Blue Oyster Cult: Classic or Dud?

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Former rock critics wrote lyrics with them (Richard Meltzer, Patti Smith, Sandy Pearlman).

I always thought BOC was a much better band on record than on stage.

Live, the band always just sounded like another 70s rock boogie band. But the recording studio always seemed to be the place where they shined most (Agents of Fortune, Spectres, Mirrors).

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rockcrit88, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Love BOC about as much as I hate 'em. Horribly uneven band. Some great, great songs, but even their best albums are patchy. Never saw 'em live, and the live recordings I've heard haven't convinced me I missed much.

I'll say classic just out of fascination with perversity. But it seems like futile gesture.

Pye Poudre, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/-marhari-/MoreCowbell.jpg

NYCNative, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Secret Treaties is very classic.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link

classic. one of my fave bands. buy all of these:


Blue Öyster Cult
Tyranny and Mutation
Secret Treaties
Agents of Fortune
Spectres
Mirrors
Cultösaurus Erectus
Fire of Unknown Origin
The Revölution by Night



and *on your feet or on your knees* too.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Should've been classic, given their obvious intelligence, humor (some of their song titles are laugh-out-loud funny), and taste in collaborators. But aside from a handful of classic tunes, I haven't found much there after years of trying to like them. I think they sold 999 records to bongloading teens for every one they sold to someone who "got" them.

Although, Buck Dharma (nee Donald Roeser) has to be one of the top 10 rock pseudonyms of all time.

The Deacon, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Scott and Trip Maker OTM, everyone else not. If you have to spend time worrying about whether or not people liked them for the right reasons, you need another hobby yo. Plus: bongloading teens are people too!

Dimension 5ive, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Their records sound good and sometimes give me gigglefits.

good enough for me.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link

bombers at 12 o'clock high!

BOC was awesome...never really a heavy-metal band, they were more rooted in boogie ("Red And Black", "Dominance & Submission", "I'm On The Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep") and pop ("Celestial The Queen", "Goin' Through The Motions")...excellent ballads, too ("I Love The Night", "Debby Denise", "In Thee")...I could go on and on...Eric Bloom's vocals were always a bit overwrought, but during the span cited by scott above, they could do little wrong...

henry s, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Stalk-Forrest Group album is my favorite. OK, I've said it before!

U know it bears repeating!

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic. A solid hard-rock band and the first meta-metal band, and almost unfailingly funny. Sort of the Dictators of arena rock.

fife, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:17 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.hotrails.co.uk/images/intro/newcastle75.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:33 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.everythingsg.com/celebs/abouchard.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.everythingsg.com/celebs/BOC-tour1.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:35 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.everythingsg.com/celebs/dharma1.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Does anyone know if any of the recordings of them with Les Braunstein on vocals (Soft White Underbelly sessions - 1st attempt at LP for Elektra) have ever surfaced?

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Steve Holtje got into an argument on someone's Blog recently in response to an article about Hipster Metal that went something like this:

Blogger: Hipster Metal is ironic and real metal was never ironic.
Steve: BOC was metal and ironic!
Blogger: They were not metal but I'll give you ironic.

I was with Steve on this one. Sure BOC had some non-metal moments but at the time they were deemed metal and how can you not call a band metal when they definied it in their prime?

NYCNative, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Everyone at the time would have called BOC metal, same as early Led Zeppelin. In the 80s metal became a social category whose gatekeepers had to weed out the non-purists. Retroactively a lot of 70s bands didn't seem to make the cut.

fife, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Search these for sure :

Stalk-Forrest Group album
Blue Oyster Cult
Tyranny & Mutation
Secret Treaties
Agents of Fortune (side 1)

and about a couple of albums worth of odd tracks from the rest. Imaginos was way underwhelming when it finally came out, too much fucking Aldo Nova. I didn't see them till the 1980's by which time it was merely fair-to-middling.

Any love for Club Ninja?

Matt #2, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:00 (fifteen years ago) link

I think BOC saw themselves as heavy metal in the Burroughsian sense rather than the arena rock sense. Sandy Pearlman did anyway.

