If you actively dislike Creedence Clearwater Revival, then I can never respect anything you have to say about anything.

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I believe this with my entire soul.

electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Friday, 2 June 2006 04:16 (fourteen years ago) link

seconded.

Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Friday, 2 June 2006 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Idiots.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 04:23 (fourteen years ago) link

does anyone really actively hate them??? ive never heard of this

karri miback (cruisy), Friday, 2 June 2006 04:23 (fourteen years ago) link

i haven't yet. this is a hypothetical creature, as far as my actual experience is concerned.

electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Friday, 2 June 2006 04:28 (fourteen years ago) link

do i have to repost that Other Music Howlin' Rain review?

jäxøñ (jaxon), Friday, 2 June 2006 05:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Howlin' Rain record release this saturday at the hemlock (i'm outta town).

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 2 June 2006 05:05 (fourteen years ago) link

does other music not like CCR?

electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Friday, 2 June 2006 05:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Drawing heavily from a much vilified era of American rock, circa 1969-1974, Howlin Rain reek of early Grateful Dead, Allman Bros, CCR, Crazy Horse...

Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Friday, 2 June 2006 05:18 (fourteen years ago) link

banned =

New (Old) Warehouse Decree: EVERY FRIDAY is CREEDENCE FRIDAY

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 2 June 2006 05:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Howlin' Rain record release this saturday at the hemlock (i'm outta town).

stevie, you wouldn't per chance be in LA this weekend? because i will be.

jäxøñ (jaxon), Friday, 2 June 2006 05:58 (fourteen years ago) link

also, Marmotdeth, are you a noize dude in sheeps clothing.

jäxøñ (jaxon), Friday, 2 June 2006 05:59 (fourteen years ago) link

what if, like me, you love creedence clearwater revival but generally has little or no use for the roots-rock/alt-country that they inspired?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:12 (fourteen years ago) link

i saw fogerty play about 8 years ago or whenever that album came out (the album was ok, so-so). and we were all wondering, you know, would he do much creedence, or just a little, would he be pushing the new stuff hard or whatever...and he came out and just bam-bam-bam-bam-bam-bam, did like 7 straight solid gold-platinum creedence numbers in a row, and sounded GREAT, and then we were just his to do with as he pleased. but even then he just threw in a new song or two and then bam-bam-bam-bam-bam, more more more. one of the greatest shows i've ever seen.

xpost: why's it matter what he inspired? and anyway didn't he inspire, like, bob seger and john cougar more than he inspired the derailers?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I am a marmot in deth's clothing.
xx-post

Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:20 (fourteen years ago) link

it doesn't really matter THAT much to me -- it was a question for the thread creator.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Or I am deth in marmot's clothing, tke your pick. Eisbar what bands in particular do you mean? Alt-country always makes me think Uncle Tupelo and I never got into them and their ilk.

Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:31 (fourteen years ago) link

ok

Arnar Eggert Thoroddsen (arnart1802), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Actively?

They aren't in existance, so how?

I got a 'greatest hits' in a bootsale, was all 'ah lovely' got it home, thought "This is boring".

Is that active enough for yez?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:49 (fourteen years ago) link

I can understand why some people don't like his voice

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I agree 100% with this thread. I've always thought the same about Chuck Berry.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:43 (fourteen years ago) link

OTM re: Chuck Berry.. and bo diddley too, but maybe even moreso.

electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Does John Fogerty pee on girls in bathtubs?

NickB (NickB), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Found one: my girlfriend abolutely hates CCR and refuses to listen to them. She will leave the room if they are on. I forget where this confusingly intense hatred comes from, but I think there was a story attached.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Thread went backwards for 2 posts there...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha, oops.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:52 (fourteen years ago) link

CCR and Al Green may be the only artists discussed on ILM enjoyed by everyone.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:55 (fourteen years ago) link

When we got to CCR on the "bands everyone likes" thread it was going well for a bit but alas there were finally some dissenters.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I dissent. I can stand some of the big hits - Up Around The Bend and Bad Moon Rising are fine, but the rest just sounds like a third rate bar band fronted by a singing goat.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I love CCR but I can certainly understand why people wouldn't like them: Fogerty's voice, samey arragements, tendency to jam aimlessly

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:12 (fourteen years ago) link

britishes people don't "get" ccr

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Balls

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link

be happy to be an exception.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Um, I think they had about 10 top 40 hits in Britain.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link

i had a friend who only knew about ccr through an ad constantly running on tv for a compilation. it was one of those "sessions presents!" kinda things, selling ccr the same way they'd sell a k-tel comp. my friend wrote them off as a joke based on that. years later she realized the error of her ways.

and anyone seen the ccr woodstock footage? they're like fuckin' merzbow up there.

Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:48 (fourteen years ago) link

CCR rules. My dad like CCR and brought me up right. No dissent should be tolerated. Martial choogle law will be enforced by the Natl Guard if necessary.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:49 (fourteen years ago) link

CCR rules. My dad liked CCR and brought me up right. No dissent should be tolerated. Martial choogle law will be enforced by the Natl Guard if necessary.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:49 (fourteen years ago) link

I think my girlfriend doesn't like CCR :(

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Parents listened to a lot of CCR and, well, classic rock in general. Listening to CCR greatest hits now and can definitely say I dislike this and never want to hear it again. Aside from a few hits it's really intolerable.

larssen (larssen), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Please report to your local re-education center.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link

CCR and Al Green may be the only artists discussed on ILM enjoyed by everyone.
-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (soto.alfre...), June 2nd, 2006 10:55 AM.

WRONG. I would be perfectly happy to never hear another note performed by John Fogerty ever, ever again.

I love CCR but I can certainly understand why people wouldn't like them: Fogerty's voice, samey arrangements, tendency to jam aimlessly
-- Oh No, It's Dadaismus (dadaismu...), June 2nd, 2006 11:12 AM.

You got it.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link

"and anyone seen the ccr woodstock footage? they're like fuckin' merzbow up there."

where can this be seen? (Youtube it...?) its not in the movie.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:22 (fourteen years ago) link

i've always liked creedence! they fucking bring it, man.

gear (gear), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link

< / delong >

gear (gear), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link

okay, i'll raise my hand. ban me from the noize board now

jergins (jergins), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link

anyone who hates CCR has no choogle in their blood and therefore suxx (not really, but c'mon, get with the program!)

I am ready to kill myself and eat my dog (teenagequiet), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Whatever.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Thomas has choogle but no voodoo.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

we will ramble tamble over the bones of our enemies.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 June 2006 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Anyone who hates CCR should be raped until they die.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 2 June 2006 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link

a while back i learned a handful of CCR classics. they were all in standard tuning, and very, very easy to learn and play.

which "classics"? well you all know the ones i'm talking about, the 4 CCR songs that absolutely everyone agrees are at the highest tier

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 July 2020 15:51 (three weeks ago) link

Tom Fogerty played exclusively in standard tuning on rhythm guitar, which is why this subject might be confusing.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 20 July 2020 15:56 (three weeks ago) link

oh yep, you're right! i must have been learning Tom's parts. I haven't seen too much live footage of CCR, so i often forget that john plays so many lead parts

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 July 2020 16:02 (three weeks ago) link

Had no idea J Fogerty played in anything but standard tuning but then he plays all the hooks and riffs and lead stuff.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 20 July 2020 16:05 (three weeks ago) link

Kind of a pain to play lead in different tunings?

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 20 July 2020 16:06 (three weeks ago) link

I'm less than an amateur on the guitar, but what's the special tuning Neil Young uses for "Cinnamon Girl" (which he explains to a busker somewhere on Archives)--is that a drop-D?

clemenza, Monday, 20 July 2020 16:25 (three weeks ago) link

Yes

calstars, Monday, 20 July 2020 16:28 (three weeks ago) link

Cinnamon Girl is double drop-D: DADGBD where both E-strings are dropped to D

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 20 July 2020 16:50 (three weeks ago) link

Hahaha I’m not saying he is whiny, I’m actually on his side, fuck those unprofessional deadhead hippies. CCR deserved better.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 20 July 2020 16:58 (three weeks ago) link

xpost Yeah, "Cinnamon Girl" and "Ohio" are double drop-D.

