should also check out [url] http://www.underworldlive.com[/url] which is an official site where you can download soundboard recordings of some of their gigs as well as some recent studio stuff such as the blue mountain sessions.

matt, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

NOONE HAS MENTIONED "DARK AND LONG", NOONE. Well maybe someone, but it's a classic too.

Ronan, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

does anyone else hear the chords to Brian & Roger Eno's "Always Returning" in "Born Slippy"?
since "Deep Blue Day" (also from Apollo) was in the movie, is this a connection/(not so)hidden-reference?

Paul, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
'luetin' was playing on the radio as i drove home, and afterwards the dj said "Hardcore electronica from Underworld!" which i thought was funny

ron (ron), Friday, 20 September 2002 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Has anyone listened to "Tiny Clicks" and "Headset", the two "vaguely-ambient Underworld nonsense" (as Dan puts it) b-sides on the "Two Months Off" single? Both excellent - "Headsets" in particular is pretty fabulous - and they'd be about the first time I've really warmed to Underworld's non-dancefloor biznizz. Will have to think about getting "A Hundred Days Off" now.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 September 2002 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

The hilarious thing is that "Winjer" is now one of my favorite songs off of _Beaucoup Fish_!

Those two tracks are great. I think I need to live with them a little more before they really sink in, but so far they're much better than, say, the ambient tracks on the "Pearl's Girl" single. (None of them can touch "Tongue", though.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 September 2002 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link

CLASSIC of course, Karl's lyrics and delivery an' all but again i urge you to seek out Underworld's early material if you like a larf...'change the weather', 'underneath the radar' esp. - i can almost see them supporting Talk Talk with It Bites on tour in 1987 hahahaha

blueski, Friday, 20 September 2002 12:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Ronan, Dark & Long dropped into their live sets gets me going.

Alan (Alan), Friday, 20 September 2002 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe we should do a Taking Sides - 'Dark & Long' vs 'Dark & Long (Dark Train)'

blueski, Friday, 20 September 2002 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

"Dark & Long" any day. That bass line is to DIE FOR.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 20 September 2002 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmmm they played Dark Train last time and it was pretty amazing.

Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 21 September 2002 09:51 (eighteen years ago) link

they never played Dark Train or Dark & Long the times i saw them - bastads

blueski, Saturday, 21 September 2002 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
can anybody give me an explanation over the song born slippy? Tell me what is behind the lyrics... thnx

bart, Saturday, 18 January 2003 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Born Slippy is about placentas.

now, on to my ancedote, which is about how the promo vinyl we got for 'King of Snake' was a 12" and os I put it on at 33 and it was SUPER FUNKY like WOW until Karl's vox came in and it sounded like he was a dying robot from planet Opium. So I put it on 45 and it turned into house music, which while quite good was not nearly as enjoyable as the 33 version.

Tom Millar (Millar), Saturday, 18 January 2003 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Dubnobasswithmyheadman- is tHe bEST underworld album. Fav track: Dirty Epic. anyone that don't like that song's gotta be heartless.

whoever (whoever), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 07:26 (seventeen years ago) link

My fav one is Beaucoup Fish. Jumbo sounds more like Wire than Elastica ever did.


mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 09:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought "Spoonman" off "Dubnobass..." was flippin' ace!!! No one I know seems to like it!!!!! Mind you, I like repetitive techno bollox!!!!!!

I also went to one of the concerts (Broadcast on Radio 1!!!!!) at around the time of "Dubnobass...", (The same night as they found the body of Kurt Cobain!!!!) and it was grebt/GRATE/etc!!!!! Unlike the recent "live" album, it was one big long DJ mix style jam, mixing in various bits of their songs. The track on the live album which mixes "Cowgirl" and "Rez" is nearest equivalent- imagine a whole concert like that with most of the tracks from "Dubnobass..." and an early version "Born Slippy"!!!! (I've actually got a tape of it somewhere, taped of the radio...)

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 10:27 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG! I did the same 33-45 mistake with the "Kittens" promo, with the same effect: the slow version easily trumped the "right" version.

Anyways, Underworld is still classic because did I mention that "Tin There" is basically my favorite techno barnburner ever?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't care how much everybody hates it, I think "Underneath the Radar" is a fucking GREAT 80s pop song.

The kickass house/blues romp "Big Mouth" (with some guy named Philadelphia Slim whom I've never heard of on harmonica!!) is another awesome underrated early Underworld song. Underworld kicks ass.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

total classic. however, i was one of those american kids who was rather impressionable when trainspotting came out and when record labels were trying to push 'electronica' down everyone's throats.. but stuff like dubnobassman, second toughest and the pearl's girl maxi single kept me around for good. second toughest is one of the albums ive played more consistantly than anything else over the last 5-6 years.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link


(I'm sorry I won't pimp out that article ever again, this is the millionth time, prob haven't written anything decent for free since, it was 18 months ago)

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic. They're one of the only bands my brother ever turned me on to. Second Toughest, I have to agree, is killer.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 8 January 2004 06:56 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
I am listening to _Beaucoup Fish_ right now and realizing that the only song on it that I dislike is "Bruce Lee".

