Swearing is funny.
Falkous seems like the type who would write a screed in response to a positive review.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
xpost: in fairness, that's not the smartest sentence
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
wtf you guys
responding to a record review makes you a fucking amateur, nobody should do it. the authors of books maybe because they will sometimes get off a nice witty one-liner but rock musicians? don't read the reviews if they're going to cheese you off that hard, but if you must, at least don't publish a response AND LEAVE COMMENTS OPEN SO YOUR FANS CAN KISS YOUR ASS FOR YOU
retain 1 modicum of class for fuck's sake dudes imo
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
fuckin a
― some dude, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
even though I think aero is OTM I am still enjoying I can honestly say that, whatever you think of the music, that the lyrics on 'the plot against common sense' are the best I've written (and yes - in either band) by a factor of FUCK LOADS(*4).
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
xp "Ombudsman" is pretty funny. In a perfect world Pitchfork would provide an ombudsman-cum-therapist for the musicians they scorn
― poxen, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
wtf aero
read the first sentence, he acknowledged responding is stupid
it is stupid
it's still funny!
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
i wouldn't exactly ever accuse the Mclusky/FOTL dude of "class" though. and, as far as witty one-liners go, I again point to:
As for the cover, well, there’s a penguin on it you stupid cunt.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
@ aero:
responding to a record review makes you a fucking amateur, nobody should do it
That is what I said (except I didn't call anyone an amateur). The issue I take is when people get all "lol that dude read that review and was butthurt" etc., as if every musician and their mother doesn't read every review and cry, punch walls.
― poxen, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sure your opinion would be very valuable to him!
― frogbs, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
aero otm
you mean the "syncopation" one? for sure, but i still get what he's trying to say. dude was being childish pedant about it.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
oh yeah, no disagreement there
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
see i think that fleet foxes twitter is hilarious, too
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
maybe there's something wrong with me
the Fleet Foxes Twitter IS hilarious because it is ridiculously funny that dude is getting that worked up and angry about a positive review
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
So, basically, any response at all means "angry"? Fwiw, neither of these scan as "angry" to me. Butthurt, but reasonable.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
you know i used to agree with this but i'm getting pretty tired of it as received wisdom. i think it's a risky move but one i'd like to see more musicians take on.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
it's possible to do it without the result being embarrassing and terrible, it's just really rare. especially with that kind of wordcount.
― some dude, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
brad laner was just here on ilm responding to ned's p-fork medicine review. i think it's fine to respond if you feel so inclined, but i do think it's kinda lame that p-fork holds such weight these days that it feels like a make-or-break review for artists.
― tylerw, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like it's just something people say without examining why they're saying it. again, i realize there's a huge capacity for self-embarrassment there, but a musician is already writing recording and publicizing songs about their personal feelings and lives so what else have they got to lose.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I actually fully disagree with you, aero. It's so obviously nagl but I think it's forgiveable, pardonable. And calling somebody an amateur? Dude states in his blog post that he and his band hold down temp work to make music, i.e. amateurs
― poxen, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
it kinda IS a make-or-break thing for bands like the Fleet Foxes dude though.
(xpost)
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
that's not actually what "amateur" means
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, and fleet foxes "made it" already. with lots of help from pitchfork.
― some dude, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
p-fork holds such weight these days that it feels like a make-or-break review for artists
Maybe not with listeners, but certainly with promoters and publicists
― poxen, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
@ DJP. I think you're a member of AFM? If you are, you have to answer the question "Do you rely upon music for the majority of your income Y/N" and if it's Y, you are considered professional and are eligible, and if it's N, you are considered amateur and are not.
Lol at self for citing AFM as being anything other than "a source of terrible evil" but I'm 'splaining myself
― poxen, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
the fleet foxes dude thing was remarkable in its butthurtedness
link pls?
