Arctic Monkeys: Classic Or Dud?

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Definitely dud here. A bunch of watered-down Jam rip-offs.

GLC (ZakAce), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

At least one European company, a leading jam manufacturer in the UK, denied as recently as five years ago that there was any link between Golliwoggs and black people — in this case in a 2001 statement, reported by the BBC, Virginia (Ginny) C Knox, who was a brand director for Robertson's, and is now Chief Operating Officer of the Culinary Brands Division of RHM, told the Herald Newspaper in Scotland in 2001 that the decision to remove the Golly (Golliwogg) symbol from Robertson's jam and marmalade jars was taken after research found that children were not familiar with the character, although it still appealed to the older generations.

She denied the Golliwogg symbol was being "retired" because it was an offensive image. "We sell 45 million jars of jam and marmalade each year and they have pretty much all got Golly on them," said Ms Knox. "We also sell 250,000 Golly badges to collectors and only get 10 letters a year from people who don't like the Golliwogg image".[1]

Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://www.maxbass.com/images/golly.jpg

"Your name ain't Rio but I don't care for sand..."

Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It's all in the lyrics. Quick turns or phrase, biting wit and insightful observations. Not bad for a debut album and a songwriter who was only 18 when he wrote most of the songs.

lawrencerock (lawrencerock), Sunday, 22 October 2006 21:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Rappers say "fuck the police" and "bitches ain't shit" with better beats and catchier flow.

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 22 October 2006 21:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

What Anthony said. Anyway:

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ailx.wh3rd.net+arctic+monkeys

Please use those.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 October 2006 21:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

eight years pass...

Absolutely fucking dud.

Their debut seems to be on countless lists of "best albums of the '00s" and to this fucking day I've never been able to figure out why. Sure, there's the occasional witty lyric and some good drumming, but witty lyrics and good drumming alone do not make a great album. Alex Turner's delivery and incredibly limited melodic sense on top of some of the most lumpen chord progressions leads to pretty much every song sounding near enough the fucking same, and most of the material for me most part strikes me as being very unmemorable. To be honest with you, I thought these fuckers were nothing more than a fad back in 2006 and never really understood why everyone seemed to be collectively ejaculating at the mere thought of 'em, especially when there were much better bands around at the time. In fact, I thought so little of them that I remember thinking that maybe, just possibly, their careers would be over in a small handful of years a la Kula Shaker when everyone realised how rubbish they were. I wasn't a massive fan of Franz Ferdinand either, but I thought they were miles and miles ahead of Arctic Monkeys at the time, and still think they're the superior band. Listening back, Franz Ferdinand's debut still holds up incredibly well. The Arctic Monkeys one doesn't, but did it ever?

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Thursday, 16 July 2015 16:50 (two years ago) Permalink

Melodic sense certainly developed in some positive directions...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12dzPEm9J6A

vmajestic, Thursday, 16 July 2015 17:49 (two years ago) Permalink

Haha, er...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rq0Ag15sAI

vmajestic, Thursday, 16 July 2015 17:50 (two years ago) Permalink

yeah i wouldn't really hold their debut against them anymore, they've grown tremendously

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 July 2015 17:51 (two years ago) Permalink

The second album >>>> the debut

I've been pleasantly surprised at how their fifth album is their best seller.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 July 2015 18:00 (two years ago) Permalink

im a fan, but yeah, a lot of their songs do follow lumpen indie structures/chord changes with tragic faithfulness which ruins the replay value.

StillAdvance, Thursday, 16 July 2015 21:32 (two years ago) Permalink

last album had some of their best stuff though, even if the dr dre production impersonation could occasionally have been done a bit better.

StillAdvance, Thursday, 16 July 2015 21:32 (two years ago) Permalink

I always pictured Alex Turner giving a sly wink after that "save it for the morning after" lyric in Teddy Picker. I never got this band despite all my friends going crazy for them back in '06. I do like some kitchen-sink lyricism but they never did it for me and the new stuff sounds compressed and boring like all modern rock does now. and Alex Turner has turned into shithead Indie Bono. I do like "Cornerstone" though. They got it right there imo.

tayto fan (Michael B), Thursday, 16 July 2015 21:56 (two years ago) Permalink

This band paved the way for a new, bright future by being slightly less lumpen than their 05-07 landfill chums

Master of Treacle, Thursday, 16 July 2015 22:10 (two years ago) Permalink

I've been a fan of them since their second album and I think they've only gotten better at just about everything since then. What Alex Turner's always had from the beginning though is undeniable charisma. Even back in 05 when they were shit at guitar and all the songs sounded the same he had a commanding presence.

