Blue Oyster Cult: Classic or Dud?

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Former rock critics wrote lyrics with them (Richard Meltzer, Patti Smith, Sandy Pearlman).

I always thought BOC was a much better band on record than on stage.

Live, the band always just sounded like another 70s rock boogie band. But the recording studio always seemed to be the place where they shined most (Agents of Fortune, Spectres, Mirrors).

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rockcrit88, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Love BOC about as much as I hate 'em. Horribly uneven band. Some great, great songs, but even their best albums are patchy. Never saw 'em live, and the live recordings I've heard haven't convinced me I missed much.

I'll say classic just out of fascination with perversity. But it seems like futile gesture.

Pye Poudre, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/-marhari-/MoreCowbell.jpg

NYCNative, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Secret Treaties is very classic.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link

classic. one of my fave bands. buy all of these:


Blue Öyster Cult
Tyranny and Mutation
Secret Treaties
Agents of Fortune
Spectres
Mirrors
Cultösaurus Erectus
Fire of Unknown Origin
The Revölution by Night



and *on your feet or on your knees* too.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Should've been classic, given their obvious intelligence, humor (some of their song titles are laugh-out-loud funny), and taste in collaborators. But aside from a handful of classic tunes, I haven't found much there after years of trying to like them. I think they sold 999 records to bongloading teens for every one they sold to someone who "got" them.

Although, Buck Dharma (nee Donald Roeser) has to be one of the top 10 rock pseudonyms of all time.

The Deacon, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Scott and Trip Maker OTM, everyone else not. If you have to spend time worrying about whether or not people liked them for the right reasons, you need another hobby yo. Plus: bongloading teens are people too!

Dimension 5ive, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Their records sound good and sometimes give me gigglefits.

good enough for me.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link

bombers at 12 o'clock high!

BOC was awesome...never really a heavy-metal band, they were more rooted in boogie ("Red And Black", "Dominance & Submission", "I'm On The Lamb But I Ain't No Sheep") and pop ("Celestial The Queen", "Goin' Through The Motions")...excellent ballads, too ("I Love The Night", "Debby Denise", "In Thee")...I could go on and on...Eric Bloom's vocals were always a bit overwrought, but during the span cited by scott above, they could do little wrong...

henry s, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Stalk-Forrest Group album is my favorite. OK, I've said it before!

U know it bears repeating!

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Classic. A solid hard-rock band and the first meta-metal band, and almost unfailingly funny. Sort of the Dictators of arena rock.

fife, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.hotrails.co.uk/images/intro/newcastle75.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.everythingsg.com/celebs/abouchard.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.everythingsg.com/celebs/BOC-tour1.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.everythingsg.com/celebs/dharma1.jpg

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Does anyone know if any of the recordings of them with Les Braunstein on vocals (Soft White Underbelly sessions - 1st attempt at LP for Elektra) have ever surfaced?

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Steve Holtje got into an argument on someone's Blog recently in response to an article about Hipster Metal that went something like this:

Blogger: Hipster Metal is ironic and real metal was never ironic.
Steve: BOC was metal and ironic!
Blogger: They were not metal but I'll give you ironic.

I was with Steve on this one. Sure BOC had some non-metal moments but at the time they were deemed metal and how can you not call a band metal when they definied it in their prime?

NYCNative, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Everyone at the time would have called BOC metal, same as early Led Zeppelin. In the 80s metal became a social category whose gatekeepers had to weed out the non-purists. Retroactively a lot of 70s bands didn't seem to make the cut.

fife, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Search these for sure :

Stalk-Forrest Group album
Blue Oyster Cult
Tyranny & Mutation
Secret Treaties
Agents of Fortune (side 1)

and about a couple of albums worth of odd tracks from the rest. Imaginos was way underwhelming when it finally came out, too much fucking Aldo Nova. I didn't see them till the 1980's by which time it was merely fair-to-middling.

Any love for Club Ninja?

