classic.
despite what anybody said, "Facelift" was classic and fun as hell....Dirt was amazing. Jar of Flies was great...
Sap was ok. Self-titled album was pretty good, not great. Music Bank had some really nice b-side material.
I'm really iffy on them writing new material with Mr. Duvall though (as has been reported).
Certainly I mean it isn't taboo or anything but even though Layne didn't write the majority of the songs, when I think of AiC, I think of his voice. They're synonymous. Just wish they'd use another moniker.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 7 December 2007 01:58 (sixteen years ago) link
huge fucking dud.
― stephen, Friday, 7 December 2007 03:10 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^^rong
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 7 December 2007 03:18 (sixteen years ago) link
huge classic
― winston, Friday, 7 December 2007 03:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Dirt was amazing. Jar of Flies was great...
OTFM
― winston, Friday, 7 December 2007 03:37 (sixteen years ago) link
that tripod record still fascinates me. from the ugly cover art and revised logo to the bizarre songs and grimy mix, there is a serious what-the-fuck vibe going on.
strangely, i really like it. you've got to ask what 'so close' and 'nothing song' are doing on the record though. worthless, half ideas smothered in blandness. i'll defend the record on most other counts though and suggest that it might just be worthy of classic status.
― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 8 December 2007 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Huge classic but please don't write anymore material under the name. don't tarnish it.
― Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 8 December 2007 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Herman otm
Charlie, you're right about strange songs on the self-titled album. A lot of them work too ("God Am", "Brush Away", "Frogs"). "Nothing Song" is indeed a dud.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 8 December 2007 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link
love 'brush away', yeah. and the spoken part on 'frogs' is very cool. don't quite know what layne was on about there, but that's pretty much the point.
― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 8 December 2007 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link
yea that part always creeped me out a bit
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 8 December 2007 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
uh huh and you know, i'm gonna chime in as well and say please no more recordings under the alice name. i know what new cantrell-penned songs stand for - 6-minute guitar based plodders all over the place.
― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 8 December 2007 15:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Yea, Guitar Magazine used to fellate the guy and no doubt he's talented but when they said he "held the cards" in AIC it really angered me, sure he wrote most of the material but what about Layne's vocals?
Not to mention Jerry's solo material (at least his first album, never heard the second) was BORING. Dude is a good backup singer but shouldn't sing lead on ANYTHING.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 8 December 2007 16:11 (sixteen years ago) link
http://kn0x0rz.proboards102.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1206&page=1
― roxymuzak, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/littledudeslayne.jpg
― roxymuzak, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link
+9
― gff, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link
It's interesting to hear how much they remind me of the Byrds on their early releases.
― the next grozart, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link
i love "sap" and "jar of flies", i still listen to them pretty often. i like some songs off of "dirt" and "facelift" and the self titled, "dirt" being by far the most consistent. i was disappointed by the unplugged though. i saw them live in 93 at lollapalooza, they killed it.
― pipecock, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 21:35 (sixteen years ago) link
well the new aic record seems to be going ahead. i'll be pretty curious about it if i'm at all able to disassociate it from the true alice name
― Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 13:20 (sixteen years ago) link
No no no no no, AIC without Staley is a terrible idea.
― chap, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:06 (sixteen years ago) link
I expect someone will do a really obvious 'fixed' on that post.
― chap, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link
It worked for INXS. Uh.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Bad idea.
― roxymuzak, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Awful idea.
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:20 (sixteen years ago) link
And the press release!
Los Angeles, CA- Legendary rock band ALICE IN CHAINS has signed an exclusive worldwide deal with EMI's Virgin Records and are gearing up for the release of their first new studio album in more than 10 years. The band and producer Nick Raskulinecz (Rush, Foo Fighters) began recording last October at Studio 606 in Northridge, CA and recently finished mixing at Henson Studios in Hollywood. The highly anticipated album is scheduled for release this September.Guitarist/vocalist Jerry Cantrell, drummer Sean Kinney and bassist Mike Inez reunited in 2005 at a benefit for victims of the tsunami in Indonesia. They began touring with new guitarist/vocalist William DuVall the following year."It's been a meaningful journey and a hell of a story," says Cantrell. "We're very excited to have a home at Virgin/EMI and are looking forward to writing new chapters in the book of Alice.""We're in a good place," adds Kinney. "We've made a record that we're really proud of, we've got a team in place that's passionate about the music and we're excited for the fans to hear the new songs.""Alice In Chains has had a big hand in the evolution of music and I still can't believe we get to work with them," says Rob Stevenson, President of Virgin Records. "This music is going to remind people what we've all been missing.""There is a tremendous sense of excitement and dedication within EMI around the world as we head into this album release," Added Jeff Kempler, EMI's COO of New Music for North America and the UK,"Alice In Chains' place in rock history is undeniable and when people hear this remarkable new work it will be clear how timeless, potent and visionary this band is."Alice In Chains were among the headliners at the recent Rock on the Range festival in Columbus, OH. Next up is a July 18 show with Kid Rock at Comerica Park in Detroit, to be followed by festival shows with Metallica overseas, including an August 1 date at Marlay Park in Dublin and an August 2 show at the Sonisphere Festival at Knebworth. Earlier this year, the quartet took a break from recording to perform a string of shows in Australia with Nine Inch Nails.Over the course of their remarkable career, Alice In Chains has garnered multiple Grammy nominations, sold more than 17 million albums worldwide and achieved 11 top 10 hit singles.
