If you actively dislike Creedence Clearwater Revival, then I can never respect anything you have to say about anything.

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I believe this with my entire soul.

electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Friday, 2 June 2006 04:16 (thirteen years ago) link

seconded.

Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Friday, 2 June 2006 04:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Idiots.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 2 June 2006 04:23 (thirteen years ago) link

does anyone really actively hate them??? ive never heard of this

karri miback (cruisy), Friday, 2 June 2006 04:23 (thirteen years ago) link

i haven't yet. this is a hypothetical creature, as far as my actual experience is concerned.

electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Friday, 2 June 2006 04:28 (thirteen years ago) link

do i have to repost that Other Music Howlin' Rain review?

jäxøñ (jaxon), Friday, 2 June 2006 05:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Howlin' Rain record release this saturday at the hemlock (i'm outta town).

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 2 June 2006 05:05 (thirteen years ago) link

does other music not like CCR?

electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Friday, 2 June 2006 05:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Drawing heavily from a much vilified era of American rock, circa 1969-1974, Howlin Rain reek of early Grateful Dead, Allman Bros, CCR, Crazy Horse...

Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Friday, 2 June 2006 05:18 (thirteen years ago) link

banned =

New (Old) Warehouse Decree: EVERY FRIDAY is CREEDENCE FRIDAY

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 2 June 2006 05:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Howlin' Rain record release this saturday at the hemlock (i'm outta town).

stevie, you wouldn't per chance be in LA this weekend? because i will be.

jäxøñ (jaxon), Friday, 2 June 2006 05:58 (thirteen years ago) link

also, Marmotdeth, are you a noize dude in sheeps clothing.

jäxøñ (jaxon), Friday, 2 June 2006 05:59 (thirteen years ago) link

what if, like me, you love creedence clearwater revival but generally has little or no use for the roots-rock/alt-country that they inspired?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:12 (thirteen years ago) link

i saw fogerty play about 8 years ago or whenever that album came out (the album was ok, so-so). and we were all wondering, you know, would he do much creedence, or just a little, would he be pushing the new stuff hard or whatever...and he came out and just bam-bam-bam-bam-bam-bam, did like 7 straight solid gold-platinum creedence numbers in a row, and sounded GREAT, and then we were just his to do with as he pleased. but even then he just threw in a new song or two and then bam-bam-bam-bam-bam, more more more. one of the greatest shows i've ever seen.

xpost: why's it matter what he inspired? and anyway didn't he inspire, like, bob seger and john cougar more than he inspired the derailers?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:16 (thirteen years ago) link

I am a marmot in deth's clothing.
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Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:20 (thirteen years ago) link

it doesn't really matter THAT much to me -- it was a question for the thread creator.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Or I am deth in marmot's clothing, tke your pick. Eisbar what bands in particular do you mean? Alt-country always makes me think Uncle Tupelo and I never got into them and their ilk.

Marmotdeth (marmotwolof), Friday, 2 June 2006 06:31 (thirteen years ago) link

ok

Arnar Eggert Thoroddsen (arnart1802), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Actively?

They aren't in existance, so how?

I got a 'greatest hits' in a bootsale, was all 'ah lovely' got it home, thought "This is boring".

Is that active enough for yez?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I can understand why some people don't like his voice

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 09:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I agree 100% with this thread. I've always thought the same about Chuck Berry.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Friday, 2 June 2006 11:43 (thirteen years ago) link

OTM re: Chuck Berry.. and bo diddley too, but maybe even moreso.

electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Does John Fogerty pee on girls in bathtubs?

NickB (NickB), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Found one: my girlfriend abolutely hates CCR and refuses to listen to them. She will leave the room if they are on. I forget where this confusingly intense hatred comes from, but I think there was a story attached.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Thread went backwards for 2 posts there...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Haha, oops.

Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link

CCR and Al Green may be the only artists discussed on ILM enjoyed by everyone.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 June 2006 13:55 (thirteen years ago) link

When we got to CCR on the "bands everyone likes" thread it was going well for a bit but alas there were finally some dissenters.