Matt #2, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link

I think BOC saw themselves as heavy metal in the Burroughsian sense rather than the arena rock sense. Sandy Pearlman did anyway.

Matt #2, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Whatever that means.

Matt #2, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link

OK - for me that involved a narrowing of the aesthetic. Meltzer has said likewise, I think, or something related. That is why Stalk-Forrest Group album feels fresh to me while the later albums, much as I might like things on 'em, feel boxed in.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link

And even Stalk-Forrest Group album has too much west coast stonerism going on, really.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link

You can have too much?

Matt #2, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link

SO classic. The American Black Sabbath couldn't match Sabbath's metal purity and conviction, but they made up for it in variety, singing, lyrics (thanks to those collaborators), melody, humour, arcane mysterioso dread, all that. And unlike Sabbath, they eventually succumbed to clueless AOR crap ("Burnin' For You" was superior AOR crap), but at least they had 10 good years.

(Sorry if I'm just repeating stuff already said on this thread - can't read it thoroughly while the teacher's looking)

Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link

I saw BOC live last year, doing the state fair rounds. they know what they are, a jukebox fulla great tunes, and they delivered. they even did "shooting shark" and "veteran of the psychic wars".

when they launched into "godzilla" crowd members young and old became a sea of stomping, bobbing heads. I don't care what year yr in, that's heavy and it's metal.

a buddy of mine's been working on an article on them. he's a freelancer but he doesn't usually do music stuff so he's not even sure where to shop it. he just likes the band and it was an excuse to interview Eric Bloom. anybody got any tips?

Edward III, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm looking at about three shows this year -- Rochester, Naperville, and there was one other one I was eyeing, i'd have to check their website.

anyway, obviously totally classic, and still a good live show.

Surely there are about 10 BOC threads already?

Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link

that's what i thought, but there isn't an actual C&D/S&D thread.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link

though there are other threads.

scott seward, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I think the game plan was to send up genre conventions (solos, occultism, arena banter) and make a quick buck off of them. Within those limitations they were good.

fife, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Classic! I've been listening to Agents of Fortunes, Spectres, and Cultosaurus Erectus on a fairly heavy rotation the last couple weeks. And I have a little bit of love for Club Ninja. "Perfect Water" and "Dancing in the Ruins" are both great. I wrote a little thing about why I like them on my music blog:

Why the fascination with azure mollusk fanatics? Well, they were one of the first bands that I sort of stumbled upon following the inevitable "wait, Dave Matthews Band and Hootie & The Blowfish sort of suck, I wonder what else is out there" revelation. I mean, besides the obvious stuff like Black Sabbath and Guns and Roses. This was a band that I found myself! Well, I probably found it through hearing the song "Godzilla" in a great music video on the late, lamented TNT show Monster Vision, but you get the idea. That lead me to believe that they were a joke band, but I purchased the excellent two-disc anthology Workshop of the Telescopes on a whim, and loved it. Hell, by this point I've worn out the second disc, the one with all their poppy stuff on it. Basically, what I love about Blue Oyster Cult is that they were probably the smartest 70s hard rock/proto-metal band. Alice Cooper was clever, sure, Black Sabbath were scary, Deep Purple more overdriven, KISS bigger dumber fun, Led Zeppelin just more, but BOC were the most articulate and intelligent lyricists. Plus, they had great tunes and hooks, definitely a bonus. It probably helped that they had music critics and brilliant sci-fi/fantasy author Michael Moorcock writing for them. Unfortunately, they were probably too smart for their own good, to the point of obtuseness. They should have put on makeup and sung about girls instead. Probably would've been much bigger.

Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I have been reading Martin Popoff's BOC book in the bathroom lately. You can tell he's a fan. It's mostly quotes from the band and other hanger-ons and it does a nice job of discussing the good, bad and ugly periods for the band.

Oh, my favorite BOC song is probably not the favorite of many: "Take Me Away."

NYCNative, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link

You can have too much?

