First Elastica LP - Classic or Dud?

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Although I think that "Waking Up" is one of the definite songs ever done: The album is kinda boring. The whole first half sucks.

What do you think?

grand (grand), Thursday, 3 August 2006 20:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's fun.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Thursday, 3 August 2006 21:07 (twelve years ago) Permalink

classic : taut, clean, sparse, pop album, like Rubber Soul in that respect.

winter testing (winter testing), Thursday, 3 August 2006 21:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

BTW is it Britpop Re-Evaluation Day here on ILM ? I really hope so!

winter testing (winter testing), Thursday, 3 August 2006 21:14 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Apart from 'Car Song' whose lyrics I find excruciatingly embarassing, it's a good album.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 3 August 2006 21:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I love it. I never understood all the critisism, but I guess we never got all the gossip about Justine and Damon Albarn over here.
I don't think the first half can suck when it's
got "Annie", "Connection", "Car Song", and "Hold Me Now".

(x-post)

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Thursday, 3 August 2006 21:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Classic. Can't justify it, just love it. One of my favorite English pop/rock records of the last 10 years (11 years? time flies). So effortlessly stylish and appealing, without ever seeming at all "serious." In my mind, I file it with Is This It?, the first couple Pixies records, and the Cars' debut.

Disagree, too, that the first half is dull. Love the whole damn thing. While the best tunes are scattered throughout, I do agree that there's a great run from "Waking Up" through "Stutter".

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 3 August 2006 21:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i won it for free from a local music store on easter. one of the best free albums i ever heard until the rise of p2p

J. Grizzle--Here Comes Treble (trainsmoke), Thursday, 3 August 2006 21:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

A seminal record in my life. A gateway album, through which I discovered the Buzzcocks and Wire. "Never Here" is the secret highlight.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 3 August 2006 21:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

BTW is it Britpop Re-Evaluation Daydecade here on ILM ? I really hope so!

Fixed.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 3 August 2006 21:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Stutter" is good. Good recorded-in-metal-bucket sound. I like how she sings "is it the way that I touch youuuuuuu?".
Er, s'about it.

David Orton (scarlet), Thursday, 3 August 2006 21:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i adored it at the time, now i think i'd be struggling to get through it. connection and car song in particular i've heard far far too many times

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Thursday, 3 August 2006 22:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i like it a lot, my favorite might be the BBC album though

gear (gear), Thursday, 3 August 2006 23:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

classic, easily my favorite thing to come out of "britpop" (or whatever)

de latebloomer's 2015 youth crew revival (latebloomer), Friday, 4 August 2006 00:40 (twelve years ago) Permalink

a) So good! b) Please state your country of origin when replying (US)

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 4 August 2006 01:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

xpost - yeah! I used to listen to this a lot when it came out. picked up a tape copy for $1 about a year ago.. lots of fun. this & different class are pretty much all I like of britpop

dar1a g (daria g), Friday, 4 August 2006 01:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

A gateway album, through which I discovered the Buzzcocks and Wire.

Kinda the problem for me, in that I already had. Much less irritated by it now than I was then, but no active love.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 August 2006 01:54 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I like the 2nd album better.

So Ho La (So Ho La), Friday, 4 August 2006 04:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Only in my worst nightmares did I honestly expect the shitparade of mediocrity & unimaginative kleptomania that was Britpop to join the 'canon'.

DUD.

Even with Donna Matthews spunky guitar playing.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 4 August 2006 04:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

that reminds me, i bought a klang cd the other day and it was dreadful

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Friday, 4 August 2006 04:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

What? The Klang cd was great!

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 4 August 2006 04:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

more classic than dud by a good stretch.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (US) (yournullfame), Friday, 4 August 2006 05:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

all-time classic, sleek and sexy. I don't play it often, but whenever somebody else does, I really enjoy it.

nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I've never heard the whole of this album, but I do like the songs I have heard. Was Justine Frischmann the Patti Smith/Courtney Love of Britpop?

