101 reasons why punk sucks

Yes. It's uncool to protest now for young people. Punk and anarchy are for the Dads.

punk is gay too, though.

Only if you're Pansy Division

or any number of other flaming bands. though it is gay in the other bad way, too.

I like Bad Brains, Minor Threat, Black Flag. Most punk is dull and drunk and thuddy. I prefer taut and sinewy and volatile. In college I used to get annoyed at the cultural hegemony of punk among non-frat white kids, but I went to school in lolJersey.

Every once in a while I'll throw on ramones first album, dead boys, stooges, germs. It's all dumb fun, and mixes things up from the other stuff I listen to.

I obviously missed this thread (I was out of the country) but I would have said probably a lot of the same stuff I said here:

are there still punks?

I think USA people have a really different experience of current punk subculture because our scene's origins and history are as much 1980 hardcore explosion as 1977 Britain. Also, especially in the peace punk world there have been a lot of feedback loops over the years between scenes. I like hurting's analogy and prefer stuff of a similar stripe, or else weird political peacecore like Crass or Poison Girls.

The house I co-own booked all-ages alcohol-free punk shows for the last six years. We just stopped (not really for any particular reason other than general burnout) although we would still do some shows under very special circumstances. It has been very interesting for me as an older dude (41) to deal with shows involving lots of kids (and their parents! and grandparents! and younger siblings!) and to watch them grow up and find their own voices. The punk experience is in large part what you make of it and it was cool to watch these kids check it out. Lots of frustrations (drunkenness, apathy, boring bands, idiocy, but notably almost no violence) but also rewards (successful benefits for people in prison, great random bands, turning people on to information/history/music).

There are many reasons why it sucks. It still has a lot to offer as history, as music, as philosophy and aesthetics. And perhaps more importantly, it is a potential gateway to a vast world of subculture, some of which might still have something of value to offer in the face of world-blighting commodification.

it is a potential gateway to a vast world of subculture

yeah, dada, situationism, that whole weird Autonomous Mutant Festival thing, you know.

Another reason punk sucks is this horrendous new CD single by Mick Jones and Tony James' new band whose name I will not speak.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/1978-Now-Subway-Sect/dp/B000PHVXTA

I was born in 1979

Well, there's your fuckin' problem right there, twerp.

Yeah real punks are old and reverent for old music

I don't recall saying that.

Has any musical movement had as many books written about it, aggrandising it as some kind of revolutionary force, as punk?

Try Hip Hop.

the idea of not liking genres is sort of weird in itself.

"Punk."

Lol @ "hating punk."

a young kid starting a crappy punk band and calling it Minor Threat without having heard of the more famous Minor Threat is way more punk than anything on this thread will ever be.

you know what really sucks though? getting ebola

you know what sucks brilliantly? bobby joe ebola and the children mcnuggets

I like it.

punk was once an answer to years of crap a way of saying no when we'd always said yep

Old punks are starting to become part of the political and media establishment in just the same way as the Baby Boomers have been, and I find their lording it over of popular culture really fucking annoying

ok by this logic the Smiths fans should just be creeping up on us.

http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=91275&rendTypeId=4

oh shit

Punk sucks because we WANT you to hate us! NYEEEEAAAAHHHHH!

(psyche. I don't care much for anything outside of the Ramones, but I was channeling someone whose voice needed to be heard)

This thread blew. He1ge50n was pretty alright.

people thing modern country is some sort of vast wasteland, except all the dudes actually discussing it on the rolling country thread or my friend nate who just made me a mix CD of a bunch of good modern (not alt) country doodz that's actually really great

I'm interested in this^^^
What was on it? Apart from one or two select tracks by Brad Paisley and the Dixie Chicks I've had a rough time breaking away from all the old outlaw stuff and into what's currently going on. Where should I look? (that is if you come back around this thread's way, M@tt)

I am really, really, really bored by most punk rock these days.
I was way into punk in high school, but now so much of it sounds the same, the politics are bland and unconvincing, and the whole thing seems like a lame pose. Also, it's too fast most of the time. And recorded poorly.

