The Clientele - Best Band Since The Smiths

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The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths! No discussion is necessary. It's easy to guess what will be posted below and from whom. In your postings, some of you will be wrong and some of you will be right. Those of you whom are wrong will rely on dull puns and ridiculous one-liners, and you'll post just to argue with a subject that you shouldn't even have clicked-on to begin with. Those of you whom are right will use exclamations points and you'll repeat the main idea.

The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths! The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths! The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths! The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths! The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths! The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths! The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths! The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths! The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths! The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths! The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths! The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths!

Bonus points to those that can guess who posted this. I'm a regular contributor to the "board."

Anonymous, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

the clientele is way cool...let's leave it at that

mark, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths!

"Let's leave it at that" ? Ummmmm, no, let's not, but I agree with you about the "way cool" thing.

The Clientele are the best band since The Smiths!

She Loves Music, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Bonus points to those that can guess who posted this.

Alasdair Maclean?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No discussion is necessary.
That is probably why you post in a discussion forum, right? Ok I'll do you the favour. I don't discuss. And write down what I think:

The Clientele are rubbish.

alex in mainhattan, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I love Suburban Light - it does the same thing for me as Manfred Mann's Up the Junction soundtrack. By the way, is it me, or does Alisdair Maclean have an obsession with rain?

Jez, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahahaha, now I not only need to laugh at thee Clientele, now I can laugh at their fans also!!! And who woulda thought arguments would start on DISCUSSION BOARDS eh?

I think the Smiths aren't ALL THAT either.

Sarah, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Love Suburban Light, picked it up a few weeks ago from some recommendations on this board. Great CD! Could it be Tim Gravina?

Poops Mcgee, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think Alasdair MacLean likes the Smiths.

marianna, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I've always said Alasdair was a GRATE BLOKE (hem hem)!

Sarah, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Jez, yeah. I can't keep a straight face when he goes on about the rain again. It's like "Wooo - rain. Atmosphere!".

N., Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Any band that namechecks The Carnival is Over (coincidentally my birthday no.1), get the thumbs-up in my book!

Jez, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It all started when he first heard 'Its Raining Meng'. I WISH.

Sarah, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Could it be Tim Gravina?

I MEANT DIGRAVINA

Poops Mcgee, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Poops, thank you for the name check. :)

I can't take credit for The Smiths/Clientele thread, though I'd almost say I agree with its premise, as long as The Clientele continue down the path highlighted by the Suburban Light collection. I'm not too eloquent this morning, so I hope this next part makes sense… a decent sized group of fans/critics see The Smiths as being among the last of the truly great rock bands, and I frequently find it hard to disagree. (Though I sometimes think a case can be made for The Stone Roses simply on the strength of their debut album, and then there’s My Bloody Valentine) While The Clientele don't seem to have the truly magic energy The Smiths had when they started out, I'm reserving a possible place for them amongst my favorite bands and hoping they continue to release excellent singles/EPs. I'm not sure why some people on ILM have lumped The Clientele in with Belle & Sebastian... it seems too early for a backlash. I’m guessing it’s either not their cup of tea altogether (they can’t give in to quaint charm) or they just haven’t played Suburban Light enough times; I’ll admit that I thought it was near rubbish (like Alex) at first as well, but now it’s one of the most cherished pieces of my CD collection. Still, if The Clientele start passing the mic to every band member and every family member and every distant cousin like B & S, then I'll join the backlash. As of now, I'm happy to have them and I'm enthused by their promise.

I love The Clientele! <-- Using the exclamation point specified in the subject.

Tim DiGravina, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm happy to have them and I'm enthused by their promise

Just you wait -- the third album will be nothing but bad reggae and refried boogie and be produced by Glen Ballard.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

uuuugh.

Graham, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Just you wait -- the third album will be nothing but bad reggae and refried boogie and be produced by Glen Ballard.

<--I hope the italics worked. If not, it's a Ned Raggett quote.

Well, I'll take the bad reggae and refriend boogie as long as the sleeve is pretty. It's too early in the morning for me to deal with a Glen Ballard reference... but I will say this... my breakfast has returned to its plate in a more liquid form.

Tim DiGravina, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Glad to be of service.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i really like the clientele but don't you think we should wait until they put out a few proper albums to see if we should be calling them "best band since The Smiths!"? I mean, a lot of good bands have come and gone since 1987...

g, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like them better than The Smiths. I never liked The Smiths. I come from America, where people aren't like that.

Sterling Clover, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

There are currently about two thousand cholos driving out to Chicago to beat your ass for saying that, Sterling. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

six years pass...