All the Britpop hataz - it's a lot more imaginative than what the NME is covering now. I guess that's not saying much but I'm suspicious of hardcore Britpop haters cos they reek of blind popism.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 4 August 2006 06:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

FWIW I'd been a big fan of both Buzzcocks and Wire for a decade or so when this record first came out, and the obvious similarities (or "kleptomania," if you prefer) didn't bother me a bit. Still fell in love with it instantly.

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Friday, 4 August 2006 10:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Fantastic. As was the second album.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Friday, 4 August 2006 10:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i think it's one of the definite albums ever done.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Friday, 4 August 2006 10:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's not saying much no!

The legacy of Britpop is WHY there is little very imaginative in the NME now.

Most of the stuff I do like from the Britpop era (Kenickie, Dubstar, Pulp) I have a hard time imagining wouldn't have found success on their own terms eventually.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 4 August 2006 10:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

dubstar clearly had some pretty shitty terms!

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Friday, 4 August 2006 10:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Classic. Through "Waking Up" one can discover The Stranglers too.

zeus (zeus), Friday, 4 August 2006 10:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I dunno, maybe I am biased but Elastica never seemed to do all that much with their "influences" other than shiny them up & make them catchy & uncomplicated to sing. It's ersatz, a bit soulless, and just not enough for me. They can go in the dustbin with Sleeper & the rest.

xpost- haha! I don't even like them that much, grasping at straws really when it comes to Britpop that was any good.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 4 August 2006 10:51 (twelve years ago) Permalink

But dog latin, don't you just blame The Strokes et al. for the same evils I attribute to Britpop?

"Connection" is alright I guess, but it still comes over like a limp cousin of The Breeders "Cannonball" with less actual spirit.

fandango (fandango), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

it's supposed to sound like that. i like it.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

actually, I'll retract the bit about "unimaginative kleptomania"... dog latin is right, compared to now Wire & The Stranglers are some pretty far out names to drop!

fandango (fandango), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Definitely one of my favourite albums from Britpop era! I love the guitar distortion sound on songs like Stutter.

Not sure how to dismiss Elastica but like Kenickie? Seems like they were both along similar lines, at least on their respective debuts. I like both of them but I prefer Elastica.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 4 August 2006 11:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Elastica > Pink Flag

christopherscottknudsen (christopherscottknudsen), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Were Elastica the Zeigest of Britpop?

wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

They never ever struck me like they were even part of Britpop--tempos too fast, tunes too sharp, attack too pronounced. Always struck me like a punky throwback, w/none of the soddenness of the Britpop elite, and it's why I always thought they were waaaay better than Blur/Oasis/et. al. (Pulp excepted, but they had the best songwriter by far.)

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

In retrospect, Elastica didn't really fit in with Britpop, whereas they'd blend right into the 00's haircut indie aesthetic. Both sonically and visually.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 4 August 2006 12:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Except I like Ladytron better. I would, though.

What? The Klang cd was great!

Yeah, I actually think that was the best thing to come out of the whole band!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

>> In retrospect, Elastica didn't really fit in with Britpop, whereas they'd blend right into the 00's haircut indie aesthetic. Both sonically and visually.

I don't get that at all. The 00's haircut bands all have that bland (ProTools?) production with no kick at all. Elastica had lovely raw-sounding guitars.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

sod it, after a pause to consider, I'll concede to matos & dog latin here.

Maybe they shouldn't be lazily lumped in with the lumpen Britpop acts after all, though I still think they were a right cardboard cut-out of a "band".

fandango (fandango), Friday, 4 August 2006 13:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i like the tune justine frischmann did with the band pleasure

gear (gear), Friday, 4 August 2006 17:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I used to love this record, and still think it's pretty good. Never really got why it's supposed to be a guilty pleasure or whatever.

Dominique (dleone), Friday, 4 August 2006 17:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i went through this massive britpop phase when i lived in nyc, spearheaded by this album. it's one of the few that i still listen to, along with 'different class' and 'on' and 'i should coco'.

gear (gear), Friday, 4 August 2006 17:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Pastiche and fakery. Horrible Hoxton posing. DUD. Donna found God in the end didn't she?

lexurian (lexurian), Friday, 4 August 2006 23:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

One of the best records ever.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Saturday, 5 August 2006 13:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

God this is so good. Better than His And Hers.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 20:55 (ten years ago) Permalink

I still go mental when I hear 'Stutter' out.

