pale saints guitar sound/tone

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i am interested in creating a similar sound to Graeme Naysmith's guitar from The Pale Saints
http://www.last.fm/music/Pale+Saints

i am using Guitar Rig 2 and garageband to record.

would love any input.

thanks

pram (pram), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 15:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Set your guitar to the "chinlessly twee" setting.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 16:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Actually, I quite like the Pale Saints. But couldn't resist, `cos I've having that type of day.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 16:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Two words: Re Verb.

harmonic generator, haircuts are for losers (kate), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 16:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

He also uses tons and tons of chorus for that watery effect on so many of the tracks

rentboy (rentboy), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 16:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

twee? i thought pale saints were more Industrial. hmmm... :)

actually what i am trying to acheive is a nice melodic, distorted tone. in other words, pushed to the point of subtle feedback, still picking up some nice mids and highs, but with a sharp edgy distortion. kinda like willie nelson.

i can't seem to find the right combination without things getting muddier than i prefer.

*Alex, you city dudes are always bitter. too much emo?

pram (pram), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 17:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I've listened both to Pale Saints and to Willie Nelson and I never once thought the guitar sounded alike. (?!)

You want a solid state amp, bridge pickup selected, really heavy chorus, and distortion set between %50-60.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 20:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Note also: things sound muddy at a lower volume. I have a feeling that when Graeme Naysmith recorded those songs, he was shaking the walls. Playing in your living room is always going to sound different.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 20:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

johnny,

yeah, well the willie nelson thing was sarcasm. as was the industrial comment. i was fu*cking with alex of NYC :) sorry. thanks for the input. i actually use Guitar Rig, and listen to the sound through decent studio headphones. compared to similar types of music, listening on same headphones, i get frustrated. i will give your comments a try though.

thanks.

pram (pram), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 23:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

(posting this here as it's the first (only) result for 'pale saints')

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pale-Saints-very-rare-demo-cassette-4AD-charity-auction-/200589292821

ian auctioning off the copy of the Barging demos that the band sent to themselves for copyright purposes at the same time they sent them to 4ad. proceeds to japan earthquake fund.

koogs, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 09:41 (six years ago) Permalink

They had so many amazing guitar sounds. The first thing that came to mind was "Baby Maker".

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 18:12 (six years ago) Permalink

xp: does that work, legally?

i have a hot bagel waiting for me in my bed so ill say this: (kkvgz), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 19:05 (six years ago) Permalink

(it's the cheapest / easiest way that people recommend. send it registered mail, don't open it on arrival, then at least the post office has a record of something being sent. you should probably get something notarised though)

koogs, Wednesday, 23 March 2011 18:50 (six years ago) Permalink

two years pass...
one year passes...

is this the only pale saints thread on ilm? and what a stupid thread this is as if blind people were talking about the sun. an amazing band with a unique otherworldly feel. "in ribbons" has aged astonishingly well. the only other bands i can think of right now who have created a similar heavenly sound are the cocteau twins and mbv.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 7 August 2015 20:18 (two years ago) Permalink

agreed, "In Ribbons" might be my favorite album of that era. tho I think the rhythm section keeps the sound a little ways from heavenly.

geoffreyess, Saturday, 8 August 2015 01:18 (two years ago) Permalink

whooo, Pale Saints how ironic.

i have not listened to this band in forever, i hung out at my friends house on Tuesday and he was playing drums. he started playing songs from The Comforts of Madness and i was blown away. they sounded so good and the drummer is out of his mind on some of the tracks. that and the Mrs. Dolphin comp were fucking great. didn't like In Ribbons as much at the time as Ian Masters sort of took a back seat, they were his band and it showed on those early cuts.