-- Matt #2, Tuesday, April 3, 2007 11:07 AM (41 minutes ago)

I'm certainly more likely to listen to "Arthur Comics" than to "A Fact About Sneakers."

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:50 (thirteen years ago) link

"Arthur Comics" is kind of real early American proto-punk, isn't it? Like Hackamore Brick and stuff.

Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link

"Does anyone know if any of the recordings of them with Les Braunstein on vocals (Soft White Underbelly sessions - 1st attempt at LP for Elektra) have ever surfaced?"

Being the pathetic BOC fan I am, I searched thoroughly for them but I never found anything.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link

"Arthur Comics" is kind of real early American proto-punk, isn't it? Like Hackamore Brick and stuff"

Obviously yes - all these bands drew from the same secret source.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link

If I remember right, he may not have put much of anything down in the studio. I think that's where they got hung up.

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Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Never read the Popoff book but the most exhaustive account of the band's history I've ever seen was the cover story of Goldmine a few years ago .. maybe 1999 or 2000? Anyway, just a massive article, it was like 20 pages before you even got to the switch from Stalk-Forrest to BOC...

Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Seeing Myonga refer to B.O.C. as The American Black Sabbath reminded me of a theory I cooked up a little while back about B.O.C. being The American Hawkwind

Why-

1. Some Sci-Fi mythology (altough certainly less so for BOC)
2. Two biggest hits not sung by lead singer (BOC-"Reaper" & "Burnin'" sung by Roeser. Hawkwind-"Silver Machine" sung by Lemmy & "Quark..." by Bob Calvert) Which leads to...
3. Literary Connections (BOC-Pearlman, Meltzer & Patti Smith. Hawkwind-Michael Moorcock & Bob Calvert)
4. BOOGIE!
5. LASERS!

C. Grisso/McCain, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link

BOC also had Moorcock.

Jeff Treppel, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link

But there's a serious lead guitar disparity between the two.

fife, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link

they also shared the same listserv email group way back in the day! the BOC/Hawkwind list. Good times. Albert Bouchard and Deb Frost used to post to it once in a very blue moon.

Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link

i gotz love for Club Ninja! i bought that cassette when i was a kid. didn't know shit abt BOC, so it was the first one i heard...Dancin' in the Ruins is a great slab of AOR!

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link

I think they were the best American band of the 1970s. How about that, fuckers. Better than Utopia, even.

Great tunes, excellent feel, great harmony vocals - occasionally they sound like the heavy metal byrds, & what on earth could possibly be better than that, eh?

Buck Dharma is an awesome, underrated lead guitarist, as well.

I saw them live w/aldo nova supporting - I'm pretty sure it was the tour for "Club Ninja", as it happens. All the reviews in "sounds" etc were like "they're past their prime, yawn, avoid", I was dreading it, a bit but they tore the place up, once they got going they were like this unstoppable machine, they could have gone on all night for me.

One track by them I absolutely love is off "Imaginos" (which is pretty ropey otherwise) - "I am the one you warned me of", what a fucking track! Does anyone else dig that one?

I don't normally go in for rock-list-o-philia, but if I had to name my 5 favourite bands, BOC would make the list, easily.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:12 (thirteen years ago) link

I named my band's second album "Buck Dharma" in tribute (the resulting confusion on the Amazon page is pure hilarity worthy of The Onion), so you know where I stand.

To answer Matt's question, Club Ninja has it's moments. The production is actually not horrible for a mid-80s album, and "Dancin In The Ruins" is a killer song. I haven't heard it in a long time, but I remember it rather fondly. Then, I was nine when it came out.

All things considered, the Stalk Forrest Group album, after hearing about it for so many years, left me slightly underwhelmed.

Manalishi, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Somewhere on ILM is a post about one of my favorite concert experiences: fIREHOSE opening up for Blue Oyster Cult at a dead movie theater in Riverside sometime in 1987. Watt babbled about opening up for his heroes and even wore his old Secret Treaties shirt.

