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The clips on youtube (here and here) are so awesome. Just starting to get into their records - seems like they had quite a few good ones, yeah? These guys were dynamite.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 21 September 2006 02:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Yep. Wounded Bird just reissued their last one, Air Special. Cub Koda singing "Who Do You Love" in his Howlin' Wolf voice is great. The only one WB hasn't reissued is the next to last,
which featured "Martian Boogie." You can get that on the Rhino anthology, but BS's albums -- the good and the mediocre -- are better to listen to on their own, rather than sliced up and cherry-picked.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Thursday, 21 September 2006 03:18 (fourteen years ago) link

air special is definitely the weakest album. it has moments though. the only album i don't have is - no bs - the first one. i've never even seen it in a record store! which is weird cuz i like record stores. eventually i'll get it on ebay or something. i like everything else though. air special is the only one i'm not that fond of.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 21 September 2006 03:56 (fourteen years ago) link

I've been jonesing to hear that first one too yeah. It never does seem to pop-up. I have Yeah! and School Punks. Long live Cub.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 21 September 2006 04:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I just got a copy of that first one - definitely been some copies on eBay recently.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 21 September 2006 04:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Michael Lutz is a great singer. I guess the story is that Cub (great too, obviously) did more of the vocals after their hit.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 21 September 2006 04:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Whoa

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 21 September 2006 04:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Not only were their own songs not bad, they had great taste in covers (they had singles of Gary Glitter's "I'm the Leader of the Gang" and Jimmy Cliff's "Let Your Yeah Be Yeah," both gems).

Also, Koda was a rock'n'roll raconteur of the highest order. Too bad he didn't live long enough to write his memoirs.

Dan Heilman (The Deacon), Thursday, 21 September 2006 12:45 (fourteen years ago) link

full disclosure: the very first record I ever bought was the 45 of "Smokin' In The Boys Room", which had a cover of "Barefootin'" on the flip side...(yeah, I know...I'm old...more so than usual, 'cos my birthday was two days ago!)...Brownsville Station were just the epitome of 4th grade cool in those days...wish I still had that record...

hank (hank s), Thursday, 21 September 2006 12:53 (fourteen years ago) link

i liked cub's writing in goldmine. very informative and conversational. my fave cover is probably a question of temperature, but maybe just cuz it was the first time i had ever heard the song and i love it so. their version is really good (mostly cuz it ups the volume levels and is bigger than the original).

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 21 September 2006 12:59 (fourteen years ago) link

the self-titled album from 1977 on private stock is really really good.(the one with the cool psychedelic shot of the weird castle tower studio that they recorded in on the cover) it's also not an album that you see that much compared to the big tree albums. the other weird thing that i still don't get is how the last album was credited to just *Brownsville* and why they dropped the Station. i'm guessing it was some sort of attempt at reinvention after the later albums didn't sell as well. but i could be wrong.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 21 September 2006 13:10 (fourteen years ago) link

air special is definitely the weakest album

It's back to Brownsville Station on the reissue. Tom Werman produced and it has the high gloss mid-70's arena rock tone he was famous for. I've been playing it a lot. It's a step back from the previous which was the Private Stock issue. The last three album, these are two of 'em, sound different from NO BS, A Night On the Town, Yeah! and School Punks. The first four have a bit more old-timey 50's rock and roll feel, some Sha-Na-Na-ness to 'em. The last three progressively get more turned up and set to compete with the Nuges of the circuit.

The Highway Kings covered their version of "Rumble" from No BS, which has a humorous and very cool arrangement.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link

cf. Black Oak, Grand Funk

Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 21 September 2006 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm gonna call my new band *Arkansas Railroad Station*.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

that is absolutely perfect...

hank (hank s), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Grand Funk have any stuff as badical as "Kings of the Party" and such?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 22 September 2006 00:51 (fourteen years ago) link

hell yeah! er, i don't know, yer kinda weird. hmmm, you might want to try the first GFR album. It's actually kinda psych-ish. before they were full-on boogie jammers or radioready hardrock. again, i'm not picky. i was just listening to the live album the other day. no overdubs! they were proud that it sounded like a boot. that album kicks pretty hard. i like most of their albums.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 22 September 2006 00:58 (fourteen years ago) link

er, i don't know, yer kinda weird

Thanks, I know it's totally inexplicable that someone would think "Kings of the Party" is way more dynamite than "We're an American Band."

