terminals touch v 3ds venus trail

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tell me theres someone who at least thinks these two long forgotten? records are worthy of battle or maybe at least discussion. they are my favourite nzild full lengthers, one considerably more mysterious than the other more muscular but catchy as hell 3ds, who else plays the guitar like david mitchell- blew my ears off one night in hamilton. who else sings like david crooks and makes music as beautiful as this record?c'mon... anybody?
...apart from your own personal favorite. i wasn't talking about them.

no sir.

matt plunkett (trumper), Sunday, 14 January 2007 07:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

both great lps, but why V? that's a little like an orange battling a plum. if we must, the title track of Touch takes all. and i could never pick a fave noisyland lp. not ever. ok, ... no.

Ghost Bear Junior High Attendance Party (Ghost Bear Junior High Attenda), Sunday, 14 January 2007 07:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

COS RECENTLY there has been lots of lists etc with the flying nun 25th thing. (i know its like comparing different kinds of fruit, i would prefer perhaps an overripe tomato and an alcoholic kumara) and i think that these two get missed, esp terminals touch..or did it come out on expressway..but whatever they don't get the ticks and wowgees they deserve.

give them ticks please. i saw the 3ds many times but not the terminals hence they seem kind of holy and mysterious. nothing like the live experience to thump you back to earth.

although the live 3ds experience did nothing to detract one iota from the records.wowee.

matt plunkett (trumper), Sunday, 14 January 2007 07:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

plums not only have a better colour but dont squirt all over your hand and get sticky, hence win.

matt plunkett (trumper), Sunday, 14 January 2007 07:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Fuckin' brilliant albums both. Must get back to NZ sometime soon. Am somewhat drunk, more later.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 14 January 2007 08:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

hey, i posted in your ILE thread with the same subject. what a ripoff.

and touch would be my favorite NZ lp ever, for what it's worth. and it and the follow up little things both came out on raffmond, i think.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Sunday, 14 January 2007 08:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

apologies i have had too much vodka and all the "i love" threads had me confused.

it can be sometimes disorienteering to take too much alchohol.

matt plunkett (trumper), Sunday, 14 January 2007 09:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i should credit steven cogle and peter stapleton probably more than crooks. he did that thing upstairs andwhat ive heard of wyoming - both great tracks but then the whole lp is. i find myself pacing round the room listening to this - it really is great.great
if you want to pace!

my dog dosent like it though.

not good for dogs.

matt plunkett (trumper), Sunday, 14 January 2007 10:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

well, im talking to myself.
thats ok.
heres some lyrics i just heard.

the carnival is in the air.
you have to think so quick.

the shadows are not sensible,
they're lurching with uncertainty.
the hallway is a bunker,
the lawns an open grave,
they've taken now to calling
in the middle of the day.

matt plunkett (trumper), Sunday, 14 January 2007 10:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That's my favorite Terminals album, but not my favorite 3Ds record -- so in this case the Terminals totally win.

Much as I like those two bands, I prefer records by the Great Unwashed, Snapper, Renderers, Clean, Dead C, Gordons, Chills, Tall Dwarfs and Alpaca Bros. (never had a long player but still...) but that just goes to show how crazy-good NZ music is/ was.

Super jealous you saw the 3Ds a bunch, fuck. Is David Mitchell's solo project Ghost Something-or-other any good?

Michael J McGonigal (mike mcgonigal), Sunday, 14 January 2007 10:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

terminals have stephen cogle, his beautifully odd voice in the midst of the maelstrom is so impressive. 3ds seem more like a pop band sometimes, must be the david saunders effect but then on something like mitchell's 'philadelphia rising' they approach the same level of craziness as the terminals. seen both live, terminals kill the 3ds, no question. 3ds seem almost polite in comparison. 'do the void' is the greatest terminals song ever but 'in and out of my mind' from 'touch' comes close. how did the evolution from the squeaky clean pop of say 'frozen car' to later version terminals and 'do the void' occur? is it just a change in philosophy from the pristine recording studio to home recording?

keyth (keyth), Sunday, 14 January 2007 17:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I personally have never been able to "get" The Terminals, in spite of having a few records, so my vote goes to that fantastic 3Ds album (which still isn't as good as the "Dead Dog In Port Chalmers" single).