Matt #2, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Whatever that means.

Matt #2, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link

OK - for me that involved a narrowing of the aesthetic. Meltzer has said likewise, I think, or something related. That is why Stalk-Forrest Group album feels fresh to me while the later albums, much as I might like things on 'em, feel boxed in.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link

And even Stalk-Forrest Group album has too much west coast stonerism going on, really.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link

You can have too much?

Matt #2, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:07 (fifteen years ago) link

SO classic. The American Black Sabbath couldn't match Sabbath's metal purity and conviction, but they made up for it in variety, singing, lyrics (thanks to those collaborators), melody, humour, arcane mysterioso dread, all that. And unlike Sabbath, they eventually succumbed to clueless AOR crap ("Burnin' For You" was superior AOR crap), but at least they had 10 good years.

(Sorry if I'm just repeating stuff already said on this thread - can't read it thoroughly while the teacher's looking)

Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:09 (fifteen years ago) link

I saw BOC live last year, doing the state fair rounds. they know what they are, a jukebox fulla great tunes, and they delivered. they even did "shooting shark" and "veteran of the psychic wars".

when they launched into "godzilla" crowd members young and old became a sea of stomping, bobbing heads. I don't care what year yr in, that's heavy and it's metal.

a buddy of mine's been working on an article on them. he's a freelancer but he doesn't usually do music stuff so he's not even sure where to shop it. he just likes the band and it was an excuse to interview Eric Bloom. anybody got any tips?

Edward III, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:13 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm looking at about three shows this year -- Rochester, Naperville, and there was one other one I was eyeing, i'd have to check their website.

anyway, obviously totally classic, and still a good live show.

Surely there are about 10 BOC threads already?

Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:18 (fifteen years ago) link

that's what i thought, but there isn't an actual C&D/S&D thread.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link

though there are other threads.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:22 (fifteen years ago) link

I think the game plan was to send up genre conventions (solos, occultism, arena banter) and make a quick buck off of them. Within those limitations they were good.

fife, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Classic! I've been listening to Agents of Fortunes, Spectres, and Cultosaurus Erectus on a fairly heavy rotation the last couple weeks. And I have a little bit of love for Club Ninja. "Perfect Water" and "Dancing in the Ruins" are both great. I wrote a little thing about why I like them on my music blog:

Why the fascination with azure mollusk fanatics? Well, they were one of the first bands that I sort of stumbled upon following the inevitable "wait, Dave Matthews Band and Hootie & The Blowfish sort of suck, I wonder what else is out there" revelation. I mean, besides the obvious stuff like Black Sabbath and Guns and Roses. This was a band that I found myself! Well, I probably found it through hearing the song "Godzilla" in a great music video on the late, lamented TNT show Monster Vision, but you get the idea. That lead me to believe that they were a joke band, but I purchased the excellent two-disc anthology Workshop of the Telescopes on a whim, and loved it. Hell, by this point I've worn out the second disc, the one with all their poppy stuff on it. Basically, what I love about Blue Oyster Cult is that they were probably the smartest 70s hard rock/proto-metal band. Alice Cooper was clever, sure, Black Sabbath were scary, Deep Purple more overdriven, KISS bigger dumber fun, Led Zeppelin just more, but BOC were the most articulate and intelligent lyricists. Plus, they had great tunes and hooks, definitely a bonus. It probably helped that they had music critics and brilliant sci-fi/fantasy author Michael Moorcock writing for them. Unfortunately, they were probably too smart for their own good, to the point of obtuseness. They should have put on makeup and sung about girls instead. Probably would've been much bigger.

Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link

I have been reading Martin Popoff's BOC book in the bathroom lately. You can tell he's a fan. It's mostly quotes from the band and other hanger-ons and it does a nice job of discussing the good, bad and ugly periods for the band.

Oh, my favorite BOC song is probably not the favorite of many: "Take Me Away."

NYCNative, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link

You can have too much?

-- Matt #2, Tuesday, April 3, 2007 11:07 AM (41 minutes ago)

I'm certainly more likely to listen to "Arthur Comics" than to "A Fact About Sneakers."

