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I picked up dirt & unplugged as a twofer from FOpp the other day. I thought the nostalgia would be shortlived but IMO if anyone's stood the test of time Grunge-wise it's them. Arguably the most mature songwriters of their era, full of contemplating moodiness without ever slipping into teenage whining - even at 25 I feel like I'm listening to something infinitely more intelligent than say, Pearl Jam or Nirvana. I especially like their unplugged album - it's like stalking someone in a haunted Vietnam forest or something. Well, "Frogs" is anyway.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 08:34 (fourteen years ago) link

dirt - classic.
jar of flies - dipping
anything after - dud.

danny boy (danny boy), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 10:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Rooster from the Unplugged is C. Layne Staley propped himself up, but his voice is grit.

stet (stet), Thursday, 17 August 2006 02:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Ugh. Did the re-evaluation with these when deciding whether or not to sell 'em.
Facelift is bad psuedometal, Dirt is embarrassingly bad aside from a couple stunning songs, Jar of Flies is still decent but not superb (I think it's held up the best), and everything after is so Dudley Dowrong that it's hard to imagine that people actually enjoyed it.

js (honestengine), Thursday, 17 August 2006 06:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I've been rather enjoying Dirt recently. Godsmack was possibly one of the most rockingest tracks of the Grunge era.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Thursday, 17 August 2006 07:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Dirt rules.
I want to hear those new Courtney Love songs written with Jerry Cantrell.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 17 August 2006 07:40 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
What the...a tour?

Novoselic and Grohl should just go out as Nirvana, White Stripes-style.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 21:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess this is less silly because Staley didn't write 99.9% of the songs. This is the new singer William DuVall, who I have never heard of before:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/03/William_DuVall.jpg/200px-William_DuVall.jpg

The only way I wanna see Krist/Dave billed as Nirvana is if they have Courtney Love on guitar/vocals. But then the sky would crack open, etc.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Some info:

http://www.adbdesign.com/cwtf/william.html

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link

fuck new york shows sold out :(

disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:13 (fourteen years ago) link

jerry cantrell seems to be having a field day getting his mates to guest on alice tracks. what have they become, a tribute band?

Charlie Howard (the sphinx), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 11:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Dirt is absolute Classic to the Max. Also, the selftitled one, (with the dog on the cover) is really okay if you dive into it (Grind is really great, Heaven beside you a really nice ballad), though it's almost a Jerry Cantrell solo-record.

The new line-up and tour are totally Dud.

Marty Innerlogic (marty innerlogic), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 12:02 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
the s/t one is a weird, weird record. sort of cool overall, but flawed. nice if you like those sort of albums. there's a lot to sink your teeth into, specifically brush away, sludge factory, frogs, head creeps... but some real clunkers as well (nothing song is the worst alice track ever and so close isn't far behind). musically it's really grimy sounding, appropriately sludgy i guess. heh. layne had developed a bizarre vocal delivery, where he's not doing a great deal more than speaking the words in a gravelly, vaguely lispy way. and his lyrics are as oddball as they ever got, more veiled and rambling than the concise drug musings of dirt to be sure.

Charlie Howard, Sunday, 15 April 2007 09:23 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

'rotten apple' is fab

Charlie Howard, Monday, 18 June 2007 11:29 (thirteen years ago) link

ha I put on Dirt the other day and it was ruling hard, gotta buy that s/t album since I've only really heard it when my ex-roommate played it.

Also, the selftitled one, (with the dog on the cover) is really okay if you dive into it (Grind is really great, Heaven beside you a really nice ballad), though it's almost a Jerry Cantrell solo-record.

Erm, isn't that the one where Staley did contribute a significant amount of songwriting? The reunited band doesn't play much from it, I suppose for that reason.

marmotwolof, Monday, 18 June 2007 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link

'rotten apple' is fab
OTM. I wonder what the last line ('recommend you borrow') means, though.

it always peeves me when nirvana gets all the kudos for marrying metal to beatlesque pop and blah blah blah, when AIC did that particular thing even better. the vocal harmonies on a lot of songs on dirt are some next level shit.