Mister Craig, Wednesday, 30 July 2008 23:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

The whole first half sucks.

nooooooooo :(

billstevejim, Sunday, 3 April 2011 05:39 (eight years ago) Permalink

Stutter is so sexy.

kraudive, Sunday, 3 April 2011 14:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

eight years pass...

CLASSIC.

That they weren't able to come up with a proper follow-up to this and instead spent years dicking about doing smack and falling out with each other still sucks.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 18:07 (two months ago) Permalink

The fact that half of The Menace was badly re-recorded versions of things that sounded great on the preceding EP was the worst of it, they could have made a half-decent second LP even after the smack and the revolving door membership.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 18:17 (two months ago) Permalink

Yeah, it seems to me that once they managed to get themselves into a decent enough shape to make a record, that the energy, enthusiasm and drive had completely gone. In hindsight, perhaps they did far too much touring. I gotta say, of all the bands of the time, my money would have been on Oasis being the drug casualties rather than Elastica!

Also, is it just me or were Ash more than a little inspired by Elastica's 'Blue' on their track 'A Life Less Ordinary'?

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 18:25 (two months ago) Permalink

hmmmmmm...

Yeah, from memory of both, yeah.

Mark G, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 12:01 (two months ago) Permalink

I've also gotta say that as a Stranglers fan, I wasn't bothered about 'em borrowing from 'No More Heroes' for 'Waking Up', either. In fact, I loved that they were so blatant about it. There's countless bands that have obviously been inspired/influenced by the Stranglers, but they won't come out and say it.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 14:32 (two months ago) Permalink

Holy mackerel I did not know about that EP. Nothing Stays The Same is my alltime favorite song of theirs.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 14:48 (two months ago) Permalink

I might even like the EP more than the first LP, only Operate lets it down a bit, the other 5 tracks are all brilliant and all sound so different to each-other.

Just listening to The Menace again now and still cannot believe how they ruined How He Wrote Elastica Man, why the living fuck would you do that to yourselves?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 15:24 (two months ago) Permalink

why the living fuck would you do that to yourselves?

When it comes to Elastica's career after the first album in general, that is indeed the question!

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 15:29 (two months ago) Permalink

Because I have many other things I should be doing, I've instead spent the last few days making a good version of The Menace.

https://soundcloud.com/james-errington-769931947/the-menace-redux

01 - How He Wrote Elastica Man (6 Track EP, 1999)
02 - Mad Dog God Dam (The Menace, 2000)
03 - The Bitch Don't Work (Single, 2001)
04 - Nothing Stays the Same (6 Track EP, 1999)
05 - Generator (6 Track EP, 1999)
06 - Miami Nice (The Menace, 2000)
07 - Human (1997 Studio Demo)
08 - Bush Baby (B-side, 2000)
09 - KB (6 Track EP, 1999)
10 - Da Da Da (The Menace, 2000)
11 - A Love Like Ours (Radio 1 Session, 1996)
12 - Don't Know Where (Me U & Mew, 2001)
13 - Faking (Demo from Japanese The Menace, 2000)
14 - My Sex (The Menace, 2000)

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 14 April 2019 09:35 (two months ago) Permalink

What changed with "how he wrote" ?

Mark G, Monday, 15 April 2019 07:14 (two months ago) Permalink

Many small changes, the LP version sounds a bit overcooked, but the headline difference is that the EP vocals are 90% MES 10% Elaatica, LP vocals are 30% MES 70% Elastica.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 15 April 2019 07:23 (two months ago) Permalink

Well, that sounds "fair enough", it is their album after all. Otherwise, why call it their new album if it was just an enlarged version of that ep?