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link

"Arthur Comics" is kind of real early American proto-punk, isn't it? Like Hackamore Brick and stuff.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link

"Does anyone know if any of the recordings of them with Les Braunstein on vocals (Soft White Underbelly sessions - 1st attempt at LP for Elektra) have ever surfaced?"

Being the pathetic BOC fan I am, I searched thoroughly for them but I never found anything.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:58 (fifteen years ago) link

"Arthur Comics" is kind of real early American proto-punk, isn't it? Like Hackamore Brick and stuff"

Obviously yes - all these bands drew from the same secret source.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link

If I remember right, he may not have put much of anything down in the studio. I think that's where they got hung up.

x-post

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Never read the Popoff book but the most exhaustive account of the band's history I've ever seen was the cover story of Goldmine a few years ago .. maybe 1999 or 2000? Anyway, just a massive article, it was like 20 pages before you even got to the switch from Stalk-Forrest to BOC...

Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Seeing Myonga refer to B.O.C. as The American Black Sabbath reminded me of a theory I cooked up a little while back about B.O.C. being The American Hawkwind

Why-

1. Some Sci-Fi mythology (altough certainly less so for BOC)
2. Two biggest hits not sung by lead singer (BOC-"Reaper" & "Burnin'" sung by Roeser. Hawkwind-"Silver Machine" sung by Lemmy & "Quark..." by Bob Calvert) Which leads to...
3. Literary Connections (BOC-Pearlman, Meltzer & Patti Smith. Hawkwind-Michael Moorcock & Bob Calvert)
4. BOOGIE!
5. LASERS!

C. Grisso/McCain, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link

BOC also had Moorcock.

Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link

But there's a serious lead guitar disparity between the two.

fife, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:35 (fifteen years ago) link

they also shared the same listserv email group way back in the day! the BOC/Hawkwind list. Good times. Albert Bouchard and Deb Frost used to post to it once in a very blue moon.

Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:41 (fifteen years ago) link

i gotz love for Club Ninja! i bought that cassette when i was a kid. didn't know shit abt BOC, so it was the first one i heard...Dancin' in the Ruins is a great slab of AOR!

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:42 (fifteen years ago) link

I think they were the best American band of the 1970s. How about that, fuckers. Better than Utopia, even.

Great tunes, excellent feel, great harmony vocals - occasionally they sound like the heavy metal byrds, & what on earth could possibly be better than that, eh?

Buck Dharma is an awesome, underrated lead guitarist, as well.

I saw them live w/aldo nova supporting - I'm pretty sure it was the tour for "Club Ninja", as it happens. All the reviews in "sounds" etc were like "they're past their prime, yawn, avoid", I was dreading it, a bit but they tore the place up, once they got going they were like this unstoppable machine, they could have gone on all night for me.

One track by them I absolutely love is off "Imaginos" (which is pretty ropey otherwise) - "I am the one you warned me of", what a fucking track! Does anyone else dig that one?

I don't normally go in for rock-list-o-philia, but if I had to name my 5 favourite bands, BOC would make the list, easily.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:12 (fifteen years ago) link

I named my band's second album "Buck Dharma" in tribute (the resulting confusion on the Amazon page is pure hilarity worthy of The Onion), so you know where I stand.

To answer Matt's question, Club Ninja has it's moments. The production is actually not horrible for a mid-80s album, and "Dancin In The Ruins" is a killer song. I haven't heard it in a long time, but I remember it rather fondly. Then, I was nine when it came out.

All things considered, the Stalk Forrest Group album, after hearing about it for so many years, left me slightly underwhelmed.

Manalishi, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:27 (fifteen years ago) link

Somewhere on ILM is a post about one of my favorite concert experiences: fIREHOSE opening up for Blue Oyster Cult at a dead movie theater in Riverside sometime in 1987. Watt babbled about opening up for his heroes and even wore his old Secret Treaties shirt.

