Aftermath and Between the Buttons

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Do I want the US or UK versions of these two albums? And are there any other Rolling Stones albums offered in both versions? These are the only two that come to mind, and two of the only Stones albums that I've never picked up.

......... (Pearl Hooch), Saturday, 13 January 2007 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link

UK! UK! UK!

zzzzzzzzzzrrrrrrrrrr (teenagequiet), Saturday, 13 January 2007 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Would it not be better to get the US versions + Flowers?

......... (Pearl Hooch), Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

The differences:

US Aftermath has Paint It Black & Going Home. UK Aftermath has Take It Or Leave It, Mother's Little Helper, What To Do and Out Of Time. The rest of the songs are the same. Obviously Paint It Black is essential. Going Home is classic too, although you've got to be in the mood to hear Mick jerking off for 13 minutes.

The verdict: UK Aftermath, and download the two songs left off. Next up we'll crunch the data on Between the Buttons.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i mean honestly the correct answer here is to get the UK versions of both of these albums and then also buy the london years singles comp and that'll take care of everything from this period. london years is a-ma-zing and 100% worth your purchase anyway, but if you get the UK versions of aftermath and btb then you have the least amount of overlap, if you care about such things.

ZR (teenagequiet), Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link

UK Between The Buttons has Please Go Home and Back Street Girl. US has Let's Spend The Night Together and Ruby Tuesday.

US easily wins this one.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:35 (fourteen years ago) link

oh man "back street girl" is so good though!

ZR (teenagequiet), Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, but if you've just got to pick between the US and UK versions of those two classic records, (not counting any box sets or other greatest hits records,) USA wins Between The Buttons but the UK takes Aftermath.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Sorry for all the confusion (I've always considered myself a huge Stones fan, but mostly the '68-'72 years), but how many songs on London Years aren't on their regular studio albums? I gave the tracklisting a quick lookover and it looked like it was mostly songs that I already have.

......... (Pearl Hooch), Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:41 (fourteen years ago) link

xp - yeah i suppose i would agree with that. both versions have "connection" though so really you can't go wrong here. the UK btb is def. more fey and anglo than the US one and it's just so out of character for the stones that i sort of like the UK one more for that. they were really good at that sound; they shoulda kept with it for longer.

ZR (teenagequiet), Saturday, 13 January 2007 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link

UK Between The Buttons has Please Go Home and Back Street Girl. US has Let's Spend The Night Together and Ruby Tuesday.
US easily wins this one.

on the other hand, you've heard spend the night and ruby tuesday a million times and maybe you have them on this comp or that comp and quite possibly you've never heard back street girl, and you've really really got to hear that one.

bobby darin has a really over-the-top schmaltzy version of back street girl that's pretty good.

between the buttons is one of the best things the stones ever did. almost a bubblegum record. i too wish they kept with that mid-'60s style for longer.


fact checking cuz (fcc), Sunday, 14 January 2007 05:51 (fourteen years ago) link

US Aftermath has Paint It Black & Going Home. UK Aftermath has Take It Or Leave It, Mother's Little Helper, What To Do and Out Of Time.

UK Aftermath has Going Home too.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 14 January 2007 06:40 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Aftermath UK starts off like an acid bull, and sort of fades....
Between the Buttons UK is bitty. Both sorely miss their accompanying singles.

Good news is I've got sixtiesphane coated mono originals of both. If I nurture them well, they'll fund a grand set of golf clubs on retirement.

