"4:13 Dream" by the Cure

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Still being recorded. Recently ol' Robert had an update on the official site thus:

NEW ALBUM... 5/3/2006 4:29:41 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
NO REAL NEWS
WHICH IS WHY THERE IS LITTLE POSTED HERE

BUT...
THIS WEEK IS OUR SIXTH IN THE STUDIO
AND WE WILL FINISH 'TRACKING' (ie RECORDING DRUMS/BASS/GUITARS/GUIDE VOICE) OUR 20TH SONG THIS FRIDAY...
EVERYONE IS VERY HAPPY
AND IT SOUNDS GORGEOUS!

WE ARE TAKING A BREAK NEXT WEEK SO I CAN FIGURE OUT THE A-LIST SONGS AND GET THE WORDS TO WORK...

AND THEN WE WILL BE BACK INTO SINGING AND OVERDUBS AND RE-RECORDS AND MIXING...

STILL HOPING FOR A HALLOWEEN RELEASE
BUT UNTIL IT HAPPENS...

IS THIS NEWS?!!
RX"

As a comment on Chain of Flowers noted, the tracking comment implies the album isn't being recorded live like The Cure was.

And speaking of said album -- there's a recent interview with Roger O'Donnell which has these comments:

Roger: Robert and I stopped making each other happy. It wasn’t a good relationship anymore. I didn’t like the way things were going and he didn’t like my ideas. I didn’t like the recording of the last album. I didn’t working with Ross Robinson, I felt like he wasn’t stretching the band. I’m proud of my time in The Cure. I love Robert. I just needed to do something else. That last album just wasn’t fun. Robert says he enjoyed recording the last album, but the rest of us didn’t.

SLUG: I got the feeling that by the time I saw the Curiosa festival in Denver that no one was enjoying themselves.
Roger: Curiosa wasn’t what Cure fans wanted. They want the Cure to play for three hours, not pay $65 dollars to see Interpol and a bunch of other bands they could see for $15 any other day. The promoters didn’t like it because they lost money. Curiosa was an idea of someone’s outside the group who didn’t understand the band or the fans. I never felt Curiosa was a good idea; it didn’t work. The band wasn’t the same anymore. It wasn’t about having fun or being happy. A lot of people connected with the group felt like The Cure hadn’t been exploited and there was a lot of money that could be made. They didn’t realize that the band had been successful because they hadn’t been commercial.

SLUG: I liked the new album at first but after awhile it felt like it was recorded by a tribute band.
Roger: It’s funny that you say that because Simon said that we’d become our own tribute band. I didn’t want to just play on the past.

A little something to take on board. (I gotta say Roger's comment about wanting to see the Cure for a three hour set rather than a festival was and is exactly how I felt about Curiosa, and I can only hope to hell they don't repeat that.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Thanks for this Ned!

I didn't go to Curiosa because of those very reasons, too much money ect. I had seen them on every tour since The Top but missed them during the Wild Mood Swings and then Curiosa.

Can't wait for some new stuff without Ross Robinson producing it.

BeeOK (boo radley), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Honestly, I can't really see/hear the Robinson influence on the last album. If anything, he might have convinced them to take less chances and release a sort of 'recap' album, hoping to re-connect with the youth of America. I guess that was also the rationale behind Curiosa.

Baaderonixx rides the neon lights (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 07:01 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought there was a very noticeable Robinson influence on the last album. The guitars sounded like they were being played by a computer in a back room while Robert sang over them. But I still really liked parts of the album. It's impossible for me not to.

matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:49 (sixteen years ago) link

a lot of the songs are great, but the production and mixing is aggravating. and, hardly any audible keyboards. bah

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I really agree with that kyle. The songs deserved a much better treatment because it seemed they could have been genuinely great.

matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:56 (sixteen years ago) link

See, this is why the UK version of The Cure is urgent and key; not having "Going Nowhere", "Fake" and "Truth, Goodness and Beauty" on the album greatly diminishes it.

