C/D : Pharcyde

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Unbelievably, there hasn't been a thread devoted to Pharcyde, who are, in my opinion, one of the best rap groups ever. I think one listen to the first album could convince most people that this is the direction that rap music should have gone in instead of gangsta. Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde is really an amazing album. The beats, courtesy of J-Swift, are great-- fun, jazzy, and upbeat; the lyrics are funny, self-deprecating, and jocular. What's really refreshing is that Pharcyde is just good fun without all the posturing, braggadocio, and hardness that comes out of a lot of rap. Listening to the first album is like hanging out with friends, a feeling that I rarely get from music, much less rap albums. Moreover, it's actually catchy.

You can't walk away from this album without feeling good. Pharcyde is like a better version of ATCQ-- one with funnier lyrics and better production. For this album alone, I say CLASSIC, but there are a number of good tracks on the second album too.

Has anyone who has heard Pharcyde not like them?

punis (punis), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Classic in every way until the last album.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

the first album is amazing and still a really fun listen, but they just couldn't keep it up. There are a couple good tracks on Labcabincalifornia ("Runnin" w/its great Stan Getz/Joao Gilberto sample, and "Drop") but that's pretty much it. Diminishin returns ever since... still pissed I missed their live set at Lollapalooza in '95 (or '96?)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Bizarre Ride also has one of the all time greatest covers. That was Fuct at their coolest.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link

classic but i prefer crack

phat lip, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link

"Ya mama got an afro wit' a chinstrap!"

Classic, for the first two records at least.

yer mam! (yer mam!), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:19 (thirteen years ago) link

nice "live" cover of "Runnin'" on Marc (4 Hero) Mac's new Visioneers project...

hank (hank s), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Can I just ask that when someone comes along and sneers at some of the reasons Punis has given for liking this group, that person remembers that Punis's reasoning is a separate point, and should not lead us to frown on or condescend to the really quite likeable music created by the Pharcyde? Thanks.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link

I just saw Bizarre Ride II as #5 on Chris Rock's all-time list (Rap's 25 Greatest Albums, according to Chris Rock) and have noticed it on a fair number of other all-time lists.
Rock: 'Only in rap do you get one-album-wonders. The Pharcyde are like the Boston of rap.'

Another one album wonder of the era was Souls Of Mischief: 93 'Til Infinity.

Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link

there are plenty of one-album wonders in other genres! Rock's got a good list tho.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I think Pharcyde's second album is good enough to keep them from qualifying for that list anyway.

"Passin Me By" was one of the first rap songs I connected with as a kid (also "back in the day" by Ahmad, which is odd as my 'back in the day' is when that song came out.)

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link

And while Souls of Mischief may not have had another good album, the Hiero crew had quite a few great songs from around that period that weren't officially by the souls of mischief but might as well have been.

deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link

haha Ahmad was a great one-hit wonder! See also the "I Wish" guy from that period ("I wish I was a little bit taller/I wish I was a baller/I wish I had a girl who looked good/I would call her" = totally funny sub-Special Ed rhyming)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

That's Skee Lo and his album is actually a good listen.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Ahmad is just dope, his foray into a more christian direction spelled doom for the old career(I tells ya). I brought him on campus at my J.C. long after his heyday(as it were) and he was astonishing.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link

i still love that ahmad/ras kass/saafir tune that was on some soundtrack.

pharcyde's first album = classic, of course.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link

people like crazy artists in general. name one and everyone's all on their dick. Roky Erickson, Syd Barrett, Kool Keith, Skip Spence, ODB, Brian Wilson, Peter Green, Daniel Johnston, Phil Spector, Wesley Willis, Jandek... this list could go on forever.

But I have to admit one thing: the black ones seem funnier for some reason. The white ones mostly seem pathetic. The reason for this, I'm not sure.

-- punis (ad...), May 17th, 2006.

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link

high five!

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link

ban plz?

and what (ooo), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 23:30 (thirteen years ago) link

oh you don't have to ban yourself, it's ok.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link

pharcyde is classic but i feel that everything to be said about them has already been said.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link

2nd album is under rated.

PappaWheelie B.C., Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, but Plain Rap is truth in advertising at it's most disappointing.

Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Classic, if only for the "Bizarre Ryde". "Labcabincalifornia" is pretty good though.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 05:27 (thirteen years ago) link

"Bizarre Ride" was my high school stoner album of choice. Everything else I listened to was death metal, stoner rock, and other noisy rock. That album was like a stoner party vacation.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 05:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Pharcyde is like a better version of ATCQ-- one with funnier lyrics and better production.

i love Pharcyde, but i can't get behind this... 'better' production? clearer perhaps, but i love the murk of early ATCQ.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 09:32 (thirteen years ago) link

The second album, though quite different than Bizarre Ride, is very good. After that, several members, most notably Fatlip, left the group, so it's almost another entity altogether.

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:31 (thirteen years ago) link

i love Pharcyde, but i can't get behind this... 'better' production? clearer perhaps, but i love the murk of early ATCQ.

Tribe's productions have always struck me as kind of so-so on the whole. I like the vibe they're going for, but most of the beats have never felt very memorable to me.

punis (punis), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link

two years pass...

This thread needs some major work.

Bizarre Ride was great due to the playfulness/age of the group and the focus of J-Swift as a producer.

Similar can be found with Da Wascals album, as also produced by J Swift before his crack addiciton:

The Wascals - The Dips

The Wascals - Hard Rhymes

The Wascals - Class Clown

Labcabin was the first time J Dilla came to full prominence, and the group (with LA Jay) were equally on point.

For all the shooting fish in a barrel that was dismissing 90210 Brian Green, his 1996 album was basically another chapter in this with Slim Kid 3 and LA Jay all over it (despite the weakest song being the lead single).