TRG (TRG), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link

I dissent. I can stand some of the big hits - Up Around The Bend and Bad Moon Rising are fine, but the rest just sounds like a third rate bar band fronted by a singing goat.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link

I love CCR but I can certainly understand why people wouldn't like them: Fogerty's voice, samey arragements, tendency to jam aimlessly

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link

britishes people don't "get" ccr

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Balls

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link

be happy to be an exception.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Um, I think they had about 10 top 40 hits in Britain.

NickB (NickB), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link

i had a friend who only knew about ccr through an ad constantly running on tv for a compilation. it was one of those "sessions presents!" kinda things, selling ccr the same way they'd sell a k-tel comp. my friend wrote them off as a joke based on that. years later she realized the error of her ways.

and anyone seen the ccr woodstock footage? they're like fuckin' merzbow up there.

Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:48 (thirteen years ago) link

CCR rules. My dad like CCR and brought me up right. No dissent should be tolerated. Martial choogle law will be enforced by the Natl Guard if necessary.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link

CCR rules. My dad liked CCR and brought me up right. No dissent should be tolerated. Martial choogle law will be enforced by the Natl Guard if necessary.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I think my girlfriend doesn't like CCR :(

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Parents listened to a lot of CCR and, well, classic rock in general. Listening to CCR greatest hits now and can definitely say I dislike this and never want to hear it again. Aside from a few hits it's really intolerable.

larssen (larssen), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Please report to your local re-education center.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 June 2006 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link

CCR and Al Green may be the only artists discussed on ILM enjoyed by everyone.
-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (soto.alfre...), June 2nd, 2006 10:55 AM.

WRONG. I would be perfectly happy to never hear another note performed by John Fogerty ever, ever again.

I love CCR but I can certainly understand why people wouldn't like them: Fogerty's voice, samey arrangements, tendency to jam aimlessly
-- Oh No, It's Dadaismus (dadaismu...), June 2nd, 2006 11:12 AM.

You got it.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link

"and anyone seen the ccr woodstock footage? they're like fuckin' merzbow up there."

where can this be seen? (Youtube it...?) its not in the movie.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link

i've always liked creedence! they fucking bring it, man.

gear (gear), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link

< / delong >

gear (gear), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link

okay, i'll raise my hand. ban me from the noize board now

jergins (jergins), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link

anyone who hates CCR has no choogle in their blood and therefore suxx (not really, but c'mon, get with the program!)

I am ready to kill myself and eat my dog (teenagequiet), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link

Whatever.

Thomas Inskeep (submeat), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Thomas has choogle but no voodoo.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 2 June 2006 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link

we will ramble tamble over the bones of our enemies.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 2 June 2006 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Anyone who hates CCR should be raped until they die.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 2 June 2006 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Sometimes I see acts who make such a mockery of the encore process that I think (and this is probably true) that a lot of them are contractually bound to perform an "encore," which means the pantomime of walking off the stage and coming back, even if they don't want to or feel the need to.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 19:13 (one week ago) link

The best approach to the perfunctory encore I ever saw was at a Metric show several years back. They just put a timer up on a screen that counted down the five minutes until they came back out. That struck me as perfect, because it was completely transparent about it being a pre-arranged break rather than something spontaneous, didn't obligate the audience to carry on clapping and cheering for some indefinite amount of time, and allowed the excitement for the "encore" portion of the show to build and peak at just the right time.

JRN, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 19:40 (one week ago) link

I accompanied a friend to a 2004 Decemberists show at some tiny venue; there were five members and enough instruments on stage that the band couldn't leave the stage without removing it all, so just told us to pretend they left, and chatted with each other for a few minutes before doing the encore.

blatherskite, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 20:16 (one week ago) link

Doesn't all of this depend on the act? Unless they were laying down a couple of hour-long choogles in there al la Rallizes or Endless Boogie or whatever I can't imagine wanting to sit through three live hours of CCR...there's just not enough variety in what they did to pull that off.

Comparing CCR to Zep in this regard is kinda dumb

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 20:44 (one week ago) link

I can't think of any band I would want to hear perform for three hours, Zep definitely included. Maybe P-Funk, but there was a fair amount of widdling between the gems in their shows too.