Dan (Yay Imports) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I still need to get that.

matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Again, what Dan said, shock horror surprise.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:17 (sixteen years ago) link

And didn't the US vinyl and Japanese CD have even one other track or something?

matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I thought it was the UK vinyl that also includes "This Morning" (which is also URGENT and KEY). You can get all three on the "End Of The World" single and then sequence them together on your iPod.

Dan (PRESTO) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:20 (sixteen years ago) link


still think the self-titled record is strong, even stronger with the aforementioned extra tracks, but haven't listened to it since it came out. i hadn't liked a Cure record for - yikes - 12 years before that one came out.

PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh, I love that album, don't misunderstand me! I think "Lost", "Labyrinth", "Before Three" and "Anniversary" alone make the album essential.

Dan (I CAN'T FIND MYSELF) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't know, I really liked it upon release, but I quickly lost interest. I played it a few weeks ago and it didn't really grab my interest. It feels a bit conventional and could do with some better dynamics.

Baaderonixx rides the neon lights (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:05 (sixteen years ago) link

"I think "Lost", "Labyrinth", "Before Three" and "Anniversary" alone make the album essential"

OTM.
I said it before, but not many bands can record a song like "Lost" after a 25-year long career.
For all the production shortcomings, at least they tried it hard with that album - or, at least, someone in the band tried it hard.
Probably, if the whole group was really into it, final results could have been a lot better.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I think my fave is 'I don't know what's going on'

Baaderonixx rides the neon lights (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh well, it was better than WMS and Bloodflowers anyway. But yeah, I think the sign of a good Cure album is when the album tracks have more staying power than the the singles. Not really the case of 'The Cure'. Roger is nice isn't he?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Ned, we should get together and write the urgent and key Cure book. Let's do this.

In any event, I don't buy Roger's indignation that it was an RS album and nobody enjoyed it. It's not like the Cure were ever less/more than RS's band. Sounds like another falling out over the impotence O'Donnell et al are willing to ignore for sake of joining the carnival; there's always the big standoff when pride catches up with them, and RS always wins. There's almost always someone in the splitter's ear...Babacar you say?

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't know. Many tracks from Bloodflowers eventually grew on me. Nothing from 'The Cure' really ever did. It's kind of an overambitious mess. And RS's rationale for it being self-titled as it 'embodied the essence of The Cure sound' (I'm liberally paraphrasing) seems way off, don't it?

The Curiosa show set at Randall's Island WAS too short, but not many bands that old could touch the quality. I'm glad someone recommended purchase of the Trilogy DVD to me, tho. They should just tour!

bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 01:41 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...
In studio earlier this month:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/Curestudio06.jpg

Meantime, Perry Bamonte speaks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Also, various stories are popping up indicating a release on Halloween.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 19:39 (sixteen years ago) link

(Whoops, as mentioned above by the man himself. Well, reconfirmations, then.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Am I the only person in the world who thought the best track on The Cure was 'The Promise'?

I am, aren't I?

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link

If it's half as good as the last one, it'll be terrible.

Bring back Boris!!!

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 27 July 2006 01:15 (sixteen years ago) link

they were so good at the Royal Albert Hall earlier this year, no supports, the show was over three hours long, they played practically everything, including the majority of the setlist from that Paris '82 'pornography tour' bootleg, some surprises too ('the blood', 'hot hot hot', some really old stuff during the encores, etc). It was great to see Porl Thompson back in the band, sounded a bit more stripped down and obviously more guitars-driven than before. i guess it's 'never enough'...

thomas (thomas), Thursday, 27 July 2006 08:57 (sixteen years ago) link

they were so good at the Royal Albert Hall earlier this year,

Yeah, I've got a recording of that and it was mindblowingly great.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 July 2006 11:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Really?

Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Thursday, 27 July 2006 11:55 (sixteen years ago) link

they need to recreate the singular glory of 'the top'. when they do that I shall finally be satisfied with smith and company

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 27 July 2006 13:06 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Jagger OTMFM

baaderonixx, Friday, 23 February 2007 10:36 (fifteen years ago) link

*takes a bow*

Any news on this new Cure album then? Also, any love for 'The Promise'?

unfished business, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:01 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't even remember how it sounds like since I disliked it very early on and then systematically skipped it. To be honest, I can't deal with Cure songs over the 7 mn mark anymore (well, except if they're called 'Same Deep Water As You').

baaderonixx, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:41 (fifteen years ago) link

FROM THE EDGE OF THE DEEP GREEN SEA + HOMESICK + WATCHING YOU FALL, DAMMIT

unfished business, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Homesick is over the 7mn limit? Well I'll keep that one then.

baaderonixx, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Now if only they would give this new album a name.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:10 (fifteen years ago) link

More Songs About Aquanet and Flattering Black Overcoats

David R., Friday, 23 February 2007 18:46 (fifteen years ago) link

oh, and 'Pictures Of You' and 'Disintegration', and sadly not 'End' which falls 15 seconds short (it's one of my top 5 Cure songs)

unfished business, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link

More Songs About Aquanet and Flattering Black Overcoats

I read 'flattering' as 'fattening' and thought 'same diff.'

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Just listened to Bloodflowers once and it was like being harshly pubished for someone else's sin.

Just needed to share--thx.

i, grey, Saturday, 24 February 2007 07:19 (fifteen years ago) link

harshly pubished

Sounds like a stage direction in a Bruce LaBruce film.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 February 2007 07:23 (fifteen years ago) link

ha1

i, grey, Saturday, 24 February 2007 07:35 (fifteen years ago) link

The Cure made a special appearance for the taping of "MTV Unplugged: Korn" on December 9th. The highlight of the evening - for both Jonathan Davis and his audience - was the arrival of Robert Smith and the rest of his band, the Cure (guitarist Porl Thompson, bassist Simon Gallup and drummer Jason Cooper), for an acoustic mash-up that blended Korn's "Make Me Bad" with the Cure's "In Between Days."

cutty, Saturday, 24 February 2007 08:03 (fifteen years ago) link

acoustic mash-up

er

Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 06:00 (fifteen years ago) link

http://cache.umusic.com/MCAImageUpload/1528083-Full.030.jpg

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 06:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Is this album that was suppossed to be released last year in OCTOBER ever going to be released?

Still waiting...

othervoices, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Since Robert Smith has joined Korn, all plans are currently on hold.

baaderonixx, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Very good interview with RS just came up: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/news.htm

baaderonixx, Monday, 12 March 2007 09:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Ooooh, and he's on Paul Hartnoll's single, didn't know that. (March 8 topic on that Chain Of Flowers site)

StanM, Monday, 12 March 2007 10:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Did someone watch the "Festival" dvd? Because it was nice for me to see the band playing tight and angry, finally willing to shake the formula a little after years of honest-but-not-so-exciting shows.

Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:19 (fifteen years ago) link

three months pass...

from pitchfork:

The Cure Announce Tour, Ready New Album

The Cure have just announced the North American leg of their 2007 world tour, which means that Asians and Australians won't be the only ones treated to a healthy dose of makeup and mood this summer and fall.

The band are also readying their 13th studio album, the as-yet-untitled follow-up to their 2004 self-titled record, for a fall release on Suretone/Geffen.

Frontman Robert Smith, guitarist Porl Thompson, bassist Simon Gallup, and drummer Jason Cooper will begin their jaunt in Fuji, Japan on July 27, and they have shows scheduled through October 17 in Dallas at the oh-so-goth American Airlines Center.

Sheffield up-and-comers 65daysofstatic will open all of the North American shows.