Looks like Fogerty spent a lot of time in open G, open D, drop D and of course standard. Oh and also everything tuned down a whole step, too: D-G-C-F-A-D. (If I saw correctly, "Proud Mary" is in this tuning.) Speaking of Neil Young, I think "Hey Hey My My (Into the Black)" may also be D-G-C-F-A-D, too.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 20 July 2020 17:13 (three weeks ago) link

“Late last night...I WENT FO A WALK!”

calstars, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 22:44 (two weeks ago) link

xpost pretty sure Neil used D-G-C-F-A-D on "Ambulance Blues", as well

And the mention of Texarkana upthread reminds me that "Ride My Llama" is in a weird tuning... according to the tab I just searched up, it's E-B-E-A-C#-E (double drop D with a capo at the second fret)

handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 02:33 (two weeks ago) link

O’Rourke kept his experimental tendencies in check, ceding the spotlight to Callahan’s voice—warmer and fuller than it had ever been recorded before, a reluctant river of feeling lit by purple dusk—and rounding it out with gentle strokes of cello, Velvets-style motorik chug, and classic-rock choogle.

pfork has deemed Smog a choogler https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/smog-knock-knock/

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 2 August 2020 05:27 (one week ago) link

If everyone choogles then no one choogles.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 August 2020 14:06 (one week ago) link

Lol, Smog doesn't choogle. He's lucky if he ch's.

Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Sunday, 2 August 2020 18:17 (one week ago) link

i was looking for japanese-language covers of pink floyd songs, mostly fruitlessly, but i did come across this band, who do japanese-language covers of a lot of different creedence songs. i approve!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9bRAeg-1ak

having said that, i do not think these folks choogle necessarily.

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 2 August 2020 19:36 (one week ago) link

What was the story about Norman Lear buying Fantasy and John Fogerty going back to the label? Is it discussed upthread?/zing

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 August 2020 19:40 (one week ago) link

@rushomancy I've seen a Japanese Steely Dan cover band twice and they are pretty good! lmk if that's your cup of tea.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 2 August 2020 22:07 (one week ago) link

chooglin' requires 18" hi-hats

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Monday, 3 August 2020 02:13 (one week ago) link

I'm choogling Japanese I really think so

pizzagnostic (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 3 August 2020 14:33 (one week ago) link

@rushomancy I've seen a Japanese Steely Dan cover band twice and they are pretty good! lmk if that's your cup of tea.

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli)

thanks jersey al but steely dan has never really been my thing at all, idk why :shrug:

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:02 (one week ago) link

I just stumbled upon this - Fogerty's official YouTube channel uploaded the entire 1987 broadcast of his set at the Vietnam tribute where he unexpectedly broke his boycott on CCR songs. Great set, and Fogerty even fakes them out at the beginning before laying on the surprise. It's especially nice to see and hear people's reactions and Fogerty acknowledging that once in a while, particularly since the audience is mainly Vietnam vets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2UknGjCkCI

birdistheword, Monday, 3 August 2020 21:15 (one week ago) link

Will watch later, thanks! How does it compare to Live At Woodstock?

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 3 August 2020 21:29 (one week ago) link

You're welcome! Hard to say because I haven't heard their Woodstock set recently. I used to have the bootleg of the soundboard mix, and while it was a good performance (much better than what the band made it out to be), they had already released better performances like that great Oakland show (which was also videotaped and you can find it on YouTube).

FWIW, I think *seeing* these performances rather than just hearing them gives them a lot more appeal - it would be great if the Woodstock show gets released that way too but at least it got a real mix as the soundboard is a little unbalanced.

birdistheword, Monday, 3 August 2020 22:15 (one week ago) link

Actually filmed (in 16mm), not videotaped. You can find better quality YouTube uploads of individual numbers, but here's that 1970 Oakland show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4H501Eh90M

birdistheword, Monday, 3 August 2020 22:17 (one week ago) link

The announcer says they were all 24 years old at that point except for Tom who was 27. Damn

calstars, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 01:03 (one week ago) link

Man, that's nothing. Check out Buddy Holly when the Crickets were still together - you've got TEENAGERS in that group. Holly was only 22 when he died.

It's crazy how young some of these legends were. (Then of course you have someone like Chuck Berry who was months away from turning 30 when he cut his first single.)

birdistheword, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 01:43 (one week ago) link

Thanks for posting that film. I don't know if anyone quite had their combination of toughness, laid-backness, and "groove". That guitar in Willy and the Poor Boys has the bite of a chainsaw, but it has the swing of a country song.

Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 12:29 (one week ago) link

The announcer says they were all 24 years old at that point except for Tom who was 27. Damn

Better get this in before Mr. J. Redd does, Emitt Rhodes' career was over when he was 23.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 12:32 (one week ago) link

It's of slight interest to me that Creedence and AC/DC share the younger brother on lead guitar/older brother on rhythm guitar dynamic, though of course AC/DC was Malcolm's band and Creedence was John's.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 12:59 (one week ago) link

crüt, at first I did not believe you about the 18" hats. Holy shit, those are manhole covers. The energy required to get them to move must be tremendous, and they have a really slushy decay.

(fwiw I only ever play 13" hats, and am regarded as an eccentric)

we slept on the banks on the leaves of a banyan tree (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 13:21 (one week ago) link

/The announcer says they were all 24 years old at that point except for Tom who was 27. Damn/

Better get this in before Mr. J. Redd does, Emitt Rhodes' career was over when he was 23.

Heh

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 13:44 (one week ago) link

xx-posting

Richie Valens had a top 10 single and died in that plane crash before he turned 18.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 6 August 2020 01:45 (one week ago) link

Randy California was 19 when Spirit released their fourth album (and last with the original lineup), Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus.

aphoristical, Thursday, 6 August 2020 01:57 (one week ago) link

Free were all teenagers when the cut A Ton of Sobs, their first album, in '68. IIRC, Andy Fraser was only 15 and Kossoff was 16.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 6 August 2020 02:27 (one week ago) link

..and, of course, Juan Soto is still 21.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 6 August 2020 02:29 (one week ago) link

okay so now i think we're starting to approach a point where the accomplishments given as examples aren't exactly impressive no matter how young the musicians were

budo jeru, Thursday, 6 August 2020 02:30 (one week ago) link

i was 6 when i ghostwrote "they reminisce over you" man get outta here

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Thursday, 6 August 2020 02:40 (one week ago) link

Richie Valens had a top 10 single and died in that plane crash before he turned 18.

― Elvis Telecom

Do you mean “La Bamba”? That’s a traditional Mexican song it wasn’t written by him.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 6 August 2020 18:15 (one week ago) link

"Donna" went Top 10. "La Bamba" wasn't as big at the time, but became a bigger Oldies staple and legacy song.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 6 August 2020 18:24 (one week ago) link

"La Bamba" was the b-side to "Donna" which went to #2.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 6 August 2020 18:36 (one week ago) link

Randy California was 19 when Spirit released their fourth album (and last with the original lineup), Twelve Dreams of Dr. Sardonicus.

― aphoristical, Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:57 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

goddamn!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 August 2020 18:40 (one week ago) link

I guess to tie this thread together a little, the opening guitar of "Centerfield" pays enormous homage to Valens' arrangement of "La Bamba".

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 6 August 2020 18:45 (one week ago) link

Oh yeah!

calstars, Thursday, 6 August 2020 19:41 (one week ago) link

Yeah Centerfield intro is 100% La Bamba. Has Fogerty mentioned it or credited it as inspiration?

Huh had no idea Donna was Valens’ popular song. Not a fan of that style of ballads. For me La Bamba and Come On Let’s Go are the ones I’d keep.

Is it me or did people in the 40’s/50’s aged worse? Valens looks more like a 30 year old than a 17 year old in every late picture I’ve seen of him.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 6 August 2020 21:20 (one week ago) link


Is it me or did people in the 40’s/50’s aged worse? Valens looks more like a 30 year old than a 17 year old in every late picture I’ve seen of him.


I always take this phenomenon to be that we’re just used to seeing folks with this general style and demeanor old, because we keep some of the styles of our youth as we age.

That said, for the last few decades, a lot of folks look 30ish well into their 40s, whereas most were getting haggard and jowly with the tobacco, disease, diet and work conditions of the past.

Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Friday, 7 August 2020 02:20 (one week ago) link

Big Bopper was actually 11 years old. Times were tough back then,

pplains, Friday, 7 August 2020 02:38 (one week ago) link

wasn't there a thread about this ? or something online somewhere ? about how people in the '40s and '50s always seemed to look run-down and haggard by 35

budo jeru, Friday, 7 August 2020 02:54 (one week ago) link

https://www.boredpanda.com/past-young-people-look-older/

This one?

✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 7 August 2020 03:13 (one week ago) link

yeah, i think that's it !

budo jeru, Friday, 7 August 2020 03:35 (one week ago) link


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