Phil Knight (PhilK), Saturday, 3 February 2007 00:30 (fourteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

US version of between the buttons rules the school.

treeship., Tuesday, 16 June 2020 22:38 (one year ago) link

you can't really write songs about manic pixie dreamgirls anymore (a la ruby tuesday) because of over-civilization. #uncool #conservative #belief #banme

treeship., Tuesday, 16 June 2020 22:40 (one year ago) link

if anybody can undermine the cutesiness of Ruby Tuesday it's the Stones or also Marianne tbh

Ivan Scampo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 22:47 (one year ago) link

anyway Connection is the greatest Stones song ever, sometimes the best song ever so

Ivan Scampo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 22:48 (one year ago) link

there is a total decaying ice cream vibe to Ruby Tuesday, i know what you mean about mpdgs but the Stones were nothing if not avatars of the rotten

Ivan Scampo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 22:49 (one year ago) link

ohmigod Connection just came up fuck everything this is the riff i'm hearing on the way down to hell

Ivan Scampo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 22:50 (one year ago) link

I prefer the UK versions for both. I also typically listen to the singles via LP compilations like Big Hits, which is probably why the US versions feel redundant to me. Anyway, it's too bad ABKCO didn't just append the singles (and "Ride On, Baby") to the UK albums, it would give us the best of both worlds on a single disc, but that would be atypically consumer friendly coming from them. (FWIW, I also prefer the mono mixes for both albums.)

birdistheword, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 22:50 (one year ago) link

i don't even own a mono tbh

Ivan Scampo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 22:51 (one year ago) link

jesus don't even start me there are feebs who think rock exists outside or beyond this album, this is the marker and monolith and end of it

Ivan Scampo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 22:54 (one year ago) link

your enthusiasm for this album's inspired me, noodle. i've listened to both the uk and us tracklist, buncha times today.

treeship., Wednesday, 17 June 2020 17:49 (one year ago) link

the meanness of songs like yesterda's papers—not just cruel, but also kind of small, and bullying—is always shocking to me.

treeship., Wednesday, 17 June 2020 17:51 (one year ago) link

man oh man I love Keith’s vocals in “something happened to me yesterday”

brimstead, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 18:04 (one year ago) link

I wanna say that I don't find the "Ruby Tuesday" lyric to be cutesy. I find myself rooting for the Stones in this endeavor to sing about a female protagonist who has empowered herself. And also to believe in their wistful sentiment about loss in having to say goodbye.

timellison, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 23:11 (one year ago) link

What's harder to get used to with the UK BtB isn't the absence of the singles. It's the inclusion of "Please Go Home" with its aggressive psych noise. What was fine on the patchwork Flowers seems jarringly out of place on Buttons, until you accept it as more Stones-being-Stones than the rather whimsical songs surrounding it.

punning display, Thursday, 18 June 2020 00:41 (one year ago) link

I don't know, I feel like that fits in with the rock energy on almost half the album - Connection, Miss Amanda Jones, All Sold Out, My Obsession.

timellison, Thursday, 18 June 2020 06:04 (one year ago) link

(Although it's my least favorite of that group of five, so I don't miss it on the U.S. version I'm used to.)

timellison, Thursday, 18 June 2020 06:06 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

send up the karl malone signal!!

anyway i was listening to “my obsession” and the vamp they hit near the end with the falsetto “ooh, babaaay”s and that riff just churning woozily along feels so ghostly and perpetual and weirdly modern to me. a dreamy moment of platonically perfect rock. the remaining stones should turn it into an NFT lol

Tracer Hand, Friday, 10 September 2021 14:31 (one week ago) link

There's something "try-hard" about Between the Buttons after the confidence of Aftermath, everything on the second side feels forced to me, both the whimsy and the frenzy.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 10 September 2021 14:52 (one week ago) link

FP

Tracer Hand, Friday, 10 September 2021 15:01 (one week ago) link

I hated Between the Buttons the first time I heard it, and I get the impression the British press hasn't been so kind to it throughout the years, but I love it now. FWIW, the mono mix of the UK version is the one that got me into it - something about the stereo mixes feels too thin and diffuse because they're so damn wide. (Bob Ludwig even tried to narrow them for the 2002 remasters.) The album's a beautiful little pop gem, especially the quieter numbers like "Backstreet Girl," and Wes Anderson really made a perfect choice in featuring the album in his third film because it captures all the shades of his work very well.

birdistheword, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:38 (one week ago) link

man oh man I love Keith’s vocals in “something happened to me yesterday”

brimstead, Friday, 10 September 2021 20:15 (one week ago) link

"If You Let Me" from Metamorphosis, apparently recorded in early 66, would have been a worthy addition to Aftermath if it didn't sound so close to "I Am Waiting". It would have been good enough for Flowers, anyway.