A breezy pop-rock feel fairly typical of the mid-'80s (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 20:54 (one week ago) link

I've only ever seen two bands play for more than two hours - the Mars Volta in 2005 (no opening act and I feel like they were up there for about 3 hours) and King Sunny Ade (played from 8 PM to 4 AM). In both cases there was definitely a "it's all one song" feeling, and I wouldn't want to listen back to recordings of either show but I had a blast while I was there. I agree with Hadrian that Creedence, or any band playing one discrete song after another for three hours, would be intolerable for me after 90 minutes or so.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 20:59 (one week ago) link

Heh, I was curious, so did the math, and the sum total of the first five CCR album runs just under three hours.

Every time I've seen Springsteen he's gone on for around 3 hours, and it's never seemed too long ... or too short. I'm trying to think who else I've seen who goes three hours. Even Rush I think stopped around 2.5.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 21:12 (one week ago) link

Fwiw, btw, those epic Zeppelin sets were like half drum/guitar/organ solos. Basically "Dazed and Confused" and "Moby Dick" and "No Quarter."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 21:14 (one week ago) link

Fwiw, btw, those epic Zeppelin sets were like half drum/guitar/organ solos. Basically "Dazed and Confused" and "Moby Dick" and "No Quarter."

I've always wondered about this. I've read books about Led Zeppelin where they describe concerts and it's like "and then John Paul Jones took a 40-minute organ solo before 'No Quarter'" and I think, who the fuck would even stick around for that? But at the same time, I'd kinda like to hear even one bootleg just to see how unendurable it really is.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 21:23 (one week ago) link

"Man, I ain’t believing that shit about Bonham’s one hour drum solo, man. I mean one hour of drums, you couldn’t handle that shit on strong acid, man."

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 21:27 (one week ago) link

vampire weekend went 2 hrs 45 when i saw them at msg earlier this year lol

jacquees, full of cobras (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 21:28 (one week ago) link

All I know is that, as a huge Zeppelin fan, I've never felt compelled to listen to any of their bootlegs for that very reason (plus others). But Springsteen, otoh, I can easily listen to a 3.5 hour show by him. Once I picked up a friend when I was listening to a Bruce show (during a Sirius promo), took him to a real concert, and the Bruce show was still on for the ride home.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 21:30 (one week ago) link

How The West Was Won is a great live document and you don't have to try to track down weird bootlegs

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 21:54 (one week ago) link

The '69 live show on the expanded Zep I is great too--They were absolute hungry beasts onstage then.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 21:58 (one week ago) link

Some of those 77 Presence tour Zep shows are insane: guitar player all strung out, sounding like a shreds vid part of the time & part of the time like the greatest guitar player ever, singer seemingly bemused/befuddled by the whole thing, No Quarter devolving in a boogie-woogie piano scales exercise, all going on for 3 fucking hours, sometimes brilliant, sometimes stupid, always 100% Led Zep.

All bands should play 20 minutes MAXIMUM

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 22:00 (one week ago) link

My uncle ditched my sister's 3rd birthday party to go see Zep in 77 in Chicago. She thinks he made the right choice.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 22:08 (one week ago) link

i feel like i saw the allman bros approach the 3 hour mark in the late 90s(?) but it's very possible i'm misremembering

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 22:08 (one week ago) link

xpost Yeah, the official futzed with live Zeppelin document is pretty awesome, especially the DVD version. But that seems kind of an outlier. whereas there are probably 5-10 Springsteen bootlegs I listen to as often as the albums themselves.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 22:12 (one week ago) link

CCR!!!

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 22:21 (one week ago) link

I saw Public Enemy go at least 3.5 hours... in Columbia, Mo.... on a weeknight.