BOC hadn't released an album in years (Imaginos doesn't really count), there was maybe 30 people in the audience, the Bouchard brothers were long gone, and the soundsystem was mostly crap so the first third of the show was slogging pretty badly until Eric Bloom went on this five minute berserk rant about frustration, UFOs, being "On Tour Forever," paranoia, shitty gigs, etc. etc. that blew up into an AMAZING version of "Take Me Away" that simultaneously blew out the cobwebs and gave them a full tank of rocket fuel because the rest of the gig was the LA Forum in 1975, even if there weren't any lasers.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link

"BOC hadn't released an album in years (Imaginos doesn't really count), there was maybe 30 people in the audience"

30 people to see BOC + fIREHOSE?!
that's crazy.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link

I heard one of their newer albums from 1999 or so, it was bloody awful. Just sounded like Magnum or something. Here's a band that needs to realise that the wheel has turned, and they could get a whole new younger audience if they went back to basics.

My BOC gameplan :

1. Get the proper line-up back together, burying the hatchet if necessary.
2. Do one of those Don't Look Back-type tours, playing the first 3 albums in their entirety.
3. Record a new album with whoever produces Witchcraft or someone like that, with Sandy Pearlman and / or sci-fi authors writing all the lyrics.
4. Clean up (hopefully).

They could still tour state fairs in the summer too, who'd know? Anyway, none of this'll ever happen more's the pity. I may have to start a tribute band instead.

Matt #2, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link

I always thought that Radio Birdman were heavily influenced by Blue Oyster Cult.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link

5. Bring back the giant paper-mache Godzilla headpiece during the drum solo.

fife, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Saw them a few weeks ago, and they so good that they shamed all the other geezer pleaser bands on the festival bill. They played The Vigil, Dancing in the Ruins, Harvest Moon, Hot Rails to Hell, it just blew my mind. Buck was sublime on guitar.

A. Begrand, Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:32 (one year ago) link

Hell yes I’m up for some Vigil

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 5 September 2019 23:43 (one year ago) link

Buck's still one of the best guitarists on Earth

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 September 2019 03:45 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

been doing a discography run. is every böc album good? i'm on club ninja and it's fantastic

american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 29 September 2019 23:13 (one year ago) link

Club Ninja has some really hokey moments ("Beat 'em Up" is pop metal trip by periodic Judas Priest collaborator Bob Halligan Jr., also recorded by Lee Aaron in 1985) but "Dancing in the Ruins is perfect. One of BÖC's absolute best tracks.

I've been super obsessed with 1998's Heaven Forbid album lately, especially "Harvest Moon", which is one of the best autumn songs I have ever heard.

A. Begrand, Monday, 30 September 2019 00:54 (one year ago) link

Heaven Forbid has several great tracks but yeah harvest moon is the crown gem

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 30 September 2019 02:45 (one year ago) link

This thread also illustrates the shameful decline of Photobucket. It was horrible even during its heyday, but it has turned into something worse than death. The picture of Christopher Walken has a massive watermark and covered in blur. It's like Atonement, or the old practice of building churches on top of pagan monuments.

Something remains of the original, but it's distorted and blurred. Perhaps that's what the owners of Photobucket are trying to tell us. Perhaps Photobucket is actually an art project on the theme of transience and the impossibility of history. What's to say that the blurred, watermarked Walken isn't his true form? What if the pristine, non-watermarked Walken of 2007 was the aberration? What did the people of 2007 know, anyway? Why should we let them form the dominant narrative? It's 2019, and the present belongs to us.