Dates:

07-27 Fuji, Japan - Fuji Rock Festival
07-30 Hong Kong, China - Asia World Arena
08-01 Singapore, Singapore - Singapore Indoor Stadium
08-04 Perth, Australia - Challenge Stadium
08-06 Adelaide, Australia - Entertainment Centre
08-08 Brisbane, Australia - Entertainment Centre
08-10 Sydney, Australia - Entertainment Centre
08-12 Melbourne, Australia - Rod Laver Arena
09-13 Tampa, FL - St. Petersburg Times Forum *
09-15 Atlanta, GA - Gwinnett Civic Center *
09-17 Charlotte, NC - Charlotte Bobcats Arena *
09-19 Washington, DC - Patriot Center *
09-21 Philadelphia, PA - Wachovia Spectrum *
09-23 New York, NY - Madison Square Garden *
09-25 Boston, MA - Agganis Arena *
09-26 Montreal, Quebec - Bell Center *
09-27 Toronto, Ontario - Air Canada Centre *
09-29 Chicago, IL - Allstate Arena *
10-02 Denver, CO - Red Rocks Amphitheater *
10-04 Salt Lake City, UT - E Center *
10-06 Mountain View, CA - Shoreline Amphitheater (Download Festival) *
10-08 Seattle, WA - Key Arena *
10-09 Vancouver, British Columbia - General Motors Place *
10-11 Santa Barbara, CA - Santa Barbara Bowl *
10-13 San Diego, CA - Cox Arena *
10-14 Los Angeles, CA - Hollywood Bowl *
10-16 Houston, TX - Toyota Center *
10-17 Dallas, TX - American Airlines Center *

* with 65daysofstatic

Bee OK, Saturday, 23 June 2007 00:30 (fifteen years ago) link

i think i will be going this time around. i' missed them on the last tour and was the first time in years.

yeah Cure!

Bee OK, Saturday, 23 June 2007 00:43 (fifteen years ago) link

also he plays the old stuff in like that hip hop drummer school way

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 4 August 2017 05:05 (five years ago) link

In a lot of their peak fame photos it looks like some of them really didn't want to wear makeup and didn't look quite right.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, August 3, 2017 11:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I disagree! Nobody in their The Head on the Door up to Wish period looked out of place.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 06:10 (five years ago) link

Looking like they were made up against their will I thought was one of their trademarks!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 August 2017 11:52 (five years ago) link

A quick assessment of how cool The Cure looked circa The Cure In Orange...

Robert - cool as fuck.
Porl - cool as fuck.
Simon - cool as fuck.
Boris - cool as fuck.
Lol - not as cool as the others, but doesn't look like a twat and is still cooler than Jason Cooper so gets a pass.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 11:57 (five years ago) link

Now circa Trilogy...

Robert - fat aged goth
Simon - metal band reject
Roger - miserable old woman
Perry - blends in rather well... with the scenery
Jason - looks more like he should be the drummer for Robbie Williams or something.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 12:00 (five years ago) link

Harsh

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 4 August 2017 12:13 (five years ago) link

Because appearance is indicative of musical talent.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, 4 August 2017 18:51 (five years ago) link

Of course it isn't, it's just another way in which Cooper is unsuitable for The Cure.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 18:54 (five years ago) link

As not a member of the band, you're unsuitable to make such claims.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, 4 August 2017 18:59 (five years ago) link

A quick assessment of Cure drummers

Lol - Technically not a great drummer, although dealt with his limitations well and came up with a lot of good drum parts. The simplicity and starkness of his drumming was of great benefit to The Cure's material from the beginning up to Pornography. Second only to Boris in Cure drummer terms.

Steve - Only played on the 'Let's Go To Bed' single, and while the guy was never a "proper" member of The Cure, his chops are great - he also played on Costello's 'Watching The Detectives' ... would have been suitable for The Cure full time? Probably not.

Andy - The most underrated drummer in Cure history, could handle the likes of the thidding 'Shake Dog Shake' and the jazz-brush shuffle of 'The Lovecats' without too much trouble. Love his drumming on 'Bird Mad Girl' in particular.

Boris - The Cure drummer as far as I, and pretty much the majority of Curefans are concerned. Had a great sound and feel, and really knew how to craft drum parts that brought out the best in the material and contributed massively to the Cure's sound during their most commercially successful period. Check out 'The Walk' from The Cure In Orange - he plays every ounce of that drum machine beat exact. Superb.

