Skronky guitar nerds taking sides: Marc Ribot or Nels Cline

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Why the fuck not, y'know?

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 04:30 (seventeen years ago) link

mark ribot's playing on tom waits' "rain dogs" and "real gone" pretty much says it all for me. though admittedly, i'm far more familiar with him than nels cline.

Emily B (Emily B), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 04:39 (seventeen years ago) link

marc ribot is tastier

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 04:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Nels pulled off the scary/brilliant D. Boon tribute/impersonation solo on Mike Watt's "The Boilerman", so he wins.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 06:54 (seventeen years ago) link

While it's hard to top Ribot's licks on "Rain Dogs", the skronk metal of Cline's "Lowered Boom" comes close.

bendy (bendy), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 09:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Thread needs more Arto.

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 09:29 (seventeen years ago) link

For albums as leader, I've only heard "Interstellar Space" and "Rootless Cosmopolitans" which gives Nels the edge.

It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I love Ribot's Cuban band and I also like Nels Cline when he does the abstract noize thing. Tough to compare those two.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd have to go with Nels Cline. In fact, I'd always kind of hoped that someday Nels would fill the Ribot role in one of Tom Waits's newer albums, instead of what's-his-name from Beck's band. When I was writing a review of Nels's new CD (an album of Andrew Hill covers), I was tempted to compare it to Los Cubanos Postizos.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I love Ribot's Cuban band and I also like Nels Cline when he does the abstract noize thing. Tough to compare those two.

what you said

your daughter is one (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Nels due to seeing him live quite a bit, usually with other people. His solo on "Liberty Calls" w/Watt at a Costa Mesa show was indescribable.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I like some of Cline's stuff (the new Hill disc is decent), but I'm gonna go with Ribot. That Spiritual Unity album of Ayler tunes was a killer - plus, his guitar work on Rain Dogs, as mentioned above.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey Phil, while you're here, did you get my last mail? (I can't remember if I sent it out, actually!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:29 (seventeen years ago) link

nels to the muthafuckin' cline

M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned -

Yeah, I did. Sorry, been way too busy to reply.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link

No worries, thanks!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I wanted to like it but I thought the Nels Cline Andrew Hill thing was a nice effort, there's obviously a lot of respect for Hill's compositions coming from Nels, but the whole thing sounded overly slick and stiff to me. I'm a big Andrew Hill fan though and you can't do too badly w/ his tunes.

mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Spiritual Unity vs. Interstellar Space I think I have to go with Spiritual Unity for overall execution of the concept. But I find these two so f'ing amazing that I can't ts.

Cline is outstanding on the new Scott Amendola, too, which, as long as we're talking skronky guitar nerds, includes Jeff Parker, too.

J Arthur Rank (Quin Tillian), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

One of my fave songs: clever white youth. so marc wins by a mile (or kilometer)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Ribot -- those Cubanos records are *it*.

A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

seriously, y los cubanos postizos owns pretty hard, like as hard as nels cline "cause for concern" on the instrumentals album, but harder

del griffith, Sunday, 5 September 2010 00:46 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm kind of a contemporary jazz guitar expert too, not to brag or anything, so my opinion really ought to be held in fairly high esteem, just sayin

del griffith, Sunday, 5 September 2010 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Tell me more about Nels Cline. Assume I know nothing, but that I am quite familiar with Marc Ribot

Hymie in Galveston (admrl), Sunday, 19 September 2010 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Damn- this is a tough one. Both have their moments. I am a devotee of Nels Cline circa Chest -though I rarely play the album.

o. nate, Sunday, 19 September 2010 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link

mike watt's contemplating the engine room is excellent, partly because of nels cline.

Palpatean Mists (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, 19 September 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link

marc ribot's new soundtrack & score compilation silent movies is very nice, you should listen to "the kid" from it ^

del griffith, Thursday, 23 September 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I've still never heard that Mike Watt record!

lol goat on table (admrl), Monday, 26 September 2011 06:29 (twelve years ago) link

I've always been more impressed by Cline but I haven't heard much of Ribot's Cuban material, which seems to be highly rated here. I've seen both live, actually. (Definitely preferred Cline in that context.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

If I'm currently obsessing over Ribot's work with Waits, what's the best entry point into his large discography as a solo (or top-billed collaborative) artist? Intrigued by Ceramic Dogs (lover the personnel but put off by descriptions of it as a 'power trio'). Help?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

Search: about a million John Zorn records

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

Hmmm, see I hate Zorn (Arto too). Can't hang with downtown wank.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 13 October 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

::shrug:: Have fun with your research.

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Thursday, 13 October 2011 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

twelve years pass...

I’m not sure when I last listened to Ribot’s Saints but it’s likely been 20 years and it is great. Solo guitar, from a pawn shop find if I recall. When it came out, the Raindoggy “St James Infirmary” was where it was at for me, but the opening take of Alber Ayler’s “Saints” has the feel of a central Asian lute, both in twang and microtones. Which is where I am now.

Way more skronky but reminds me in spirit of Richard Bishop’s Tangier Sessions. Falling in love and exploring a newly found instrument.