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link

the thread about electronic music that moves you reminded me of this band.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link


24 hours with the King of Snake. (SNAKE!) (ex machina), Thursday, 20 May 2004 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link

i love Bruce Lee, where does that female monologue come from?

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Hyde's lyrics are starting to annoy me more here and there these days, particularly on Luetin tho that is a fantastic track (a classic case of a track you are just casually listening to, a few minutes pass and then you just hit a moment and realise where you are who you are what's going on etc.)

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 20 May 2004 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I recommend Karl's 4 radio shows for Double J in Australia last month, some pretty funny tangents about music in his life which mostly boil down to listening to music with his dad in the car and really liking spangly clothes

maffew12, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 21:57 (one year ago) link

selections weren't bad either

maffew12, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 21:58 (one year ago) link

Something I might have read here but can’t search on Zing: the entire Change The Weather album was fully written & demoed by Rick on his computer; everyone who heard it thought the Rick electronics + Karl’s vocals & gtr version was great & should be released like that, but Karl threw inauthenticity tantrums until Rick replaced himself with musicians playing rock instruments. Let’s hear THAT deluxe reissue!

lol those two albums are basically Underworld's Kraftwerk 1 & 2

I recall both Freur albums getting re-released on CD but they didn't do anything to improve the quite horrible mastering on Get Us Out Of Here, which is a shame because that is one seriously hooky album

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 22:11 (one year ago) link

An earlier funny thing in that vein: an unnamed New York producer/DJ wanted to remix Shokk The Doctor (b-side of Glory! Glory!, I've just looked up) for clubs. Management and Rick and Alfie all thought this was a great idea, but Karl was so horrified that they might be mistaken for a dance act that he agreed to a meeting with the producer in London and then gave him a lecture about the purity of funk-synth-rock.

(They auditioned for Sire by playing live in a room for Seymour Stein, pressing eject on the tape they'd made of the set, and saying "here's our demo, hope you like it." :D )

those radio shows in full btw - recorded back in June, so there's at least one would-have-been Drift premiere. Four shows themed on the same principles as their WOUW playlists: Balaeric, Groovers, Big Room Bangers and Ambichill, eight and a half hours all up.

Did he do memoirs on the web?

No idea, but on a pure guess + differences in style, I'd figure some of the sub-1-page pieces started on the web as little memory slices, longer chunks were written or expanded for the book.

insecurity bear (sic), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 22:36 (one year ago) link

utter nutter

maffew12, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 22:49 (one year ago) link

realised that 3 of the 4 radio shows are no longer streaming: check Leo on 77

insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 00:38 (one year ago) link

Did he do memoirs on the web? I had the idea the book was just like the "diary" page on underworldlive.com these days.. like a photo of some gum on the ground and a few words from an overhead conversation, lol. Not that I don't enjoy that from time to time.

There are lots of bits like the latter but there's also a fair chunk of memoirs, eg this stretch of entries in August 2013:


groovypanda, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 08:46 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

this is really good


I remember hearing JAL To Tokyo was demoed before its release but I never knew it sounded this different

frogbs, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 20:19 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

^ four days left!

Bleeqwot (sic), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:25 (nine months ago) link

4 days is not enough time to listen to their discography, I report this from recent personal experience.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 21:29 (nine months ago) link

I'm 17 and have been brought up listening I this music and I wish I lived in the 90s


Bleeqwot (sic), Sunday, 24 May 2020 05:13 (nine months ago) link

_I'm 17 and have been brought up listening I this music and I wish I lived in the 90s_


Xpost to the Sad YouTube thread.

Boring, Maryland, Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:50 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

Three-minute acoustic guitar instrumental from Karl on instagram yesterday.

bat ain't Thad (sic), Thursday, 2 July 2020 22:24 (seven months ago) link

two months pass...

Karl is doing a reddit AMA later today


groovypanda, Friday, 18 September 2020 09:04 (five months ago) link

Great AMA, just full of nice Karl vibes

cheek, Saturday, 19 September 2020 15:02 (five months ago) link

Yeah it was funny to see a lotta people ask about reissues and live shows and such, if you know Karl and you want a response ask him about a guitar or someone he once collaborated with 30 years ago

frogbs, Saturday, 19 September 2020 15:13 (five months ago) link

We should've gotten to the bottom of the supposed Glastonbury 91 gig!

I didn't bother posting after I saw there were already questions about more Drift (yes) and doing a new "cover" of "Doot Doot" (no answer).