Even being 19, I had to throw in the towel around 2 a.m.

pplains, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 22:42 (one week ago) link

And before anyone asks, no, there was no 40-minute Terminator X scratch solo.

pplains, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 22:43 (one week ago) link

One of the best shows I've ever seen was a four hour Prince show in 2011. Somewhere in encore 4, we realized that we were already at the afterparty and we jumped down to the floor of the Forum to dance along with the remaining audience who stayed behind. You don't leave until Prince leaves.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 22:48 (one week ago) link

One other thing CCR had going on that I want to say a lot of rock acts had abandoned was an allegiance to the country side of early rock and roll, not just soul or the blues but rockabilly. Did many other bands dip into rockabilly between CCR's end until the late '70s/early '80s revival?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 00:03 (one week ago) link

Flamin' Groovies.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 00:06 (one week ago) link

Same city!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 00:07 (one week ago) link

Only bands I saw do more than two hours were the Who, whose set was around 3 hours in 1989; and George Clinton and the P-Funk All-Stars a few weeks later, who played a solid 4-hour show that did not let up AT ALL. I didn’t even know much of their material at the time, and was transfixed.

To bring it back to CCR and encores, at one of those ‘89 Who shows, they played “Born On The Bayou,” introduced by Daltrey as “the only thing I remember about Woodstock.”

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 00:19 (one week ago) link

Nice to see some love for P-Funk’s marathon sets, none of which involved 40-minute drum solos

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 00:24 (one week ago) link

One other thing CCR had going on that I want to say a lot of rock acts had abandoned was an allegiance to the country side of early rock and roll, not just soul or the blues but rockabilly. Did many other bands dip into rockabilly between CCR's end until the late '70s/early '80s revival?


This was a highlight of most any Zeppelin show, they always did a good run of Gene Vincent Eddy Cochrane Elvis st al

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 00:35 (one week ago) link

In the UK at least glam def reached back to early r’n’r/rockabilly

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 00:52 (one week ago) link


To bring it back to CCR and encores, at one of those ‘89 Who shows, they played “Born On The Bayou,” introduced by Daltrey as “the only thing I remember about Woodstock.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjrIb1WdOVg

pplains, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 01:39 (one week ago) link

One of the best shows I've ever seen was a four hour Prince show in 2011. Somewhere in encore 4, we realized that we were already at the afterparty and we jumped down to the floor of the Forum to dance along with the remaining audience who stayed behind. You don't leave until Prince leaves.

― Elvis Telecom

Oh yeah I've got a bootleg of that one. Definitely one of the hottest shows I've heard Prince do, which is, uh, a significant compliment.

There are some pretty excruciating Zep shows from '75 and '77. There's one from Seattle '75 (there's a video of this I'm told) where Jimmy stretches out "Dazed and Confused" for _45 minutes_. It's absolutely unbearable, total torture (and I'll rep hard for the 26 minute Dazed and Confused from Offenburg two years earlier!) Then by '77 there's the infamous Tempe gig.. the "Achilles Last Stand" from that gig is one of the biggest trainwrecks I've ever heard, probably still terrible even if you find a tape running at the right speed (which most of them don't). Of course the flip side is that Page could play that completely terrible and nobody would fucking care. 100% arena ennui. A lot of it is, I think, down to the sound systems of the time... they probably sounded terrible for similar reasons to those that made the Beatles sound terrible - it wasn't the fans per se, it was the technology wasn't there to allow them to sound good!

Agnes Motörhead (rushomancy), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 02:46 (one week ago) link

I saw Public Enemy go at least 3.5 hours... in Columbia, Mo.... on a weeknight..


Can’t remember if it was a weeknight but I also saw them do this, probably 2010 or so, in a not-sold-out venue in a very tertiary market. They came back for at least 6 obviously unplanned encores simply because flav refused to leave the stage. It almost became like a battle of chuck and the band trying to tire flav out.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 03:20 (one week ago) link

I dunno, PAs had come a very long way by ‘77, and a number of bands designed, developed, and lugged around their own PAs as a means of avoiding being stuck with inadequate house systems. It seems weird that Zep either a) didn’t use their own system, or b) that they designed and used a crappy one.