Theracane Gratifaction (bendy), Thursday, 4 July 2024 19:41 (one week ago) link

Is Bill Laswell sort of in this category, too?

beamish13, Thursday, 4 July 2024 22:26 (one week ago) link

I forgot about this thread but I really dug hearing Cline on Elvis Costello's Hey Clockface in part because he's one of the only people besides Ribot to play lead guitar on a Costello album.

some dude, Thursday, 4 July 2024 23:20 (one week ago) link

Bill Frisell, right?

Theracane Gratifaction (bendy), Friday, 5 July 2024 01:23 (one week ago) link

Frisell, right. Damn it

beamish13, Friday, 5 July 2024 05:07 (one week ago) link

Is there a “thread for recent great guitarist session work”?

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 5 July 2024 05:13 (one week ago) link

I don't suppose anyone has Saints album in decent quality? Not streaming and I'm not finding a legit download anywhere.

Also, any other recs for skronky solo electric guitar albums?

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 19:21 (three days ago) link

bill orcutt's recent run (some of which is solo and electric) has been great
i feel like sonny sharrock fits into this group too though i don't know his work at all

na (NA), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 20:06 (three days ago) link

Yeah, Guitar for sure. It's a Conversations With Myself type thing, Sharrock duetting with himself.

Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 20:10 (three days ago) link

And if you want something a little more raw, there are two live albums of Sharrock duetting with saxophonist Peter Brötzmann:



Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 20:30 (three days ago) link

donald miller's "a little treatise on morals" still sounds grand.
any tetuzi akiyama you can find is worth a listen
i think sandy nassan's "just guitar" is electric - sometimes hard to tell with those big bodied jazzers
always surprised how rough / skronky mclaughlin sounds on the tony williams records

massaman gai (front tea for two), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 21:32 (three days ago) link

gotta be a bunch of terrie ex / andy moor reckids outthere too, but i can't keep up with those guys. everything i have of theirs outside the ex is worthwhile but usually some from of duo / trio improv

massaman gai (front tea for two), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 21:39 (three days ago) link

oh fudge,man, how am i forgetting the joe morris solo discs? "singularity" & "no vertigo" absolute must hears!

massaman gai (front tea for two), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 21:46 (three days ago) link

Jordan I've got a good rip of Saints if you are still searching

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 10 July 2024 18:34 (two days ago) link

Terrie's album with Han Bennink from last year was great and Andy Moor's new one with Amsterdam pianist Marta Warelis is great. She does a lot of inside and prepared piano which fits very nicely with Moor's guitar.

Composition 40b (Stew), Thursday, 11 July 2024 10:21 (yesterday) link

the solo arto "bonus" tracks on the "encylopaedia of arto" compendium are kinda fun cos he sings his smooth MPB songs without his smooth MPB band but only with his trusty untuned danelectro.
derek bailey & keiji haino we already know are good for this, right? take your pick
brandon seabrook's "sylphid vitalizers" someone sent me as a freebie, and i initially wrote it off as an octis-u-like, but it is enough of it's own thing & really very good if you're into shredding over drum machines.
the guys from portal should do some solo gtr stuff

massaman gai (front tea for two), Thursday, 11 July 2024 10:59 (yesterday) link

There's a new Seabrook solo coming out on Pyroclastic in October: banjo, 12 & 6 string, cassette stuff apparently. His trio with Cooper Moore on diddly bow and Gerald Cleaver on drums is great and his contributions to Ingrid Laubrock's The Last Quiet Place are superb.

Seconded on solo Portal - that would be wild.

Not sure if Sandy Ewen has been mentioned in this thread, but I'm a big fan of her playing. The album with Roscoe Mitchell, Damon Smith and Weasel Walter is great, but some damn fine solo stuff on Scatter and other labels. Does that post-Keith Rowe lap style, with various preparations and deft use of a stereo pedal, but has a crackly language of her own and great sense of space.

Composition 40b (Stew), Thursday, 11 July 2024 11:13 (yesterday) link

One Eye, I would take it! I'll ILX email you if that works.

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 11 July 2024 14:31 (yesterday) link

xxxp sandy nassan 'just guitar' is utterly fantastic. one of the few 'lost classics' i knew nothing of, bought cheap out of used bin at secondhand shop, and was blown away by. really felt like i discovered him on my own and i hadn't ever experienced that before (or since?) having missed out on crate-digging before vinyl 'came back' and largely formed my music taste online. and compared to other weirdos of his era there isn't much further info online about him

dude feels like he's exorcising something deep. you can hear the vocabulary of 70s folk rock throughout his playing but it's like he's trying to escape it. in my headcanon he took a stab at a career in more conventional music before saying fuck it and doing whatever

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 11 July 2024 16:06 (yesterday) link

not a solo guitar recording, but both lps by robert johnson & the browns (robert johnson not being "that" robert johnson, the browns being todd rittman of us maple & dead rider etc) are interesting documents of post-rock dudes incorporating morton feldman moves etc, kinda like "crookt, crackt or fly" but with less tunes and the twang tuned up to 11, or link wray doing glenn branca numbers. of the two LPs "company no company" would be my pick

massaman gai (front tea for two), Thursday, 11 July 2024 16:18 (yesterday) link

Another underrated guitar skronkist is Leonid Soybelman of Kletka Red and Ne Zhdali.

o. nate, Friday, 12 July 2024 01:42 (eight hours ago) link

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