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Sunday, 14 January 2007 17:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I can't imagine the 3Ds seeming polite! I have never heard the Terminals, knowingly. "Songs for Swarthy Swabs" or whatever it was called is better than Venus Tail I think.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Sunday, 14 January 2007 18:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i wouldnt say 3ds were polite.they used to play live at beyond ear splitting levels. sure david saunders was kind of wierdly pop but that worked beautifully with david mitchell absolutley destroying himself in huge furious squals of noise most of the evening. he really was a sight to behold. he didnt seem to have much respect for his guitar at all, he made the instrument look like he was wrestling a snake. only denise atually looked human and normal compared to mitchells possesed demon type of thing and saunders who was almost too happy and goofy and then dominick the drummer, well he just always loked the same - staring into space, kind of goofed out.
maybe he was on the same drugs as david saunders.

but it really was a maelstorm and my ears were ringing for days afterwards. i saw them play maybe 7-8 times and for a long period there they were incredible each and every time. i thought i wouldnt want to be watching any other band anywhere. then they put out that last recored 'sad news for the angels' and it was clear the fire had gone. what a sad way to end. but i reckon that for a period of a about3-4 years there from before hellzappopin probably up to about a year after the venus trail there wasnt a better band on the planet. or in the world.

or even the entire universe.

or the solar system.of the galaxy.

in my underpants?

matt plunkett (trumper), Sunday, 14 January 2007 19:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i remember when spin placed 'hellzapoppin' at the top of their best albums you didn't hear list. the only good thing about pavement was that they used to drag around new zealand bands with them on tour, that was where i first saw the 3ds.

keyth (keyth), Sunday, 14 January 2007 20:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

DUDE! new terminals track posted on the last visible dog website! new album called last days of the sun! i had no idea!

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Saturday, 9 June 2007 05:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

They're chatting about a possible compilation (to include rarities, etc.) over at the 3ds' myspace page. I'd kind of forgotten about them, and pulled out Venus Trail and damn it's still an incredible album.

I started thinking of doing a poll for best song, and then decided not to because I don't think enough people know it well enough to be interested, but if there was ever a record where I'd have a hard time picking a favorite track...

dlp9001, Monday, 1 December 2008 03:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

beautiful things would be the track for me, but i can't resist a pop tune like that

thereminimum chips (electricsound), Monday, 1 December 2008 03:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

God, I hope they release some the rarities they talk about on that myspace page. Anyone ever heard their peel session?

As for best song on "The Venus Trail," that a tough one because, even though I think it was once my favorite album, I actually haven't listed to it in years. Though looking at a tracklisting now, it does seem that beautiful things is probably the best. Or maybe the title track.

askance johnson, Monday, 1 December 2008 06:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

is track two called Philledelphia Rising that song crushes me when its played far too loud- especially the outro. What a monolithic slab of gloriousness. seems like talk of a reunion was premature, which is sad. even if reunions destroy the myth, its a risk i would be willing to take in a heartbeat. Come back 3ds!!

Hinklepicker, Monday, 1 December 2008 09:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Just rebought a lost copy...it's a little softer, but my pick is probably "Young and the Restless." So pretty. What a band. Spooky is also more amazing than I remembered it.

paulhw, Thursday, 11 June 2009 23:30 (eight years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Dug out The Venus Trail today and it has aged really well! Syrupy pop + guitar squalls + melodies -- good stuff.
3Ds were great, but Hellzapoppin is among the worst album titles though. Up there with Rastakraut Pasta for "this is embarrassing to say out loud"

Anyway, here's to the 3Ds.

it was pleasant and delightful, just like (La Lechera), Monday, 15 August 2011 15:32 (six years ago) Permalink

Flying Nun just released a comp of early demos and singles, I believe.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 15 August 2011 16:22 (six years ago) Permalink

Flying Nun just released a comp of early demos and singles, I believe.

