soul jazz records - C or D

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im not sure about soul jazz. their packaging is quite amazing, their liner notes and detail is also praiseworthy considering how many tacky comps get wheeled out all the time in black music, but i often find their actual comps a bit underwhelming. that might just be cos ive been hearing the wrong ones (how do digital mystikz get on a reggae comp though?) but i often get the sense theyre being a bit obscure just for the sake of it. i know thats the point, unearthing little known gems etc etc but well, sometimes 'gems' have been 'earthed' for a reason. i syppose its just a thing that comps are by their nature a bit hit and miss so a label specialising in them is bound to be even more prone to that.

titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Saturday, 3 February 2007 11:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm not very familiar with them, but I wonder (based on some of their Latin compilations) if some of the apparent obscurity-chasing is actually more a matter of limitations in what they are able to get the rights to.

Rockist Scientist, Hippopoptimist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 3 February 2007 11:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the 100 - 500 % Dynamite selection certainly has a few over-played anthems for my likings - and just not that impressed with the selections....don't rate that series very highly...though many do.

the New orleans funk/soul comps are great

toe-foo (toe-foo), Saturday, 3 February 2007 12:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Soul Jazz is one of the best reissue/comp labels. I hadn't heard of A Certain Ratio before their set on them. And the Nu Yorica! comps are classic.

In the end, they suffer from the problem of sometimes trying to get "too deep" in terms of the subject matter. I was not feeling the New York Noise series and Soul Gospel was underwhelming. Nice ideas but nice great tunes.

Also I hear the Jackson Sisters are pissed because their input wasn't taken into consideration for the recent set the label released on them.

B.Graff (mr_graff), Saturday, 3 February 2007 16:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

er, that should say "not great tunes"

B.Graff (mr_graff), Saturday, 3 February 2007 16:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I'm not very familiar with them, but I wonder (based on some of their Latin compilations) if some of the apparent obscurity-chasing is actually more a matter of limitations in what they are able to get the rights to.

Their Latin stuff seems to focus almost exclusively on the boogaloo/latin soul era.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 3 February 2007 16:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

New York Noise it's absolute classic masterpiece, expecially volume 3

for the reissues of the Studio One catalogue they deserve a Nobel, really
recents highlight have been the Acid trax compilation and the Tom Moulton mix one, but my favorite ever maybe are Philadelphia Roots and Miami Soul.

minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Saturday, 3 February 2007 16:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Also, ESG.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 3 February 2007 17:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

which has NO LINER NOTES AT ALL. I still really like it.

sleeve (sleeve), Saturday, 3 February 2007 17:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Re: New York Noise, for comps, I think they're really good in terms of song selection. Just taking Vol 1 for example, the DNA and Theoretical Girls songs on there are the best recorded output of those two particular groups.

ersatz (ersatz), Saturday, 3 February 2007 18:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Oh come on, classic all the way people. Sure you can bitch about a couple of individual comps, but their Studio One stuff is fantastic easily the equal or better of Heartbeat (and clearly created to not overlap much with the latters classic comps), the New York Noise series is the best of its type and the New Orleans Funk and Philly Soul stuff are both excellent. The Acid comp, ESG comp, the Burning Spear at Studio One.

"the 100 - 500 % Dynamite selection certainly has a few over-played anthems for my likings."

Talk about missing the point.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 3 February 2007 18:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i have to say the studio one rockers confuses me. i was expecting all rockers style reggae tracks, instead they give you one horace andy and some third-rate meters funk instrumentals.

am0n (am0n), Saturday, 3 February 2007 19:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Well, and the untouchable original version of "No, No, No".

Generally I find that I enjoy Trojan's reggae compilations more than Soul Jazz', although SJ's feel incalculably more nutritious.

James.Cobo (jamescobo), Saturday, 3 February 2007 20:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the DNA and Theoretical Girls songs on there are the best recorded output of those two particular groups.

I disagree!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 3 February 2007 20:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I disagree!

Well "5:30" is a personal fave -- what's yours?

ersatz (ersatz), Saturday, 3 February 2007 20:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the DNA and Theoretical Girls songs on there are the best recorded output of those two particular groups.

i disagree 2.

i still find it off that they didn't put 'us millie' on.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Saturday, 3 February 2007 20:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i don'tb know if i have a personal favourite dna track as they all rule but it might be 'lionel' or 'you and you' or 'blonde redhead'.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Saturday, 3 February 2007 21:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I still have to pick up the second and third volumes of New York Noise; the early ESG stuff and the Brazilian post-punk comp are also on my list.

I haven't heard much of anything else they've put out, besides spinning Saturday Night Fish Fry at HMV one night when the shift was winding down and the manager was out.

MacDara Conroy (MacDara), Saturday, 3 February 2007 21:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I like Blonde Redhead, but was mostly arguing the point re: Theoretical Girls. I'd prefer US Millie, Lovin in the Red or Computer Dating.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 3 February 2007 21:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I thought "Blonde Redhead" & "Moody" would've made #1 perfect.

But "Can't Be Funky" over "TooManyCreeps" was a good call.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 3 February 2007 22:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Their Sisters Love compilation* was fantastic. Some of the best Soul/Disco I've heard. Right when I was on a massive disco binge.