Halfway there but for you, Friday, 10 September 2021 21:48 (one week ago) link

Flowers is such a weird release. In the UK, it would be redundant or worthless crap burying one gem unavailable elsewhere, but in the US it was "essential."

birdistheword, Friday, 10 September 2021 22:24 (one week ago) link

There's something "try-hard" about Between the Buttons after the confidence of Aftermath, everything on the second side feels forced to me, both the whimsy and the frenzy.

Interesting, I think have almost the opposite impression. I was very into Between the Buttons as a kid, and I just went back to it and found everything about the way I experienced it as a kid there waiting for me, preserved in amber. (I can tell I haven't listened to it much as an adult, because I got to "Who's Been Sleeping Here?" and thought, oh, this is the one where the CD skips. Then I remembered that I have Spotify now and that CD got stolen when I was fifteen.) I remember I found the first three songs affected and difficult to like in different ways, so it felt like those first three songs were a sort of slow on-ramp to the album. Like, I listened to them, but once "Connection" kicked in it was like, "okay, here we go, this is where it gets really good."

I was very into "All Sold Out" as a kid; I think it had to do with how rhythmic Jagger's vocals are, how much he emphasizes the meter of the lyrics, and also (this is something I like about the album in general) how perfectly the lyrics fit together and how little they actually mean. It's like Jagger at this stage of his life has a brain filled with impeccably scanning, vaguely insulting, slightly affected snappy lines and they just flow out effortlessly, no actual thinking required.

I missed
the point of your doing it
your mind
has just jumped a track
I took
a bit different view of it
you sold me out and that's that

It sounds great. It's almost, but not quite, meaningless. And he could probably do this all day. There's something about that ease and confidence that I found very appealing as a kid and still do.

Lily Dale, Friday, 10 September 2021 23:37 (one week ago) link

To be honest I don't care for Between the Buttons as a whole, but the track "Please Go Home" stands above the rest as something interesting. It points toward an avenue the Stones could have taken but never did - basically, psychedelic Bo Diddley. And I think this was slightly in advance of Bo Diddley himself going psychedelic, on tracks such as "I'm High Again."

Josefa, Saturday, 11 September 2021 02:44 (one week ago) link

Great post Lily!!

Urm… my copy of Between The Buttons doesn’t have a song called “Please Go Home”??

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 11 September 2021 11:13 (one week ago) link

Is that supposed to refer to “Going Home” on Aftermath?

What Does Blecch Mean to Me? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 September 2021 11:52 (one week ago) link

"Please Go Home" is on the UK version of BtB only

Josefa, Saturday, 11 September 2021 11:59 (one week ago) link

...and eventually appeared in the US on Flowers

Josefa, Saturday, 11 September 2021 12:02 (one week ago) link

I love BTB.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 September 2021 13:57 (one week ago) link

...it's too bad ABKCO didn't just append the singles (and "Ride On, Baby") to the UK albums, it would give us the best of both worlds on a single disc, but that would be atypically consumer friendly coming from them. (FWIW, I also prefer the mono mixes for both albums.)

Turns out, they're legally bound to keep the original album configurations as-is (whether it's the U.S. or U.K. version) per the infamous contract that got them ownership of the Stones catalog in exchange for severing their ties to the group.

birdistheword, Saturday, 11 September 2021 20:05 (one week ago) link

Speaking of ABKCO, has anyone read the Allen Klein bio?

What Does Blecch Mean to Me? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 September 2021 20:41 (one week ago) link


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