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I've never heard them. Should I?

Poops Mcgee, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes. Definitely. The first five of records are ACE. Can't go wrong with those. Future Days is my fave record.

nathalie, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Uh, yes, you should.

Search: The first six albums (Monster Movie, Soundtracks, Tago Mago (!), Ege Bamyasi, Future Days, Soon Over Babaluma).

Destroy: Pretty much everything else, although Landed has its moments.

lee g, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Depends what else you like - but yes, hear them. All the world will tell you to get Ege Bamyasi or Tago Mago - But some of the later stuff is just as cool. I suggest the 2 disc Anthology (it's easy to find) -

Everyone else will fill in the rest.... I'm too tired.

Dave225, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The only Can track that has ever done something for me is "Animal Waves", one of the early instrumental world music tracks in 1977. Very intense atmosphere. Especially "You Doo Right" should be destroyed, bloody embarrassing chorus.

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe my favorite band ever (along with the Fall). First 5 albums are ridiculously good. Any of them is a great starting point.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: everything they recorded from 1971 until 1975. I also like the early stuff, but IMO it just isn't on the same level.

Destroy: DISCO CAN! Otherwise known is just about everything post- Landed. I actually know a guy who claims this is his favorite period by Can. I believe him to be mentally ill.

dleone, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

How about Can gone solo?

Mr Noodles, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I still haven't heard TAGO MAGO (which -- I'm repeatedly told -- is their finest hour), but MONSTER MOVIE's pretty fantastic -- if only for the epic-length "Yoo Doo Right".

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

DLeone is on the money about the 1971-75 period, but sadly wrong about Disco Can. The idea (and sound) of aging rockprofs harnessing their sonic explorations to the thrill of the glitterball is fantastic. I Want More is monumental.

Dr. C, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Also search: 'Delay 1968', pre-'Monster Movie' tracks which are punk as fuck and a major major source for the early Fall sound, 'Unlimited Edition', a collection of unreleased tunes that's got some essential early Malcolm Mooney-era songs, as well as quite a lot of self- indulgent old pony, and the 'Peel Sessions' rec., which I think is quite a good way into the post-Damo era. I even quite like 'Rite Time', the very late Mooney 'reunion' alb, and 'Saw Delight', which I think is far and away their most effective world/disco fusion disc.

'Monster Movie' is still my fave, tho' - and personally I LOVE the lyrics to 'Yoo Doo Right' (so does Bobby Gillespie - he pretty much lifted them wholesale for 'Movin' On Up'....)

Destroy: the mostly v. poor remix alb.

Andrew L, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Nothing by Can is worth destroying, but everything else is worth searching out. Of course, only each note that they've ever recorded achieves "classic" status, since all of the other stuff is clearly dud.

J, Wednesday, 10 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

for some reason my mind has been reverse magnetized on CAN i think monster movie and tago mago are dull plodding rock and i only start getting excited as their career slides into the crirical doldrums and they go discotastic

bob snoom, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree with what most people have already said- Tago Mago, Future Days and Ege Bamyasi are essential. Moonshake is my favorite song and Tago Mago does more for me than any Pink Floyd album (with the exception of Piper at the Gates of Dawn). The live Can: Box Music is also fantastic.

lou, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Tago Mago does more for me than any Pink Floyd album

Isn't that the equivalent of saying, "This Nations Saving Grace" does more for me than anthing that John Mellencamp ever did." ..?

Dave225, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd take Mellencamp over The Fall.

Can is awesome. I wouldn't put them in the same "must hear" category as somebody like Kraftwerk, though. All the albums I have (thru Future Days) have both dull moments and great tracks. I kind of wish they'd been an instrumental band.

Mark, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Dave- Ok, so there are a lot of differences between Can and Pink Floyd. That was a pretty dumb statement to make, I admit.

lou, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Probably my favourite band. In order of how I like 'em : Ege Bamyasi, Unlimited Edition, Tago Mago, Soon Over, Future Days, Monster Movie, Soundtracks, Rare and Unreleased (just for the single B-Sides) and then the rest.