Mark G, Monday, 15 April 2019 09:28 (two months ago) Permalink

Of course I can understand it from a psychological point of view, but the point is they made a mediocre album when they had the material for a good one.

One other thing is 'My Sex' is such an obvious album closer, then the two tracks after it sound like unwelcome bonus tracks, that needed fixing more than anything.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 15 April 2019 09:58 (two months ago) Permalink

I think the album is "not as bad as everyone says it is", but also "not as good as it should have been".

There was one of those "Britpop" documentaries which celebrated the rise of all those bands, but laid the blame on the ultimate failure on bad / mediocre bands jumpingon the bandwagon, the huge take-up of such bands by record companies willing to create landfill in the hope that one of them would be a golden fish..

I think Elastica were the architects of their own demise, that and the implication that they weren't 100% invested in the band and were looking towards the exit strategy.

Mark G, Monday, 15 April 2019 11:04 (two months ago) Permalink

Lack of investment in the project, yes. The whole LP has an overwhelming air of "will this do?" - especially on the tracks I cut. The Loz Hardy collaborations (Miami Nice, Bush Baby, My Sex) are for me the really underrated bits, the Donna demos are excellent too, basically the less of the band there the better.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 15 April 2019 11:17 (two months ago) Permalink

I Want You from the 1996 Radio 1 Session always felt like one of the great lost post-debut tracks, maybe just because it felt like a fully-formed actual SONG with verses and a chorus and neat corners and everything.

I do genuinely love The Menace when viewing it as a frayed, sun-bleached, acid-scarred version of the first album - it's much better at creeping dread than bounce though. Your Arse My Place is pretty much worthless; Nothing Stays the Same is completely desolate and all-time gorgeous (in both versions).

technopolis, Monday, 15 April 2019 16:10 (two months ago) Permalink

I loved this band at the time — saw them live several times, had their poster in my dorm room — but I never was crazy about listening to the album. Somehow it didn’t seem to capture their fire in the best way?

The first Franz Ferdinand LP is sort of an analogue from the next decade — I loved the live show, terrific songs, but the album felt flat and I rarely played it.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Monday, 15 April 2019 16:55 (two months ago) Permalink

One of my fave “stage antics” memories is from Lollapalooza ‘95 — Justine theatrically prancing to the edge of the stage and splashing a few drops from her water bottle into the front row (in a parody of “cooling down the crowd”)

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Monday, 15 April 2019 17:07 (two months ago) Permalink

Reading the OP -- I don't get how so many threads in the early years of ILM got started by people who actively dislike the music they're asking about.

billstevejim, Monday, 15 April 2019 17:15 (two months ago) Permalink

One other thing is 'My Sex' is such an obvious album closer, then the two tracks after it sound like unwelcome bonus tracks, that needed fixing more than anything.

They had practice with the first album! "Never Here" is such a cool way to end but then they put the goofy "Vaseline" after it.

Audrey Tautoulogy (Leee), Monday, 15 April 2019 17:45 (two months ago) Permalink

Vaseline = terrific album closer, IMO

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Monday, 15 April 2019 17:57 (two months ago) Permalink

Agreed with both of the above! Two different ways to close an LP, same with The Menace, but worse.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 15 April 2019 17:59 (two months ago) Permalink

Anyway, go listen to my redux The Menace up there ^

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 15 April 2019 18:02 (two months ago) Permalink

"Bar bar bar" another missing song from the aussie "Car Song" single.

Mark G, Monday, 15 April 2019 18:34 (two months ago) Permalink

fwiw the UK album ends with Stutter, Vaseline is track 13, dunno how much input the band had for the US track listing

Colonel Poo, Monday, 15 April 2019 18:47 (two months ago) Permalink

^ Yeah, I was just about to say this - I've always known 'Stutter' as the album closer.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:27 (two months ago) Permalink

Also, the US version has 'See That Animal' on it.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:29 (two months ago) Permalink

"Stutter" is a powerful closer! As it were.

Audrey Tautoulogy (Leee), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:38 (two months ago) Permalink

I didn’t know the UK tracklist was different.

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:48 (two months ago) Permalink


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