John Splith, Monday, 18 June 2007 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link

tht "Sickman" chorus totally sounds like some kind of seasick Beatles dirge that Lennon would have written in '68/'69

Stormy Davis, Monday, 18 June 2007 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, Sickman is a great song, alternating between the instense metal sprint of the verses and the woozy off-kilter choruses. Rotten Apple is nice (and I sampled the opening guitar line on a tune I made once) but my favourite acoustic song of theirs is Brother - the chorus just really hits the spot. I never managed to get into the self titled one at all - in fact I can't remember anything about it except Heaven Beside You.

chap, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link

'recommend you borrow' is a bit of a sentence fragment, isn't it? there are a lot of those in latter-years alice in chains.

i figure a lot of layne's lyrics, particularly on s/t, made sense in his own head on an intrapersonal level. be damned if i can work out half of it though...

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 06:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Just for the hell of it I made a list of the songs (from the 3 main albums and 2 eps) nu-Alice could play if they were avoiding Staley stuff completely. It's still a pretty impressive catalog.

"We Die Young"
"Sea of Sorrow"
"Bleed the Freak"
"It Ain't Like That"
"Sunshine"
"Put You Down"
"I Know Somethin' ('Bout You)"
"Brother"
"Got Me Wrong"
"Right Turn"
"Them Bones"
"Dam That River"
"Down in a Hole"
"Rooster"
"Would?"
"No Excuses"
"Whale & Wasp"
"Don't Follow"
"Grind"
"Heaven Beside You"
"Over Now"

From the set lists I've seen they are at least doing "Man in the Box," "Love, Hate, Love," "Angry Chair," "God Smack," "Junkhead," "Rain When I Die," "Sludge Factory" and "Again." Haven't seen any where they busted out "Sickman" or "Rotten Apple," though.

marmotwolof, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 07:50 (thirteen years ago) link

haha 'love, hate, love'. false ending to end all false endings.

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 07:52 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, but the entire lyric for that song is pretty fragmentary, yet it still seems to cohere into some fall-from-grace theme or whatever. That line just sort of dangles there at the end and throws me for a loop.

xpost

John Splith, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 07:53 (thirteen years ago) link

(shoddy mixed metaphor, sorry)

John Splith, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 07:54 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah!

the 'crawling back to start' implies a sort of voluntary, defeatist fall-from-grace as well. aic were never really short of grim

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 07:57 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

classic.

despite what anybody said, "Facelift" was classic and fun as hell....Dirt was amazing. Jar of Flies was great...

Sap was ok. Self-titled album was pretty good, not great. Music Bank had some really nice b-side material.

I'm really iffy on them writing new material with Mr. Duvall though (as has been reported).

Certainly I mean it isn't taboo or anything but even though Layne didn't write the majority of the songs, when I think of AiC, I think of his voice. They're synonymous. Just wish they'd use another moniker.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 7 December 2007 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link

huge fucking dud.

stephen, Friday, 7 December 2007 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^^rong

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Friday, 7 December 2007 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link

huge classic

winston, Friday, 7 December 2007 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Dirt was amazing. Jar of Flies was great...

OTFM

winston, Friday, 7 December 2007 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link

that tripod record still fascinates me. from the ugly cover art and revised logo to the bizarre songs and grimy mix, there is a serious what-the-fuck vibe going on.

strangely, i really like it. you've got to ask what 'so close' and 'nothing song' are doing on the record though. worthless, half ideas smothered in blandness. i'll defend the record on most other counts though and suggest that it might just be worthy of classic status.

Charlie Howard, Saturday, 8 December 2007 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Huge classic but please don't write anymore material under the name. don't tarnish it.

Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 8 December 2007 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Herman otm

Charlie, you're right about strange songs on the self-titled album. A lot of them work too ("God Am", "Brush Away", "Frogs"). "Nothing Song" is indeed a dud.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 8 December 2007 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link

love 'brush away', yeah.
and the spoken part on 'frogs' is very cool. don't quite know what layne was on about there, but that's pretty much the point.

Charlie Howard, Saturday, 8 December 2007 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link

yea that part always creeped me out a bit

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 8 December 2007 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link

uh huh
and you know, i'm gonna chime in as well and say please no more recordings under the alice name. i know what new cantrell-penned songs stand for - 6-minute guitar based plodders all over the place.

