S/D -- The Numero Group

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The Numero Group is a reissue label. All their albums are labeled sequentially, e.g., "Numero 001," "Numero 002," and so on. I've bought a few of their albums, which I thought were fantastic (a compilation of Belize artists, a reissue of Antena's early 1980s album, "Camino del Sol," and a compilation of songs from a small soul label operating out of Liberty City, Miami, in the late 1960s), but I was a bit disappointed with Numero 008/Wayfaring Strangers.

Which of the label's releases do you recommend? Which do you dislike?

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 2 June 2006 22:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I like the Miami Deep City comp. it's fucked-up; the whole sound is just overloaded and completely insane. it's the earliest Clarence Reid and Betty Wright stuff I know of. definitely worth it, if you're into soul music.

I liked "Wayfaring Strangers" myself. esp. the Caroline Peyton song, and the one about the ocean told from the ocean's point of view. they're great packages, too.

I just got the new Detroit comp (the Big Mack label) but I haven't had time to digest. haven't heard the early comps.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 3 June 2006 00:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

is there even a destroy with the numero group? its all fucking incredible.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 3 June 2006 02:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yellow Pills: Prefill is totally unfuckwithable. Many, many power-pop gems spread over 2 discs.

hot doorknobs (hot doorknobs), Saturday, 3 June 2006 21:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yellow pills and antena are outta control-- soul comps are great, too

s blaze (conrad), Saturday, 3 June 2006 22:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I like some of the releases better than others, but I think that all of their releases are interesting and the packaging and documentation are really top notch. My favorites are the Antena album (which I think I listened to non-stop the week I bought it) and the Cult Cargo: Disco Connection 12".

William Selman (William Selman), Saturday, 3 June 2006 23:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

There is earlier clarence reid material on dade, wand-scepter and tayster -- but that is the first betty wright stuff.

Uncle Tom (Uncle Tom), Sunday, 4 June 2006 16:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm starting to warm to "Wayfaring Strangers,'' in particular Ginny Reilly's song ''Wildman.'' For a song featuring only a single, gently strummed guitar and vocals, it sounds surprisingly like Rumors-era Fleetwood Mac. But it's the lyrics and vocal delivery that make it special for me. Reilly's voice is so fragile and vulnerable, and perfect for these lyrics:

Then the Wildman
Called the Lady's hand
For there came a day
When he could not wait
He said, ''Pretty woman,
Don't let it go.
This is magic
We'll never know again.''
She said, ''I won't let you in.''
I'm not loving anyone these days
And I can't take your crazy ways.
So the time passed
And the Lady grew sad.
For she had not planned
To love the Wildman.

Delivered with even a hint of camp or irony, these lyrics -- and the song -- would crumble. But Reilly plays it straight, putting the song over perfectly. I still think it's a hit-or-miss compilation, but I'm beginning to appreciate its considerable charm.

It's really amazing to me that the artists this label unearths didn't find a bigger audience (or any audience) in their day. Maybe 20 years from now, the Numero Group will be re-releasing Iron & Wine, Howe Gelb and Low.

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 4 June 2006 23:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Just got the brand new one (009) Eccentric Soul: The Big Mack Label... I admit i pick these up mainly because I love the packaging, and the numbering just puts hooks into those completist synapses I often get. Thankfully, the releases happen to be (mostly) great too... (Wayfaring Strangers is one of their better ones, that said.)

((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Monday, 5 June 2006 06:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what's also great about Numero is how variable it all is--the soul comps aren't like "great" music, a lot of it. The Deep City one, that drummer is fucking terrible, but he's great. a lot of it is genre pushed to some new wall, I find it confounding to listen to. definitely the case with the new one, Big Mack. the one about going to Haight Street and doing it "like the hippies" do is pretty amazing.

On Wayfaring, Caroline Peyton is amazing. I did a piece on her and this other lady, both of whom ended up in Nashville, for the Scene a couple months ago. You can find it on nashscene.com, it's called "Who Knows Where the Time Goes," I think, I don't have the link handy. Anyway, Peyton is seriously talented, and thriving--she did legit Broadway stuff and sang in Disney animated movies, and has done well. She lives in Emmylou Harris' old house, in Nashville. Fascinating to talk to, and I actually got her to lend me her "Mock Up" LP from '72, from which "Engram" on Wayfaring is drawn.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 5 June 2006 18:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Edd s: Why do you think the drummer on the Deep City compilation is terrible? Just curious.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 5 June 2006 20:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Why do you think the drummer on the Deep City compilation is terrible? Just curious.