Most punk is dull and drunk and thuddy. I prefer taut and sinewy and volatile.

There's so much great punk stuff that fits both these bills, new and old. And both can be done badly or, er.... radly. Overall, the points about dismissing shit according to genre pretty much sum things up.

xpost Rabies/Matt..... I've also been curious about which new country stuff is great. I live in the UK, but it seems that many people who consider themselves country fans need to add a disclaimer about '....but none of this slick new stuff etc.'. It seems like one of the most (presumably unfairly) maligned musics out there. Which typically means there's load of great stuff going unnoticed!

wrt new country stuff...most of my experience w/it is from a good friend of mine that only listens to country and he really keeps track of stuff, he doesn't really like "alt country" at all, so it's mostly mid to low level new country dudes from the south....here's the tracklist of a mix he made for me that i really enjoyed, might give you some stuff to seek out (obv a few you've probably heard of but most probably not)

Longfall - Lost Trailers
Out of Here Tonight Great Divide
Jar of Clay - Pinmonkey
Another Six Pack Under - Rick Trevino
Georgia Hard - Robbie Fulks
Hair of the Dog - Shooter Jennings
10 Years Pass - Sunny Sweeney
18 Wheels - Fred Eaglesmith
Empty Seat Behind Me - Chris Wall & Reckless Kelly
30 Years Crazy - Cisco & the Reasons Why
Houston - Doug Moreland
Showman's Life - Buddy Miller
Devil Behind the Wheel - Chris Knight
Really Never Loved Her Anyway - Trent Summar
I Hung My Head - Blue Highway
Vegas - Two Tons of Steel
Calling All Cars - Mike McClure
Different Today - Hacienda Brothers
State Line - Cooder Graw
Whiskey Wings - Dean Miller
Low Down - Hank Williams III

30 Years Crazy - Cisco & the Reasons Why

this song is so fucking great i love it.

And recorded poorly.

that's pretty harsh coming from a siltbreeze fan!

I stumbled across some thrashy punk record label from arizona on myspace recently and friended them. it's fun, like finding a stegosaurus in your rose bush.

Haha, I was reading the titles/artits backwards and I thought there was a Jars Of Clay song on there. M@tt, thanks, this should be awesome. I'm not really into alt-country either, so possibly his tastes and mine are somewhat aligned.

I am really, really, really bored by most punk rock these days.
I was way into punk in high school, but now so much of it sounds the same, the politics are bland and unconvincing, and the whole thing seems like a lame pose. Also, it's too fast most of the time. And recorded poorly.

-- ian, Tuesday, 6 May 2008 14:00 (2 hours ago) Link

I can't stomach most of the political soapboxing in punk so I avoid that stuff. There's a ton where that's completely non-existent so it's not an issue. I guess if you don't care for the fidelity that can be a problem, it's pretty much an intentional aesthetic a lot of the time... unless you're Turbo Negro (these days) or the Black Halos or something. And if you can distance yourself, which is pretty impossible sometimes, the lame pose is part of the appeal, part of the charm.

I went through a similar trial, I got into punk initially in high school (lol punk-o-rama), and like a lot of people I became disillusioned. You know, the big mistake of trying to take 19-year-old Ian MacKaye seriously, and, for me, getting out of my town of 4,000 and meeting "punks" did not help. It really took some years, and it took discovering some new bands (and bands that were new to me) to get back into it. Basically it was finding Killed By Death comps and termbo, and some of the weirder-flavored bands that sparked it again for me.

that should read, "titles/artists"

reason numba' one-oh-one: sid vicous's mum

punk's DIY philosophy = classic
punk rock = meh (for the most part)
punks = super duper dud

Is rave now becoming part of the political and media establishment?

it? It is.

thanks punk rock you did a good job and often still do

good posts in this thread, matt :)