Crystal Castles

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Michael Bourke (Michael B), Sunday, 4 February 2007 18:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink


Saxby D. Elder (Saxby D. Elder), Sunday, 4 February 2007 18:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

wow these songs are kinda fuckin great

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 4 February 2007 19:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You should follow the link to their website

Soft Cell #44 (Roger Fidelity), Sunday, 4 February 2007 20:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Then your total gayness can be complete

Soft Cell #44 (Roger Fidelity), Sunday, 4 February 2007 20:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I already knew they did

etuetu (xave), Sunday, 4 February 2007 20:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The Myspace band recommendation usually sucks, but yeah, they're pretty neat.

Zachary S (Zach S), Sunday, 4 February 2007 20:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Those aren't even their best tracks up there...

Saxby D. Elder (Saxby D. Elder), Sunday, 4 February 2007 21:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I went ahead and preordered the Magic Spells 12", even though it didn't say when it was actually coming out.

Zachary S (Zach S), Sunday, 4 February 2007 23:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Old news, folks

brokenfuses (brokenfuses), Monday, 5 February 2007 00:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, gawd, remember when they were on the cover of Bop for 3 years straight and MTV would mention them on their news updates everyday? I'm glad they're not so oversaturated like they used to be. What kind of person would fail to have heard of Crystal Castles by now? Fuck.

Zachary S (Zach S), Monday, 5 February 2007 00:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 5 February 2007 00:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

do they endorse the microkorg

am0n (am0n), Monday, 5 February 2007 00:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ha, the deer picture from their 2nd myspace page is from my apartment

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 5 February 2007 01:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Old news, folks

people who give a shit about whether something is old news are so 1997

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Monday, 5 February 2007 02:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I told them bitches who Ada is.

mox twelve (Mox twleve), Monday, 5 February 2007 05:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'd rather have the new Chromatics stuff.

Steev (Steev), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

but you can have both and be happy

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

I just remembered that I preordered this. Still not out, I guess. The Liars remix posted on Pitchfork today is pretty excellent.

Z S, Friday, 15 June 2007 00:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

they were total dicks to everybody when they came through town but I loved their show anyway

still, their manners were fucking appalling

J0hn D., Friday, 15 June 2007 01:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

there are probably some people who still think that means they might be Proper Pop Stars I guess though

J0hn D., Friday, 15 June 2007 01:36 (eleven years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Fuck is this?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 4 February 2008 20:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

Dunno. Heard a couple tracks a year or so ago. Longer, I think. Fall of '06? Lo-fi 8-bit party noise w/ screaming? Just listened to a bunch of more recent stuff. Very, very bad.

contenderizer, Monday, 4 February 2008 20:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

love these guys. makes me want to get the old NES up and working and attempt to beat megaman 2

6335, Monday, 4 February 2008 21:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

They're an acquired taste (especially the screaming), but their remix of Klaxons - "Atlantis to Interzone" is great.

Spencer Chow, Monday, 4 February 2008 22:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

'Knights' is good, well the 'chorus' is phenomenal altho the whiny synth noise elsewhere does grate.

blueski, Monday, 4 February 2008 22:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

'air war', people

Michael B, Monday, 4 February 2008 23:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

there's a comp of their remixes going around that's good

remixes by them(him?) weirdly tend to be better than their original material. i guess it fits with their approach that they would put more effort into taking bloc party's money than putting out their own shit, though.

rmx of goodbooks' "leni" is A+

j. brooks, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 19:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

this has crazy grown on me

Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 13 March 2008 01:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

God, there are few bands I hate more than them, but this is probably a condition of living in the same city as them.

mehlt, Thursday, 13 March 2008 01:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

I went ahead and preordered the Magic Spells 12", even though it didn't say when it was actually coming out.

I should probably check and see if I ever got charged for this. I Paypal'd it.

Z S, Thursday, 13 March 2008 02:51 (ten years ago) Permalink

Basically the new rave Test Icicles, right?