Jason - The longest serving Cure drummer but also the most anonymous. Terrible drum sound, over-uses his cymbals and embellishes various Cure songs with unnecessary flourishes. Also terrible at the softer songs - very clattery.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:16 (five years ago) link

*thudding

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:17 (five years ago) link

As not a member of the band, you're unsuitable to make such claims.

― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, August 4, 2017 6:59 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

As a long-time fan of the band, I'm going to ignore you and make such claims anyway. Not that it should come as a surprise, since a hell of a lot of long-time fans have been saying the same thing for close to two decades - and they're right.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:20 (five years ago) link

Yeah, so to anyone just trying to catch up on the happenings in this topic: anybody who says Lol is "second only to Boris" should be immediately disregarded, as actual skill and musical talent means nothing to this person.

Turricantics, go back to defending Rush or some other shite music whose fans are as pedantically cunty as you are. Stop sullying up Cure topics with fashion assessments and idiotic, baseless grudges you're holding onto.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:28 (five years ago) link

I don't remember the Rush threads being pedantic.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 4 August 2017 19:39 (five years ago) link

I think any right-thinking Cure fan would say that Lol is second only to Boris in terms of contribution. Lol and Boris have contributed a lot of lasting, memorable work to the Cure canon. Jason hasn't.

Austin Allegro, stop trying to be me. You're terrible at it. You're great at "sullying" Cure topics by being "pedantically cunty", though, as anyone with a pair of eyes and the ability to scroll upwards can witness, which I guess also means you're terrible at self-awareness, too.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:43 (five years ago) link

I'm just going to post some songs I love off this album and pretend you guys aren't here.

https://youtu.be/SX8W_TXFyME

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:46 (five years ago) link

I love this song so much

https://youtu.be/wCgejr7z7fI

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:47 (five years ago) link

I don't remember Lol Tolhurst being a better drummer than Andy Anderson, and yet here we are.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:47 (five years ago) link

"Hungry Ghost" is my favourite. I thought the b-sides were quite weak but I think I like this album more than most of you.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 4 August 2017 19:50 (five years ago) link

This is a song where I think Jason works incredibly well; he pretty much thunders his way through the song and everyone else springboards off of his energy:

https://youtu.be/rnJkgEwLKb8

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:51 (five years ago) link

This is still my favorite of the singles and the one that translates best to a live setting:

https://youtu.be/A7Iicf6ATeY

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:53 (five years ago) link

Ah yeah, 'The Real Snow White' - one of my favourite tracks on the album, that. It's one of many that truly could have blossomed more if it wasn't for the awful production. I think that's the thing that irked me the most about 4:13 Dream, even moreso than the continued presence of Jason Cooper... it's that Robert Smith has been involved in making so many great sounding records, that 4:13 Dream for me was a case of "how did this happen? how did this recording/final mix end up sounding so dull, flat and lifeless?"

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:54 (five years ago) link

i like the fashion critiques! simon looks like the singer from LIT now

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 4 August 2017 19:54 (five years ago) link

My favorite of the b-sides; again, I really like Jason in full-on thunder mode and when the song kicks into full on fraught paranoia in the prechorus, it rules:

https://youtu.be/F4Gq0D88PyQ

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:55 (five years ago) link

I think this is probably the most underrated song on the album. It's not my favorite but every time I play it, I am struck by how much I enjoy it and wonder why it doesn't appear as anyone's 2nd or 3rd favorite:

https://youtu.be/w0HGRkYOEEU

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:58 (five years ago) link

The thing about songs like 'It's Over' and 'Switch' is that I can't help but imagine how much they'd rule if Boris had played on 'em.