BOC hadn't released an album in years (Imaginos doesn't really count), there was maybe 30 people in the audience, the Bouchard brothers were long gone, and the soundsystem was mostly crap so the first third of the show was slogging pretty badly until Eric Bloom went on this five minute berserk rant about frustration, UFOs, being "On Tour Forever," paranoia, shitty gigs, etc. etc. that blew up into an AMAZING version of "Take Me Away" that simultaneously blew out the cobwebs and gave them a full tank of rocket fuel because the rest of the gig was the LA Forum in 1975, even if there weren't any lasers.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:30 (fifteen years ago) link

"BOC hadn't released an album in years (Imaginos doesn't really count), there was maybe 30 people in the audience"

30 people to see BOC + fIREHOSE?!
that's crazy.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:02 (fifteen years ago) link

I heard one of their newer albums from 1999 or so, it was bloody awful. Just sounded like Magnum or something. Here's a band that needs to realise that the wheel has turned, and they could get a whole new younger audience if they went back to basics.

My BOC gameplan :

1. Get the proper line-up back together, burying the hatchet if necessary.
2. Do one of those Don't Look Back-type tours, playing the first 3 albums in their entirety.
3. Record a new album with whoever produces Witchcraft or someone like that, with Sandy Pearlman and / or sci-fi authors writing all the lyrics.
4. Clean up (hopefully).

They could still tour state fairs in the summer too, who'd know? Anyway, none of this'll ever happen more's the pity. I may have to start a tribute band instead.

Matt #2, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I always thought that Radio Birdman were heavily influenced by Blue Oyster Cult.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

5. Bring back the giant paper-mache Godzilla headpiece during the drum solo.

fife, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah I really really love this thread. BÖC had long been on my list of music nerd acts that (outside of the big three formidable classic rock staples) I just didn’t “get”. I had legitimately tried, too, at varying points. I’ve owned Tyranny, Agents, and Spectres for years and would pull them out every so often. Unlike with others where I secretly suspect I may just be right (Waits, Zappa), BÖC was one where I was pretty sure I was not.

Anyway I was mildly stoned and listening to E.T.I. a couple of weeks ago and it sounded absolutely amazing. Something unlocked for me and I believe I may have found the awful truth.

concentrating on Rationality (the book) (will), Saturday, 12 February 2022 14:59 (six months ago) link

welcome to the club. I know what you mean, they have a certain "magic eye painting" quality, they were a band that I knew from the small handful of classic rock radio staples but sometime this switch flipped and I had a period of being obsessed with them

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 12 February 2022 16:23 (six months ago) link

xpost it doesn't translate into their music sounding like BOC but the Minutemen were huge BOC fans

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 12 February 2022 16:24 (six months ago) link

For me the only thing that quite compares is the original Alice Cooper band. Not sure the comparison quite does justice to either group, but there is some kind of sui generis weirdness to both that can get overlooked and is hard to find elsewhere.

Ferryboat Bill Jr. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 12 February 2022 17:21 (six months ago) link

Afghan Whigs and R.E.M. two bands where the BÖC influence is noticeable, as hs been noted before, although obvioiusly those bands also have other things in their bloodline.

Ferryboat Bill Jr. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 12 February 2022 17:23 (six months ago) link

Afghan Whigs sub out HP Lovecraft for Elmore Leonard maybe.

removing bookmarks never felt so good (PBKR), Saturday, 12 February 2022 17:29 (six months ago) link

To my knowledge, Husker Du are the only other band to list "stun guitar" in their album credits, so there's that and them.

henry s, Saturday, 12 February 2022 18:28 (six months ago) link

Plus, umlauts appear.

henry s, Saturday, 12 February 2022 18:29 (six months ago) link

ha I never thought of that but of course, esp since the board game used lines over the u's not umlauts

https://images.app.goo.gl/kyYn93fXzzEh7zB17

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 12 February 2022 18:40 (six months ago) link

my half-serious monkees comparison upthread is worth considering for half a second. hired hands grow wings to become some strange kind of meta-version of the original concept. of course they were too early to have been influenced by boc, and boc were not necessarily influenced by them.

Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 12 February 2022 18:42 (six months ago) link

So you are comparing Sandy Pearlman to Raybert/Kirshner?