― diamonddave85, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
xxp yeah i mean if ned had been like "10.0 medicine was the greatest shoegaze band ever better than mbv," that'd be a huge thing for them probably. just weird to have one publication carry that responsibility.
― tylerw, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
I am not a member of AFM, no
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
you lucky bastard
― poxen, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
to be fair to the FF dude, this sentence from the pitchfork review is fucking horrific
The arrangements entertain a rhythmic stiffness that sticks strictly to the beat, without any syncopation to suggest the messy experiences Tillman’s lyrics evoke.”
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
plus it's not like most of the bands that Pitchfork reviews make any real money, so I doubt they really care much about their image or whatever; if you feel like it, do it
― frogbs, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
i think it's a risky move but one i'd like to see more musicians take on.
lol how is it risky? everybody does it now because via twitter & facebook & then they get immediate tonguebaths from the fanbase on their walls. then they RT the backscratching. it is pathetic.
it's true that one could, conceivably, reply briefly and wittily to criticism, but it's really just sad to rush to the public with your outraged!! response to a review. if you can't bear for people to "misunderstand" your art (i.e., to not agree with you about it), then you are probably better off keeping it to yourself.
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
because above
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
Tillman / FJM (ex-Fleet Foxes dude) was railing against P-Fork and their fest even before they reviewed his album. He just enjoys taking the piss.
― Simon H., Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
I mean idk maybe I just don't get it. aerosmith for example is kinda polarizing, people who hate us hate us & it always feels horrible to read somebody saying that the hard work we put in isn't good, that they didn't enjoy it, that we've failed in our efforts - everybody wants approval, artists more than other people I think. but I can't imagine having such a low opinion of myself that I'd say "well! I suppose everyone wants to hear what I thought about this review that ran this morning, well here is my REBUTTAL!" the fuck. I like music criticism! the critic's job is not to understand you on your own terms, it's to report on how your attempt to communicate your vision came across
I guess there's The Axl Exception if you wanna write "Get In the Ring" and go big with your infantile need for absolutely everybody to kiss your ass but better yet, don't
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link
c'mon, nobody hates aerosmith.
― tylerw, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
aerosmith haters -- About 7,930,000 results (0.32 seconds)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link
it's a risky move because people will probably post in internet threads about how whiny you are
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
it is practically impossible to find a GIF of Steven Tyler with the words "STEP OFF HATER" on it
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
but I can't imagine having such a low opinion of myself that I'd say "well! I suppose everyone wants to hear what I thought about this review that ran this morning, well here is my REBUTTAL!" the fuck. I like music criticism! the critic's job is not to understand you on your own terms, it's to report on how your attempt to communicate your vision came across
that's the way *you* would respond to criticism, sure--but that may or may not be the same angle that Fleet Foxes dude or Andy Falkous is coming from. FF could just be talkin shit on twitter for fun you know? And as others have said, this is the way Falkous comes across live, as a caustic bastard so why wouldn't he respond this way? totally agree that it's not the critics job to understand you on your own terms. . . but, i dunno, i've said this a bunch already but i think the FOTL post is hilarious.
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
wait, if FF dude is so caustic why does FF music sound like a wet lavender fart
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
FF could just be talkin shit on twitter for fun you know?
He's not actually in Fleet Foxes anymore, but yes, he's not doing it seriously at all. All of his interviews and public appearances have been affected/ridiculous.
― Simon H., Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
Falkous is the caustic one, he's not in FF
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
he's in FOTL
*farts with lavender*
I'm talking about Tillman. Whose record is pretty damn good, and not very Fleet Foxes-y at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-JbfKF_x90
― Simon H., Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
I'm not going to indict anybody but myself on this count but my "Saved to drafts" folder contains years of unsent 'responses to criticism', maybe ten total. I don't think it's pathetic or amateur or indicative of any failing on anybody's part to get butthurt about a shit review. xp
― poxen, Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
haha reading comprehension is not my friend today, apparently
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aGTEHc0v24
― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 31 May 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link