*not as salacious as it sounds.

from The ends of your fingers (prosper.strummer.), Sunday, 4 February 2007 14:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

what do you people think of this forthcoming comp on SJ called
D.I.Y. (Do It Yourself): half of the names i don't think (or remember)i have even seen, so it look interesting (to me at least):

Track Listings
1. Boredom - Buzzcocks
2. Ain't You - Kleenex
3. All Your Life With Me - APB
4. Everything's Roses - Fire Engines
5. Slice 1 - Naffis
6. Let's Build A Car - Swell Maps
7. Tight As A Drum - Leer, Thomas
8. Spirit Of Youth - Last Gang
9. Babysitter - Fitzgerald, Patrick
10. Shake (The Foundations) - Glaxo Babies
11. Love And A Molotov Cocktail - Flys (1)
12. Fish Needs A Bike - Blurt
13. Skank Bloc Bologna - Scritti Politti
14. Every Day I Die - Frantic Elevators
15. Fight For Peace - Radical Change
16. Slide - Artery
17. Distant Dreams - Throbbing Gristle
18. Creation Rebel - Windows
19. Paris France - Lucy, Tom & Wasted Youth
20. Paint Your Wagon - Red Lorry Yellow Lorry
21. Wolf - Prag Vec
22. Looking For The Cooking Pot - McDonald, Russ

minerva estassi (minerva estassi), Sunday, 4 February 2007 17:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I've got most of the DIY stuff, but I'll probably still buy it. It can't claim to be comprehensive though since there's no Desperate Bicycles.

Soul Jazz is quite classic with the only real mis-fire being the Chicago Soul compilation, but even that has some choice Rotary Connection tracks.

US Millie might have been left off because it's been re-issued several times before. Also, I vaguely remember there being some type of copyright dispute between Glenn Branca and Jeffery Lohn over old Theoretical Girls material. Dan, I’m sure, would have more info on that.

Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Sunday, 4 February 2007 17:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The DIY comp seems a bit weird to me, kind of all over the place, and much of it already available, though I guess it's not for the completists, though I can't see people who aren't really into the stuff thinking "I should get a DIY comp!" and if they did, they should probably get best of Messthetics or whatever.

US Millie had only been reissued on the ROIR NY Singles Scene CD on Danceteria which is a pretty forgotten (and slept on) release. I think it's a stronger song and judging from reviews at the time, was seen as the A-Side. You Got Me had been reissued as well on the Songs 78-79 CD.

No copyright disputes though, Glenn's basically controlling the songs he wrote, and Jeffrey his.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 4 February 2007 18:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Got the ACR "Early" disc. v.good, nice packaging sympthetic to orig. aesthetic.

Haven't investigated further, as may lead to expensive expansion of musical taste.

Phil Knight (PhilK), Sunday, 4 February 2007 19:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The Soul Jazz reggae comps seem to be WAY better mastered than ones from Trojan or Blood and Fire. Louder, more detail, etc.

todd (todd), Monday, 5 February 2007 02:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think that most of the Soul Jazz stuff is sourced from the original masters (I belief this is the case with the Studio One tracks anyway.) The B&F and Trojan things are often sourced from vinyl (to be fair this is because a lot of the masters for these records are lost--although Trojan's reasons may be less honest.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 February 2007 02:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I love Studio One Rockers, in spite of the unnecessary funk workouts in the middle, as mentioned upthread (did they really run out of rockers material?). The Michigan and Smiley track is worth the money alone.

The Tropicalia one is worth it for the liner booklet alone. Informative and beautifully presented.

Just bought the Studio One Rude Boy album. the concept is interesting but the record doesn't really knit together musically, despite some belting good songs e.g. Mr Kiss A Bang Bang.

Daniel Giraffe (Daniel Giraffe), Monday, 5 February 2007 14:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

everyone on this thread is (conveniently?) forgetting the working artists Soul Jazz puts out, the analog electro of Bell, the Hu Vibrational releases.

I know there's more, anything of note?

the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Monday, 5 February 2007 22:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Isn't the Sand stuff on there? They're supposed to be okay. I have the recent ESG record, but I've never listened to it.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 February 2007 22:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Does anyone know if the first New York Noise is OOP? Seems fairly difficult to come by, at least compared to the second two (which I've fallen for).

jonviachicago (jonviachicago), Monday, 5 February 2007 22:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's in print.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 February 2007 22:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

too much cool shit coming out at the moment.

village idiot (dog latin), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 15:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

heard this on the radio over the weekend (specifically the opening track, an amazing version of "Ring My Bell") and bought it when I saw it in the record store Monday. So, so good.

decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 14:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Love that comp. This also looks great:

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 6 June 2012 16:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

gotta hand it to them, the new ACID comp is pretty sweet, much better imo than the first one

the late great, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 21:50 (six years ago) Permalink

I am head over heels for the two Krautrock compilations they've put out.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 15:00 (six years ago) Permalink

I love 90% of what this label has released. If I only owned their Studio One and Dynamite comps and nothing else by anyone I would probably be happy for a long time.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 15:21 (six years ago) Permalink

one of the main things not on Spotify that I really wish was

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 15:40 (six years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

So, that Fashion Records comp. I'll admit I'm not the hugest Jungle head anyway, but throwing in random jungle remixes into a selection of early 80's Dancehall and trad Reggae is not the best way to enjoy those, right?

A lot of Soul Jazz stuff feels poorly sequenced to me, tho much the Brazilian and Venezuelan stuff flows very nicely...

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 15 April 2019 11:39 (two months ago) Permalink

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