He's always playing way ahead of the beat; he's floppy and his time flops all over the place, I guess; it's indefinite and that's the one thing a drummer isn't (usually) supposed to be. I guess it's the same guy on most of it? Plus, that band, they were originaly a marching band, and that shows as well. It doesn't strike me as small-group drumming, fundamentally.

But altho he's not a good drummer, he's really interesting. I mean I'm not hung up on all that too much--the music works, most of it. It's weird music from the drumming on up; so maybe he's a *great* drummer and realized how strange the whole project was and played accordingly.

I think I really like this Big Mack comp, too.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 01:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

too bad about the drumming... imagine all the lost royalties from the beatheads who passed on i...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 02:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

there's some good shit to sample on Big Mack!

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 18:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I know.. I was funnin' myself on the fake defense of beatheads (being one myself)

((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 19:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

edd s: Funny you should say that the drummer's failings can be forgiven because the music works so well. That's basically what Willie Clarke, one of the founders of the Deep City label, said in a recent interview in the Miami New Times, conducted shortly after the Deep City album was released. Clarke said: "Perfection sometimes will kill feel ... [and] what we had at Deep City was mostly feel."

The New Times article is available online, at

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/Issues/2006-02-16/music/music2.html

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 8 June 2006 17:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

right, that Miami NT piece is a good one, written by my fellow scribe Andy Beta. I was happy to have gotten a review of Deep City into the pages of No Depression, just to get that mag's funk-factor in the red for a change...

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 8 June 2006 17:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

edd s:

When you mentioned that you're a music writer, it reminded me of the sheer number of really talented music critics that post on ILM. I've seen contributors who appear to be from all the major online music websites, e.g., Pitchfork, Stylus, Popmatters, and major print publications, e.g., Village Voice, No Depression. None of this would matter, of course, if the posts were all snippy and lacked content, but I've been amazed by the thoughtfulness of the posts and of the forum's contributors (not that anyone would care about my opinion on the subject). How did you all find this board?

-- Daniel (n.1)

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(n.1) I should receive the Big Mack album over the next day or so.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 8 June 2006 17:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...
I've missed the last three Numero Group releases (Catherine Howe's What A Beautiful Place, Eccentric Soul: Twinight's Lunar Rotation, Cult Cargo: Grand Bahama Goombay). Anyone know if there's any good?

Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 13 May 2007 03:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

i love this label, and the catherine howe in particular is one of my favorite reissues of the year.
Twilight's Lunar Rotation is ok, but it could've easily been one disc rather than 2.
I just got the Goombay album, sounds pretty good from what I've heard, some songs are far better than others, but its not as spotty as the Lunar Rotation album, which is one of the only numero group releases I'd say maybe skip.

hurdy girdle, Sunday, 13 May 2007 07:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

from what i've heard of the howe record it just sounds like something you'd pay $2 for as an LP and not really be that excited about.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Sunday, 13 May 2007 07:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Winight's Lunar Rotation is really good, for the most part (the impaled falsettoes etc are mostly at the beginning) You can still hear one of the better tracks, read a review of it and the whole set:
http://www.paperthinwalls.com/singlefile/item?id=688

dow, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 17:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

Twilight's Lunar Rotation is ok, but it could've easily been one disc rather than 2.

Obviously you mean Twinight, no worries there... Thing is, Kent had already done a Twinight comp so it was imperative that this be as exhaustive as possible. It is a superb Chicago soul music collection for the real Shy collector. I wish I had the product itself but their discs are too dang expensive. I know they are nice etc etc but I just aint got that kinda scratch. (Plus I own that Kent rcd already so I wasn't about to buy all them trx again).

Big to the southside anyway...

Saxby D. Elder, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

They have two new discs either out now or on the way: Eccentric Soul: The Outskirts of Deep City, which is a follow-up to the fantastic Deep City label and Wayfaring Strangers: Guitar Soli.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

Twilight's Lunar Rotation is ok, but it could've easily been one disc rather than 2.

Obviously you mean Twinight, no worries there... Thing is, Kent had already done a Twinight comp so it was imperative that this be as exhaustive as possible. It is a superb Chicago soul music collection for the real Shy collector. I wish I had the product itself but their discs are too dang expensive. I know they are nice etc etc but I just aint got that kinda scratch. (Plus I own that Kent rcd already so I wasn't about to buy all them trx again).

If you think you got it all on the Kent CD or that this could have been one disc, you're missing out. The booklet alone is worth the 25 bucks. Have you seen the photos? The Kent booklet had like three, this thing's got like 30. I mean, who else was going to track down the Mystiques?