Bee OK, Saturday, 8 August 2015 02:09 (two years ago) Permalink

i am just listening to "comforts of madness" for the first time. the drums are pretty impressive, often extremely fast and mixed into the foreground, you are absolutely right. but pale saints - to me at least - are not about drums. they haven't yet found their magic sound on "comforts". and it also lacks in the tunes. the band is still on the search. on "in ribbons" they have reached their peak, they have created a masterpiece. when i first listened to it 23 years ago i found ian masters voice a little thin but in hindsight it fits perfectly to the rather subdued, introspective music. it is the kind of backgroundish music you get totally hooked to when you hear it first. a reason might also be that it is pretty quiet music which demands from the listener to open up his ears if he wants to hear something.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 8 August 2015 20:03 (two years ago) Permalink

My favorite was always "flesh balloon". A couple of their best songs (best-sounding, at least), a pleasantly baggy instrumental and that gorgeous Nancy Sinatra cover.

Plasmon, Sunday, 9 August 2015 05:49 (two years ago) Permalink

> they were his band and it showed on those early cuts.

i think they were more of a symbiosis - judging by how the band sounded after he'd left and how he sounded on his later works (spoonfed hybrid, esp summer, sore and steel, friendly science...). they were a lot more ordinary, he was maybe too esoteric.

i prefer in ribbons as an lp over comforts despite comforts having better songs. ribbons is more mixed, and the way comforts is all sequed together makes it awkward in these days of shuffle. (it's also very quiet - it's been normalised as one long track and there's a loud bass note on one of the tracks that just means everything else is too quiet).

koogs, Sunday, 9 August 2015 11:05 (two years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

I find nothing particularly original or unique about PS but they are very enjoyable!

calstars, Sunday, 6 September 2015 03:01 (two years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Pale Saints never got the proper respect, they were one of the best from the era. Moka brought this up in her thread and got me to remember this. love the drums, with that wonderful bass line and then add the guitar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lly7ATDItdQ

Bee OK, Sunday, 25 June 2017 05:04 (five months ago) Permalink

in ribbons is a goddam masterpiece, comforts of madness is p good too

brimstead, Monday, 26 June 2017 23:11 (five months ago) Permalink

madness >>> ribbons

attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 12:31 (five months ago) Permalink

i even liked their third and last album Slow Buildings even though their heart and soul member Ian Masters quit. Meriel Barham (also of Lush) took over vocals but she was around so it didn't feel like a replacement. they went for a more pop sound and it sort of worked.

Bee OK, Thursday, 29 June 2017 00:33 (five months ago) Permalink

It was nice, but it wasn't Pale Saints to me.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 29 June 2017 01:57 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

this band is so fucking criminally underrated, this is inspiring me to run the Shoegazer poll very soon.

Sea of Sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syIiTesQnJU

Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 02:48 (four months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjAXcqZ6YRc

Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 02:50 (four months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOn4gMzwdw0

Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 02:56 (four months ago) Permalink

that drumming is for the gods!

Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:01 (four months ago) Permalink

then they turned into this, which i happen to also love:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk4FF5huCo4

Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:01 (four months ago) Permalink

A Thousand Stars Burst Open
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9vOko4Yii8

Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:06 (four months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUNGtgXK77w

Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:14 (four months ago) Permalink

i will close with this (again the drumming):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyD9V34AApc

Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:27 (four months ago) Permalink

what a band, i haven't listen to them like this in a very long time. they did not disappoint in the least. ILM just happened to be the forum tonight.

Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:28 (four months ago) Permalink

now i want to hear Moose.

Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 03:28 (four months ago) Permalink

drinking again tonight and went off on the drumming yet again but the Pale Saints are all about the guitar sound.

Bee OK, Saturday, 12 August 2017 04:00 (four months ago) Permalink

Fantastic band, really liked that Dum Dum Girls cover. Ian Masters post-Pale Saints work is well worth your time as well.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 12 August 2017 13:58 (four months ago) Permalink

Time Thief is one of my favourite shoegaze songs. Pale Saints should do a reunion tour every other shoegaze band has by now. See See Rider can support them

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 12 August 2017 19:12 (four months ago) Permalink


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