Matt DC, Thursday, 13 March 2008 09:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

More like the "Donkey Kong" Test Icicles. I was over all this 8-bit punk/chip music in about 30 seconds.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 13 March 2008 09:24 (ten years ago) Permalink


Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 13 March 2008 17:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

Ow they make my ears go hurty.

chap, Thursday, 13 March 2008 17:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'm being asked to give up my radio show this week so that they can broadcast their concert.


elan, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 18:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

i love my lame city friends big upping this band

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 18:43 (ten years ago) Permalink


Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 18:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

i like that health track they did.

tipsy mothra, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 18:53 (ten years ago) Permalink

r u a bolg?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 19:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

wham city

am0n, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 19:12 (ten years ago) Permalink

fuck that... TEN CITY

elan, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 19:16 (ten years ago) Permalink

parts of this sound like the lost moby/alec empire tape. (which most people would mean as an insult but i don't.) "courtship dating" is pretty good.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 22 March 2008 06:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

Saw them live a few weeks ago and they weren't convincing, but I like the album.

zeus, Saturday, 29 March 2008 20:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Okay I fold, the album is really great. I'm trying to work out why something this cheap and shoddy and trashy is this affecting, and I can only put it down to that sense of sadness running through everything. It's like dying in Zelda over and over again.

Matt DC, Sunday, 27 April 2008 22:30 (ten years ago) Permalink

Laughed at the Zelda thing, but you're right - a lot of it is really sad sounding. Haunting and sad.

Savannah Smiles, Sunday, 27 April 2008 22:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

I'm actually a little disappointing because I was all fired up to give this a real kicking. Even the ones with the screaming work, I can totally see why they used Alice Practice in that grieving scene in Skins now.

Matt DC, Sunday, 27 April 2008 22:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

DisappointED, even. Although I am a little disappointing as well.

Matt DC, Sunday, 27 April 2008 22:40 (ten years ago) Permalink


still ike the album, tho

HI DERE, Friday, 9 May 2008 16:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

Maybe start a new thread? I know that ilx unlike other boards does encourage the use of older threads, but rather than retconning the opinions of a decade ago we could just move the discussion to somewhere with a more appropriate title.

emil.y, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 20:42 (ten months ago) Permalink

looks like somebody fixed it

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 October 2017 23:55 (ten months ago) Permalink

Didn't we already knew Ethan Kath was a huge douchebag? He wrote this when Alice released her first solo single:

yeah you totally don't care dude

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 26 October 2017 04:10 (ten months ago) Permalink

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 26 October 2017 04:11 (ten months ago) Permalink

yeah I remember that happening, and people generally thinking he was a fucking dickbag because of it. I certainly never gave them any time again after she left

akm, Thursday, 26 October 2017 04:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

Also someone should tell him CC best known song is Crimewave.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 26 October 2017 04:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

You know in the context of Alice's statement that facebook post from Ethan is proof that he is an insecure piece of shit and he did enjoy undermining her.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 26 October 2017 04:16 (ten months ago) Permalink

Seems all of CC upcoming concerts have been cancelled. Hope this is a career killer for him.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 26 October 2017 04:18 (ten months ago) Permalink

I can't defend Alice either though, two friends worked with her in some venues and she's also very rude and shitty to everyone.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 26 October 2017 04:23 (ten months ago) Permalink

Seems like that's two rather different things being compared.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 October 2017 04:26 (ten months ago) Permalink

also sounds like she may have some reasons for being emotionally uncomfortable in work situations with strangers

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 26 October 2017 05:01 (ten months ago) Permalink

Yeah of course they’re different things you’re right. Ethan apologists on the CC fb page right now are making me sick.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 26 October 2017 06:12 (ten months ago) Permalink

So much of that fourth Crystal Castles album was trolling Alice. He diminished her in statements, literally wrote her out of the band's history in its official press material, and seemed to be mocking her (and really all women) with that cover. It all seemed distasteful at the time, but in light of all the new information it's fucking abhorrent—an entire album of an abuser taunting his victim. Maybe the most morally unconscionable record since Chris Brown's Graffiti.

Evan R, Thursday, 26 October 2017 14:33 (ten months ago) Permalink

Yeah I feel like Alice's past rep as "difficult" has to be understood in this context. First of all she was just a kid when she started, and who knows what kind of encouragement he gave her to act out, how much she was following his lead, etc. No consolation to people who had to deal with snotty-young-punk behavior, but she was clearly coming from a weird place throughout the CC experience.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 26 October 2017 14:44 (ten months ago) Permalink

I was surprised that until this week there hadn't been much observable backlash from their fanbase (and some people who liked them enough to buy tickets to a show didn't even know that Alice wasn't in the group anymore).

