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I guessed maybe "One Too Many Salty Swifty and Not Goodbye" wasn't the BEST entry point learning-curve-wise but hey, I'm here and I'm liking it.

...so what should I seek next?

Bob Zemko, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I've never heard a Cecil Taylor alb that wasn't the biz, but then I haven't heard that many of 'em. You rarely seem to find his old recs turning up 2nd hand in places like Ray's Jazz Shop - ppl are holding on to 'em! I really like 'Looking Ahead!', one of his earliest albs; it's got Earl Griffith on vibra-harp, which adds a v. unusual texture to the music, and features the classic composition 'Excursions on a Wobbly Rail' - a young Lou Reed borrowed this title for his college radio show, IIRC. It's abt as approachable - if not 'conventional' - as CT gets.

Anything with Jimmy Lyons on (most underrated sax player ever?) is also worth yr time and effort - 'Nefertiti, The Beautiful One Has Come', an awesome live alb recorded in the early 60s, was reissued by Revenant a few years ago, and 'It Is In The Brewing Luminous', an early 80s small club date w/ Lyons, and Alan Silva on bass, was put out on CD by HatArt a year or so ago. 'Unit Structures', a bigger band line-up w/ Lyons, Silva and Henry Grimes amongst others, is a 1966 Blue Note alb that should be fairly easy to get hold of. From roughly the same period, there's a wicked split alb on Impulse! w/ Roswell Rudd called 'Mixed' that includes tracks from Gil Evans' 'Into The Hot', where Taylor plays alongside Lyons and Archie Shepp. And if you can find it, 'The Jazz Composer's Orchestra' dbl alb features both Taylor and Pharoah Sanders on absolutely blistering form.

I'm totally clueless abt most of Taylor's 70s albs - there shld be a comprehensive reissue prog, goddamit! - and I've yet to dabble in any of his spoken word stuff, although the FMP collab alb w/ Derek Bailey - 'Pleistozaen Mit Wasser' - begins w/ CT burbling and gurgling away before he finally reaches the keyboard. That rec is part of a whole series of collaborative concerts that CT gave in Germany in 1988, each with different groupings of Europe's top free players.

Andrew L, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Solo Cds: Silent tongues. Tree of life.

Cecil taylor unit: It is in the brewing luminous.

The FMP label released 11 CDs (I think) of concerts that were performed in Berlin in '88. You can't buy the boxset but all (bar CD 001) are available. I have several of them and they are all worth getting. There are duos with Derek Bailey, Gunter Sommer, Tony Oxley, Paul Lovens, a trio with evan parker and a cello player (can't remember name). There is a solo set amongst this.

And I still got to hear the duo with han bennik and the 2CD set where he plays (after several days rehersal) with a 17-piece orchestra. I'm sure someone else will fill in the remanider.

It's just the start. Once you're in just watch the bank account dry up.

Julio Desouza, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

thanx all.

re: nefertiti, i picked up a LP for £6 called What's New, on Freedom. As far as I can see it's the same thing. is this true? it's a UK LP. I got the impression that nefertiti was super rare if ever released at all.

tell me about the spoken word stuff

Bob Zemko, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the 'Nefertiti' material has been repackaged under various titles, in single and dbl-length form.

The Leo alb 'Chinampas' is just Cecil reading his poetry, no piano.

Andrew L, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

'tell me about the spoken word stuff'

Album on Leo called cinampas which is taylor on vocals and percussion. No piano. Never seen this BUT from his 'vocals' on the albums I do have then it must all gibberish instead of actual words. So get hold of it.

're: nefertiti, i picked up a LP for £6 called What's New, on Freedom. As far as I can see it's the same thing. is this true? it's a UK LP. I got the impression that nefertiti was super rare if ever released at all.'

Neferetti, 'the beautiful one has come' is a reissue. If it's the same then DAMN YOU. I pay £28 for my double CD (but i wonder whether your LP has all the material).

Julio Desouza, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

chinimpas not cinimpas: i wuv it (tho many do not)

cecil possibly my alltime fave "avant gardist"

mark s, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I like Nefertiti a lot, but the horn player gets tiresome after a while. He is an era behind Cecil. The reissue does have a few extra tracks (the couple at the end of each CD that are of noticeably lower recording quality).

