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Hello I am moving to London this summer and I am excited to hear about the music scene there. We hear a lot about Nurave but on this forum people talk about Hauntology. What is Hauntology and is it popular in London?

Marco Simalj (duff), Monday, 29 January 2007 10:31 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.uktvadverts.com/Media/video/bt1.jpg

jimn (jimnaseum), Monday, 29 January 2007 10:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Do people take Ketamine at Hauntology parties?

Marco Simalj (duff), Monday, 29 January 2007 10:49 (seventeen years ago) link

past-its-use-by-date ketamine yes, ideally from 1990-93.

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 29 January 2007 10:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I read some more. It is not really a scene? People do not go out?

Hauntology is just another word for Reverb?

Marco Simalj (duff), Monday, 29 January 2007 10:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I said I had forgotten whether Suzy's house was directly opposite some trees, or directly opposite no trees at all.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 29 January 2007 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.kompaktkiste.de/cd/_abc/_a/ashad06.jpg

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 29 January 2007 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i always think of that when i see this word too

vita susicivus (blueski), Monday, 29 January 2007 12:41 (seventeen years ago) link

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/000718347X.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Tom D. (Dada), Monday, 29 January 2007 12:42 (seventeen years ago) link

... that's what i always think of

Tom D. (Dada), Monday, 29 January 2007 12:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Hauntology is just another word for Reverb?

OTM!

Neil Stewart (Neil Stewart), Monday, 29 January 2007 12:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Good trolling B+ would read again

God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Monday, 29 January 2007 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Derek Acorah would have made an infinite difference to this year's Celebrity Big Brother.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 29 January 2007 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

phenomenology is just another word for syncopation

friday on the porch (lfam), Monday, 29 January 2007 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I said I had forgotten whether Suzy's house was directly opposite some trees, or directly opposite no trees at all.

What you have done in volunteering to take your own life, Clive, is illuminate with poignant resonance the self-destructure in all of us.

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Monday, 29 January 2007 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Have you considered doing a hauntology in a vagina

Carl Taylor (688), Monday, 29 January 2007 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

hauntology > 'the politics of dancing'

the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 29 January 2007 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

Lol @ Wikipedia:

"Hauntology is an idea within the philosophy of history introduced by Jacques Derrida in his 1993 work Spectres of Marx and an emerging musical genre based on the idea. . . .

The term has more recently been used by music critic Simon Reynolds and blogger k-punk in reference to Ghost Box Music and Mordant Music."

Jesus.

three handclaps, Thursday, 13 December 2007 06:07 (sixteen years ago) link

I read Blissblog and K-Punk, but seriously, acknowledging how "hauntology" has been co-opted by musical critics should probably be a footnote and not part of the definition of the term itself.

I wonder what Derrida would have thought of Ariel Pink.

three handclaps, Thursday, 13 December 2007 06:08 (sixteen years ago) link

dude for once i am with you on something a++

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 13 December 2007 06:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Hahaha, excellent! :)

three handclaps, Thursday, 13 December 2007 06:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I read Blissblog and K-Punk, but seriously, acknowledging how "hauntology" has been co-opted by musical critics should probably be a footnote and not part of the definition of the term itself.

You know, I hear you can edit Wikipedia articles yourself now!

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 13 December 2007 06:30 (sixteen years ago) link

http://gallery.digitaldeviation.com/d/1229-1/o+rly__ruserious.JPG

three handclaps, Thursday, 13 December 2007 06:34 (sixteen years ago) link

What you have done in volunteering to take your own life, Clive, is illuminate with poignant resonance the self-destructure in all of us.

This kind of sounds like the Ultimate Warrior threatening somebody over the Internet

That mong guy that's shit, Thursday, 13 December 2007 09:47 (sixteen years ago) link

fuck k-punk in the ear.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 13 December 2007 09:53 (sixteen years ago) link

it's a blue jam quote.

derrida, more like shit.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 13 December 2007 09:54 (sixteen years ago) link

This just in from Derrida's representative on Earth:

"Ariel Pink? Ariel STINK, more like!"

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 13 December 2007 10:00 (sixteen years ago) link

ideas and aesthetics that are thought of as rustic, bizarre or "old-timey"

hell of a thinker, that derrida.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 13 December 2007 10:04 (sixteen years ago) link

He was Bernard Cribbins' regular stooge on The Good Old Days back in the seventies.

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 13 December 2007 10:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Gay-Punk, morelike

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 13 December 2007 10:08 (sixteen years ago) link

does mondeo pop have a wiki yet?

it wouldn't have to lean on old-timey books by fraudulent old academics and bloggers for credentials, that's fer sure.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 13 December 2007 10:09 (sixteen years ago) link

We need a piece on Plan B about it.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 13 December 2007 10:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Actually, that new Housemartins/Beautiful South best-of is HEAT. Don't front on "Five Get Over-Excited", that's the joint.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 13 December 2007 10:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Blissblog? PISSblog, more like!

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 13 December 2007 10:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Simon Reynolds morelike Judge Reinholds

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 13 December 2007 10:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Ghost Box? More like Ghost BOLLOCKS!

Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 13 December 2007 10:45 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.nataliedee.com/012506/maracas.jpg

Free Peace Sweet!, Thursday, 13 December 2007 10:48 (sixteen years ago) link

oshi

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 13 December 2007 10:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Marco Simalj was top class on this thread.

r|t|c, Thursday, 13 December 2007 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

so ... what would make leyland kirby HAUNTOLOGICAL and rice boy sleeps NOT HAUNTOLOGICAL?