I can't believe this thread has been asleep for 6 years! haven't you people heard God Save The Clientele? it's really really good! "Bookshop Casanova" is some kind of sleepy-eyed disco masterpiece, no? The guitar solo is sooo Santana, duh.

uncannydan, Thursday, 7 August 2008 08:37 (twelve years ago) link

There have been other Clientele threads in the last six years.

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 7 August 2008 08:41 (twelve years ago) link

For instance - God Save The Clientele - The anticipation thread

Scik Mouthy, Thursday, 7 August 2008 08:42 (twelve years ago) link

My mistake, I must have glanced over in the search. Looks like I have some reading to do...

uncannydan, Thursday, 7 August 2008 08:49 (twelve years ago) link

But your underlying point is right: The Clientele are great (and underappreciated). MacLean is also a very good guitarist, I think.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 7 August 2008 11:00 (twelve years ago) link

I don't really think they are underappreciated, considering that certain people follow them around the world on tour as if they were Manchester United or Exeter City.

the pinefox, Thursday, 7 August 2008 11:02 (twelve years ago) link

Not sure that's right... That means that a few people really appreciate them. They should be much bigger than they are, I think.

Keith, Thursday, 7 August 2008 11:06 (twelve years ago) link

i was just going to revive a clientele thread. "strange geometry" is my favorite lp of theirs. the last time i posted on them, "violet hour" had just come out and i was underwhelmed.

btw when did they get a gorgeous violin player?

amateurist, Thursday, 7 August 2008 11:09 (twelve years ago) link

also note that alasdair was once an ilxor.

amateurist, Thursday, 7 August 2008 11:09 (twelve years ago) link

I'd never heard of them until I went through Southall's Best of '07 list on Amazon. I bought it based on that recommendation and yeah, it's a very good album.

nate woolls, Thursday, 7 August 2008 11:11 (twelve years ago) link

Also note that Graham was once an ilxor.

the pinefox, Thursday, 7 August 2008 11:18 (twelve years ago) link

lots of former ilxors... where are they now?...

amateurist, Thursday, 7 August 2008 11:20 (twelve years ago) link

also note that alasdair was once an ilxor.

I remember reading about that on another thread. But wasn't it just one post by him (e.g., a response to another ILX'or commenting on The Clientele)?

The new violin player joined the band just before God Save The Clientele was recorded, I think. And yeah, she is hot.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 7 August 2008 11:22 (twelve years ago) link

as i recall, he was fairly active here for a bit. ca. 2001.

amateurist, Thursday, 7 August 2008 11:32 (twelve years ago) link

No, it wasn't just one post by any means; we also debated Derrida / Paul de Man / Rudolph Gasché once, for instance.

the pinefox, Thursday, 7 August 2008 11:33 (twelve years ago) link

hi pinefox.

amateurist, Thursday, 7 August 2008 11:35 (twelve years ago) link

Their new Acuarela ep has been delayed for a month or so now, I really liked the droney tracks on the previous Adriane ep & hope they've done a few more.

zaxxon25, Thursday, 7 August 2008 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

i have all their early 7"s, I wish they were bigger than they are so I could sell them and buy a house

akm, Thursday, 7 August 2008 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

One of them's on the MySpace page: "Share the Night". It is great, but it's in no way like the Ariadne stuff.

Keith, Thursday, 7 August 2008 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

Good song! But as they become more upbeat and clear, they do lose something essential (that hazy charm of their early records). Still, they've got to grow, and they are still a special band.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 7 August 2008 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I kind of think that they've done that... Really well, but better to change than keep on pumping out the same records.

Keith, Thursday, 7 August 2008 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

Just you wait -- the third album will be nothing but bad reggae and refried boogie and be produced by Glen Ballard.

well thank god this didn't come true!

stephen, Saturday, 9 August 2008 15:47 (twelve years ago) link

nine months pass...

New album tentatively coming out in October. Sounds like it might be their last.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 12 May 2009 07:35 (eleven years ago) link

even corpse management will be at risk (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 15:27 (eleven years ago) link

I'll be bummed if they break-up after the next album. Feels like they had plenty of room to develop their sound, without losing what makes them special and charming.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 12 May 2009 15:36 (eleven years ago) link

The interview makes the record sound extremely promising.

Simon H., Tuesday, 12 May 2009 15:46 (eleven years ago) link

"Sounds like it might be their last."

it's only "might", so ill stay poisitive bout it.

The only Clientele record i return to is Geomatry,really.great piece of music.
also, alsadir is underrated guitarist

Zeno, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

...seeing them love made it clearer, to me at least.

Zeno, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 16:08 (eleven years ago) link

Speaking of the songs in this category... has anyone heard the original version of Six Foot Drop by Clock Strikes Thirteen? I've never heard it and can't find it.