Pick up those Twinight 45s if you get a chance. Can't imagine they'll be around long.

VG++, Thursday, 13 December 2007 03:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

ok, you talked me into it!

Saxby D. Elder, Thursday, 13 December 2007 03:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

(I did actually mean the Numero Group thing was a great collection, not the as-usual raggedy-ass Kent one. All I meant is I hadn't sprung for the actual CDs yet.)

Saxby D. Elder, Thursday, 13 December 2007 03:48 (nine years ago) Permalink

Now we just need a Mar-V-Lus comp ... and make sure it includes Von Freeman's 45 ! my copy is sorta crackly.

Stormy Davis, Thursday, 13 December 2007 03:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Anyone heard the new one yet? I got it this week (I'm on The Numero Group's annual plan). So far, v. good (on limited, partial spins). Not sure it's as gripping as some of the label's prior releases, but they're all so solid that this isn't much of a criticism.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 5 March 2008 23:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

Very much hooked on the Jackie Stoudamire tracks.

Andy K, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 23:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

Stoudemire -- excuse me.

Andy K, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 23:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

I've been enjoying the Guitar Soli comp (vol. 2 of Wayfaring Strangers, I guess) -- some wild Fahey/Kottke/Etc kinda dudes on there. A cool glimpse into a weird little subculture of musicians, great liners, packaging, the whole shebang. I've always eyed the soul comps on Numero, but haven't made the plunge just yet. what's the one to start with?

tylerw, Thursday, 6 March 2008 00:09 (nine years ago) Permalink

I say the Eccentric Soul: Deep City Label disc is the place to start.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 6 March 2008 00:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

revive

moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 22 April 2008 22:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

nobody?

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 18:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hah I still haven't heard anything (and their packaging still bugs me.)

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 18:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

what would you like us to say?

x-post

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 18:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

"(and their packaging still bugs me.)"

you must be talking about CDs. cuz the vinyl packages are a fetishist's dream.

guitar soli double vinyl is sooooooo beautiful. and an amazing collection.

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 18:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

I am talking about the CDs. Everything is white with a grainy Jandek pic on the front.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 18:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

I enjoy the soul stuff, etc, but I can live happily with just the Antena.

matinee, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 18:46 (nine years ago) Permalink

for real? weird. they put such care into the vinyl. the design of those soul comps should be winning awards.

x-post

scott seward, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 18:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

they went cardboard and ink starting with #18. Not sure if this is just an interruption or a new paradigm.

Mackro Mackro, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 19:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

scott, i would like you to SEARCH and DESTROY

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 19:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://i31.tinypic.com/ao0qxw.jpg

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 28 April 2008 02:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

I love this label

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 28 April 2008 02:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

also http://i31.tinypic.com/ao0qxw.jpg

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 28 April 2008 02:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

not super-impressed w/ "wayfaring stranger: ladies of the canyon". i'm really enjoying the "bearded ladies" comp on finders keepers much more (although i guess that comps not as historically specific).

the two "cult cargo" comps are pretty awesome, even though i expected them to be much much more tropical and much less US-oriented.

i've only heard a few of the eccentric soul volumes. "kid soul" is pretty good but i don't think it really keeps up over the whole disk. but "capsoul" and "outskirts of deep city" are really fantastic.

very interested in hearing the "bandit", "big mack" and "twinight" volumes.

moonship journey to baja, Monday, 28 April 2008 04:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

If you liked Outskirts Of Deep City, you should definitely consider the prior disc, The Deep City Label. It has even stronger material, especially from a group called The Moovers (e.g., Someone To Fulfill My Needs and Darlin I'll Go).

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 April 2008 04:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

Curt1s, those promo pictures you posted above are for which Numero disc? I don't recognize them (and I think I have all but 3 of the label's discs).

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 28 April 2008 04:23 (nine years ago) Permalink

the early years of Husker Du is not why people like Husker Du
know what you mean, but this early Du is the period I'm least familiar with, so I think it'll be interesting to do a deep dive here ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 14:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ordered

tyler u gotta check out Everything Falls Apart especially, that record is killer

sleeve, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 14:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

As long as Greg Ginn is being kept alive by his cat menagerie, this may be as good as it gets.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:21 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Form what I gather second or third hand (Mpls not a very big town) we should be amazed we are even getting this.

The other Katzmann Land Speed Record tape is something I have heard abt for like 25 yrs, can't wait to finally here it.

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 14:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp i've heard it, just haven't really given it a lot of time compared to the SST jams.