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 22 September 2006 01:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Or would care that it was.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 22 September 2006 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link

i wuv ooh, tim, yoo just have different earz than i do, so i try to tailor my responses accordingly. i am nothing if not user-friendly. and i love we're an american band! with stormy or george or whoever all i have to do is blurt the code words *early70'shardrockboogiejamz* and they will be all over it like a bear on the pope. cuz they are shameless reprobates with very very low standards.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 22 September 2006 02:17 (fourteen years ago) link

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that first GFR album, ON TIME, sounds might boogie-jammy to me.

as far as brownsville station...i have all seven of their albums and all are great except for MOTOR CITY CONNECTION and AIR SPECIAL. ya see, the "old-timey rock & roll" feel of the other elpees (that urnst kouch referred to up above) is what attracted me to them in the first place. what's more, when they broke up, punk was just starting to heat up, and the roots/punk sound of NO B.S. or YEAH! would have fit right in. and that's why I never got it with M.C. CONNECTION or AIR SPECIAL. the punkish detroit thing just went out the window, and they basically became just another undistinguished speedway metal band on those albums. and i like Grand Funk and Black Oak Arkansas, but i expect different from Brownsville.

now as far as the self-titled album from 1977 with the red cover...that came in between CONNECTION and SPECIAL and they seemed to get the old boppin' fever back for a MINUTE. but when SPECIAL came out, they were going all Nugent on us, and that wasnt working for me.

ever hear CUB KODA & THE POINTS, which was a 1980 album (on the Baron label) by Cub's next band after Brownsville broke up? now THAT is what Brownsville's last album shoulda sounded like! basically it was back to the roots-rocking fervor of early Brownsville Station albums before they started trying to be a Detroit Molly Hatchet. even Cub himself once said that the band kinda lost direction towards the end there.

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Friday, 22 September 2006 02:49 (fourteen years ago) link

>>punk was just starting to heat up, and the roots/punk sound of NO >>B.S. or YEAH! would have fit right in.

You have no idea what you're talking about. I had a radio show that played their albums and my band, the Highway Kings, copied Brownsville from this period. And it was not what any punk rockers wanted. It was what biker rockers and roadhouse power drinkers liked. You'd be closer if you said old timey rock 'n' roll and country flavors.

>>and they basically became just another undistinguished speedway >>metal band on those albums. and i like Grand Funk and Black Oak >>Arkansas, but i expect different from Brownsville.

They were never big enough to compete with Ted or Aerosmith, those undistinguished speedway metal bands. There was little sin in being a speedway metal band, undistinguished or otherwise. Nugent was a speedway metal act, so was Foghat, so was GF. So was Kiss.

>>SPECIAL came out, they were going all Nugent on us, and that wasnt >>working for me.

One album produced by Tom Werman. Not much difference between it and the last except no "Martian Boogie" and "Lady" (and you not liking it.)

>>ever hear CUB KODA & THE POINTS, which was a 1980 album (on the >>Baron label) by Cub's next band after Brownsville broke up? now >>THAT is what Brownsville's last album shoulda sounded like! >>basically it was back to the roots-rocking fervor of early

They were never a Detroit Molly Hatchet. And I had the Points album.

It's a less produced iteration of "Air Special" without any vocals by Mike Lutz.

And it's about the same as Noise Monkeys, which was the last album by Cub and Points about two months before he died. There's a lot of metallic work on it, some Link Wray, tunes that bridge "speedway metal" and roadhouse rock.

>>himself once said that the band kinda lost direction towards the >>end there.

Yes he did.

>>were going all Nugent on us,

And the Nuge was making good albums during the same period. I doubt BS would have begrudged him the rating, considering Lutz played on one of the Nuge's records.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:16 (fourteen years ago) link

>>they are shameless reprobates with very very low standards.

I'll cop to the former but link you to the latter, Scott. So I have bad taste? Tell me something I haven't been told countless times in the last twenty-thirty years. But so do you. Black, white/red, green. Paraphrasing Tip O'Neill and such: Your view depends upon where ya stand.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Friday, 22 September 2006 08:26 (fourteen years ago) link

CUB KODA & THE POINTS

saw these guys play around ann arbor 1979-80, more "roots" oriented than BS I guess. the Points were 3 guys from the popular cover band Mugsy, good musicians stuck in the Top 40 4-sets-a-nite rut.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Friday, 22 September 2006 09:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Made an indie record under the name "The Weapons." I had a copy. First couple songs were OK, then the writing went south. Sounded like a Top 40 band in need of a writer. I bought it because it was the Points minus Cub.

Here tis.. Cool Fred Schmidt, Quick Joey Gaydos, and Pete Bankert. Et al.