But apart from maybe ‘68-‘69, Zep just wasn’t a great live act. They’d have great moments, but then ruin everything with 90 minutes of “LOOK AT THIS VIOLIN BOW.” It’s telling that How The West Was Won is compiled from multiple shows, sometimes within a single song (“Stairway” alone has bits from three shows). They couldn’t find one Zep show that was decent from beginning to end?

xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 03:31 (one week ago) link

this discussion sent me to the extras on the 2009 reissues of Bayou Country through Cosmo's, but also to the songs I was not familiar with from Pendulum: and man, "Sailor's Lament," "Chameleon," "Hideaway," and "It's Just a Thought" are really really bad. JF really ran outta gas at the same time that he wanted to expand the sound of the band, although I admire the chutzpah of "Rude Awakening" which is so bizarre and ill conceived that I'm glad he put it on the record. "Born to Move" and "Molina" are okay, but no patch on "Hey Tonight" or "have you ever"; that last one still the least of his hot streak.

veronica moser, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:22 (one week ago) link

Hard disagree about those Pendulum tracks

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:34 (one week ago) link

I call Pendulum the Organ Album. Fogerty took to it hard. Sometimes the songs exist as excuses for organ grooves ("Sailor's Lament"). But "It's Just a Thought" is a better bit of rumination than "Have You Ever..." -- my least favorite of CCR's singles, I'll agree.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:46 (one week ago) link

Something's gotta be last, right?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:54 (one week ago) link

Hard disagree about those Pendulum tracks

Hard agree with your hard disagreement. "Hideaway" and "It's Just a Thought" are great!

I've Got A Ron Wood Solo Album To Listen To (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:45 (one week ago) link

I really love "Rude Awakening #2" as well, their most overtly psychedelic track

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 22:56 (one week ago) link

"Pagan Baby" also such a killer riff, underrated non-single.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 23:03 (one week ago) link

picked up a copy of Chronicle Volume 2 on CD at the used bookstore this weekend, thanks to this thread

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 23:05 (one week ago) link

That second volume led to my appreciation of CCR.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 23:09 (one week ago) link

1972 is a hazy memory, but I would swear I remember my local top 40 station playing “Molina” a bit. It was never a single in the US though. I really like everything on Pendulum except “Rude Awakening,” but one person’s “overtly psychedelic” is another’s clanking and banging for 6 minutes to fill out the album. “Pagan Baby” is amazing.

A breezy pop-rock feel fairly typical of the mid-'80s (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 5 December 2019 00:06 (six days ago) link

"I dunno, PAs had come a very long way by ‘77, and a number of bands designed, developed, and lugged around their own PAs as a means of avoiding being stuck with inadequate house systems. It seems weird that Zep either a) didn’t use their own system, or b) that they designed and used a crappy one."

ehh, i'm not a gear-head, i've just heard lots of stadium rock boots, and the performances tend to be pretty crap on all of them. if there was a band in '77 that was playing absolutely top-notch balls-out rock in stadiums (which is something that's absolutely completely doable today), i'd think maybe it was just the drugs, but as i haven't heard such a thing i'm figuring there were unique challenges.

"But apart from maybe ‘68-‘69, Zep just wasn’t a great live act. They’d have great moments, but then ruin everything with 90 minutes of “LOOK AT THIS VIOLIN BOW.” It’s telling that How The West Was Won is compiled from multiple shows, sometimes within a single song (“Stairway” alone has bits from three shows). They couldn’t find one Zep show that was decent from beginning to end?

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)"

i'd argue that zep were inherently (even in '68-'69) _inconsistent_ - they took chances, they fluffed, and the live stuff (as has been exhaustively chronicled by eddie edwards) is edited to leave out the stuff they fluffed. an unedited release of that stuff, were it possible (the bbc stuff is edited for copyright reasons - they had a predilection for launching into blues songs and not crediting the original authors, and have paid out enough on those grounds that they're pretty careful), would still be an all-time live album, at minimum on par with "live at leeds". i'd also argue that zep were operating on an extremely high functional level as a live band through the end of '72 at least... over the course of '73 robert plant proceeded to completely blow out his voice, and it wasn't until after zep was a done deal that he learned to adapt and deal with what he lost. "how the west was won" was recorded towards the tail end of the '73 shows. you can complain about the violin bow stuff all you like but i was listening the offenburg "dazed" last night and that is absolutely a compendium of "heavy rock", finding room for both hendrix's "machine gun" and holst's "mars"