Favourite detail was that he's obsessed with the app for https://radio.garden

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 19 September 2020 15:23 (five months ago) link

his responses around live improv were interesting. "Around 2000 audiences changed" (???) but when asked if they'd do that kind of thing again, "This is something that we have been talking about for a while and though it's largely not appropriate for most of te events we play it certainly something we have discussed, exploring alternative types of shows..."

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 19 September 2020 15:27 (five months ago) link

two months pass...

5-days-only limited edition collection of Rez merch, I think today might be the last day


One of the items "for sale" is a free MP3 download of "Rez" live at Reading Festival in 1996, they also put it on YouTube and it is..... beyond incredible, like one of my new favorite Underworld things of all time, hoooooly cow


Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 21 November 2020 22:31 (three months ago) link

yeah, it's the version that's at the end of Bootleg Babies, the fan made alternative to the official Everything Everything live album.

StanM, Sunday, 22 November 2020 02:38 (three months ago) link

blew my mind when I heard it there too

if you like that be sure and seek out "European Club Gig" from 1996. simply one of the best gigs ever by any band

frogbs, Sunday, 22 November 2020 02:41 (three months ago) link

there's a remastered and fixed version of that one, by the way, that was made by someone on rtsr.rowla.com, I found it being called Move Club, Cologne ("european club gig" is 3% too fast)

StanM, Sunday, 22 November 2020 02:47 (three months ago) link

bootleg babies can be found at 100greatestbootlegs.blogspot.com (where it's number 148 lol)

and a link to the fixed version of European Club Gig: https://www.reddit.com/r/underworld/comments/5rlcvq/euro_club_gig_aka_19960719_move_club_cologne/

StanM, Sunday, 22 November 2020 10:42 (three months ago) link

the NYE show at Alexander Palace in 1998 is apparently just as good if not even better - haven't found the version that was made in 2017 yet though (I'm not much of a trader so I'm not on rtsr)
( https://www.borndirty.org/forums/showthread.php?t=18437 )

17 minute King Of Snake - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoXXjPZptTw

StanM, Sunday, 22 November 2020 11:08 (three months ago) link

there's a cool jammy feel to that "king of snake"

ufo, Sunday, 22 November 2020 12:06 (three months ago) link

This 1996 Roskilde gig also looks pretty great: https://livebootlegconcert.blogspot.com/2020/02/underworld-live-roskilde-festival.html

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 22 November 2020 14:23 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

We miss all you happy dancing people. Sending love and positivity for 2021... pic.twitter.com/bk9sRMnAR8

— Underworld (@underworldlive) December 20, 2020

shivers me timber (sic), Sunday, 3 January 2021 04:20 (one month ago) link

one month passes...


groovypanda, Friday, 19 February 2021 15:23 (one week ago) link

well thanks for clearing up the "razor/eraser" line

frogbs, Friday, 19 February 2021 15:39 (one week ago) link

lol cute.

new remix is about 18 minutes!

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 19 February 2021 16:49 (one week ago) link

new old mix. "Remix id2 A1804 offers rare insight into Rick’s Romford bedroom studio during the final weeks of mixing the dubnobasswithmyheadman album. It’s a snapshot, a moment in time… "

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 19 February 2021 16:49 (one week ago) link

wowowowowwwwww I love this remix, I think I'm going to cue up the 5-disc dubnobass jawn today

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:16 (six days ago) link

That 5 disc set is the only super expanded edition of any album Ive heard that’s actually worth listening to all the way through

frogbs, Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:59 (six days ago) link

yeah agreed! I mean the Second Toughest and Beaucoup Fish ones are also great but not as replayable imo

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 20 February 2021 17:11 (six days ago) link

What a lesiurely, discursive mix, like wandering around inside the song and checking out the sconces. You wonder how many alt versions of dubnobass might be put together in total. Could they bandcamp a Rick's Dubbed Out Infants Experience or three for every album?

stilt in the wings (sic), Saturday, 20 February 2021 21:08 (six days ago) link

Not just a completely essential 5- disc album but one I wish had another disc for a few more missing mixes!

Vinnie, Sunday, 21 February 2021 10:44 (five days ago) link

this is going into my homespun "dubnobasswithmyheadman super duper deluxe" edition

maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 21 February 2021 13:17 (five days ago) link

^^ mine is seven "discs," but three of them would be double CDs

(plus the two-hour "dubnobass influences" radio mix they did)

stilt in the wings (sic), Sunday, 21 February 2021 21:57 (five days ago) link

now I want to compile all of the remixes that didn't make it onto the superdeluxe, starting with the dark & long 215 thing, sic do yo you actually have one???

holy shit that radio show looks great: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04krs79

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Sunday, 21 February 2021 22:22 (five days ago) link

It's here: https://www.mixcloud.com/UnderworldLive/dubnobass-6mix/

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Sunday, 21 February 2021 23:58 (five days ago) link

I do! And since I just dug out the folders in order to tag the "new" Cowgirl into it, how I break it down to an extent...