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 26 October 2017 15:06 (ten months ago) Permalink

jfc some of the comments on that thread

Simon H., Thursday, 26 October 2017 15:21 (ten months ago) Permalink

"seemed to be mocking her (and really all women) with that cover" the girls on swings? really?

akm, Thursday, 26 October 2017 16:06 (ten months ago) Permalink

Four nearly identical girls, on an album that swaps out one woman for another like it's no big deal. Seemed meant as commentary on how replaceable/interchangeable women are to me. How did you read it?

Evan R, Thursday, 26 October 2017 16:20 (ten months ago) Permalink

i never got into this band but i almost did cos i liked the name alot (and she was v compelling as a performer) . i remember Hipster Runoff talked about them a lot and did some ironic/unironic objectifying of the lead singer. the whole thing is disgusting. really glad that she is out of that situation. holy crap.

fuck that fb post btw

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 26 October 2017 16:23 (ten months ago) Permalink

i read it as some goth kids on a swing, but I didn't think about it very much either.

akm, Thursday, 26 October 2017 16:37 (ten months ago) Permalink

(I've never listened to this band btw, but at one point was booked to open for them on this tour so ended up reading way more about them than I ever wanted to)

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 26 October 2017 17:19 (ten months ago) Permalink


kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 26 October 2017 17:23 (ten months ago) Permalink

Swapping out Alice Glass for basically a doppelgänger when she quit was eerie

Treeship, Thursday, 26 October 2017 17:23 (ten months ago) Permalink

I feel very disturbed by all of this given how much I listened to those first two albums in college

Treeship, Thursday, 26 October 2017 17:24 (ten months ago) Permalink

i thought the last album cover was just a nod to the horror film meme re scary dead eyed kids.

mark e, Thursday, 26 October 2017 18:30 (ten months ago) Permalink

I see someone's throwing a cow.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 November 2017 22:12 (ten months ago) Permalink

Suing her for just 300k? This will not end well for him.

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 3 November 2017 22:16 (ten months ago) Permalink

The actual facebook post with his comment is worse:

Passive aggressive asshole makes me think Alice is the one telling the truth and it will backfire to him. He's publicly drawing her as a drug addict with mental issues to try to discredit her account and then goes on to suggest that the only reason she is coming forth is that CC has "new success" without her - despite the fact that almost nobody really cares about either of them anymore, music-wise.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 4 November 2017 03:36 (ten months ago) Permalink

Also what the fuck at him saying he fully supported her when she left? Talking shit left and right to the media about her the minute she left, publicly shaming her doesn't seem very supportive tbh

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 4 November 2017 03:38 (ten months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

four more accounts of ethan's predatory behavior towards fans aged 14 to 19:

sophistipop 2 (stritram), Saturday, 17 February 2018 11:58 (seven months ago) Permalink

Surprised that nobody has replied to this. Then again, not sure what to say about it myself, apart from "fuck you Ethan Kath."

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:37 (seven months ago) Permalink

pretty much.

Simon H., Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:39 (seven months ago) Permalink

not being sarcastic or trying to make light of but the answer i truly think is far fewer people care about crystal castles than they did a few years ago

flappy bird, Sunday, 18 February 2018 00:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

The transgressive thrill of their abrasive feral/digital sound is kind of undermined by knowing it was made by a predatory creep and a woman under duress. It's a shame because I did love it.

startled macropod (MatthewK), Sunday, 18 February 2018 04:40 (seven months ago) Permalink

Of all the stories of abusers in music over the last couple of years, I think this is the one that sickens me the most, because this is the one critics were most complicit in. Sometimes the a musician is trash comes as a total surprise, but in this case the signs were there—three albums that sounded like a woman being abused; that vile Madonna image; Kath's horrid personality. We bought into myth that it was all just art. I feel retroactively gross for having enjoyed those albums so much.

The Madonna thing alone should have been a "fuck this, this is exploitative and gross" deal breaker, but we looked the other way.