Charlie Howard, Saturday, 8 December 2007 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Yea, Guitar Magazine used to fellate the guy and no doubt he's talented but when they said he "held the cards" in AIC it really angered me, sure he wrote most of the material but what about Layne's vocals?

Not to mention Jerry's solo material (at least his first album, never heard the second) was BORING. Dude is a good backup singer but shouldn't sing lead on ANYTHING.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 8 December 2007 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

i mean

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v136/primrosehill/littledudeslayne.jpg

roxymuzak, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

+9

gff, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 16:45 (twelve years ago) link

It's interesting to hear how much they remind me of the Byrds on their early releases.

the next grozart, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

i love "sap" and "jar of flies", i still listen to them pretty often. i like some songs off of "dirt" and "facelift" and the self titled, "dirt" being by far the most consistent. i was disappointed by the unplugged though. i saw them live in 93 at lollapalooza, they killed it.

pipecock, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 21:35 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

well the new aic record seems to be going ahead. i'll be pretty curious about it if i'm at all able to disassociate it from the true alice name

Charlie Howard, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 13:20 (twelve years ago) link

No no no no no, AIC without Staley is a terrible idea.

chap, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:06 (twelve years ago) link

I expect someone will do a really obvious 'fixed' on that post.

chap, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:07 (twelve years ago) link

It worked for INXS. Uh.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

Bad idea.

roxymuzak, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

Awful idea.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 16:20 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

And the press release!

Los Angeles, CA- Legendary rock band ALICE IN CHAINS has signed an exclusive worldwide deal with EMI's Virgin Records and are gearing up for the release of their first new studio album in more than 10 years. The band and producer Nick Raskulinecz (Rush, Foo Fighters) began recording last October at Studio 606 in Northridge, CA and recently finished mixing at Henson Studios in Hollywood. The highly anticipated album is scheduled for release this September.

Guitarist/vocalist Jerry Cantrell, drummer Sean Kinney and bassist Mike Inez reunited in 2005 at a benefit for victims of the tsunami in Indonesia. They began touring with new guitarist/vocalist William DuVall the following year.

"It's been a meaningful journey and a hell of a story," says Cantrell. "We're very excited to have a home at Virgin/EMI and are looking forward to writing new chapters in the book of Alice."

"We're in a good place," adds Kinney. "We've made a record that we're really proud of, we've got a team in place that's passionate about the music and we're excited for the fans to hear the new songs."
"Alice In Chains has had a big hand in the evolution of music and I still can't believe we get to work with them," says Rob Stevenson, President of Virgin Records. "This music is going to remind people what we've all been missing."
"There is a tremendous sense of excitement and dedication within EMI around the world as we head into this album release," Added Jeff Kempler, EMI's COO of New Music for North America and the UK,"Alice In Chains' place in rock history is undeniable and when people hear this remarkable new work it will be clear how timeless, potent and visionary this band is."
Alice In Chains were among the headliners at the recent Rock on the Range festival in Columbus, OH. Next up is a July 18 show with Kid Rock at Comerica Park in Detroit, to be followed by festival shows with Metallica overseas, including an August 1 date at Marlay Park in Dublin and an August 2 show at the Sonisphere Festival at Knebworth. Earlier this year, the quartet took a break from recording to perform a string of shows in Australia with Nine Inch Nails.

Over the course of their remarkable career, Alice In Chains has garnered multiple Grammy nominations, sold more than 17 million albums worldwide and achieved 11 top 10 hit singles.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 June 2009 14:12 (eleven years ago) link

I idly note that Staley isn't mentioned once.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 June 2009 14:13 (eleven years ago) link

Also, Layne Staley is still dead.

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 8 June 2009 14:14 (eleven years ago) link

i wanted to do a grunge poll

a nice controlled drift (Spottie), Friday, 15 January 2021 00:42 (one week ago) link

Sign me the f up!

Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Friday, 15 January 2021 00:42 (one week ago) link

Yeah, this might be the ultimate "grunge" album. It just sounds like ... grunge. This or Screaming Tree's "Sweet Oblivion," maybe.