The Hans Bennik duet is very good (I love the name: "Spots, Circles and Fantasy"), not totally dissimilar to the Lovens but louder, more anarchic.

Ben Williams, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

'cecil possibly my alltime fave "avant gardist"'

Yeah, I remeber you wrote an article abt him on the wire (think it had diamanda on the cover).

Since I've just acquired a job that pays me enough (though 'enough' is never enough heh heh) to buy this stuff I'm just going through buying records that are released by 'avant-gardists' so I wouldn't to say who is my favourite but cecil would be near the top.

Julio Desouza, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

'I like Nefertiti a lot, but the horn player gets tiresome after a while. He is an era behind Cecil.'

That's jimmy lyons. I agree but jimmy is also on 'brewing luminous' but here he is much better, it's almost as if he caught up with Cecil. Great stuff.

And I haven't seen the Bennik duo. I must get it. I've heard stuff he's done with brotzmann. It's a riot.

Julio Desouza, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Part of the reason I'm only just getting round to listening to CT is like something Mark wrote in that Wire article, about knowing you'll like him before you've heard a note. I don't know why exactly, maybe it was the hat. So knowing he was a keeper, I dedicated my time to deciding whether less talented people were worth the effort... and now I return, jaded, to what I know. Aah.

Bob Zemko, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

There's a complete CT sessionography here. "Always a Pleasure" is a great septet date from 1993 featuring the redoubtable Tristan Honsinger on cello.

o. nate, Thursday, 21 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i reckon "unit Structures" is the entry-point pick. was for me anyway, i didnt really get it til i heard that 1.

duane, Friday, 22 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

early: Jazz Composers Orchestra is my favourite record, as i've been through one lp and one cd -- Cecil's two cool solos compress the CT idea into well orchestrated mini (for him) displays that get the speed/rate of ideas rush going -- the first of the 2 CT pieces on JCO gets really very clearly audibly about 6+ minutes in -- patiently enjoy this piece boil up and crystallise

or "Student Studies" aka "The Great Paris Concert" (so called on Black Lion), with a bonus Sam Rivers -- or "Conquistador" on Blue Note, really seductive, its "Unit Structures" less complex but sexy sibling

mid: the two New World Records recordings capture that "..swift" band in the studio before they had toured Europe. Since "..swift" is the last gig for the band that included Jacson, you'll have ideas developed from one extreme to the other by the same band within a year long period, a rare oppurtunity to see how CT material develops over the course of a bands run -- usually his recordings are one-off appearances for each line-up

the Leo albums are the least useful of his albums (except for seeing what Leroy Jenkins does)

a good orchestrated by CT is "Sliding Quadrants" on Soul Note -- a useful entry to smaller scaled compositions and a great band quite different to the Jackson stuff

remember the Jackson stuff is most atypical -- no other CT drummer took anything like that approach, so "..swift" is quite an odd-ball, but very good admittedly

later: Oxley/Taylor is my favourite FMP, and Double Holy House is as cruisy as Taylor will get solo but all the FMPs are good.

the double "Alms/ .." ia a bit obvious, but fun. Olu Iwa with Brotzman is also definitely fun as are the FMP trios and 4tets/6tets with Oxley, Parker, Guy and the Honsinger, Gayle et. al.

get them all, then you have a lifetime of speed of sound ploughing to look forward to

George Gosset, Sunday, 24 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"conquistador" bears repeated listenings best for me cos it retains the ellingtonesque easiness. either that or those cheap & cheerful bootlegged off the vinyl cds of "fondation maeght nights" on the defunct jazz view label cos andrew cyrille is storming on that and cecil's mumbling is up as high as the piano in the mix, unlike the rocking "unit structures" where you can barely hear it (v.odd)

bob snoom, Thursday, 28 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

also for some reason i can't stand the william parker /carlos ward / leroy jenkins period stuff or the ct unit / 3 phasis discs.

bob snoom, Thursday, 28 March 2002 01:00 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
Mercy! This "mark s" fellow writes for The Wire? Respect plummeting for that magazine. From what I've seen from his posts, I'd be quite shocked to know that he was capable of stringing together more than a mere sentence, much less writing an in-depth article, much less on an artist the caliber of a Cecil Taylor (nevermind his nauseating attempts at being cute via spelling).