Evan R, Sunday, 18 February 2018 19:31 (seven months ago) Permalink

three albums that sounded like a woman being abused

Genuinely curious what this means? (I've never listened to one of their albums)

change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 18 February 2018 20:43 (seven months ago) Permalink

Their stuff is all over YouTube, that's kind of a hyperbolic description of Alice Glass' raw, distressed vocal style rather than suggesting actual abuse took place during the recording. At least I assume it is.

startled macropod (MatthewK), Sunday, 18 February 2018 21:27 (seven months ago) Permalink

It's really not hyperbolic at. Don't want to embed anything b/c I don't want to be responsible for giving this band a cent of revenue, but one of their defining aesthetics, starting with "Alice Practice" and peaking on their third album, is "subjugated woman trapped in torturous hell, clawing like fuck to get out." Which is pretty powerful until you learn that may not have been a vision she consented to; it was a situation her bandmate put her in. This shit genuinely sounds like torture porn now.

Evan R, Sunday, 18 February 2018 21:42 (seven months ago) Permalink

on the other hand, the idea that a critic, even the most empathetic possible listener paying the closest possible attention, would be able to (let alone expected to) make the leap from "this album in an abrasive-sounding genre sounds abrasive" to "a woman is actually being abused in real life" doesn't sound reasonable. (it also isn't a perfect one-to-one correspondence -- there are legions of cases of industry abuse where the music sounds perfectly shiny and innocuous.)

(also in case it isn't clear abusers are scum and fuck them)

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 18 February 2018 22:46 (seven months ago) Permalink

I was going to say something akin to that but katherine said it better

Simon H., Sunday, 18 February 2018 22:48 (seven months ago) Permalink


crüt, Sunday, 18 February 2018 23:16 (seven months ago) Permalink

Glass herself has debunked the myth that “Alice Practice” etc were recorded without her consent or knowledge. She cites them as Kath’s campaign to minimise her creative role in the band, a bit like “well she didn’t know what she was doing but I saw the potential.” So that’s not abusive per se, whatever the ugliness of the relationships outside that context.

startled macropod (MatthewK), Sunday, 18 February 2018 23:39 (seven months ago) Permalink

Although if you meant that the motivation behind the extremist/desperate tone of her vocals was her real life horrifying relationship, and that’s abhorrent, then yes agree absolutely.

startled macropod (MatthewK), Sunday, 18 February 2018 23:42 (seven months ago) Permalink

yeah I agree there was no way to make that leap based on the music alone. But critics did look the other way when the band cynically exploited domestic abuse for marketing purposes, and critics readily bought into the narrative that both Kath and Glass were both difficult, almost equally problematic people. Again, not saying we could have or should have known what was actually going on, but there were some red flags that make me feel a shitload guiltier about having supported this band than I do compared to, like, Pinegrove or something

Evan R, Sunday, 18 February 2018 23:47 (seven months ago) Permalink

Although if you meant that the motivation behind the extremist/desperate tone of her vocals was her real life horrifying relationship, and that’s abhorrent

yeah exactly, even disregarding the circumstances of the recordings, which I can't know (maybe they were fun and enjoyable and a great experience for everybody), it's horrific knowing the muse wasn't fictional, that it was in some pretty clear ways a reflection of a toxic, controlling relationship. And it's really not much of a leap based on the reporting to guess that Kath justified his abusive tactics as "in the interest of the art" or some horrid BS like that

Evan R, Sunday, 18 February 2018 23:50 (seven months ago) Permalink

Extremely good news.

I won in court today!! the defamation lawsuit against me was dismissed !
thank you so much for the love and support throughout this ugly process

— ALICE GLASS (@ALICEGLASS) February 23, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2018 18:37 (six months ago) Permalink

very nice

flappy bird, Friday, 23 February 2018 18:37 (six months ago) Permalink

Excellent news

Simon H., Friday, 23 February 2018 18:41 (six months ago) Permalink

katherine otm

I really liked this band and definitely part of that was this obscurely sinister aspect of their sound, but now those features can only be understood as sickening. But only in retrosepcr. At the time I never thought it “sounded like a woman being abused,” I thought it sounded like a dynamic, unusal vocalist giving voice to feelings like desperation and anger.

treeship 2, Friday, 23 February 2018 19:01 (six months ago) Permalink

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