MrExplorer, Friday, 17 July 2015 00:28 (two years ago) Permalink

This band paved the way for a new, bright future by being slightly less lumpen than their 05-07 landfill chums

― Master of Treacle, Thursday, July 16, 2015 10:10 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ooh, I dunno. As I said before, I thought Franz Ferdinand were making better music at the time, and I still think Bloc Party, Maximo Park and The Futureheads debut albums are all good records, even if they seemed to struggle to match those albums afterwards.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 18 July 2015 21:37 (two years ago) Permalink

What Alex Turner's always had from the beginning though is undeniable charisma. Even back in 05 when they were shit at guitar and all the songs sounded the same he had a commanding presence.

― MrExplorer, Friday, July 17, 2015 12:28 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm beginning to think I must be one of the few people on Earth who is completely blind to Turner's supposed "undeniable charisma" ... but that rock'n'roll, eh? Invoice me for the microphone.

You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Saturday, 18 July 2015 21:39 (two years ago) Permalink

Correction. Witty lyrics and good drumming alone does make a great album.

Popture, Sunday, 19 July 2015 03:22 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Okay, so after giving Humbug a couple of spins and finding myself really liking it... I'm going to revise my opinion from "dud" to "mostly dud" ...

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 17 July 2017 16:37 (ten months ago) Permalink

A.N.I.M.A.L.!

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 17 July 2017 16:51 (ten months ago) Permalink

i actually don't know that album. i did buy it but resold it before i even opened it, now i can listen on Spotify.

i love AM and think it's the best thing this band has done. songs like "Why'd You Only Call Me When You're High?," "One For the Road," "Arabella," "Fireside," the wonderful "Knee Socks" and of course "Do I Wanna Know?" might be my most played album in 2013.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 00:52 (ten months ago) Permalink

I did try AM at one point, but was put off because I thought the first couple of songs sounded identical.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 01:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

There are a couple where I never quite registered one song had ended and a different one had started.

'One for the road'/'Arabella'

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 06:45 (ten months ago) Permalink

there's a much longer thread about AM somewhere i think?

they peaked at Suck It And See IMO, the Glastonbury show in between Suck It.. and AM was extraordinary.

piscesx, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 11:19 (ten months ago) Permalink

Hmm. I should listen to Suck It and See today - it seems to be the album of theirs that nobody talks about.

Humbug is getting stronger with each spin. I still hate that first LP, though.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 12:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

About time they did a new one.

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:18 (ten months ago) Permalink

and paid some tax!

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

Ah, nobody used to mind when the Stones did that..

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 15:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

Sounds like they've made their Hot Space. I'm here for it!

Anyway some bright spark has made a Spotify playlist of the tunes Alex Turner said he'd been listening to of late(in a MOJO feature) and it's amazing

https://open.spotify.com/user/1155895922/playlist/5juwa93Oj6U2PEl3s8Vt4w?si=Y_4_zAFRT1GwiysCkx1ZwA

piscesx, Saturday, 28 April 2018 12:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Hot Space is a terrible record, so if that's what the Arctic Monkeys have made then that really doesn't sound promising.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 28 April 2018 12:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

(Although Hot Space does have 'Under Pressure' and 'Back Chat' on it, which are about the only two songs I'd keep from it)

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 28 April 2018 12:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Arctic Monkeys - Tranquility Base Hotel & Casino

Bee OK, Saturday, 28 April 2018 18:07 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xp Isn't Cool Cat on Hot Space?

Love that song

groovypanda, Saturday, 28 April 2018 18:10 (three weeks ago) Permalink

So many threads on these guys geez

Haven’t cracked new one. Is it good?

Incline/decline (Ross), Thursday, 17 May 2018 15:32 (six days ago) Permalink

yes

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 May 2018 15:36 (six days ago) Permalink

maybe my aoty at this point

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 May 2018 15:38 (six days ago) Permalink

brad otm

devvvine, Thursday, 17 May 2018 15:55 (six days ago) Permalink

Really good with a few weird play-them-once-skip-them-forever-after tracks. Also an 8.1 on Pitchfork, 0.1 better than the best review they'd had on the site previously (for AM).

piscesx, Thursday, 17 May 2018 21:03 (six days ago) Permalink

Liked the rolling stone article. Got the record but haven’t played it beyond track 1. Haven’t heard any other records by these guys tbh

Incline/decline (Ross), Thursday, 17 May 2018 21:51 (six days ago) Permalink

my fav monkeys song remains "Leave Before The Lights Come On," a non-album single which apparently has a video starring Paddy Considine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEukS2YN9B8

808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Thursday, 17 May 2018 22:01 (six days ago) Permalink


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