Guitarist/vocalist Jerry Cantrell, drummer Sean Kinney and bassist Mike Inez reunited in 2005 at a benefit for victims of the tsunami in Indonesia. They began touring with new guitarist/vocalist William DuVall the following year.
"It's been a meaningful journey and a hell of a story," says Cantrell. "We're very excited to have a home at Virgin/EMI and are looking forward to writing new chapters in the book of Alice."
"We're in a good place," adds Kinney. "We've made a record that we're really proud of, we've got a team in place that's passionate about the music and we're excited for the fans to hear the new songs.""Alice In Chains has had a big hand in the evolution of music and I still can't believe we get to work with them," says Rob Stevenson, President of Virgin Records. "This music is going to remind people what we've all been missing.""There is a tremendous sense of excitement and dedication within EMI around the world as we head into this album release," Added Jeff Kempler, EMI's COO of New Music for North America and the UK,"Alice In Chains' place in rock history is undeniable and when people hear this remarkable new work it will be clear how timeless, potent and visionary this band is."Alice In Chains were among the headliners at the recent Rock on the Range festival in Columbus, OH. Next up is a July 18 show with Kid Rock at Comerica Park in Detroit, to be followed by festival shows with Metallica overseas, including an August 1 date at Marlay Park in Dublin and an August 2 show at the Sonisphere Festival at Knebworth. Earlier this year, the quartet took a break from recording to perform a string of shows in Australia with Nine Inch Nails.
Over the course of their remarkable career, Alice In Chains has garnered multiple Grammy nominations, sold more than 17 million albums worldwide and achieved 11 top 10 hit singles.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 June 2009 14:12 (fourteen years ago) link
I idly note that Staley isn't mentioned once.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 June 2009 14:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Also, Layne Staley is still dead.
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 8 June 2009 14:14 (fourteen years ago) link
disgusting using the name Alice In Chains
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 8 June 2009 14:15 (fourteen years ago) link
new single, "a looking in view."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnU19MHwt7w
whole lotta dud. pretty forgettable.
― borntohula, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 06:26 (fourteen years ago) link
i never really paid attn to dudes outside the radio staples but the gf turned me on to their records and goddamn if they're not the best grunge thing this side of nirvana
― i yelled "BIG HOOS" but i was yelling at my steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 06:41 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^ utterly, utterly piercing
― i yelled "BIG HOOS" but i was yelling at my steen (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 06:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Not great - some nice crunchy guitars, and it is unmistakably AIC, but it needs a way catchier chorus.
― chap, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 12:25 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i think it was a mistake to release a 7-minute long number for their "comeback" single.
i really don't like Nick Raskulinecz's production style at all.
― borntohula, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 15:16 (fourteen years ago) link
those two sentences are unrelated...
― borntohula, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 15:23 (fourteen years ago) link
new song is kinda boring but not terrible. is this really going to be a single? can't imagine people will care too much.
― original bgm, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link
i can't the vocals on AIC songs
― Jesus X, the Arthropod Barrista (res), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Can't resist?
― chap, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link
the new song is really unmemorable
― j.m. goatse (bug), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 18:03 (fourteen years ago) link
oops, can't *stand*
― Jesus X, the Arthropod Barrista (res), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Man there was no reason for that to be seven minutes long by anyone's standards
― Real Men Play On Words (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link
hah im already fighting with ppl about this over on doomed forever
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 1 July 2009 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Just listening to Sap for the first time in years. It's disarmingly lovely.
― chap, Sunday, 26 July 2009 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link
it is. Much superior to jar of flies.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 26 July 2009 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Agreed. There's something a bit ponderous about JoF.