Ginn as punk supervillain still bums me out.

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Also the personalities of this band & their relationship are...complex

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ginn as punk supervillain still bums me out.

Weed is a helluva drug

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

sets like this don't really get any amazon uk distribution

I would be really REALLY surprised if this isn't available via amazon uk

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

tyler u gotta check out Everything Falls Apart especially, that record is killer

yep, that whole burma-meets-keith levene sound they had, it's great

plp will eat itself (NickB), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i feel like i learned a lot about early HD from reading Bob's book -- imagining Bob and Grant meeting and becoming friends truly warms my heart and gives me hope for humanity in spite of how their relationship has turned out. it seemed like the kind of intense friendship that doesn't happen every day.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

a hell of a lot of work went in to make even this happen

and all legal avenues to rescue the later stuff from Ginn

Also the personalities of this band & their relationship are...complex

― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, September 5, 2017 10:03 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and let's just say a certain member is in many many ways less motivated to make stuff like this happen for fairly obvious reasons

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

personally I think this early period will be more fascinating and contain more surprises than a later set

I think there's more of substance that hasn't been heard

Very exciting, and yet, the early years of Husker Du is not why people like Husker Du.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:10 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think Everything Falls Apart is as good as anything they ever did and better than some of the later albums (IMO)

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

agreed, this release is essential and I expect it to redefine how people see these early years

sleeve, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I think there are some people that think Sorry Ma is the peak of the Replacements, too. But I don't think Everything is better than any subsequent HD record save maybe Candy Apple Grey on a bad day.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Well, we just have different tastes in Husker Du I guess. I also very much love Stink (even moreso) and Sorry Ma.

If there are people who like say Don't Tell a Soul or All Shook Down more than Sorry Ma, which I'm sure there are, we just value dif things abt the band.

I think because their mature period was so much better than most hardcore bands people actually underrate HD as a hardcore band.

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:45 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Now that they're redoing the CD model to be like 2,000 copies each, should I expect Rough Trade to carry these, or do I have to do mail-order?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp Stink is totally the best Replacements record in my world

sleeve, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

sorry ma is my favorite
i went to look for my everything falls apart cd to listen to in the car only to find a cruel joke i apparently played on myself the last time i went down this stretch of memory lane: the HD cd had been replaced by Let It Be
lol

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the ol' minnesota shuffle

is that really right about them just doing 2,000 of the CD sets? Yow, I better get mine. one of the best things about numero is that the CD sets are so nicely priced.

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

extra 7" is essential btw

sleeve, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, I'm basically vinyl for the proper numbers, CD for the 200 series

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Everything Falls Apart is incredible, but I agree, this is not the boxset or reissue that will expose Hüsker Dü to new generations like they deserve. Hearing Flip Your Wig at 19 for the first time was a revelation - I was a massive Nirvana & Green Day fan, how had no one told me about this amazing power pop hardcore record?????

any Mpls heads wanna dish some dirt on why the above scenario is unlikely to happen?

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

You mean more reissues? I think that can be broken down to:

1) Bob is doing really well, musically and financially, and doesn't need the aggravation.
2) No one in the band has stayed on particularly good terms.
3) Label woes.

Anyway, I like early Huskers just fine, for what it is, which is generally good. But I think they really hit their highs a couple of years later. That's not a terribly controversial opinion, I don't think. I listen to the early stuff for aaaaargh, the later stuff for ahhhhhhhh!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

not really dirt basically, worked w/same lawyers who had worked w/other SST acts.

in some way that was a technicality and not explained, somehow even in the realm of shitty unfair SST contracts, the Huskers have a worse contract than, for ex., Dino or Meat Puppets or ppl who have been able to wrest control from Ginn

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I live in eternal hope that one day there'll be a Slovenly box, but I can't imagine anyone ever lawyering-up over that :(

plp will eat itself (NickB), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I live in eternal hope that one day there'll be a Slovenly box, but I can't imagine anyone ever lawyering-up over that :(

Oh me too. Didn't someone else here say Tom Watson has been working on it for years?

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Well, it helps that Dino, Puppets, even Sonic Youth were able to get their SST stuff back because they did so at the height of the '90s alt-rock boom, when they all had resources, when their visibility was at a premium, when they weren't, you know, broken up. HD was one of the first indie bands to sign to a major, but they broke up before they could reap those benefits. It's somewhat ironic that when Bob had his biggest success piggybacking on the '90s boom it wasn't on WB but on Ryko!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 20:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I think there are some people that think Sorry Ma is the peak of the Replacements

Definitely my second favourite, after Let It Be. Tim/Pleased have lots of filler imo.

