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I couldn't find a thread here just dedicated to them in general.

I recently bought the Vacation album because I heard a real interesting song from it (not the title track, obv.) I used to have the Talk Show album and liked it at the time, but ultimately it didn't stick.

I was wondering if anyone has opinions on Vacation specifically or which of their albums is agreed to be the best, etc.

Bimble, Sunday, 20 May 2007 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link

dunno much - i have Beauty and the Beat and it sounds pretty great

Surmounter, Sunday, 20 May 2007 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Well certainly I'd be more hip if I had that one! ;)

Bimble, Sunday, 20 May 2007 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link

I recently bought the Vacation album because I heard a real interesting song from it (not the title track, obv.) I

SO RONG

Steve Shasta, Sunday, 20 May 2007 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link

God Bless the Go-Go's is nowhere near as bad as reviews would have you believe.

SeekAltRoute, Sunday, 20 May 2007 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I haven't listened to God Bless since it came out, but there's some good stuff on it. I was a big fan during their heyday. B&B is the best, but each album has songs worth hearing. "We Don't Get Along" comes to mind as far as Vacation goes.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 20 May 2007 09:03 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I'm amazed no one's praised Talk show.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 00:47 (twelve years ago) link

Been thinking of that one lately. Maybe I'll pull it out tonight. "Head Over Heels" shreds.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Tuesday, 16 September 2008 01:26 (twelve years ago) link

That's a great idea. I should try to play that album again tonight.

Steve Shasta's post upthread made me think perhaps I gave the impression I don't like the song "Vacation" and this is completely incorrect.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 00:45 (twelve years ago) link

talk show is still out of print, isn't it?

akm, Wednesday, 17 September 2008 05:27 (twelve years ago) link

Head Over Heels! They were so CUTE!!! Belinda should have kept that hairstyle for the rest of her life, I'm sorry.

Also I just d/l the "Talk Show" album. Haven't heard it since I was 13, but we'll see...

The More You Live The Faster You Will Die (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Monday, 29 September 2008 05:34 (eleven years ago) link

"head over heels" probably ties "vacation" for my favorite go-go's single. love the piano. video also reminds me that jane wiedlin was always my #1 crush in this band.

tipsy mothra, Monday, 29 September 2008 05:58 (eleven years ago) link

speaking of which ....

things i didn't know about jane wiedlin.

tipsy mothra, Monday, 29 September 2008 06:02 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

I am really enjoying Lust to Love -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVMbHXb4ap4

i am giving you the caesar salad of compliments (Nijoli), Friday, 24 September 2010 03:18 (nine years ago) link

Oh, that song is incredible -- my favorite of theirs.

raging hetero lifechill (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 September 2010 03:34 (nine years ago) link

eight months pass...

Reunion tour:

http://www.gogos.com/

Love, love, love Return to the Valley of the Go-Go's but will go back and check out the good non-hits and later recordings I missed or forgot. I still think "Our Lips Are Sealed" is the greatest music video of all time, and it's one of my favorite singles ever. So oddly complacent yet transcendent, cool but enjoying itself, as removed and beautiful as a hopeless crush object.

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 30 May 2011 16:30 (nine years ago) link

If you follow the Redd Kross Facebook page you get updates on everything that their wives and friends are doing as well. So I found out that they showed up on Dancing With The Stars last week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnocEUwtJms

everything, Monday, 30 May 2011 16:56 (nine years ago) link

They still sound so great on that. I love them speeding up to, it feels right. Just ran across Greil Marcus on the album in 1981:

Beneath the surface of this music--rather, rising to the surface--is a lot of pathos, nerve, toughness, some bitterness; in a word, experience. Beauty and the Beat sounds innocent mostly because we have learned to associate innocence with the sound of joy; if the album has a message, it's that it takes toughness and nerve to make that sound.

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 00:42 (nine years ago) link

marcus in the early '80s was on fire, just one terrific piece after another. 'in the fascist bathroom' is still prob my favorite rockwrite book.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 20:29 (nine years ago) link

^^^ mine too. Love the review of the early New Order performance too.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 20:30 (nine years ago) link

that DWTS performance was incredible; I've never heard Belinda sound that good, ever

Tom Skerritt Mustache Ride (DJP), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 20:31 (nine years ago) link

WHOA. That lower voice suits her.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 20:32 (nine years ago) link

Kathy Valentine has been posting her memoirs on Twitter (oddly enough, it works great) and is well worth reading.

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Wednesday, 1 June 2011 21:19 (nine years ago) link

http://twitter.com/kathy_valentine

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 21:26 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

*sigh*

Former Go-Go's Bassist Sues Bandmates

Former Go-Go’s bassist Kathy Valentine is suing four of her former bandmates, claiming they are attempting to “deprive her” of her full stake in the legendary female-fronted band.