Ferryboat Bill Jr. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 12 February 2022 19:30 (six months ago) link

heh i think pearlman's concept was a little more out-there. maybe it gave them more room to grow. maybe his whole master plan was to have them grow into and inhabit the concept? wait, i'm getting the idea for an album here...

Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 12 February 2022 19:36 (six months ago) link

Has anyone in the band, or the other "outside" lyricists, ever talked about whether Pearlman imposed lyrical guidelines or limits to preserve the BOC conceptual brand? Were certain topics or approaches encouraged or discouraged?

Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 12 February 2022 22:27 (six months ago) link

these sort of touche on it a little bit. i think pearlman started branching out and getting involved with other bands, and losing his influence over boc. especially when reaper came along. albert seemed the one most influenced by him.

https://drankf.medium.com/imaginos-sandy-pearlman-blue-oyster-cult-and-me-b90d41ee7119

https://www.thewire.co.uk/in-writing/interviews/albert-bouchard-on-blue-oyster-cult-sandy-pearlman-and-re-imaginos

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 13 February 2022 00:27 (six months ago) link

touch

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 13 February 2022 00:27 (six months ago) link

Voivod have a touch of the flavor IMO

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 13 February 2022 01:11 (six months ago) link

I cannot imagine Richard Meltzer taking direction from anyone

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 13 February 2022 01:43 (six months ago) link

meltzer: By the time they were Blue Oyster Cult, they had very little use for me. I wasn't living with them anymore and they smelled big bucks. While I still had relationships with certain of them from time to time, it became an effort to sell them a lyric, where once upon a time they were begging for stuff. They did an album for Elektra that was never released, as Stalk-Forrest, that I had eight songs on. They were the best things I ever did for them, or for anybody. But I never had more than two songs on a single Cult album. On their biggest seller, Agents of Fortune, I had nothing. I think part of the reason I was banished from that one is I behaved rudely at the wedding of the guitarist (Buck Dharma). I felt up his mother when I was dancing with her.

https://www.furious.com/perfect/meltzer2.html

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 13 February 2022 01:56 (six months ago) link

omg

removing bookmarks never felt so good (PBKR), Sunday, 13 February 2022 02:12 (six months ago) link

I haven’t listened to stalk forrest in quite a few years I just realized

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 13 February 2022 04:53 (six months ago) link

other memories:

listening to "don't fear the reaper" on the hi-fi in bobby's living room with bobby's parents and eric. bobby's parents were not from the rock'n'roll generation; eric must be a fair number of years younger than his sister. bobby's father: "see, eric, this is what i've been trying to tell you all along. all you have to do is go 'la la la' and people will start buying your records."

eric telling us that buck came to the band with a demo, and all they could hear when he played it was cash registers ringing. i *think* the song he was talking about was 'godzilla.' memory fails.

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 13 February 2022 11:51 (six months ago) link

eric's inscription on the cover of the tin holding the piece of cake bobby brought back to me from eric's wedding:
my heart is black
and my lips are cold
eat this cake
hot or cold
<<boc symbol>>

Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 13 February 2022 12:44 (six months ago) link

That's awesome, I wonder if that was a go-to inscription technique of his, like in a birthday card perhaps:

my heart is black
and my lips are cold
I am still young
'tis you who are old

henry s, Sunday, 13 February 2022 15:09 (six months ago) link

Maybe that should be posted on the Ideas for Valentine’s Day thread

Ferryboat Bill Jr. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 13 February 2022 15:41 (six months ago) link

my heart is black
and my lips are cold
roses are red
or so I am told

Please be my Valentine!
EB

<<boc symbol>>

henry s, Sunday, 13 February 2022 16:56 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

Vera Gemini hitting all the spots this afternoon.