Ege mainly has shorter distinct songs which may be your cup of tea whilst Future Days is the proto ambient one.

philT, Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

It's very unorthodox to say, but I think 'Soundtracks' is a great place to start. The songs are shorter, more focused, really psychedelic... and it's got "Mother Sky" - not short, but perhaps my favorite Can moment (but there really are a lot of great moments, and you should check the band out in any case). There are lots of people who are "early Can"-ers - the rocking, garage-psych THUDTHUDTHWACKTHUD stuff. Then there are plenty of mid-period fans - the weird, bubbling funky albums. I haven't heard anything past 'Soon Over Babaluma', so I can't comment on that period of the band.

Clarke B., Thursday, 11 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I kind of wish they'd been an instrumental band.
Absolutely the singing is the weak point. One reason that Animal Waves is so good is that no one from the band sings on it.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Totally disagree. Both Michael Mooney and Damo Suzuki are important ingredients to Can's sound.

It starts getting good from Soundtracks on. Future Days is simply awesome.

The whole disco period is ok, if you're a big Can fan, but I wouldn't start there (although I love Holger Czukay's "Movies" album).

Braces Tower, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm surprised to see so much praise heaped on Monster Movie. I don't like it at all -- I found it boring, pretentious, and vaguely embarrassing, and can't really imagine what people who like it so much are hearing in it. Perhaps I need to dig it out again and give it another try, but...

What I've heard of Ege Bamyasi and Tago Mago sounded appealing, especially the former.

Phil, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i haven't heard it inna couple years to be sure, but there's this solo that erupts in the middle of "father cannot yell" which sounds like either a. a tape-slice glitch or b. karoli playing fucking backwards. it was then that i knew can were genius.

anyway, my favorite is still probably future days although everything they did has moments.

jess, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess some of you will find this funny but a band called The Creeping Nobodies will be opening for Damo Suzuki in Toronto next month.
How many Fall references can one squeeze into a bill?

Mr Noodles, Friday, 12 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: the records that everybody else mentioned, and I should add that "Aspectacle" (from the s/t album, in their disco period) is actually pretty great. I'm fond of _Delay 1968_, too, in a different way.

Destroy: _Out of Reach_, which the band hated so much it's never been reissued, and with good reason.

Douglas, Saturday, 13 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i prefer th' faith healers

bob snoom, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

or ganger. in a similar vein to me prefering aphex twin to cluster and trumans water to faust. old music sounds old unless you are old (nothing WRONG with that!)

bob snoom, Thursday, 18 April 2002 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
does anyone know whether Future Days is available on vinyl? has it ever been reissued? (maybe someone knows whether it will be sometime?) or is the only chance i have at obtaining a vinyl copy the 2nd hand shop or frikkin' ebay...

willem (willem), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 12:14 (nineteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Tons of Can threads so might as well revive this one for this link -- Irwin Schmidt on food, music and democracy:

http://thequietus.com/articles/00813-irmin-schmidt-of-can-on-food-and-cooking-plus-a-recipe-tip

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 December 2008 06:24 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I know it's not meant to be any good, but the completist in me needs to buy a copy of 'Out Of Reach' - are any of the CD versions better or worse than others in terms of sound quality? I've read that, since it's been disowned and not officially reissued, the CD versions often come from poorly done vinyl transfers.
Any tips for which of the grey-area CD versions to try and locate?

Thanks

krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 13:35 (eleven years ago) link

If there's a Can forum or similar where such a question might also have been answered by knowledgeable geeks then please point me that way too.

krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 13:38 (eleven years ago) link

I dont know about sound quality, but there are several different versions floating around - at least in Europe. The one released by Audelic contains Out Of Reach and the self titled album and is pretty cheap, there should be also a more recent version from Cleopatra (!) that according our supplier's database should be easily available.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:01 (eleven years ago) link

Thanks Marco. I didn't think to check for standardly available copies, assuming that the grey-area aspect would write them off, but I think I see the copy you mention, thought the UK distributor for Cleopatra isn't entirely clear and we definitely don't deal with whoever Synergie are ourselves. I'll try to see if maybe Cargo, F-Minor or PHD have it on their books.

krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:11 (eleven years ago) link

I think that all these versions are basically non-legit.
I saw the Cleopatra version is available through Bertus, a big Dutch supplier: I'm pretty sure all good UK distributors work with them.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:50 (eleven years ago) link

Cheers, that will probably help to know. If I can get it through the shop that's a bonus as I have a lot of left over holiday pay to write off.

krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 15:53 (eleven years ago) link

add to search: the peel sessions - "Up the Bakerloo Line w/Annie" sounds like an acid trip. in a good way

If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 16:10 (eleven years ago) link

I found it on a mp3 blog a few nights ago, Haven't listend to it yet.... not actually sure I want to. nothing worse than a bad album by a favourite band.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 17:31 (eleven years ago) link

Oh, I know it's not meant to be good. I want it purely for completeness reasons.

krakow, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 22:17 (eleven years ago) link

Is it 'bad'?

Or just 'bad by their standards'?

Mark G, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 08:08 (eleven years ago) link

It is truly and definitely BAD: the eponymous album has more than a couple of good moments, but Out Of Reach is pretty indefensible.
That said, I'm the proud owner of a copy exactly for the same reasons of Krakow. :)
The BBC album, instead, is marvellous and a fascinating glimpse into the band's compositional methods.

Marco Damiani, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 09:37 (eleven years ago) link

The best things on it are the Rosko Gee songs

Tom D (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 February 2010 10:13 (eleven years ago) link

eight months pass...

Anyone else think "Inner Space" is under-rated? I'm not sure it's up there with the canonical records, but it's close IMO.

Neil S, Saturday, 20 November 2010 12:06 (eleven years ago) link

nine months pass...

first time I've heard the recorded version of this track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxFYCE6VIt4&feature=related

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 20:20 (ten years ago) link

delay is ok... "the thief" is a banger

fennel cartwright, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 23:53 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Is Cannibalism worth bothering with? The remix of Yoo Doo Right sounds like warmed-over trip hop to me...

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Friday, 7 October 2011 12:30 (ten years ago) link

you mean Sacriliege? the Cannabalism albums are just compilations

frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2011 13:17 (ten years ago) link

Cannibalism 2 has a few of my fave Can moments (the crazy/fun Mother Upduff is supposedly a true story; Turtles Have Short Legs one of damo's best vocals; Shikiku Maru Ten also excellent wierdness)
the first Cannibalism is less essential if you already have the early Can records but there's a few different mixes iirc.
and yeah, Sacrilege had a couple pieces i liked but i only recall the Sonic youth one right now....

epigram addict (outdoor_miner), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:20 (ten years ago) link

cannibalism ii's just such a great listen - it's edited together so well, the first clutch of songs p much sync up & match jaki's drums up iirc.

honest weights, square dealings (schlump), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:22 (ten years ago) link

I never tried Cannibalism 1 since I have all the albums, plus I hate how "Yoo Doo Right" is the only full length piece there. Cannibalism 2 seems good but if you have Radio Waves and Unlimited Edition then it's kinda superfluous. Cannibalism 3 is a collection of solo material and it's actually pretty entertaining (though disappointing if you're expecting a lot of great instrumental stuff). As for the remix collection, I really thought it was a big wasted opportunity, you'll probably wind up liking 1-2 of the remixes and find the others a waste of time

frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2011 13:24 (ten years ago) link

Ah yes, sorry, I do mean Sacrilege. It's the 3p mix of Yoo Doo Right that didn't sound too great to me, some of the other remixers might do a better job though.

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:25 (ten years ago) link

So is this show the one that these two songs from Live Music (1971-1977) came from?

"Dizzy Dizzy" – 8:02
19th Nov 1975, Brighton, Sussex University
"Vernal Equinox" – 12:44
19th Nov 1975, Brighton, Sussex University

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 17:55 (three months ago) link

O SHIT
I hope so bc those tracks 🔥🔥🔥

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 19:44 (three months ago) link

Hope there's some Damo stuff coming down the pike, but also love that this zone of perfect rapport between the core members is getting so much richer.