Ashley Pomeroy, Monday, 30 September 2019 17:15 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

I am at the theater in Tarrytown NY waiting for BOC to take the stage. It’s going to be awhile because right now there’s a guy in an old man hat with a funky acoustic guitar and after that there’s UFO who I have never heard nor thought about hearing but anyway

Fuck yeah BOC

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 22 February 2020 01:22 (one year ago) link

UFO is a fine band.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 22 February 2020 01:34 (one year ago) link

sweet should be awesome
I would like to see UFO

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 February 2020 01:42 (one year ago) link

Who is in the current iteration of UFO?

henry s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 01:47 (one year ago) link

Rob De Luca, Vinnie Moore, Phil Mogg, Neil Carter, Andy Parker
(pasted that in from their website)

empire of the shunned (Matt #2), Saturday, 22 February 2020 01:57 (one year ago) link

Pete Way too unhealthy, Michael Schenker too crazy, Paul Raymond too dead so you only get 2/5 of the classic line-up (unless you think Mechanix is classic-era UFO in which case Neil Carter counts).

empire of the shunned (Matt #2), Saturday, 22 February 2020 02:00 (one year ago) link

I kinda don't but 2/5 isn't bad...I think that's also the ratio BOC is working with.

henry s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 02:04 (one year ago) link

oh shit Vinnie Moore, he's a shredder

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 22 February 2020 02:20 (one year ago) link

I swear when we got tickets UFO was on the bill! But it was just the acoustic guy and then BOC.

Great show, though the sound was a bit off. Buck’s vocal mic and leads not loud enough for my taste. I might have been spoiled by the spectacular sound last time I saw them (in Manhattan).

Their walk on music is now the end title theme from The Mandalorian <3

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 22 February 2020 04:14 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

Been on a big BOC kick lately, started when I picked up the surprisingly great Albert Bouchard Re Imaginos. Feel like it's time for the Stalk-Forrest Group comp to get reissued again, going for crazy money.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:41 (three weeks ago) link

Well, guess I should have checked discogs first, maybe not "crazy" money. The copies on Amazon are insanely priced though.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:42 (three weeks ago) link

the bar is bloom

John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 11 February 2021 18:56 (three weeks ago) link

i support using CGI technology to replace orlando bloom with eric bloom in all the movies he's been in

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 February 2021 19:07 (three weeks ago) link

I finally got my hands on a copy of Heaven Forbid, so now I just need Curse to complete my BOC studio albums collection. Not sure I'm willing to pay $30+ for it just yet, so I'll keep waiting patiently.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 February 2021 23:46 (two weeks ago) link

it's sort of out there again, as an import though. vinyl too.

https://www.frontiers.shop/new-releases/1022/blue-oyster-cult-curse-of-the-hidden-mirror-cd-jewelcase?c=8

Thus Sang Freud, Friday, 19 February 2021 00:16 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks for the tip. Gonna go sit by my mailbox.

BlackIronPrison, Friday, 19 February 2021 00:36 (two weeks ago) link

Heaven Forbid has plenty of great moments. "Harvest Moon" is a top 10 BÖC track, in my opinion.

A. Begrand, Friday, 19 February 2021 03:21 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, “Harvest Moon” is killer.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 19 February 2021 03:37 (two weeks ago) link

I'm enjoying Heaven Forbid, but I will say the Buck songs >> the Bloom songs, for the most part.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:18 (two weeks ago) link

that equation holds true for a lot of their latter day catalog

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:44 (two weeks ago) link

Fair, but the way Heaven Forbid alternates between the two for much of the album really underscores the difference.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:48 (two weeks ago) link

partially, Buck's singing style is so soft, like he doesn't really raise his voice or strain at all, so it's held up remarkably well...Eric's voice is way more shot. Don't know if that started to affect his ability to write.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 22 February 2021 21:16 (two weeks ago) link

no opinions on the new album? I thought it was surprisingly listenable, if overlong

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:06 (one week ago) link

yeah i think people are positive generally, esp considering how late it is in their career, thread here:

Blue Oyster Cult - The Symbol Remains (2020)

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:07 (one week ago) link

oh snap I missed that- thanks!