Evan, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:21 (two years ago) link

Not sure how I missed that!

Evan, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:32 (two years ago) link

maybe wasn't uploaded last time you looked? I have that 7", Drive-In Records was quality indie pop.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:34 (two years ago) link

a bit of Dear Prudence in Driving South

niels, Friday, 7 December 2018 18:08 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

The title track from Age of Miracles is such a wonder: the lyrics, the arrangement, the asides, the way the Hindi section calls to the final lines, the 'Wake up in the night time with the silence so close' which might be my favourite of his, the repetition, the languor. Damn.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Saturday, 12 January 2019 13:30 (two years ago) link

That closing minute or so could be straight off Bryter Layter.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Saturday, 12 January 2019 13:33 (two years ago) link

Yeah! That song is unbelievably good.

tylerw, Saturday, 12 January 2019 16:06 (two years ago) link

eight months pass...

Now, the year is turning
And the eeriness comes...

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Saturday, 5 October 2019 20:27 (one year ago) link

The Relict LP getting a vinyl reissue by the looks of it.

Tim, Monday, 14 October 2019 15:22 (one year ago) link

YAY!

Evan, Monday, 14 October 2019 15:27 (one year ago) link

ooh, I see the Bandcamp version of Tomorrow is Again has four more tracks than the CD version!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 14 October 2019 15:50 (one year ago) link

Wow, so I didn't even know this existed. Unsurprisingly amazing on first listen. Thanks ILM.

that's not my post, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 03:20 (one year ago) link

Stoked for this...

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 04:46 (one year ago) link

So what’s the story with The Relict? Lots of overlap in personnel and vibe with The Clientele but a different band led by the guy that dropped out of The Clientele after the first album.

that's not my post, Friday, 18 October 2019 05:43 (one year ago) link

you already know

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 18 October 2019 06:58 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

https://theclientele.bandcamp.com/album/closer

corrs unplugged, Friday, 5 June 2020 09:10 (eight months ago) link

the Relict album seems sure to please any Clientele fan

corrs unplugged, Friday, 5 June 2020 09:11 (eight months ago) link

what's the story w "Closer", standalone or teaser? it's lovely of course

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 5 June 2020 12:57 (eight months ago) link

Today our first new music in a while is released. It's a cover of a beautiful song by Mick Head. Everything it makes will be donated to #BlackLivesMatter. Get it here: https://t.co/NcorJ3Ipuu pic.twitter.com/7hwphQPVuH

— The Clientele (@theclientele) June 5, 2020

groovypanda, Friday, 5 June 2020 13:06 (eight months ago) link

ahhhh. their sound is so distinct I'd never have guessed it was a cover. very cool

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 5 June 2020 13:07 (eight months ago) link

Mick Head seems an obvious candidate for a Clientele cover version

Neil S, Friday, 5 June 2020 13:09 (eight months ago) link

Awesome! I know Alasdair MacLean has spoken of his love for Mick Head in the past, because it's why I bought that Strands album.

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Friday, 5 June 2020 14:38 (eight months ago) link

Not heard any Mick Head before - will check him out

groovypanda, Friday, 5 June 2020 14:57 (eight months ago) link

Have a listen to the Magical World of the Strands

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Friday, 5 June 2020 15:06 (eight months ago) link

Ah thanks.

Had been searching Mick Head on Spotify and drawing a blank

groovypanda, Friday, 5 June 2020 18:09 (eight months ago) link

His 80s work was the Pale Fountains, and in the 90s Shack and the aforementioned Strands album, and then recently he's Michael Head and the Red Elastic Band.

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Friday, 5 June 2020 18:16 (eight months ago) link

It's probably an obvious one but Comedy by Shack is just glorious.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 5 June 2020 18:20 (eight months ago) link

xpost, many thanks for the Magical World of the Strands recommendation. Lovely indeed.

that's not my post, Saturday, 6 June 2020 05:38 (eight months ago) link

not to mention that a new Clientele tune can brighten the worst day

that's not my post, Saturday, 6 June 2020 05:38 (eight months ago) link

Never heard of Michael Head & The Strands before but it’s hitting the spot this morning.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 6 June 2020 16:30 (eight months ago) link

three weeks pass...

hopefully this tweet will embed properly

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On Friday July 3, the crimes we committed in our teens (between 1991-1996) will be available for you to condemn and/or purchase on bandcamp <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/soundofyoungbasingstoke?src=hash&;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#soundofyoungbasingstoke</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/clienteleism?src=hash&;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#clienteleism</a> <a href="https://t.co/McLO25ze4Q";>pic.twitter.com/McLO25ze4Q</a></p>— The Clientele (@theclientele) <a href="

On Friday July 3, the crimes we committed in our teens (between 1991-1996) will be available for you to condemn and/or purchase on bandcamp #soundofyoungbasingstoke #clienteleism pic.twitter.com/McLO25ze4Q

— The Clientele (@theclientele) June 30, 2020

;>June 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js"; charset="utf-8"></script>

that's not my post, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:00 (eight months ago) link

...well maybe not. It's Art Dad will be available on bandcamp.

that's not my post, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:01 (eight months ago) link

nice, wonder if it will be It's Art Dad alone, or they'll tack on the additional Sounds of Young Basingstoke tracks that came with the (I think?) the Alone and Unreal best-of?

