I can't imagine that ILM would be very alienating to a friendly newcomer (the discussion here is usually pretty good)... but I also can't imagine joining a Zoom chat full of strangers to discuss a Kenny Rogers album, so whatever floats one's boat.
― one of the only artist who is genuine (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 18:59 (three years ago) link
I read the link and it doesn’t link the terms at all, it’s a generalised and imo true comment about online music discussion
I was going to disagree, then started questioning whether I could do so without arguing or mansplaining, then flew into a mental vortex.
― Inside there's a box and that box has another box within (Sund4r), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 19:16 (three years ago) link
^^typical
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 19:21 (three years ago) link
The thing about a Zoom chat is, you gotta know when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 19:50 (three years ago) link
...know when to wave a dick,know when to run
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 19:58 (three years ago) link
I want to go on and talk about whether Kenny was a New Jersey
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 20:05 (three years ago) link
Huh, their Twitter feed is crazy active (multiple tweets per hour); but they’re tweeting out a mix of recent and older—from 2019, in some cases—articles & reviews.
I just clicked a link to an article about Joni Mitchell rarities assuming it was something to do with the collection released in the last few months but instead it was a link to an article from 2017 with a majority of dead YouTube links.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 21 January 2021 09:28 (three years ago) link
the palberta review today is dumb. they don't really sound much of anything like sleater-kinney aside from being an all-women guitar trio. it feels like an early pitchfork review where they didn't have many writers so sometimes they'd have a writer trying to write about something that was outside their frame of reference. but in this case the frame of reference is something that should be in the wheelhouse of any indie music critic. you could compare them to the raincoats and the slits and it would still be lazy and sexist but it would be more accurate than sleater-kinney. oh and the repetition absolutely works.
― na (NA), Tuesday, 26 January 2021 13:49 (three years ago) link
a week late but that listening club piece was co-written by (iiuc) a fairly long-term former ilxor
― rob, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 16:00 (three years ago) link
Nice of them to finally get around to reviewing that Trees box set now that it's already out of print.
I mean, it's a nice, thoughtful review, but about two months too late.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 January 2021 16:23 (three years ago) link
it's being re-pressed: https://treesearth.bandcamp.com/album/trees-50th-anniversary-edition
― tylerw, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 16:48 (three years ago) link
Not the CD version though.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 January 2021 16:52 (three years ago) link
rough! does seem like labels really are underestimating the demand for these sets — that Neil Archives box, the Richard & Linda Thompson thing, this ...
― tylerw, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 20:45 (three years ago) link
Yeah, seems to be a theme. Which I get, it's a weird time for physical media. I just get frustrated by the labels that won't press more after realizing their projections fell short.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 January 2021 21:23 (three years ago) link
why are we "now-fabled"? ILM still exists
― treeship., Tuesday, 26 January 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link
ha, jokes on you, board was locked years ago and you've just been talking to yourself
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 January 2021 21:27 (three years ago) link
jon I feel you, some of my very favorite albums of the last few years I don’t even own because they’re OOP and expensive as heck. it just feels weird.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 21:34 (three years ago) link
otoh CDs esp from indie labels seems to be pretty cheap these days?
― brimstead, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 21:35 (three years ago) link
while they’re out there
― brimstead, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 21:36 (three years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ILRYP5iV7ME/UWnVv54aYsI/AAAAAAAACIE/vW6m3DXJzH8/s1600/st-elsewhere_tommy-westphall-snow-globe.jpg
rare photo of treeship "posting" to "ILM"
― rob, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 21:38 (three years ago) link
it feels like that sometimes tbh.
― treeship., Tuesday, 26 January 2021 21:44 (three years ago) link
true, not sure what it says about me that I imagined all these people with awful taste
― rob, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link
i think you'd have to be a real weirdo to sign up for a zoom listening club with strangers.
― treeship., Tuesday, 26 January 2021 21:49 (three years ago) link
no disrespect to the people discussed in that article. but message board posting feels more, um, like something regular to do.
i mean, if it helps people feel less alone it's ok. i feel bad about those posts now.