― chap, Sunday, 26 July 2009 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link
i still have my sap import cd that i traipsed around glasgow looking for in 1992. (found it in 23rd precinct when it still had the rock bit downstairs)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 26 July 2009 22:21 (fourteen years ago) link
so the new one huh. thoughts?
― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 26 September 2009 08:33 (fourteen years ago) link
getting ridiculously good reviews across the board. pretty excited to hear it. the non-layne issue doesnt bother me a bit; jerry wrote most of the songs in the first place and the death of a band member shouldn't mean the others have to give up their livelihood to appease the lamer fans
― Jamie_ATP, Saturday, 26 September 2009 11:36 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, the press is solid so far. my thoughts on the single that was posted upthread are a little mixed. while it exhibits some classic AIC elements and the odd thumping riff for good measure, it seems like a bit of a pastiche. we have a whole lot of different sections thrown into the mix that don't work particularly well together and it really seems that they've laboured and laboured to get those harmonies sounding like vintage-era AIC. end result is that they sound over-studied, whereas on previous outings they were both natural and key to the band's sound. this repetition of choruses and unimaginative song structuring is also erring dangerously close to the stuff on JC's solo albums. mind you, these are early days and i'll have a more concerted opinion once i've heard the album in full.
― Charlie Howard, Saturday, 26 September 2009 12:07 (fourteen years ago) link
When Baroness start doing Alice in Chains harmonies on "Steel That Sleeps the Eye" it breaks the overall feel of the album, and it's the one downer on the otherwise wicked ace Blue Record. But it does make me curious as to how much of Dirt I'd like after more than a decade of ignoring it.
― bendy, Saturday, 26 September 2009 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link
I have weird reservations about the new album that aren't really very logical. We saw them live last year, and I was okay with that. Lead dude sounded great, cool to see Jerry and the boys still playing, I enjoyed the show a lot. But an album just makes it too...official. I listened to a couple of tracks and it just feels wrong. Maybe I'm being too much of a chick about it. But I don't feel right about an Alice In Chains ALBUM with no Layne.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Sunday, 27 September 2009 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link
its not AIC in my eyes and never will me. the arguments about maiden,ac/dc etc dont hold up as they didnt split up saying they couldnt go on then reform 10 years later as the guitarists solo career had failed. He shouldnt be using the name after all this time. Its purely about money and is disgusting.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 27 September 2009 00:57 (fourteen years ago) link
we probably have another 3 years until my turn for the grunge poll comes around anyway but as this is the year Nevermind turns 30, it deffo should run this year imo.
I have metal poll in the near future but spottie is more than welcome to run the grunge poll instead of me if he would like to
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 18:52 (three years ago) link
Gonna be a bunch of crossover, I assume.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 January 2021 19:19 (three years ago) link
grunge poll! grunge poll!
― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Friday, 15 January 2021 20:13 (three years ago) link
oh snap sorry neechy i havent checked the list in a long time just figured it wasnt on there and i remember a long time ago volunteering to do one. But I'd love if you did it and i could design the images and help with the rollout for it? people feel strongly about the bands that need to be included and those that dont id be open to whatever.
― a nice controlled drift (Spottie), Friday, 15 January 2021 20:43 (three years ago) link
im sure we can come up with something. Who knows when it will be our turn though.
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 20:56 (three years ago) link
there's been several new ballot poll threads(and new D/Ns for me) since i asked to be put on the list. iirc my request first time was missed by whoever was in charge (wmc?)
anyway it matters little. I'll be happy to co-run it with you or you can do it solo. Im fine either way.
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 21:07 (three years ago) link
Queensryche and Faster Pussycat will NOT be included though! lol
taking the grunge poll chat here:
ILM Ballot Polls for 2020 and beyond -- the ordering, timing, "I would have voted if I'd known about it," etc
― a nice controlled drift (Spottie), Friday, 15 January 2021 21:12 (three years ago) link
Love them but I hate Rooster. It's so redneck.