Citole Country (bendy), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 19:53 (three months ago) link

I like that they're doing post-Damo stuff first, because my knowledge of post-Damo can is pretty meager.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 20:15 (three months ago) link

IIRC the main archive they're drawing on is a dude who made tapes mostly in the post-Damo years, so that's something to keep in mind.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 20:19 (three months ago) link

A lot of the live Can post damo ive heard has sounded better than the studio versions, so that makes it all the more exciting imo

Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 20:23 (three months ago) link

yeah, all this post-74 live stuff rules

unperson: Landed, Unlimited Edition, and Flow Motion are all really good!

sleeve, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 20:25 (three months ago) link

Indeed, and those albums are my cut-off point.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 20:30 (three months ago) link

They were playing Ege Bamyasi at REI in Portland today. It ruled

Davey D, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 20:33 (three months ago) link

A lot of the live Can post damo ive heard has sounded better than the studio versions, so that makes it all the more exciting imo

Live and studio Can were very much different things by then, by design I'd say. The band were great live in this period but tbh I've heard much better quality recordings - soundwise - than this.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 21:00 (three months ago) link

Saw Delight and Inner Space are quite good as well. Out of Reach is the only out and out dud they've ever made, in my opinion

well I guess the reunion album too, though that one is at least pretty funny

frogbs, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 21:01 (three months ago) link

i think when we did the can poll i fell in love with every can record except out of reach? rite time sounds cursed but i kinda like that

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 21:13 (three months ago) link

the single edit of "Hoolah Hoolah" which samples "Spoon" is hilarious

what can I say, I have soft spot for it somehow. it's really a bizarre record

frogbs, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 21:15 (three months ago) link

Inner Space is one I don't have, I need to check it out.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 21:31 (three months ago) link

That's "Can"? The last album? 'Tis good!

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:01 (three months ago) link

I love Saw Delight and Inner Space (and all the ones before too)

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:02 (three months ago) link

hard to think of another band that changed their sound so many times within a single decade. maybe Yellow Magic Orchestra

frogbs, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:12 (three months ago) link

All Gates Open one of my fave Can songs.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:50 (three months ago) link

amazing tune, sounds like a cosmic beer hall

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 23:23 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

I assume, by now, we've all seen the clip of Can playing "I Want More" on Top of the Pops - the one where Michael Karoli has been replaced by some guy who looks like Lou Reed, which is unfortunate as Karoli was the only member of Can who could conceivably pass for a pop star. Well, here's a clip of them playing it, with Karoli, with added bonus of some hilarious German comedy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVDqR8Del_Q

When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 November 2021 14:28 (one month ago) link

!!!!! thank you

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 28 November 2021 14:41 (one month ago) link

All Gates Open one of my fave Can songs.

Agreed – the guitar/keyboard refrain on the chorus is delightful.

A friend of mine owned the S/T record when we were teenagers and I was surprised by how great this was (and the record has more moments than its reputation suggests). The drop-off from most of the other post-Damo records, ie Landed/Flow Motion/Saw Delight, is negligible IMO. They’re much more of a piece in retrospect.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 28 November 2021 15:58 (one month ago) link

"Soon Over Babaluma" is post-Damo, definitely no drop-off there.

When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 November 2021 17:01 (one month ago) link

Gee “I Want More” sounds like an influence on Talking Heads’ “I Zimbra” to me.

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 28 November 2021 17:38 (one month ago) link

"Soon Over Babaluma" is post-Damo, definitely no drop-off there.

I left SoB off as it feels much more of the Future Days era than post-Damo – hence why I said “most.” But agreed.

Good call on “I Want More.”

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 28 November 2021 18:08 (one month ago) link

Great to see the Can/Inner Space album get recognized, for me it’s the best post-Babaluma record

There was a package with this and Out of Reach together which I think maybe convinced some people they were both crap

frogbs, Sunday, 28 November 2021 18:09 (one month ago) link

I don't think many people were interested in Can by 1979 tbh.