One of the all-tyme greatest revives, and mention of Brain Surgeons NYC '06 in Brooklyn backyard reminds me that they made my Nashville Scene ballot's Country Singles category for that year's releases:

Brain Surgeons NYC sometimes do the urban country boogie, like they
worked extended temp in the Dallas Schoolbook Suppository, lookin' at
the world through a computer screen, like the rest of us, and, if Ross
The Boss's leads didn't seem quite so trite quite so often, and if Al
Bouchard gave up the mic more often to Deborah Frost, then Denial Of
Death
might well have made my Rock Top Ten. But even so, on
"Lonestar," you get that Metal Brenda Lee is comin' on strong, and
Lemmy Lee too, pert' near (still meaning her, def not Al). But Al's the
Yankee boy proudly reporting for duty in "1864," and no less country
for that.

dow, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 01:31 (three months ago) link

Oh yeah, and their "Plague of Lies" made my Idolator ballot for 2006 releases!

dow, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 01:34 (three months ago) link

Prairie Oyster Cult

one month passes...

In the new episode of the Rock's Backpages podcast we welcome heavy metal expert Deborah Frost, Zooming in from her native New York City, and invite her to talk about her career as a writer and musician.

Deborah reminisces about Flaming Youth, the all-girl "female Dolls" in which she drummed in the early '70s, and then explains how she came to write her first pieces for Circus in 1977. She talks about her love of hard rock and heavy metal, and about contributing to Rolling Stone and the Village Voice — including her acclaimed 1985 Voice piece "White Noise: How Heavy Metal Rules", with its unflattering descriptions of the drug-and-groupie-addled Mötley Crüe.


https://www.rocksbackpages.com/Podcast/Episode/e129

dow, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 00:35 (two months ago) link

interview with joe bouchard on todd-o-phonic todd's show:

https://www.wfmu.org/playlists/shows/116574

Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 12:30 (two months ago) link

Three shows in nyc in September with one of the first three albums played each night. Albert joining in.

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 20:10 (two months ago) link

yup, thanks -- that was mentioned during the interview (joe b hasn't been asked to participate as of yet). if i were still seeing shows it would be on my list for sure. still covid-shy.

Thus Sang Freud, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 22:30 (two months ago) link

Same here. Still tempting to get tickets for secret treaties night and hope the numbers are comfortable for me by then.

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 03:24 (two months ago) link

and of course, in addition to covid there's the probability of getting sucked into a transdimensional vortex

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 15:02 (two months ago) link

True… on the other hand, if that happens you get a Q&A with Sandy Pearlman

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 15:38 (two months ago) link

braving it thurs & fri, at $80 a ticket incl. service fees i will prob be disappointed if something like that doesn't happen

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 16:41 (two months ago) link

Is this Sony Hall? I've been there once for Parliament and it was a surprisingly casual set-up, albeit with posh surroundings. Like the band members just mingled with the crowd between their set and the opening act, and there was no barrier between stage and floor so a LOT of people easily got on to the stage when they wanted people to dance during the climax.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 16:45 (two months ago) link

I need a really good soundboard recording from 1974ish where they do mostly Secret Treaties material, closest I've found is a kind of thin audience taped show from Baton Rouge

made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 14:18 (one month ago) link

Yeah there’s not much

I just end up going back to OYFOOYK

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:10 (one month ago) link

In the west is great I guess I didn’t mention it bc is it 75 but I guess that counts as 74ish lol

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:24 (one month ago) link

:D

The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:25 (one month ago) link

Has anyone seen the doc about the lead singer who became a Buddhist monk known as The King of Chanting or whatever it was?

Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:51 (one month ago) link

One Track Heart: The Story of Krishna Das. About a guy named Jeffrey Kagel.

Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 June 2022 10:02 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

who knew?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baD0sBuJVu4

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 1 August 2022 15:47 (two weeks ago) link

Lenny Kaye on Sandy Pearlman, pretty cool & some stuff I didn't know: https://www.pattismith.net/souvenance.html

dow, Monday, 1 August 2022 17:05 (two weeks ago) link

Was playing video games with my 10 year-old tonight and he asked me to put on a record while we played. “Something rock,” was his request. Cultosaurus Erectus was on the nearby rack, so on it went.

“Black Blade” starts to play and about two minutes in he goes, “yessssss this is what I needed to hear tonight”.

Folks, gonna consider that a parenting win for the month.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 12 August 2022 03:26 (four days ago) link

\m/

mookieproof, Friday, 12 August 2022 03:52 (four days ago) link


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