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:09 (one week ago) link

Re-listened to Agents of Fortune and Fire of Unknown Origin this morning. The latter might be my favorite of their albums; at any rate, it always sounds ridiculously great whenever I listen to it.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:27 (one week ago) link

it's the best one!!!!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:30 (one week ago) link

Shame it all fell apart with Albert Bouchard (the primary writer) around then, I think they had one great new wave-y album left in them.

my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 16:33 (one week ago) link

Probably in the minority here, but I vastly prefer the demo version of "Fire of Unknown Origin" (tacked onto the Agents reissue) to the one that was eventually released. You can practically hear Patti Smith singing the earlier version, and I'll take Joe B. over Eric Bloom most any day.

henry s, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:05 (one week ago) link

yeah that one is pretty great

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:38 (one week ago) link

I think they had one great new wave-y album left in them.

― my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Wednesday, February 24, 2021 9:33 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

they made it, it's called the revölution by night

does suffer for albert's absence tho true

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:43 (one week ago) link

that's an underrated one. obv "shooting shark" is a live staple, i really love "veins" which is the second-to-last richard meltzer lyric they used i think (they used his "spy in the house of night" on club ninja but i think they didn't ask him and melz got really pissed and didn't talk to them again)

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:45 (one week ago) link

Albert Bouchard (the primary writer)

Well observed.

Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:47 (one week ago) link

Been on a big BOC kick lately, started when I picked up the surprisingly great Albert Bouchard Re Imaginos. Feel like it's time for the Stalk-Forrest Group comp to get reissued again, going for crazy money.

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, February 11, 2021 12:41 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

listening to this again and it's really worth your time, definitely interesting to hear what he thought imaginos was going to be, his voice is a little shakier at points but still pretty good and it's really a nice sounding record (imaginos is just produced like fucking garbage)...but it *feels* like a BOC album even if it's technically a solo album

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:48 (one week ago) link

I got FoUO recently after rwading about it on here, funnily enough the post thay convinced me i needed it was derogatory iirc.

It's my third favorite BOC album after Tyranny and Secret Treaties. I wouldn't fault anyone for saying it's their best album.

Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:50 (one week ago) link

listening to this again and it's really worth your time, definitely interesting to hear what he thought imaginos was going to be, his voice is a little shakier at points but still pretty good and it's really a nice sounding record (imaginos is just produced like fucking garbage)...but it *feels* like a BOC album even if it's technically a solo album

Yeah, I played Re Imaginos again last night and it's really good. It's no patch on prime BOC, but it's nice to hear something closer to Bouchard's original version and you are otm, it sounds incredible.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 21:52 (one week ago) link

woah this is cool - blue oyster cult by voices

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odfQ11PByac

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 22:00 (one week ago) link

I'll take Joe B. over Eric Bloom most any day

Every time I listen to a BOC song sung by a Bouchard I think "I wish Eric was singing this".

my shear modulus is weakening (Matt #2), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 22:11 (one week ago) link

Both of you are wrong.

xp love that demo, it's the best version

Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 22:21 (one week ago) link

FoUO and OYFoOYK are I think tied for my favorite at this point, with the latter to be understood as an avatar for all the BOC bootlegs I have mainlined

Speaking of which, I scoured all over the damn place trying to find bootlegs where they perform the more interesting deep cuts from Revolution By Night (“Veins”, “Shadow of California” and “Feel the Thunder”) - I was only able to find one and its in pretty terrible sound quality

Also - i think it’s a little cruel of buck that he either performs “Shark” or “Harvest” at a given show but never both of them!

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 27 February 2021 01:27 (one week ago) link

Veins is a really great deep cut

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 27 February 2021 01:34 (one week ago) link

It’s top notch and hooky as fuck

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 27 February 2021 01:46 (one week ago) link

Since you mention OYFoOYK I thought I'd mention that I checked it out a while back and was blown away by how great "Born to Be Wild" sounded, especially the mental white noise section toward the end. It might as well be late 80s Sonic Youth at that point.

stop torturing me ethel (broom air), Saturday, 27 February 2021 12:46 (one week ago) link


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