Andy Anderson is technically a better drummer than Lol but Lol came up with iconic drum parts like the ones on 'The Figurehead', 'The Hanging Garden', 'Siamese Twins' etc. Andy did however play drums on 'The Lovecats', which alone means he's made more of a contribution to the Cure canon drumming-wise than Jason has in his whole stint.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:00 (five years ago) link

This song is a little "latter-period Cure, lol" but it still works, especially the prechorus:

https://youtu.be/cHagAp8CVo0

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:01 (five years ago) link

i like the fashion critiques! simon looks like the singer from LIT now

― kurt schwitterz, Friday, August 4, 2017 7:54 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hahahaha! I'd never quite made the connection, but yeah!

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:02 (five years ago) link

I agree with RAG, this song bangs:

https://youtu.be/6IvdTyvWaGo

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:04 (five years ago) link

"Hungry Ghost" is my favourite. I thought the b-sides were quite weak but I think I like this album more than most of you.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, August 4, 2017 7:50 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think 4:13 Dream is a great collection of songs! Actually, I'd go as far as saying that stylistically it was quite refreshing coming after the more ponderous Bloodflowers and the Ross Robinson-ness of The Cure ... but the way that the songs are recorded/produced/mixed/arranged and even (in places) played does them no favours. I'm sure they didn't set out to make a lousy sounding record, but it does often feel to me that they took this great batch of songs and shat on them.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:09 (five years ago) link

i looove "sleep when i'm dead"

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:09 (five years ago) link

'Sleep When I'm Dead' was written around the time of The Head on the Door, iirc?

I actually really like 'This. Here and Now. With You', even though I'm pretty sure that DJP hates it.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:12 (five years ago) link

The thing that struck me most was how accessible the album is. Everything from Kiss Me to the selftitled album taken a long time for me to digest but 4:13 Dream was as easy as Boys Don't Cry.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 4 August 2017 20:39 (five years ago) link

When I heard 'Freakshow' for the first time, I thought "shit, haven't heard them do a song like this for a while!"

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:50 (five years ago) link

Also, Andy was not able to play the triplets on '100 Years' either, so he must be crap, right?

uhh

https://youtu.be/ApKZ1mOLbIY?t=2721


If the date on that video is right (November '84), that's Boris.

Birds in Hell, Friday, 4 August 2017 22:38 (five years ago) link

That is indeed Boris' first ever show with the band.

Not that he's playing the triplets, either. But, carry on.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, 4 August 2017 22:59 (five years ago) link

^ Pedantically cunty post.

more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 5 August 2017 09:20 (five years ago) link

I heard that Jason can't even play a triplet.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 August 2017 13:52 (five years ago) link

I checked and that's actually Boris' 10th or so show with the Cure - but mostly pretty impressive stuff. Haven't heard the few with Vince from Psychedelic Furs.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Saturday, 5 August 2017 14:28 (five years ago) link

v surprised by how much i love "the reasons why"

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 09:15 (five years ago) link

q: why isn't "without you" on this record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHht5Ugv_7o

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 23:36 (five years ago) link

lotta wacky bob vocalizations but it totally sweeps me away anyway

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 23:41 (five years ago) link

i bought all three singles but never really listened to them before, so thanks Brad.

i have been listening to 4:13 Dream non-stop since we have been on a Cure kick on ILM. still not a fan of the production but really, really like this album. if they cut a couple of songs off it, what could have been. i would say their best since Wish.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 00:15 (five years ago) link

Bee, there were four singles from this album!

'The Only One' b/w 'NY Trip'
'Freakshow' b/w 'All Kinds of Stuff'
'The Perfect Boy' b/w 'Without You'
'Sleep When I'm Dead' b/w 'Down Under'

'Without You' and 'Down Under' are fantastic.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 01:20 (five years ago) link

All Kinds of Stuff rules, too

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 02:04 (five years ago) link

I'm not really a fan. Good b-side fodder, though.

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 03:43 (five years ago) link

I mean, I liked it better when they recorded it in 1986 and it was called 'A Japanese Dream.'

he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 03:55 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

How have I noticed heard this before?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEdos_du2Zw

Bee OK, Thursday, 17 November 2022 06:57 (two weeks ago) link

Not sure how not turned into noticed there.

Bee OK, Thursday, 17 November 2022 07:01 (two weeks ago) link


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