According to the complaint filed Friday with the Los Angeles Superior Court, Valentine is entitled to a 20 percent share of the band’s revenues as a one-fifth member of both Ladyhead LLC and Smith-Pocket Industries, Inc. – the entities authorized to conduct the group’s business.

The complaint alleges Go-Go’s members Belinda Carlisle, Jane Wiedlin, Charlotte Caffey and Gina Schock have created a new entity, GoGoCo Corp., in order to use their majority control of Ladyhead to “license the band’s name, brand and trademark” to GoGoCo and "dilute the Plaintiff’s share of band revenues.” It goes on to claim the defendants executed this plan to “freeze out” Valentine in part to keep her off the band’s planned 2013 tour.

The suit says these moves would reduce Valentine’s 20 percent share in the band to 2 percent and would cost her “substantially more” than $1 million, though the exact amount will be “proven at trial.”

Valentine played with the Go-Go’s for more than 30 years, contributing to hits including “Head Over Heels” and “The Whole World Lost its Head.” The band announced in March it had parted ways with her due to “irreconcilable differences

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 27 May 2013 01:35 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

this band made no dent in the UK whatsoever so this is all new to me but it's great
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7378161/the-go-gos-we-got-the-beat-35th-anniversary-interview-billboard-music-awards

piscesx, Friday, 20 May 2016 23:51 (four years ago) link

felt bad for the one who got ditched (and the editing didn't really require having her namedrop her next band *twice*)

mookieproof, Saturday, 21 May 2016 00:00 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

(ahem)

(better than "Vacation" aside from a couple of tracks. Kathy Valentine's "Apology" is especially great.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61RoEcx5llL._SY355_.jpg

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 26 December 2018 15:23 (one year ago) link

I'm not as familiar with it as I should, and, yes, the backing vocals on the chorus to "Apology" sound terrific.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 December 2018 15:35 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Cinemax Album Flash special on Talk Show: Come for the hot live in the rehearsal studio takes on "I'm The Only One" and "Yes or No", stay to ponder just how coked-up the ladies are in their respective interview segments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnn3MZpKlk4

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:35 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Pleasant Gehman's new podcast "The Devil's Music" opens with a lively chat with Belinda Carlisle featuring tales of the early LA punk demimonde and the Go-Go's in their starvation days

Josefa, Monday, 1 June 2020 22:26 (three months ago) link

Thanks for the recommendation!

peace, man, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 17:24 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

new Showtime doc is great

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 1 August 2020 22:39 (one month ago) link

Psyched to see that after reading Kathy Valentine's book. The Go-Go's story seems more incredible the more you look at it and put it into perspective.

Josefa, Saturday, 1 August 2020 22:56 (one month ago) link

it really is

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 1 August 2020 23:07 (one month ago) link

Biggest surprise for me (SPOILER ALERT) was that the last-second replacement Go-Go, Paula Jean Brown, wrote Belinda’s first big solo hit.

And it’s funny, I vividly remember hearing Casey Kasem on American Top 40 introduce “Head Over Heels” by talking about how the Go-Go’s had cleaned up and gotten sober prior to recording Talk Show. Obviously, that wasn’t the case.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 1 August 2020 23:14 (one month ago) link

Just check out that Cinemax special I linked to upthread, because Belinda showing off her Troll doll collection and Kathy giving an interview in full evening wear while riding an exercise bike is totally sane and sober behavior.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 1 August 2020 23:31 (one month ago) link

If my friend Melissa Henry were to ever Google herself I really hope she lands on this thread, because she is without a doubt the biggest Go-Go's fan I've ever known and would be able to make lots of helpful contributions to this thread. And she has absolutely been raving about the Showtime documentary for DAYS.

We Live as We Dee, Alone (deethelurker), Saturday, 1 August 2020 23:54 (one month ago) link

I recreened URGH!: A Music War for the umpteenth time last week. The Go-Gos clip is one of the numerous highlights; you can already tell they were gonna be huge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaZiYv5Chio

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 1 August 2020 23:55 (one month ago) link

four weeks pass...

n 2020, a documentary movie about the band premiered at Sundance, directed by Allison Ellwood after the band saw her work on the 2013 History of the Eagles documentary. In the US, the movie was seen on television on Showtime. The documentary features the formation and rise of the band through the 1980s breakup, skipping the lawsuits and reunions through the 1990s-2010s, ending with a 2019 reunion. On July 31, 2020, the Go-Go's released their first new song in 19 years, "Club Zero," which is featured in the documentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL_ZxNpPejE&feature=emb_title

Bee OK, Monday, 31 August 2020 01:10 (three weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL_ZxNpPejE&feature=emb_title

Bee OK, Monday, 31 August 2020 01:11 (three weeks ago) link

let's try this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23_LkaLE29k

Bee OK, Monday, 31 August 2020 01:14 (three weeks ago) link

really great doc

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 31 August 2020 01:33 (three weeks ago) link

Has Kathy Valentine’s book been discussed?