And don't fear random browsers, I would never recommend Air Special to the ILM standard. Shun it. It's too hammerheaded. Heh. Start with Yeah!. Or more succinctly, "Smokin' In the Boys Room," which is of the three most hard rock songs which align with the electricity of the period on the LP, then go to "Martian Boogie." And if you like all that, get the Wounded Bird reissue of No BS, too.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Friday, 22 September 2006 10:03 (fourteen years ago) link

"So I have bad taste?"

i was kidding! and drunk! i like your tastes. probably cuz they correspond with my own quite often.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:12 (fourteen years ago) link

all i really meant was that you and some others have a very high tolerance for all manner of 70's thud. if i tell most people that Hellfield had one or two good songs on their debut most people wouldn't even buy it if they saw it for a dollar. you might.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:18 (fourteen years ago) link

cf. Black Oak, Grand Funk
-- Stormy Davis

And, uh, MX-80!

M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:59 (fourteen years ago) link

DIALOGUE WITH URNST KOUCH (a/k/a JIM ANCHOWER)

">>punk was just starting to heat up, and the roots/punk sound of NO >>B.S. or YEAH! would have fit right in.
You have no idea what you're talking about. I had a radio show that played their albums and my band, the Highway Kings, copied Brownsville from this period. And it was not what any punk rockers wanted. It was what biker rockers and roadhouse power drinkers liked. You'd be closer if you said old timey rock 'n' roll and country flavors."

Man, early punk was nothing BUT old timey rock & roll. ("Old timey"...you make the shit sound like it's DIXIELAND or something.) When the Ramones first album came out, it wasn't about Anarchy In The U.S. so much as it was restoring rock & roll to its' pre-psych roots. It is NO accident that the first neo-garage, surf and rockabilly bands went over so well in punk clubs in the late seventies and early eighties. And when the Flamin' Groovies made their mid-70's comeback on Sire, it was mainly the nascent punk scenes that were getting into them. And I'd put NO B.S.-era Brownsville in there.

">>and they basically became just another undistinguished speedway >>metal band on those albums. and i like Grand Funk and Black Oak >>Arkansas, but i expect different from Brownsville.

They were never big enough to compete with Ted or Aerosmith"

But they probably played on the same bill with them, so close enough. (Aerosmith were still only a regional attraction with their first LP when Brownsville had "Smokin'", so I wouldn't be surprised if Aerosmith opened for THEM early on.)

"There was little sin in being a speedway metal band, undistinguished or otherwise. Nugent was a speedway metal act"

I have no use for Nugent outside of early Amboy Dukes (on the Mainstream label). Why the fuck should I be impressed?

"so was Foghat"

I haven't listened to them in a good 20 years. Not a fan antymore. Why should I be impressed?

"so was GF. So was Kiss."

I have no retort, here. These bands are cool with me!

">>SPECIAL came out, they were going all Nugent on us, and that wasnt >>working for me.

One album produced by Tom Werman. Not much difference between it and the last except no "Martian Boogie" and "Lady" (and you not liking it.)"

You got that right. Cain't help it that the "Martian Boogie" LP had the better songs. All AIR SPECIAL had was "Cooda Crawlin'", which woulda been a real good Ram Jam song.

"They were never a Detroit Molly Hatchet."

That's what I said! Before I found AIR SPECIAL and M.C. CONNECTION. No thanks, I'm stickin' with SCHOOL PUNKS.

"And I had the Points album."

HAD? Shit, I still got mine. (I BETTER hold on to that fucker, since it doesn't show up everyday! Pink vinyl, hey!)

">>himself once said that the band kinda lost direction towards the >>end there.

Yes he did."

And he didn't lie.

">>were going all Nugent on us,

And the Nuge was making good albums during the same period."

You're preaching to the wrong choir. Didn't I just say that the Nuge didn't impress me?

I'm not as big on mullethead music as you are. Nah, I take it back, seeing as how I own 86 of the 500 albums in that STAIRWAY TO HELL heavy metal guide. But, I'm probably a bigger rockabilly/garage/punk fan, and since CONNECTION and SPECIAL have NONE of those elements, those two rekkids have been gathering dust since I got 'em. However, if some Mahogany Rush fan like yourself wants to defend them LP's, have at it, bro...

And I prefer the Allman Joys to the Allman Brothers Band, too.

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Saturday, 23 September 2006 01:08 (fourteen years ago) link

f i tell most people that Hellfield had one or two good songs on their debut most people wouldn't even buy it if they saw it for a dollar. you might

I might even spend five.

Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Saturday, 23 September 2006 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

Been listening to School Punks, really terrible pressing that has surface noise but just seems like that's how it's supposed to be heard

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 17:05 (one week ago) link


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