Allison Vega, Thursday, 19 September 2002 05:22 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"Caliber" and "nevermind" in a post concerning others' supposed inability to string together more than a mere sentence (tautological as well!).

Trolls really should learn to be consistent. Or better still, fuck off.

Alison Houston, Thursday, 19 September 2002 06:25 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

b-but korrekt spelling says nothing to me about my life!!

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 19 September 2002 08:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

The questions arise: (1) why is she having a go at you for liking CT; and (2) if you are going to berate someone for being capable only of stringing one sentence together, it might be a good idea to check your own syntax first ("much less an artist the caliber of a Cecil Taylor"????). If that's the ballpark on which you wish to pitch.

WHAT SHE SHOULD HAVE DONE OF COURSE was to berate you for being ABLE to string one sentence together in colourful, vowel-free purlieus, bleeding with camouflage-annihilating oxsyteryxie oxleyTtime howdoesitPHeAL aware of cecily's ergoGnomics unreachBBBBBLE for ham method acKToER like archie shepp har har :-)

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 19 September 2002 08:56 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oi you two Al(l)isons MUD FITE NOW!!!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 19 September 2002 09:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

oh - forgot to mention the solo "silent tongues" record - this first cecil i ever got and still my favourite

bob snoom, Sunday, 22 September 2002 15:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

anyone investing in this "2 ts for a lovely t" box?

bob zemko (bob), Thursday, 26 September 2002 00:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

hehehe I wish i had the money (well, I do) but I can't really. yeasterday a bought a 6 LP box set of sound art. if i go on like this i will surely go broke...are you?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 26 September 2002 09:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

"hehehe.. i wish i had the money (well, i do)"

! i love this !

if i want it bad enough then i'll find the munny. (i'd love to mug someone so i could buy a cecil box set!!) but it seems way overpriced to me, and the prob (or is it?) with cecil is that it's had to get a review where i don't think that it's reflex "well everything he does is genius" one. i know he's a genius godammit!

am i broke? hmm. I've known broke-r supermarket-job student underachievers than me, so i guess i won't complain.

what sound-art box was this then?

bob zemko (bob), Thursday, 26 September 2002 13:12 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i wrote the info below on the last 4 albums you bought thread:

''Henri Chopin's Revue OU: 5 x LPs of sound art from the likes of W. Burroughs, byron gysin, bob cobbing (there's abt 20 artists in total). Beautiful picture discs. If you have 65 quid then go and get this becuz its only a limited edition of 300 and it'll prob run out in a month.
the alternative is a 4 CD box set (material on 5 Lps) with a booklet (this didn't come with the LPs).

On the other hand there is a Henri chopin LP (an extra) with the 5. That doesn't come with the CDs.

I chose more music instaed of more info.''

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 26 September 2002 13:39 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

the cecil box is 100 quid i think. but there is 10 discs (10 quid per disc sounds reasonable).

''"hehehe.. i wish i had the money (well, i do)"
! i love this !''

well. that's the situation I'm in. I'd be happy to buy a 5 disc set (50 quid say) but since that isn't avaialble.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 26 September 2002 13:48 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

i'm with you julio,

the promoters should tell us _now_ whether they're going to do what FMP did and issue them all as singles later anyway -- i figure the artists are above this game show retail business, so hopefully we'll find out the label are as like minded real soon

the i.t. boom, the cd boom, so many improv/azz releases in the last 8 years, have all been a little off-putting -- as were the FMP trio singles like ".. blazons"

george gosset (gegoss), Saturday, 28 September 2002 07:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

well i don't even bother with any contemporary jazz since these guys release so much. i only buy some free improv but again you can never keep up.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 28 September 2002 10:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

five months pass...
Get those later FMP discs as well: 'melancholy' and 'always a pleasure' are phenomenal.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 10 March 2003 10:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

chinampas is indeed brilliant

zemko (bob), Monday, 10 March 2003 12:13 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

chinampas, double holy house and totzil/mummers are all cecil taylor albums that demonstrate the type of musical-poet-speak that has screwed up mark s so badly that the email-touretts style he adopts for word association with ilm will alienate contributors of the callibre of this allison vega chick

i wish there were more CT holy house and totzil/mummers spoken-music albums (and less w.s.burroughs albums)

anyone able to justify 100 quid for the ten album ct/oxley/parker dates ?? (limited edition -- screw that, i've seen 4 or 5 limited editions of the hat/hut items now, except garden, which is deserving too) -- i don't find w.parker very interesting on celebrated/looking fmps