(Also asked this on ILE but makes more sense here, I think).

djh, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Boo!

_Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 16:36 (fourteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

Hauntology, as its called, meaning 'that eerie-nostalgic reverence to boomer-era pop culture' is now a well-established aesthetic that has been around as long as the intervening period between being dreamt-up (by Boards of Canada/Look Around You etc) and the period its referencing.

So I'm interested - how do younger generations perceive the pop culture of their own youths? Is there an analogue for hauntology that could be ascribed to late-80s thru early-2000s ephemera? Is there a similar creepiness felt by those under 30 years old about, say Teletubbies or Mr Blobby or Power Rangers or what have you?

Shat Parp (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:12 (seven years ago) link

Vapourwave?

It's not 'creepy' in the same way but does conjur with imagined lost trajectories prior to 2001, rather than 1979.

That's a terrible summary of course; I actually had some good theories about Vapourwave but can't remember them right now ;-)

Noel Emits, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:24 (seven years ago) link

vapourwave was what i thought of immediately after posting. things like Encarta CD-Roms; the way games like Goldeneye (once considered cutting-edge) now seem quaint and blocky; early-internet nostalgia.. None of this seemed creepy at the time, but there was a dread going on with the early internet - cyberspace, chatrooms etc - that we don't think of any more

Shat Parp (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:30 (seven years ago) link

Is this like Scarfolk for Millenials?

https://www.twitter.com/sandwiccan/status/891749499151949824

Noel Emits, Monday, 31 July 2017 18:17 (seven years ago) link

And/or Americans.

Noel Emits, Monday, 31 July 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlnpue

MaresNest, Monday, 21 August 2017 21:47 (seven years ago) link

seven years pass...

Do other countries have hauntology equivalence? So often when we think of this aesthetic it boils down to "60s-80s UK and US childhood nostalgia and pop culture ephemera".

But do, say the French and Belgians have their own canon of weird shit they used to see on TV, like this crepey-ass Tatayet puppet for example?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEChY3jzW-M

Sade of the Del Amitri (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 October 2024 12:04 (one week ago) link

Or this unlikely hit song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnLrV8wBMoA

Sade of the Del Amitri (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 October 2024 12:05 (one week ago) link

Or this strange cabaret-reggae song about gangsters in Macao (TW: contains conspicuous yellowface - shared as an example, although I do like the song I admit)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W29TzA1-Qc

Sade of the Del Amitri (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 October 2024 12:07 (one week ago) link

the singing ringing tree

koogs, Tuesday, 22 October 2024 12:10 (one week ago) link

Haha all of this is too farcical to haunt me much

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 22 October 2024 15:24 (one week ago) link

Back in the days when I was listening to a lot of Ghost Box stuff I thought a lot about how it mapped onto Australia.

I guess a big strand of hauntological imagery in the UK is folk horror (or unease) for kids yeah? Stuff like the Children of the Stones or the Owl Service or the Changes or whatever. ~~vibes~~ from the past weirding out the present.

As a colony I reckon our version of that might be an author called Patricia Wrightson, who wrote a lot of stories about white kids encountering eerie manifestations of Aboriginal mythology. She is way out of favour now as you can imagine but as a kid her books were the first inkling I had that this country had a deeper cultural history. There was an ABC TV version of her book The Nargun and the Stars which I dimly remember and is probably terrible!

The grown-up version of this 1970s colonial unease is probably Wake In Fright by Peter Weir - which also has a top spooky synth soundtrack. I would say Patrick White hits this note sometimes as well but is probably not properly pop cultural enough to fit in the hauntology basket.

Anyway colonial Australia is p.terrible at remembering/ celebrating its own cultural history so none of these are fondly remembered like Sapphire and Steel or whatever.

Cognosc in Tyrol (emsworth), Tuesday, 22 October 2024 19:30 (one week ago) link

Argh fuck it for “Wake in Fright” pls substitute “The Last Wave”. Which by the way also feels like the past having a future dream about climate change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQkgXsTqzuY

Cognosc in Tyrol (emsworth), Tuesday, 22 October 2024 19:38 (one week ago) link

I'm not sure if I ever thought that hauntology was extremely interesting a concept, at least in its trickle-down appearance in articles about music or pop culture or whatever. But I feel like whatever energy it had in that regard has severely dwindled over the years. Have seen some incredibly facile and worn-out invocations of it in recent years, just like barely going beyond invoking it to mean 'an older thing has a legacy', and tbh even that is giving too much credit.

LocalGarda, Tuesday, 22 October 2024 21:24 (one week ago) link

Haha all of this is too farcical to haunt me much

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 22 October 2024 16:24 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Oh it's all very silly. But I'm thinking about how it compares to say, Noseybonk from Jigsaw (which I'm sure I was among the first people on the web to write about in terms of its creepiness, but has now become a bit of a shorthand for UK 80s kindertrauma). That Tatayet puppet is terrifying

Sade of the Del Amitri (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 October 2024 11:36 (one week ago) link

Why does he have witches dancing with broomsticks during his pop song 5.30 minutes in?

Sade of the Del Amitri (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 October 2024 11:38 (one week ago) link

When one of them takes off her mask. Like what the fuck?

Sade of the Del Amitri (dog latin), Wednesday, 23 October 2024 11:40 (one week ago) link


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