― Sandy, Monday, March 3, 2014 3:12 AM bookmarkflaglink
this isn't an insult
― here 1st (roxymuzak), Monday, 31 October 2022 17:15 (one year ago) link
aic were one of my first indications that there are rednecks everywhere and i celebrate them for it. always resonated a lot more with them than with someone like kurt cobain who shat on rural people every chance he could get. i remember a documentary where you could see jerry putting in a massive dip and i was just like, these are my guys
― here 1st (roxymuzak), Monday, 31 October 2022 17:17 (one year ago) link
also re: upthread, calling jerry a background singer is so completely unhinged
― here 1st (roxymuzak), Monday, 31 October 2022 17:19 (one year ago) link
it’s hard to remember but AIC came up on the tail end of mainstream hard rock metal’s popularity and iirc they were on one of the final big Monsters of Rock tours, so they def had one foot in that genre and obv had a kinship with a lot of folks whose life’s soundtrack was that music. When Dirt dropped it felt like such a true lived-in statement and very uncompromising, as much as I liked a lot of the other grunge acts (and I really did esp Pearl Jam tbh) I never got any sense of reportage from IRL shit like I did with AIC. which isn’t to say the other bands weren’t going thru IRL shit (obviously history shows they were) but Staley and co just really didn’t pull their punches. Gotta find my copy of this and replace it if I can’t.
― omar little, Monday, 31 October 2022 18:11 (one year ago) link
I am glad I was able to catch them in both acoustic (short set at a benefit gig in 1992) and electric (near top of bill at Lolla 93, sadly missed a show right at UCI the previous fall) modes during the Dirt run. Still remember Angelo from Fishbone (and maybe one other bandmember) coming out for "Them Bones" at Lolla and Maynard from Tool joining on "Rooster," and both times it made it all the more intense, but I do wish I could remember their "Would?" from that show more vividly.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 31 October 2022 18:16 (one year ago) link
i think as a teen i just thought they sounded slightly heavier than the other big modern rock acts of the day, but it's wild how heavy they sound to me now. the intro to "them bones" is heavy as shit. i also love how maximalist they got around the self-titled, especially on something like "grind," SO many guitar and vocal tracks
― here 1st (roxymuzak), Monday, 31 October 2022 18:54 (one year ago) link
I think that backing vocalist comment from upthread was me (from when I was BJO). Think my overall view is and has always been that I liked Jerry's voice, but I preferred him vocally serving more as a harmonic complement to Layne than being an outright lead singer. His voice is pleasant, but I liked it better when he was singing the moodier pieces on Sap and JoF then when he took two lead tracks on s/t.
He's obviously a driving force in the band, I just used to get salty when publications would slight Layne to praise Cantrell, I mean obviously the latter wrote or co-wrote almost all of their material, but without Layne's vocals, they wouldn't have achieved what they did (same if they never had Jerry). they were a power duo, albeit one where Jerry had to pick up a lot of slack when Layne was out of commission for long periods.
in conclusion Alice in Chains rules. "What the Hell Have I?" best song
― stank viola (Neanderthal), Monday, 31 October 2022 19:19 (one year ago) link
Hair metal Lane takes on the PMRC!!! very cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yslRsWmgAA
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 15:23 (three months ago) link
It's so weird to me to realize that the DuVall version of the band has, at this point, existed for three years longer than the Staley version and released just as many full-length albums.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 16:13 (three months ago) link
I really wish more of the cock-rockier era of AiC survived. obviously there's Facelift, but there's also several tracks in the Music Bank boxed set like "Social Parasite", that were really mega-cool. it wasn't what they did best, but an interesting origin story, especially since most bands in that scene were more of a rebellion AGAINST hair metal.
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 17:09 (three months ago) link
I wish they'd repress Sap/Jar Of Flies on vinyl, those records are ASTONISHING. The Everly Brothers of smack. The hamronies of this group were insane.
I keep meaning to check out the DuVall records. Jerry Cantrell's a fantastic songwriter, and I've heard DuVall is great. But in my head Alice In Chains is Layne's story, and it ends when he ends.
― impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 17:53 (three months ago) link
Harmonies. Hamronies sounds like some kind of delicious American junk food.
― impostor syndrome to the (expletive) max (stevie), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 17:54 (three months ago) link
"Rotten Apple" is incredible
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 17:56 (three months ago) link
Here's a another incredible relic of the God's Party Animals era of AiC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXe8WecFvBk
― here 1st (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 17:57 (three months ago) link
Totally forgot about "I Can't Have You Blues"
Also Jerry Cantrell shower footage!
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 18:04 (three months ago) link
The DuVall era stuff is fine? I don't hate it, Cantrell gives enough reason to listen, but obviously just nowhere near the alchemy that Staley brought to it.
Sap and Jar of Flies are incredible, absolutely.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 18:12 (three months ago) link
totally agree on the amazing vocal harmonies. I recently re-purchased this Japanese disc that has Jar Of Flies and Sap on one cd
― brimstead, Wednesday, 24 January 2024 18:23 (three months ago) link
the harmonies were great live too, going by the few live recordings they have
― never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 24 January 2024 19:03 (three months ago) link