(oh, and i think one too many salty swift pt 2 (5 on disc one) is the best learning curve entry point for ct units)

george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 10 March 2003 12:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Silent Tongues" from way back in the '70s is a good place to start.

I have to admit I don't love Cecil Taylor. In theory I do, he's an incredible technician. As far as what he plays, though, I think there are moments of brilliance, but it seems very European to me...no space...I have no idea what you'd call it.

He's one of those people I need to check out more thoroughly, like Braxton, so the above suggestions are very useful. Anyone care to offer an analysis of what he does that might help me appreciate it more, I'm sure I must be missing some key here...

Jess Hill (jesshill), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Unit Structures, Spring of 2 Blue Js, The Cecil Taylor Unit (Raphe Malik's debut, I believe - worth it for that alone)

roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

''Anyone care to offer an analysis of what he does that might help me appreciate it more, I'm sure I must be missing some key here...''

well what he does has no central key heh...atonal jazz me thinks. for more: go to val vilmer's book on the subject (not too technical but it has a bit of it for sure).

fer chrissakes! he's european!!! come on...he's european and american and african etc etc...its a world music project in his hands.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 10 March 2003 17:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Obviously I usually stay well away from this kind of stuff, but I do like his African Violets.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'd like to put in a word for Nailed, a recording of a 1991 concert I believe, feat Evan Parker, Tony Oxley, and Barry Guy. I think it's great. It contains a roughly 20-min piece and a roughly 50-min piece which achieve some real manic intensity. Parker gets some great sounds.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 10 March 2003 20:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I have enjoyed Unit Structures on a cerebral level, the way I like Braxton; they are both very Mondrian or something, all right angles and straight lines, less earthy than the Ayler/Shepp/Coltrane axis. CT's virtuosity/strength of vision can be intimidating. Recently I have been listening to the track "Spring of 2 Blue Js" (sadly, I can't find the album), and the Tony Oxley/Taylor FMP Leaf Palm Hand. Cecil Taylor's bone marrow, as far as I can tell. I need more. I love how sensitive the improvisors are - Cyrille on the one, and Oxley on the other; they do not overpower CT's own percussive sensibility but nudge it along. I am impressed how CT is in total and constant control of the harmonic fiber, which shifts in subtle ways, over time, even when the playing is frantic. Further suggestions, anything this s/d thread missed?

mcd (mcd), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

For instance, which '88 FMP should I try next considering how much I love the Oxley one? And on "Spring of 2 Blue Js" who is this fellow Sirone? He kills.

mcd (mcd), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I really like the duo with max roach that I heard about 6 months ago, very diff to anything offered by cyrille and oxley (prob my two fave percussionists with taylor, actually).

x-post: sirone=> http://www.mindspring.com/~scala/sirone.htm

I really like 'artistry'.

Don't have all the FMPs but I'd say you should get one without a percussionist next. The one with parker and hosinger was really satisfying.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

he's playing for free at Castle Clinton in Battery Park a week from Thursday. Can't wait (tho I'm assuming it's solo).

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Julio, your suggestions are helpful. Thanks. I didn't realize Sirone was the same guy who played on one of my very favorite jazz records: Marion Brown's Three for Shepp.

Wow, stence, that is very exciting. I will be there.

mcd (mcd), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

it's free, but requires a ticket. They start distributing the tickets at 5PM at Castle Clinton, and the concert starts at 7. Tickets and seats are first-come first-served.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 19 July 2004 18:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The relatively recent Incarnation on FMP is excellent.