Yep - We Bury The Living

I was always slightly perplexed by this thread and the comparison made, as the 3Ds were genuinely popular in NZ - supported U2, "Hey Seuss" had the longest continuous run at #1 on student radio in history (I think), etc etc etc. Nothing against the Terminals, mind!

etc, Monday, 15 August 2011 16:36 (six years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Brian Crook's first solo album Bathysphere has been issued on vinyl by Meds:


It's a really cool, weird album, with some Terminals-esque garage rock, noisy/free-form stuff and quieter, dark tunes.

you ain't Patrice so why you Rushen (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 08:39 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Stephen Cogle's new band:


etc, Sunday, 10 November 2013 08:06 (four years ago) Permalink


shortbread, offal and heroin (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 10 November 2013 09:53 (four years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

Terminals singles comp coming out on Ba Da Bing:


Looks like they left off the B-side from the Medusa 7", which is kind of odd.

Brocktoon Tanuki (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 26 October 2014 12:46 (three years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

So I got the Terminals singles comp over the weekend and of course it's amazing! I was already familiar with most of the songs, but it's good to have them in one place.

Somebody should put out a 3Ds singles comp actually.

Modern French Music from Failure to Boulez (askance johnson), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 21:01 (three years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Terminals sans crooks apparently new lp all ready to go - no 3ds news to speak of

peanutbuttereverysingleday, Monday, 24 October 2016 04:52 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

And here's that new Terminals news:


The Terminals are the best rock band New Zealand has ever produced.
Period. I know there’s heavy competition, but believe it. No group has
lasted over three decades and maintained intensity, structure and mood
better than the core team of Steven Cogle and Peter Stapleton. Cogle’s
voice is a quavering incantation of deep spell-casting, throwing more
dirt onto the already gritty guitar squalls. Stapleton’s rhythm
section propels songs through lightning charges of tempo and energy.
Age has only embedded The Terminals’ mastery to deeper sonic realms.
The ten years between their last album, Last Days of the Sun, and the
release of Antiseptic, whip by in a flash when you play these records
next to each other. The Terminals never disappoint, they never relent.

Antiseptic does mark some changes, however. Longtime guitarist Brian
Crook now lives in the California desert, so Nicole Moffat has
replaced him, providing violin and vocals. Mick El Borado thickens the
atmosphere with his improvisational keyboard playing. A group that has
stayed together so long knows instinctively where a song can go,
although it is often the maverick pieces – ones that at first don’t
seem to belong -- that end up on the records. Their work together has
become only more sagacious, and The Terminals don’t waste an intended
or improvised note. Antiseptic is a peerless rock album, unless you
can think of another group who’ve stayed as heavy, as broke, and
consistent for this long.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 April 2017 16:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Bandcamp page up for that new Terminals album


Listening to an advance now -- it's very great! Long may they thrive in whatever configuration.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 May 2017 03:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

I like Venus Trail fine, but am much more enthusiastic about the 2 on 1 disc of Fish Tales and Swarthy Songs for Swabs. It seems, to my ears at least, to have much stronger songwriting all around. And the band has more "piss and vinegar" if you will. And i generally will always go with the earlier works of nearly all the FN/NZ bands, because to paraphrase Byron Coley, "lo-fi is my fi" esp. when rendered thru Chris Knox's magic 4track. Only Terminals I know is the expressway tape "disease", which is noisy as hell and quite grebt also.

VyrnaKnowlIsAHeadbanger, Monday, 15 May 2017 04:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

New Terminals album is very good. They're one of those bands with a sound that aging just seems to suit, really.

Most recent Renderers album's really good, too, incidentally.

the evening redness at the injection site (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 28 May 2017 02:19 (seven months ago) Permalink

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