Two Little Hit Parades (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 August 2020 02:43 (three weeks ago) link

Yes, I see it has been mentioned.

Two Little Hit Parades (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 August 2020 02:43 (three weeks ago) link

I love this band more in the last few year than I ever did.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 September 2020 23:17 (two weeks ago) link

So much so that you made a vary rare- for you- typo.

Quit It And Hit It Sideways (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 September 2020 23:34 (two weeks ago) link

How vary?

Mark G, Monday, 7 September 2020 23:35 (two weeks ago) link

Ha, not very rare for me though

Quit It And Hit It Sideways (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 September 2020 23:43 (two weeks ago) link

Watched the doc today. It was good. For some reason I always perceived Charlotte as the goody goody of that band, but I was obvs pretty off the mark. Kinda feel bad about even listening to Talk Show now considering how destructive it was for everyone involved.

At least I learned "Mad About You" was originally going to be a Go-Go's song, which makes a ton of sense. It's pretty atypical of Belinda's solo repertoire.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 03:16 (two weeks ago) link

For a thread specifically for the Go-Go's, there is a distinct absence of Go-Go's.

(Unless you're all using fake names. Fess up, gals!)

Hideous Lump, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 01:21 (one week ago) link

I was so impressed with how each member came off like her own person. I didn't know Wiedlin and Schock dated! And Kathy Valentine, as I suspected, is as smart and sharp as her songs.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 01:41 (one week ago) link

i loved their manager, she seemed so cool & smart! i mean, saving them from giving up publishing alone. #hero
many stories go differently with bad early managers. was genuinely moved by how much she seemed to care about them before they gave her up

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 01:44 (one week ago) link

and i would watch a whole doc about their tour of England w the Specials

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 01:45 (one week ago) link

I didn't realize until a few years ago that every Go-Go except Belinda wrote songs. Talk Show boasted every combination, and they could all write.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 01:45 (one week ago) link

yeah that was a fascinating detail

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 01:52 (one week ago) link

No song doctors or studio musicians.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 01:53 (one week ago) link

I think a couple of future Go-gos accompanied Terry Graham on the Sex Pistols tour of the Southern States. Think he went out with one for a while, certainly hung out with some of them in the Masque days of LA punk.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 07:34 (one week ago) link

In hindsight something seems a bit rash about the Go-Go's original breakup. Though it's idle speculation I wonder what a Wiedlin-less 4th Go-Go's album in 1985 would've sounded like. Charlotte says they had no songs at that point, but if Paula Jean had "Mad About You" maybe she had others. Was Belinda already fully committed to a softer sound or would Kathy have fought back to keep it hard-edged à la Talk Show. Or would it have been some kind of hybrid compromise.

Josefa, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 23:17 (one week ago) link

If they had allowed Weidlin to sing lead on a couple of the songs that she had written she might not have quit, then they could have continued without Belinda Carlisle she she went off for a solo career. A Belinda-less 4th album sounds better than a Wiedlin-less one.

everything, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 23:41 (one week ago) link

I thought the story about "Forget That Day" was an urban myth

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 23:45 (one week ago) link

It is in that new documentary.

everything, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 23:49 (one week ago) link

I've ordered Kathy Valentine's book but it's not here yet. Fully intend to watch the doc too.

I've always loved them, but I secretly suspect that part of the spark for reawakening interest might just be the renewed presence of Bill & Ted (onnaconna how Jane Wiedlin played Joan of Arc, donchaknow, omg I am an OLD)

the hardline according to shrimp on the b'arby (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 September 2020 00:01 (one week ago) link

Kathy Valentine emerges as the best songwriter.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 September 2020 00:02 (one week ago) link

Every tune that Kathy had a hand in writing is a good one.

That said, "Vacation" is a textbook example of turning a good song (that Kathy brought) into a classic after Charlotte wrote a new chorus and Jane rewrote the opening lyric. That plus the group's fantastic arrangement and Gottehrer's production.

Josefa, Thursday, 10 September 2020 00:30 (one week ago) link

No quarrel with that. I think Charlotte's best contribution remains "Head Over Heels."

the hardline according to shrimp on the b'arby (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 September 2020 00:54 (one week ago) link

which is also like one of the best songs in existence, so.

the hardline according to shrimp on the b'arby (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 September 2020 00:54 (one week ago) link

and Valentine co-wrote it

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 September 2020 01:55 (one week ago) link

I'd love to go back in time and see them again -- tied for the loudest show I've been to, louder than Sunn O))), louder than Faust.

I can hear the scampi beating as one (WmC), Thursday, 10 September 2020 02:15 (one week ago) link

Wiedlin's first solo album is a bit of drag, but I'll vouch for Fur and Tangled pretty unreservedly.