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:05 (eight months ago) link

it will be released on july 3. the announcement tags sounds of young basingstoke so i would guess those tracks are included.

that's not my post, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:09 (eight months ago) link

I wish I had sophisticated taste like that when I was a teen.

Evan, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:35 (eight months ago) link

looks like those Young Basingstoke tracks are still available from Merge, so probably just the It's Art Dad ones... which is good, because those are awesome!

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 19:39 (eight months ago) link

two months pass...

FFS. Anyway, it's a beautiful version of the Age of Miracles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUHB-bVUD4s&list=RDHUHB-bVUD4s&index=1

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 25 September 2020 23:53 (five months ago) link

Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUHB-bVUD4s

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Saturday, 26 September 2020 01:20 (five months ago) link

Thank you! Sausage fingers + drunken posting = not a good mix.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 26 September 2020 09:27 (five months ago) link

YT seems to have changed the way URLs of videos are displayed with that "channel" bit added in - think you need to delete everything from the first ampersand onwards in the URL to get them to embed here.

Great version anyway and thanks for sharing

groovypanda, Sunday, 27 September 2020 10:56 (five months ago) link

four months pass...

With some years now since Music for the Age of Miracles... does anyone still rank it as their best? I maintain more decisively that for me it is their worst (which doesn't mean it is bad at all!). To me overall it is full of very busy arrangements garnishing and overcompensating for their least inspired collection of melodies, relatively. As harsh as that sounds I don't mean it to be; I think the album is wonderful, it is just far away from being better than the effortless and dreamy Strange Geometry or Suburban Light era material. Asking because I do believe that all the showy orchestrations and extra dressings are the exact kind of thing that can seduce and excite initially but lose impact with time. Like chips doused with truffle oil.

Evan, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:21 (two weeks ago) link

Having felt various degrees of obsessiveness with their output over the last ~20 years, it certainly was a timely arrival 4 years ago ("this is the year that the monster will come") and was an essential companion through that time.

Since the fog has lifted? I have not spent enough time on Holloway or Vincent St to say for sure.

But I think it still rates for me.

fajita seas, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 03:09 (two weeks ago) link

Rates for me but omg how have 20 years passed.

I can't remember, but I may have discovered The Clientele on ILX.

Ira Einhorn (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 04:18 (two weeks ago) link

I think it's stronger than God Save the Clientele... Falling Asleep, Lunar Days, Everyone You Meet, and the Age of Miracles are some of their best songs

fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 04:27 (two weeks ago) link

My trajectory with Age of Miracles is intense anticipation (new music!), a bit of disappointment in the actual album over first few spins (no way to live up to the anticipation), and now I'd put in the middle of the list. Minotaur would be at the low point for me. But, f. hazel otm, Age of Miracles does have some songs that rank among their best - Lunar Days, Everyone You Meet and Constellations Echo Lanes in particular.

that's not my post, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 05:34 (two weeks ago) link

Some of the arrangements are a little over upholstered and i could live without the yodelling man, but it is wonderful and has the edge on bonfires on the heath for me, so somewhere in the middle? Suburban Daylight gets the Tims listening party treatment on April the 1st, for fans of that kind of thing.

cw, Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:09 (two weeks ago) link

i listened to Age of Miracles last night and I think it's a damn masterpiece! totally beautiful from start to finish.

tylerw, Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:24 (two weeks ago) link

"Some of the arrangements are a little over upholstered and i could live without the yodelling man"

Yes exactly, those two elements indicated to me that they were overthinking things! Personally I look to to them for their effortlessness and those attributes seemed to be at odds with that quality. Also a bit unexpected given they'd reformed as the original trio and were playing shows celebrating the early material in years leading up to it, and the album is the opposite of that hazy-memory sounding minimal ingredients approach of their first couple of albums.

Appreciate everyone's thoughts. At the time I was fantasizing about hearing a "naked" version of the album. Clearly I'd still be very interested in that sort of thing.

Evan, Thursday, 18 February 2021 18:42 (two weeks ago) link


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