I own the 2 Ts For A Lovely T box. It's probably overpriced (especially when exchange rates - which were a lot better when I purchased it than they are now - and shipping to the US are factored in), but I've listened to it a lot, so I feel like I got my money's worth.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 19 July 2004 19:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

wow, that was really excellent. Cecil played in a trio with two white, 40s-ish dudes with ponytails whom I didn't recognize. The bassplayer was kinda bad, actually (dude play a REAL standup bass, not one of these shitty plugin, no body ones - no overtones), though had some okay moments. Drummer was really good. Cecil was ON (as if he's ever off). Since I had never seen him before, I was struck by his sense of melody. I guess, for some reason, whenever I listen to his records I'm more struck by his rhythmic abilities, but yesterday I was really listening more for melodies. And he delivered, quite amazingly, but of course in his own idiom. Nothing seemed out of place. 50 minute first set, two short trio encores, one solo encore.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh man, I wish I still worked downtown. I saw a New Sounds Live show at Castle Clinton with John Zorn, Wadada Leo Smith, Ikue Mori, and some other folks once.

Did Cecil come out in his pajamas and bless the piano before he started playing? He did something like that both times I've seen him.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the only free jazz lp I have left after vanquishing most of my records is Cecil Taylor/Buell Niedlinger "New York City R&B." I wonder what people make of this one. I find it to be really good, and I pretty much can't stand free jazz at this point. Also backing him up on this record is Billy Higgins, Archie Shepp, Steve Lacey, etc.

Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

naw, Cecil was surprisingly informal and not very ritualistic, but it didn't matter. I liked how when he'd end a song, he'd just quit playing, and get up to scribble something in his notebook.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I have no idea who those other dudes were. I thought the drummer was Tony Oxley but that's b/c I've never seen him. Who was the bass player? I thought his slidey style really worked with Cecil's bangin' but I do know what you mean about the sound - really slick & one dimensional. The solo piano piece was especially melodic.

Yeah what was he writing?

mcd (mcd), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

that was definitely not Tony Oxley:

http://www.sofamusic.no/musicians/tony_oxley.jpg

I thought the bassplayer would've been much better with a real standup. Even during his arco parts there didn't seem to be as many overtones as would be produced with a larger resonating body (altho some of the arco stuff kinda nicely sounded like the late Jimmy Lyons' sax stuff!).

Dunno what he was writing. I was hoping he'd recite a poem but no dice.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Cecil, Braxton, Parker and Oxley at the RFH last night:

Oh.
My.
Fucking.
God.

All other music please retire now.

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 9 July 2007 07:39 (ten years ago) Permalink

Jazz Advance is a great entry point.

Hurting 2, Monday, 9 July 2007 13:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

That sounds like an incredible show. (William Parker, I assume?)

Hurting 2, Monday, 9 July 2007 13:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

Are they doing or did they do a record together?

Hurting 2, Monday, 9 July 2007 13:33 (ten years ago) Permalink

I hope the concert was recorded, and if not, that they do make a record (yes, it was William P - with his immense bass, you understand why they call themselves the Feel Trio).

Marcello Carlin, Monday, 9 July 2007 14:01 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

could someone describe CT's "jazz advance" lp for me, and perhaps mull it's merits as a starting point?

cw, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 13:54 (ten years ago) Permalink

"Conquistador" is pretty classic, though admittedly the only one I've heard.

Operator plug, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 16:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Springtime is Cecil Taylor time

Brakhage, Monday, 22 March 2010 21:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

So little interest in out stuff on ILM that when a new post pops up on a thread like this one I automatically half assume the subject has died.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Monday, 22 March 2010 21:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

could someone describe CT's "jazz advance" lp for me, and perhaps mull it's merits as a starting point?

Jazz Advance is, afaik, unlike any other Cecil Taylor records. blues-based jazz and not a "out there" record. it was years ago, but i tried a few others (silent tongues, cecil taylor unit) and JA is the only one i actually enjoy; probably on account of the relative straightforwardness of the music

If you can believe your eyes and ears (outdoor_miner), Monday, 22 March 2010 21:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

i like a lot of "out" music, but I find Cecil (or at least most of the Cecil I've heard) to be kind of overwhelming. That's the idea, I know (or at least part of the idea) ... But it's not something I reach for very often. I certainly appreciate what he's doing. Would love to see him live, actually. The clips I've seen are kind of mind-boggling.

tylerw, Monday, 22 March 2010 21:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm hoping that cecil is the first eternal man

have been jamming that live in the black forest alb that's taken from a radio broadcast, amazing gig from the same era as IT IS IN THE BREWING LUMINOUS

JAZZ ADVANCE is a nice enough alb but it is not that far off monk or herbie nichols or even ellington, but cannot compare to most CT things that came after

Ward Fowler, Monday, 22 March 2010 21:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

Jazz Advance is, afaik, unlike any other Cecil Taylor records.