Belinda's albums were never not spotty, but some damn good singles.

Charlotte's album as The Graces isn't phenomenal or anything, but "Lay Down Your Arms" is one of the best singles by anybody in the Poppy Bush Interzone.

Never heard House of Schock, but I probably should.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 September 2020 03:20 (one week ago) link

I don't remember the rest of Wiedlin's first album (which I picked up for 99 cents in a cutout bin a few years after it came out), but "Blue Kiss" is a fine tune.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 10 September 2020 03:32 (one week ago) link

Oh hey, House of Schock is pretty good (but not sure I had high expectations, so gauge accordingly).

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 10 September 2020 03:55 (one week ago) link

Let us not forget Cool Places

velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 September 2020 11:16 (one week ago) link

Remarkable to me how late into Vacation the chorus arrives. I mean it's not *that* late but ..further into the song than most bands would put it.

Extraordinary how little attention the recieved over here, none of their big hits went anywhere, and even Beauty And The Beat did nowt.

https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/4803/go-gos/

piscesx, Thursday, 10 September 2020 11:43 (one week ago) link

And once the chorus in Vacation arrives the song doesn't ever return to the verse, just the "One week without you..." bridge-y part. This is another change from Kathy Valentine's original version.

Josefa, Thursday, 10 September 2020 12:28 (one week ago) link

I'm slightly obsessed with this Rockpalast video from 1982. (For the curious, "Vacation" starts around 35 minutes in; "Our Lips Are Sealed" about 46; "We Got the Beat" at 56.) Everything one could plausibly say about this band is true. Pop or punk? Yes. Serious or fun? Yes. A live act or a studio creation? Yes.

I didn't see them live in this period (partly because I was 10 years old). I did see them much later, on one of those nostalgia bills with Psychedelic Furs and B-52s. Fun, but it must have been quite something to see them when they were at their peak.

velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 September 2020 15:16 (one week ago) link

Extraordinary how little attention the recieved over here, none of their big hits went anywhere, and even Beauty And The Beat did nowt.

https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/4803/go-gos/

― piscesx, Thursday, September 10, 2020 7:43 AM (

yet y'all loved Belinda Carlisle! Go figure.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 September 2020 15:19 (one week ago) link

There is something in their aesthetic that seems very American, but it would be hard to define precisely.

Like, a cheerful surface sheen with teeth beneath. Vs. I guess a more British mode of the time is a surface of purported gloom, with joy beneath (lots of Cure and Smiths has this aspect).

As soon as I type that I realize it's riddled with exceptions and caveats so I should probably just shut up.

velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 September 2020 15:25 (one week ago) link

That Rockpalast show is awesome. IIRC, at some point Caffey fumbles the opening riff on one of the songs, and you can see Carlisle quickly hop over to her and kind of pat her shoulder.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 10 September 2020 15:27 (one week ago) link

C. Grisso/McCain, I love it all so much. For all her dorky white-girl arm-swinging, Carlisle has a determined, possibly tired, air. Caffey is self-critical and precise. Valentine and Schock are solid professionals at this point. Weidlin alone appears to be having a good time, bopping about in furry boots and a swishy skirt, then her tone is so greBt in the bridge of "Our Lips Are Sealed." I love seeing seemingly effortless performances that nevertheless reveal how much fucking WORK went into them.

velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 September 2020 16:35 (one week ago) link

xpost It was really difficult for new bands to get popular on both sides of the Atlantic back then. Devo, B-52s, Psychedelic Furs etc did next to nothing in the UK, while bands that were huge in the UK like Specials, Human League, Squeeze etc couldn't do anything in the US.

everything, Thursday, 10 September 2020 16:54 (one week ago) link

“couldn’t do anything” perhaps not quite the right assessment of the Human League’s US chart career: two #1 hits, one more that went top 10, plus three lower-charting top 40 hits.

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Thursday, 10 September 2020 18:41 (one week ago) link

(they only had one UK number one!)

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Thursday, 10 September 2020 18:42 (one week ago) link

So I have the Valentine book and am reading it. So far my favorite thing is meeting Jane Wiedlin.

Jane is described as elfin - but not metaphorically, as in, impish or cute, but actually frickin dressed as an elf. Like literally, in green felt with a pointy hat and curly shoes.

velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 12 September 2020 00:18 (one week ago) link

I loved that frosted album that Jane did.

Was pleased to see it's on Spotify:
https://open.spotify.com/album/2wYTkj39bBAvQcOtpJJ4fW?si=zk5tpz_lRKKEiLNxtNt6JQ

I had it on cassette back in the day but got rid of them all about a year ago.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 12 September 2020 00:45 (one week ago) link

Oh shit I'd completely forgotten about Frosted

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 12 September 2020 01:05 (one week ago) link


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