I was listening to "Badmotorfinger" the other night, and it's like the ultimate prog-metal album that isn't quite prog or metal. I think the key to Alice in Chains (or Screaming Trees, for that matter) are those vocals. Cornell is the best singer of the entire bunch, but it's that low, guttural Layne/Vedder/Lanegan wail that kind of defines grunge for me.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 January 2021 01:27 (one week ago) link

Totally agreed (and lol, because I went Mad Season > Dirt > Sweet Oblivion tonight). Soundgarden always my favorite grunge band, but AiC and Screaming Trees have such distinctive vocals.

Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Friday, 15 January 2021 01:30 (one week ago) link

i would participate in a grunge poll!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 January 2021 01:31 (one week ago) link

Strangely I was in the middle of listening to dirt yesterday and felt a sudden urge to hear “outshined”. Good god, Cornell’s verse vocals there. “SOOO DOWN”

with aic for sure it’s the vocals but also really solid songwriting, really nice melodic touches and cool middle eights and things

brimstead, Friday, 15 January 2021 02:02 (one week ago) link

I have somehow never listened to Mad Season and always mixed them up with Temple of the Dog!

brimstead, Friday, 15 January 2021 02:03 (one week ago) link

Tracks or albums poll? Or both?

pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 02:03 (one week ago) link

Tracks, I would say, but I would do either. Maybe tracks with an album top-10 side poll?

Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Friday, 15 January 2021 02:08 (one week ago) link

Cornell is just a monster. Staley has distinctive vocals, but it's also the treatment. They're double-tracked a lot, correct?

Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Friday, 15 January 2021 02:10 (one week ago) link

Tracks would be the main poll but would prob do albums too

a nice controlled drift (Spottie), Friday, 15 January 2021 02:11 (one week ago) link

I'd be in for a grunge poll, albeit I suspect I don't know grunge as well as I think I do.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 15 January 2021 08:40 (one week ago) link

Which bands would be eligible in a grunge poll? Seattle only, or would it extent to eg Smashing Pumpkins?

chap, Friday, 15 January 2021 08:46 (one week ago) link

shawn smith is a legend in my mind just for his contributions to the first twilight singers record and having a band with my name

first pigonhed and satchel albums are all-time for me

Ray Cooney as "Crotch" (stevie), Friday, 15 January 2021 09:39 (one week ago) link

S/T is exhausting, but the highs are high (pun not intended). Love the guitar sound, especially on Over Now.

Mule, Friday, 15 January 2021 12:47 (one week ago) link

Over Now is a highlight.

chap, Friday, 15 January 2021 13:05 (one week ago) link

Love Brad/Satchel/Smith, I'm sure I read somewhere years back that the band (Brad) were originally called The Crash Test Dummies, and faced with litigation they renamed the band after the 'other' TCTD's lead singer.

Maresn3st, Friday, 15 January 2021 14:18 (one week ago) link

The disappearance of the vast archive of Shawn Smith stuff on Bandcamp is an odd one. Must be estate-related, I assume? In terms of where to start, Let It All Begin and Shield of Thorns are both lovely solo albums,

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 15 January 2021 14:30 (one week ago) link

I finally got around to look that up the other day, and was very disappointed to see it gone

Mule, Friday, 15 January 2021 14:39 (one week ago) link

Listening to the Mad Season album for the first time makes me realise how SOULFUL a lot of grunge could be

Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Friday, 15 January 2021 16:37 (one week ago) link

Which bands would be eligible in a grunge poll? Seattle only, or would it extent to eg Smashing Pumpkins?

― chap, Friday, January 15, 2021 1:46 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

no pumpkins. honestly i was just thinking the big 4 (PJ, SG, Nirvana, AiC) and maybe any of their offshoots. i could be possibly be swayed. could just do a soundgarden poll tbf.

a nice controlled drift (Spottie), Friday, 15 January 2021 17:31 (one week ago) link

i wanted to do a grunge poll

― a nice controlled drift (Spottie), Friday, 15 January 2021 00:42 (sixteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sign me the f up!

― Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Friday, 15 January 2021 00:42 (sixteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I signed up years ago to do a grunge poll but you are most welcome to take it off my hands or we could co run it.

Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 17:34 (one week ago) link

What about, like, Hole, Mudhoney, Green River, Mad Season, Tad, Screaming Trees, L7, etc.?

pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 17:35 (one week ago) link

imo they all have to be in it

Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 17:35 (one week ago) link

melvins too

Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 17:35 (one week ago) link

Grunge was what got me into music aged 18 and I was into all those bands

Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 17:36 (one week ago) link

What no Gruntruck?

Seriously though, Tad, Hole, Screaming Trees, Mudhoney, Stone Temple Pilots?

Lol, Xp

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 15 January 2021 17:36 (one week ago) link

imo they all have to be in it

Agreed.

pomenitul, Friday, 15 January 2021 17:37 (one week ago) link

I never counted STP as real grunge, lol

Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 17:39 (one week ago) link

Nor did I count Candlebox or Silverchair etc

Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 17:40 (one week ago) link

Aye, STP definitely the FM version. I think a 'looser' remit would be more interesting? It's not like we're going to start nominating Kyuss or Neil Young.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 15 January 2021 17:42 (one week ago) link

stick to WA and it should be fine

brimstead, Friday, 15 January 2021 17:59 (one week ago) link

No to STP, yes to Hole and L7. If your debut record didn't come out before Nevermind was released, you're out, unless you were comprised of members of other grunge bands (so yes to Brad and Mad Season).

Like basically this should be Green River > Down on the Upside.

Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Friday, 15 January 2021 18:11 (one week ago) link

And god no Smashing Pumpkins. It's a grunge poll, not an alternative poll.

Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Friday, 15 January 2021 18:13 (one week ago) link

I just got a box set of Mudhoney's mid '90s albums (when they were signed to Warners) and they're surprisingly good. If people really do the homework (LISTEN TO TAD YOU MOTHERFUCKERS), this could be an interesting poll.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 15 January 2021 18:17 (one week ago) link

i am already triggered by whats grunge/whats not lol DIDNT WE SORT THIS OUT 30 YEARS AGO

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 January 2021 18:24 (one week ago) link

It's not that hard! Just leave the second wave grunge for the MTV Alternative Nation poll.

Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Friday, 15 January 2021 18:26 (one week ago) link

Listening to the Mad Season album for the first time makes me realise how SOULFUL a lot of grunge could be

This was the secret unlocked by the Afghan Whigs, by way of Ohio.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 January 2021 18:29 (one week ago) link

And Screaming Trees, too; not really much metal in either of those bands.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 January 2021 18:29 (one week ago) link

Yes to Mother Love Bone then?

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 15 January 2021 18:46 (one week ago) link

yup

Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 18:50 (one week ago) link

Nice. I suspect Man of Golden Words would be fairly high on my ballot.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 15 January 2021 18:52 (one week ago) link

we probably have another 3 years until my turn for the grunge poll comes around anyway but as this is the year Nevermind turns 30, it deffo should run this year imo.

I have metal poll in the near future but spottie is more than welcome to run the grunge poll instead of me if he would like to

Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 18:52 (one week ago) link

Gonna be a bunch of crossover, I assume.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 January 2021 19:19 (one week ago) link

grunge poll! grunge poll!

Jimi Buffett (PBKR), Friday, 15 January 2021 20:13 (one week ago) link

oh snap sorry neechy i havent checked the list in a long time just figured it wasnt on there and i remember a long time ago volunteering to do one. But I'd love if you did it and i could design the images and help with the rollout for it? people feel strongly about the bands that need to be included and those that dont id be open to whatever.

a nice controlled drift (Spottie), Friday, 15 January 2021 20:43 (one week ago) link

im sure we can come up with something. Who knows when it will be our turn though.

Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 20:56 (one week ago) link

there's been several new ballot poll threads(and new D/Ns for me) since i asked to be put on the list. iirc my request first time was missed by whoever was in charge (wmc?)

anyway it matters little. I'll be happy to co-run it with you or you can do it solo. Im fine either way.

Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 21:07 (one week ago) link

Queensryche and Faster Pussycat will NOT be included though! lol

Oor Neechy, Friday, 15 January 2021 21:07 (one week ago) link


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