[1992] Lemon Interupt & Tomato 12s (9 songs, 1hr 17 - incl 2014 remasters, 2012 masters, and uncollected)
[1993] Underworld 12s (4 songs, 47 min - 2014 remasters + 1 2012)
dubnobasswithmyheadman [2014 Rick remaster/reMIDI]
dubnoluxe: 1993 Live Jam Kyme Rd
dubnoluxe: Previously Unreleased Recordings 1991–1993 ++ (12 songs, 1hr 41 - disc from the box set, plus The Big Meat Show demo/mix from Anthology & Cowgirl A1804)
[1994] dub nob mixes (12 songs, 2hr 13 - mix of remasters from the box and four (56 mins) left off)
[1994] Saved From The Cutting Room Floor mix by the Misterons (256kbps m4a version)

stilt in the wings (sic), Sunday, 21 February 2021 23:59 (five days ago) link


stilt in the wings (sic), Sunday, 21 February 2021 23:59 (five days ago) link

What abt that early DAT version of dubnobass?

Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 22 February 2021 00:29 (four days ago) link

Organ and Can You Feel Me are in high-quality on the Previously Unreleased disc, I have the long River Of Bass and the DAT version of Big Meat Show tagged in a three-and-a-half hour catch-all Mixes And Reworks compilation*. Everything else is the same as the final album, so it doesn't really hold up as a necessary alt-universe relisten imo.

*(that at some point I half-intend to break down into notably different mixes and "mostly the same but a different length." it's mainly a place to put things that I don't have in "As and Bangers 1997-2019" (2hr 50) or "Bs and Sidetracks 1992-2018" (2hr 24) )

stilt in the wings (sic), Monday, 22 February 2021 00:54 (four days ago) link

I hope a super deluxe version of Oblivion With Bells is coming soon, I bet a 4 disc set of that stuff would be just as great

frogbs, Monday, 22 February 2021 00:57 (four days ago) link

If they didn't skip A Hundred Days Off, which would be easier to put together - one disc of B-sides / 020202 / NUXX'03, one disc of unreleased if there's anything worth pulling together, plus the Tomato PS2 soundtrack if they need to pad it out.

Certainly if they're holding off on Drift 2 until they can tour again, lockdown 2020 would have been a great time to compile Oblivion With Box, to release in lockdown 2021.

oh wait ha we did this almost two years ago

apparently much of the Sunshine soundtrack, most of the Breaking & Entering soundtrack and all (?) of Oblivion With Bells came out of the work that started as the Riverrun sessions ... easily four discs just covering November 2005 to June 2006, let alone the rest of the decade.

stilt in the wings (sic), Monday, 22 February 2021 02:12 (four days ago) link

Does anyone remember a drum n' bass track called "Swing Up High" that was offered up for download on underworldlive.com a decade or so ago? It fuckin' ruled!!

― frogbs, Friday, June 14, 2019 2:29 PM

there were two versions of this given away, from circa May 2004, and they played a handful of demos while guest-hosting for Peel in October, so there's enough to scrape a barrel for a three-disc AHDO, eg:


8 Ball (The Beach OST 2000) 8:55
020202 (Old Mix) 6:04
Tiny Clicks 2:16
Headset 5:59
Like A Swimmer 5:26
Ansum 16:17
Born Slippy Nuxx (Rick's 2003 Down Ambient Mix) 4:54
020202 (New Mix) 6:35
Twist (extended Ansum version) 8:46


Dinosaur Adventure 3D (R.C.M. Version) 8:09
Two Months Off (King Unique Sunspots - Vocal Mix) 8:17
the girl (Mr & Mrs Christmas) 1:32
Swing Up High (Version 1) 5:20
dinner at rods (Mr & Mrs Christmas) 3:36
Dinosaur Adventure 3D (Funk D'void Vocal Remix) 7:53
choppo (Mr & Mrs Christmas) 2:31
Two Months Off (John Ciafone Vocal Remix) 7:32
the melon man (Mr & Mrs Christmas) 2:01
Born Slippy Nuxx (Rick's 2003 12" Mix) 7:02
belfort novatel kipper (Mr & Mrs Christmas) 1:00
Swing Up High (Radical Version) 7:08

though tbh two discs is probably enough

stilt in the wings (sic), Monday, 22 February 2021 03:55 (four days ago) link

well I guess "h" tags don't work with carriage returns?

stilt in the wings (sic), Monday, 22 February 2021 03:56 (four days ago) link

this "influences" mix is great, thanks sic!

Sven Vath's scary carpet (Neil S), Monday, 22 February 2021 13:49 (four days ago) link

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