― treeship., Tuesday, 26 January 2021 21:50 (three years ago) link
Yeah, it definitely feels weird. Things seem super limited these days and if you don't order the instant they go on pre-sale, that's it, you've missed it already. Which seems... short-sighted, to say the least.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 January 2021 21:51 (three years ago) link
i think you'd have to be a real weirdo to sign up for a zoom listening club with strangers.― treeship., Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:49 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― treeship., Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:49 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I actually like the idea a lot, but would probably be too anxious/self-conscious to actually do it.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 21:53 (three years ago) link
I'm listening to the Palberta album now, and I agree it sounds nothing like any Sleater-Kinney I've ever heard (though perhaps I've never heard "early, self-titled Sleater-Kinney").
― You have treated my messenger with contempt. (morrisp), Tuesday, 26 January 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link
lol wasn’t Chatroulette exactly that?
― brimstead, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 22:47 (three years ago) link
xp
tbf there will likely be equal amounts of jerking it
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 01:06 (three years ago) link
I’m frustrated by artists and labels who won’t do a CD issue but will do an LP run, but I know no one else cares.
― Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 01:34 (three years ago) link
Now you might be wrong about that
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 02:44 (three years ago) link
(That said, vast majority of my music purchases are strictly digital via Bandcamp these days.)
OK - you and me against the world.
― Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 10:24 (three years ago) link
― Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, January 26, 2021 8:34 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
I care, too! I was actually contemplating buying that Trees box and, in an unlikely turn of events, the very good Pitchfork review is what convinced me I needed to buy it, only to find that it's already sold out. Oh well
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 10:32 (three years ago) link
I would like to see more CD runs too. AIUI the profit margin on LPs is so much better that lots of labels see a CD run as a load of extra work for a reduced return, but the (apparently) artificially short print runs on CD issues is bewildering.
― Tim, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 10:35 (three years ago) link
friend of mine who owned a small label once told me
if you press 1,000 you'll sell 400
if you press a 500 "limited edition" you'll sell out
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 14:17 (three years ago) link
also they end up with houses or apartments just filled with boxes and boxes and boxes of used CDs
i probably took like 600 cds to the dump of my old band
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 14:19 (three years ago) link
pitchfork loves to give "underrated workhorses" a 6.9
― stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 14:31 (three years ago) link
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 27 January 2021 14:32 (three years ago) link
I'll find out for myself next month...hope your friend is right! (My break-even point is somewhere in the 225-250 copy range, but obviously if I only sell that many I'll have a roomful left over, which will suck from a living-space standpoint.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 14:41 (three years ago) link
I mean, of course printing any run of physical media in 2021 is a gamble. I get it. And I totally can understand why a small label wouldn't want to take on the risk. It's fair. But in my experience, it's even mid-size labels that presumably have warehouses and distribution channels that are printing tiny runs.
My annoyance kicks in when I read or hear about an album that came out two months ago, only find out it's already out-of-print and going for ridiculous money on discogs on both LP and CD format. I just don't see how that serves any artist to have something go out of print that quickly. I'm not talking about some obscure record from 17 years ago that I can't track down, I'm talking albums that are still currently in their promotion period, getting published reviews, that are already completely out-of-print. I don't see how that works well for anyone.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 14:41 (three years ago) link
it’s another case where the review is better than the score but peewee deserves better
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 14:41 (three years ago) link
xps
My annoyance kicks in when I read or hear about an album that came out two months ago, only find out it's already out-of-print and going for ridiculous money on discogs on both LP and CD format. I just don't see how that serves any artist to have something go out of print that quickly.
the cynic in me sometimes wonders if there are labels that do this on purpose to flip their own stuff at an OOP markup out the back door. the temptation has got to be there.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 15:29 (three years ago) link
xpost - don't quote me on those numbers haha
think the secret here the artist/label might keep a few back and discog/ebay the records themselves wink wink
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 15:30 (three years ago) link
xpost w one eye open but yeah
anyway god bless all those putting out obscure stuff in physical form in 2021!
I'm not talking about some obscure record from 17 years ago that I can't track down, I'm talking albums that are still currently in their promotion period, getting published reviews, that are already completely out-of-print. I don't see how that works well for anyone.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, January 27, 2021 8:41 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
was really hard recently to track down a new copy of Magik Marker's "2020" - a very well reviewed album that just came out, finally found one
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 January 2021 15:31 (three years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, January 27, 2021 9:17 AM (one hour ago)
creating artificial scarcity is basically business 101
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 27 January 2021 15:44 (three years ago) link