It's definitely more straightforward than everything he's best known for; the next step after Monk, basically. And if you like that side of him, you should check out his quartet with Archie Shepp, Buell Neidlinger and Denis Charles from the early '60s - albums to hear are Air, Cell Walk for Celeste, New York City R&B and The World of Cecil Taylor, all on the Candid label. They drift in and out of print, but they're findable.

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Monday, 22 March 2010 21:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

amazing footage from youtube, can't think of another piano player who so dances around the keyboard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U01okZHnIQ&feature=related

Ward Fowler, Monday, 22 March 2010 21:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

tbh, i dont love nerfertiti like i do conquistador! or unit structures or looking ahead. i like air above buildings... a lot, and im warming up to 3 phasis... i think that may be all ive heard so far...

69, Monday, 22 March 2010 21:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

was all :-0 when I came across these paragraphs today in Up Above the World (1966) by Paul Bowles:

"Thorny finished his drink and held out his glass for more.

They listened while a plane flew over; when its roar had become only a reverberation passing farther down the valley, Thorny said, "Put on the new Cecil Taylor.""

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 19 July 2012 14:53 (five years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...

Hope he doesn't blow it on coke, like (rumor has it) he did with his MacArthur grant money.

誤訳侮辱, Saturday, 22 June 2013 16:57 (four years ago) Permalink

Hope he does

Call the Cops, Saturday, 22 June 2013 20:14 (four years ago) Permalink

lol! Why the hell not.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Saturday, 22 June 2013 20:18 (four years ago) Permalink

?

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Saturday, 22 June 2013 20:19 (four years ago) Permalink

In all seriousness, though, someone is peppering all Cecil's recent press with allegations of hard drug use. Looks odd, I have to say. Lot of nutters out there.

Call the Cops, Saturday, 22 June 2013 20:20 (four years ago) Permalink

Ahhh - they should let the man be. He's created and played amazing music for so many years. His demons (or angels) are his to handle.

That elusive North American wood-ape (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 22 June 2013 20:22 (four years ago) Permalink

Damn right. It is his business how he spends his last bit of time on this rock and fuck gossip.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Saturday, 22 June 2013 21:38 (four years ago) Permalink

I don't care myself - I'm a huge fan. I actually think the idea of spending a massive grant on drugs is hilarious.

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 23 June 2013 01:48 (four years ago) Permalink

i think if you are 84 you should be allowed to use as many drugs as you want to, and supported by the state while doing so (but only while doing so)

j., Sunday, 23 June 2013 01:50 (four years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Woke up this morning craving a Cecil Taylor Christmas LP

Brakhage, Monday, 16 December 2013 13:43 (four years ago) Permalink

Ha, that would rule.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 16 December 2013 14:37 (four years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Cecil Taylor Class at Swing University, part of Jazz at Lincoln Center:
http://academy.jalc.org/swing-university-youngtaylor/
http://ticketing.jalc.org/auxpkg/detail.aspx?pkg=380&flex=N&nfs=N

I highly recommend anyone in the vicinity checking one or more of these classes out. I had the good fortune to hear Ben Young lecture about Cecil Taylor a number of years ago, and his insights continue to resonate with me.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 18:03 (three years ago) Permalink

you might have a problem with your eardrums

espring (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 18:21 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTwnwbG9YLE

espring (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 18:21 (three years ago) Permalink

lol

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 14 May 2014 18:27 (three years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

"The defendant befriended Mr. Taylor and won his trust," Kenneth Thompson, the district attorney, said in a statement, "which later made it easier for him to allegedly swindle this vulnerable, elderly and great jazz musician."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/12/us-usa-crime-taylor-idUSKBN0GC1GA20140812

Brakhage, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 17:25 (three years ago) Permalink

A Cecil Taylor press conference is not like other press conferences:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/13/nyregion/man-accused-of-stealing-prize-money-from-jazz-genius.html?ref=arts&_r=0

Asked about what receiving the award was like, Mr. Taylor said “it was a thrilling moment,” though he had also received a MacArthur fellowship and a Guggenheim fellowship, and then, suddenly, he was talking about playing a nine-foot Bösendorfer piano in the basement of — here a reporter’s notes got hazy, finishing with the quote, “I had fun.”