Thugocrat (PappaWheelie V), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 22:03 (ten years ago) link

Anyone seen the reformed full group live? They’re playing a festival here next year and I’m wondering about spunking the $120 on it.

the dick man from the hilarious 'Tom Of Finland' comics (sic), Wednesday, 12 November 2008 23:45 (ten years ago) link

I'd be curious. But not THAT curious.

Thugocrat (PappaWheelie V), Thursday, 13 November 2008 01:41 (ten years ago) link

still luv bizarre ride II

am0n, Thursday, 13 November 2008 02:24 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

Anyone seen the reformed full group live?

Really, really great. Super-fun, all four totally engaged, everyone performing to be entertaining visually, no wastes of time with endless shout-outs to SYDNEEEEEEEEEY! or call-and-response, no wastes of space with four dudes standing at the back drinking water and towelling their own faces. Pretty much all the hits except Soul Flower, Bootie Brown did Dirty Harry, Fatlip did a cover of My Prerogative with the others throwing synchronised boy-band dance moves, they came back to do What’s Up Fatlip for the encore.

I Was A Taoist Intellectual (sic), Monday, 16 February 2009 23:18 (ten years ago) link

Odd couple in the crowd: Har Mar and Justin L0ng.

I Was A Taoist Intellectual (sic), Monday, 16 February 2009 23:19 (ten years ago) link

The idea of the group doing What's Up Fatlip kinda makes my day.

awesome was amazing (PappaWheelie V), Monday, 16 February 2009 23:27 (ten years ago) link

When I saw (half of) the Pharcyde circa 2005, they were immensely boring

I would much rather listen to hard bop jazz and stfu (The Reverend), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 02:22 (ten years ago) link

reformed full group

I Was A Taoist Intellectual (sic), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 03:14 (ten years ago) link

I saw the full group in the August 1995 in Atlanta headlining for a lineup billed as "The Soul Explosion" that included

Ben Harper
Brooklyn Funk Essentials
Omar Lye-Fook
Michael Franti and Spearhead
The Roots

Pharcyde debuted some of their Labcabin material that day and SMOKED nearly everyone off the stage (The Roots were on their game that day, and I'm a big Omar fan, but still...).

Also learned about D'angelo and (oddly) Insane Clown Posse that day thanks to heavy promo on the grounds.

That was a great era for live music in Atlanta thanks to:
www.myspace.com/rudyliciousness

I don't even understand what your screen name means... (PappaWheelie V), Tuesday, 17 February 2009 03:32 (ten years ago) link

three years pass...

i dunno if this was posted here yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CBsxCUhNu0

billstevejim, Thursday, 4 October 2012 19:11 (seven years ago) link

labcabin is the shit, can't understand why it gets dissed so frequently

KitevsPill, Saturday, 6 October 2012 01:53 (seven years ago) link

I prefer it to their first.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Saturday, 6 October 2012 03:14 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Goddamn Bizarre Ride is so fucking fun.

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:19 (five years ago) link

perhaps it's obvious but the influence on OFWGTKTA-gen rappers is evident, in subject matter and rap style if not beats

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:22 (five years ago) link

five months pass...

This is fucking lame:

http://www.laweekly.com/music/pharcyde-producer-j-swift-facing-deportation-to-spain-5403265

polyphonic, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 19:20 (four years ago) link

man that's depressing

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:45 (four years ago) link

damn :(

raih dednelb (The Reverend), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 20:49 (four years ago) link

That first Pharcyde album was awesome at the time and what a truly dispiriting story :(

psychedelic shit and white honky monody (xelab), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 21:02 (four years ago) link

ugh

the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 21:11 (four years ago) link

Michael Ross the genie

oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 21:19 (four years ago) link

"at the time"?

still awesome imo

the late great, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 21:21 (four years ago) link

I know, I just meant haven't listened to it for years

psychedelic shit and white honky monody (xelab), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 21:45 (four years ago) link

you should listen to the first two again, they're great!

the late great, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:07 (four years ago) link

the 2nd one has a couple songs that have stuck w me over the years, but man was I disappointed in that when it came out

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:08 (four years ago) link

I was as well tbh, I was really disappointed with it at the time.

psychedelic shit and white honky monody (xelab), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:21 (four years ago) link

the singles were good but the rest, oy

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:23 (four years ago) link

yeah, bizarre ride is flawless, labcabin has moments

describing a scene in which the Hulk gets a boner (contenderizer), Wednesday, 25 February 2015 22:25 (four years ago) link

Labcabin is so underrated imo

X-101, Thursday, 26 February 2015 13:27 (four years ago) link

^^^

the late great, Thursday, 26 February 2015 17:16 (four years ago) link

think i like it more yeah

Steph def def (Spottie), Thursday, 26 February 2015 17:18 (four years ago) link

i broke up with a girl mostly because she said Black Sunday was a better album than Bizarre Ride when it came out.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 26 February 2015 17:22 (four years ago) link

warranted

Steph def def (Spottie), Thursday, 26 February 2015 17:24 (four years ago) link

i think labcabin was a bit of a let down after hearing Drop. It was so out there and different sounding to us as the time and the album didn't have that immediate sound.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 26 February 2015 17:29 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

oh shit imna try and go to that

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 3 October 2019 18:46 (two weeks ago) link

say what's up to fatlip for me (and he say coolin')

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 3 October 2019 20:01 (two weeks ago) link

I hope his mother (with a penchant for drinking whisky out a bizoot) and with a wooden legs and real feet and a glass eye with a fish in it, is keeping well!

calzino, Thursday, 3 October 2019 20:16 (two weeks ago) link


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