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 09:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Puppets didn't get their albums back until late 90s, and that was via Ryko.

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 09:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, but this was still more or less right after their commercial success on a major, right? I assume it took major label money/lawyers to extract the catalog. I mean, it can't be a coincidence that everything thinks Ginn is a dick, and SST trouble, and yet pretty much every single band *but* Husker Du has eventually escaped it grasp/wrath, save the Minutemen, and they seem fine stuck there.

If I haven't cleared it up, I love Sorry Ma - stuff from that album was a highlight of the reunion shows, iirc - but if that album was the end of the Mats they would just be a lil cult thing. Hit or miss or full of filler, it's the next few that made the band's legacy. That's what I meant re: HD. The Early Hardcore Years have a lot to love, but LSR was basically the end of the beginning before the group came out of its pupa. Again, love the hardcore stuff fine, but Metal Circus and beyond was (for me) essentially life changing.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 11:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ok. Now that your official position is on record is it ok if we are excited about this?

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 11:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

They could reissue xeroxed Husker Du show flyers and I would be excited. They have been at times my favorite band.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 12:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

There are other bands that have SST problems iirc. The Stains, Saccharine Trust. The Dicks' Kill From The Heart master tapes were lost, but Alternative Tentacles managed to do a reissue from MRR's copy of the LP.

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 12:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The Pups' reissues were five or so years after MTV Unplugged, and I don't think they were on London anymore at that point (or even a band, really). I remember hearing a story back then that they won access to heir tapes because Ginn erroneously sued them, and lost the case, and in doing so lost ownership of their tapes, but I kind of think that was just hearsay.

Gina/SST is such a mess. When I did my Black Flag book a few years back, it was near-impossible to get people to talk on record about his business activities. He's litigious, for sure.

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 12:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Keith Morris has some things to say about that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=RkHomVPQNU4

sleeve, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Hahahaha

Keith gave me some of the best quotes on Ginn, especially about the failed Ginn-led Flag reunion circa Rollins' West Memphis Three album.

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The Pups' reissues were five or so years after MTV Unplugged, and I don't think they were on London anymore at that point (or even a band, really)

They still owed a record to London, or presumably must have, since Curt's band at the time changed their name to the Meat Puppets to release Golden Lies (and the You Love Me EP beforehand). This was just after the reissues, which were handled by Derrick way more than Curt (Cris was in the midst of his troubles at this stage).

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Keith talked so much shit about Ginn from stage when I saw Flag, hilarious

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Anyone else here who ordered the HD set still waiting on email confirmation? I ordered two days ago, and they look my money (my banks says so) but all I have is an order number via the website's account section - the actual item field is empty, and there's no download available (other say they've got theirs?). I've asked their Twitter but responses to others have been... terse. Doesn't give me a lot of confidence, even taking into account they're a small operation.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

no email confirmation yet but this happened with their CD sale as well, and the traffic broke the website for a little while. wait and see, I guess? not ideal, I know.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i ordered it last night and got an email

call all destroyer, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Very excited for this. Especially the alternate Land Speed Record -- it drives me nuts that on CD everything is smooshed together onto 2 tracks. And a better performance and recording! I've had a decent reissue of Everything Comes Apart from the 90s that sounds better than most of the SST stuff. Still hold out hope that they'll rescue those SST albums.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp well dammit now I'm a teensy bit concerned

sleeve, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Me too. Did they take your money as well?

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

probably, haven't checked. also not sure if the DL works yet, I'll try at home later.

I am comforted by the fact that there are order numbers in my account, though.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

No email here as well and, like you said, same for the sale. It's in the system, I'm sure we're fine (went for the silver, can't wait to get this. hope that Terry K. gets his due in the booklet).

by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Went for the CDs with the 7" here (I'm sure the vinyl set is gorgeous but I couldn't justify it on aesthetic grounds alone). Hope they get things sorted over the next few days.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the vinyl is sold out right? how many copies did they press?

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Just the silver vinyl. Black vinyl still up on the site and white vinyl going to retail

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:41 (two weeks ago) Permalink

there were 500 silver sets iirc

sleeve, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

gotcha. ha, that's awesome they pressed silver vinyl - it's so hard to describe but i always thought Bob's guitar sound was "silvery" - something about the stereo splitting & combination of the MXR distortion & using 2 harmonizers with one pitched flat & the other pitched sharp, creating that beautiful natural chorus sound.

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink


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