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 13 August 2014 15:19 (three years ago) Permalink

That photo of everyone staring at him in total confusion and annoyance is great

Brakhage, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 21:41 (three years ago) Permalink

Looking good!

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 14 August 2014 09:04 (three years ago) Permalink

great photo

this makes me so sad, but cecil seems to be taking it in stride

I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 16 August 2014 08:59 (three years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

Too short, but very affecting piece by an Australian filmmaker doing a documentary on Cecil:
https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2015/april/1427806800/amiel-courtin-wilson/cecil-taylor

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 16 April 2015 17:48 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

AMAZING footage from Paris 1969 with Jimmy Lyons on alto sax, Sam Rivers on tenor sax, and Andrew Cyrille on drums:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4HUWyGTu1I

This was part of a full European tour put together by George Wein and the Newport Jazz Festival, billed as bringing the Festival to Europe - Miles Davis's 1969 band (with Wayne Shorter, Chick Corea, Dave Holland and Jack DeJohnette) was also on the bill. When I interviewed Taylor back in February, he told me he was walking around backstage and overheard Miles telling his (Davis's) band, "Don't listen to him - he's bullshittin'."

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 8 May 2016 13:36 (one year ago) Permalink

The irony of course being that, when Miles' band played in a manner not completely dissimilar to this (for which, see the Rome '69 show), Miles would say to them, "Hey, how come you never play like that when I'm soloing?"

(I imagine they thought, "Goddammit, make up your mind!")

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 8 May 2016 13:45 (one year ago) Permalink

Here's some even more amazing footage from 1974 - including poetry, and Cecil playing bells and the strings of the piano:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkZw7vbcIvY

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 8 May 2016 14:34 (one year ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

dude who bilked him got 3 years in prison and returned 200k with a pledge, who knows of what worth, to pay back the rest

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/05/nyregion/man-who-stole-jazz-pianist-cecil-taylors-prize-money-is-sentenced.html

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 8 January 2017 01:47 (one year ago) Permalink

would seriously wish death upon that type of parasite.

calzino, Sunday, 8 January 2017 01:55 (one year ago) Permalink

C.T. shares your vibe on this q

“Where is he?” Taylor asked reporters of Muir after the proceeding. “Perhaps in the corner, talking to a roach?”

“He’s not a spiritual man. He will get what he deserves,” Taylor added.

though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 8 January 2017 02:07 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Are there any Cecil documentaries (not clips from documentaries) online anywhere? I did run across Imagine the Sound which has a broader free-jazz focus. Would love to see Silent Eye or All the Notes if they're around

Brakhage, Monday, 12 February 2018 21:42 (one week ago) Permalink

I worked on All The Notes in its early stages (editor). Was up on YT for a while. I need to rip my dvd copy. Once I do I'll post here.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 02:38 (one week ago) Permalink

Wow, that's excellent - hey, from what I've seen, Vimeo is the place people put their documentaries when they'd rather monetize through rental; there's a huge selection. That might be the place for you to put it up

I'm not sure but I may be the only person on earth who has listened to all of 2 Ts in one go (yesterday). Towards the end I felt like I was on some sort of mystical sweat lodge mushroom trip

Brakhage, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 17:22 (one week ago) Permalink

Damn, there useta be a cool half-hour doc made for French TV documenting the late 1966 "Student Studies" quartet, but it's apparently taken down from YT in the past few months.

Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 18:51 (one week ago) Permalink

I should've worded that differently. I'll send you a WeTransfer link once ripped. If it's not available on YT or Vimeo that's probably the filmmaker's decision and I'm not gonna ignore that.

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 13 February 2018 18:53 (one week ago) Permalink

Aiet - thanks again

Brakhage, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 17:45 (one week ago) Permalink


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