Agnes Motörhead (rushomancy), Thursday, 5 December 2019 01:10 (six days ago) link

Semi-related, I bought the new box that has as much as was releasable of all four Band of Gypsys shows and you can really hear them feeling their way into and through the material - the first set on Night 1, the songs are a lot shorter, on Night 2 there's a real feeling that they've gelled as a band and everyone is more confident, hitting harder, stretching out more, and they're having fun with old songs like "Wild Thing" and "Purple Haze" not out of nervousness or a need to win the crowd over, but just for the hell of it.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 5 December 2019 01:20 (six days ago) link

I find myself inexplicably humming "Molina" as much as any of their hits.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 December 2019 01:57 (six days ago) link

ehh, i'm not a gear-head, i've just heard lots of stadium rock boots, and the performances tend to be pretty crap on all of them. if there was a band in '77 that was playing absolutely top-notch balls-out rock in stadiums (which is something that's absolutely completely doable today), i'd think maybe it was just the drugs, but as i haven't heard such a thing i'm figuring there were unique challenges.


There are Who boots from ‘75-‘76 and Floyd boots from ‘77 that are crystal clear. Granted, much of that has to do with where the taper was sitting, but those two bands (Floyd especially) pioneered large PAs that also delivered clarity.

you can complain about the violin bow stuff all you like but i was listening the offenburg "dazed" last night and that is absolutely a compendium of "heavy rock", finding room for both hendrix's "machine gun" and holst's "mars"


My favorite “Dazed” — in fact, my favorite Led Zeppelin performance/moment — is the 1969 Supershow dealie. But for me, when Page gets too quotey, and loses focus (sometimes simultaneously), I lose interest. There seem to be more of those moments in the lengthier “Dazed”s.

And otm re: that Hendrix box. They just get progressively more into the possibilities with each show.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 5 December 2019 02:06 (six days ago) link

"There are Who boots from ‘75-‘76 and Floyd boots from ‘77 that are crystal clear. Granted, much of that has to do with where the taper was sitting, but those two bands (Floyd especially) pioneered large PAs that also delivered clarity."

I'm not talking sound quality or how well the audience could hear them, I mean the extent to which they could hear each _other_. Which neither Pink Floyd in '77 or the Who, well, probably ever, could.

"My favorite “Dazed” — in fact, my favorite Led Zeppelin performance/moment — is the 1969 Supershow dealie. But for me, when Page gets too quotey, and loses focus (sometimes simultaneously), I lose interest. There seem to be more of those moments in the lengthier “Dazed”s.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)"

To me the Supershow Dazed is just painful... because of the cut. God knows how long they went on for or how good it might have been. I rightly wouldn't mind another ten minutes or so, given that even by '69 standards they're playing shit-hot.

There's a certain overlap between his quoting and losing focus, but it's not 1:1. Offenburg to me is less "hey let's quote some other songs" and more the band attacking them with the same _transformational_ approach they went after all those blues songs with. Kind of along the lines of the "White Summer/Black Mountain Side" from Montreux '70 - yeah obviously he's ripping off Jansch, but there's so much individual flair to what he's doing that I can't rightly get terribly fussed over it.

Agnes Motörhead (rushomancy), Thursday, 5 December 2019 02:44 (six days ago) link

I'm not talking sound quality or how well the audience could hear them, I mean the extent to which they could hear each _other_. Which neither Pink Floyd in '77 or the Who, well, probably ever, could.


Ah, I misunderstood. I have no idea about Floyd, but the Who’s longtime soundman, Bob Pridden, invented wedge monitors (or at least is credited as such) so they could hear each other, and on larger stages, Townshend had a Sunn bass cabinet on his side in order to hear Entwistle more clearly.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 5 December 2019 03:25 (six days ago) link

Man, I was watching one of those rig rundown videos, and apparently Angus Young doesn't use in-ear monitors, so they just had a wall of amps at full blast across the stage so that he could hear everything no matter where he was standing.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 December 2019 04:04 (six days ago) link


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