When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 November 2021 18:15 (one month ago) link

Or by a new album by Can in 1979 rather.

When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 November 2021 18:16 (one month ago) link

one time I listened to Soon Over Babaluma while totally zonked and had an epiphany that it was about making pasta

Dizzy Dizzy is gathering the ingredients, Come Sta is impatiently waiting for the water to heat up, Splash is when the bubbles start forming, Chain Reaction is when the water starts boiling like crazy, Quantum Mechanics is the moment you drop the spaghetti in

idk it made a lot of sense at the time

frogbs, Sunday, 28 November 2021 19:39 (one month ago) link

I like this interpretation

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 28 November 2021 20:05 (one month ago) link

was listening to The Individualism of Gil Evans earlier and thinking how much it reminded me of Can, only no matter good how amazingly great a drummer Jaki was - he was no Elvin Jones!

calzino, Sunday, 28 November 2021 20:24 (one month ago) link

I don’t think I’d heard “All Gates Open” before - thank you for that!

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 28 November 2021 21:23 (one month ago) link

tomorrow, then (some people already have their copies) https://canofficial.bandcamp.com/album/live-in-brighton-1975-2

StanM, Thursday, 2 December 2021 18:29 (one month ago) link

oon thanks

chaos goblin line cook (sleeve), Thursday, 2 December 2021 20:10 (one month ago) link

oon ooh

chaos goblin line cook (sleeve), Thursday, 2 December 2021 20:11 (one month ago) link

Prepare to meet thine oon

Mark G, Thursday, 2 December 2021 22:46 (one month ago) link

Oon Over Babaluna (Babaloona?)

nickn, Thursday, 2 December 2021 22:50 (one month ago) link

Listened from Eins to Vier this morning - it's another stellar release

willem, Friday, 3 December 2021 06:54 (one month ago) link

I bought it on Bandcamp but they haven't released the downloads yet. WTF?!?

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 3 December 2021 13:34 (one month ago) link

hey!!! there are vocals on this one!! what the hell

frogbs, Friday, 3 December 2021 19:35 (one month ago) link

Downloads now available.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 December 2021 20:13 (one month ago) link

Drei and Vier put some seriously frantic drive on the Dizzy, Dizzy and Vernal Equinox grooves!

the plant based god (bendy), Friday, 3 December 2021 22:40 (one month ago) link

Are these the same versions that are on Live 71-77?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 3 December 2021 23:22 (one month ago) link

This was a really fun listen. I don't really know how it compares to the Stuttgart show...on both I just kinda zone out to the endless grooves. I think this one was a little better. It definitely went harder in spots. also the last track being sort of an extended jam on the "Vitamin C" ending was neat.

also it does feature a very quiet section on Side E (Sechs) - you can hear some people's conversations. kinda wild that random conversations had 46 years ago are now being heard by thousands of people (not that you can make out what's being said)

frogbs, Friday, 3 December 2021 23:43 (one month ago) link

That’s my favorite part of the live recordings on 71-77 — the audience clapping is a whole other dimension to to the music. It’s part of why I think that version of Yoo Doo Right is superior to the recorded version. It’s so fun in the beginning and then at the end there is applause and you remember the whole thing was recorded live. What??!!! Amazing.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 4 December 2021 01:08 (one month ago) link

Are these the same versions that are on Live 71-77?


Drei and Vier are from the same Brighton show, yes. But they sound soooo much beton the new release

willem, Saturday, 4 December 2021 13:14 (one month ago) link

drum break on Brighton Zwei is my reason to live at the moment - the funk heart of Bel Air

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 13 December 2021 03:00 (one month ago) link

The Brighton set gets to the point more immediately, I think - it’s crunchier, longer.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 13 December 2021 12:32 (one month ago) link

And the crowd noise is an important ingredient. If you’re in public listening through earbuds or headphones it can trick you a little.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 13 December 2021 12:35 (one month ago) link

Any thoughts on what the themes for the artwork of the Live 1975 releases may be based on? Stuttgart/butterflies, Brighton/submarine..

willem, Monday, 20 December 2021 12:19 (one month ago) link


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