who is Bob Lefsetz?

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I find myself all of a sudden talking with "industry people" -- not my chosen path. Quite a few tell me to sign up for the "Bob Lefsetz Letter." So I do. It's an email list, where this person writes screeds that seem to be about 1) hating music festivals 2) the tropical paradise he's visiting 3) using CAPTIAL LETTERS in the middle of otherwise PASSIVE STATEMENTS

The people that recommended this list are a bit older, ex-radio guys or digital music industry guys. I google for Mr. Lefsetz but can only find "Industry Legend" as a bio. I like a little context with my rants-- why am I reading these emails? Who is this guy? Is it a Dvorak-style amalgam of ex-ATN writers taking the piss? Is it Ned Raggett?

neustile (neustile), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:01 (fourteen years ago) link

As to the last question, no. Never heard of this Bob guy before, to my knowledge.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Hmm! I have read some issues of the "Lefsetz Letter" - when it still was a printed-on-paper-and-everything thing-y, waaay back in the early 90s :)
Well it was, well, well fun to read then, I recall. I've no idea what he writes about, and how, these days.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

For a taste, the latest mail just came in:


But I've got to warn you. There are SEA CUCUMBERS!

Oh, you wear reef shoes. But littered on the bottom of the ocean are these...well, CUCUMBERS! But they're alive. And squishy. And they urinate. And it's almost so gross you don't want to go in. You CERTAINLY don't want to step on one.

...

neustile (neustile), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 03:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Not that they're his only audience, but older music industry professionals who don't have a strong grasp of the Internet seem to believe Lefsetz is the one peer with a finger on its pulse. I see some of his stuff via other email lists and tend to find him wrong.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 03:38 (fourteen years ago) link

extremely old industry legend fart who used to like music when it was, ya know, BETTER. hates young people. probably hates old people too. undoubtedly hates HIMSELF. so consistently and hilariously WRONG that sometimes he's actually RIGHT.

"Dvorak-style amalgam of ex-ATN writers taking the piss" is the FUNNIEST PHRASE I HAVE READ ALL DAY though i don't know why.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 03:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Lefsetz's blog is at http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/

He also turns up on the Rhino podcast with hystronic tirades about The State Of Things and endless flashbacks to his life in the 70s when things were So Much Better. In short, he's one of the Ghost World record collectors only with an income.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 04:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Actually, I heard he was Luther Campbell.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 04:42 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

You know what brings you back, again and again, to Bob Lefsetz? It's the PASSION. Oh, you can try to stay away. You can subscribe to a million other blogs. You can tell yourself that music's changed, or that you've changed, or that you don't understand anymore. But you know what? It's not that you've got older - it's that your generation has lost touch! They've SOLD OUT. And it's the KIDS on the INTERNET with thei iPods and their Blackberries who are reminding you why you got into this WHOLE CRAZY FUCKING BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. It's the MUSIC! Oh, you can tell yourself it isn't. BUT IT IS. And if you don't listen, you and every other exec LEECHING off the hindquarters of a MEMORY is going to BITE THE FUCKING DUST!

moley, Sunday, 24 June 2007 10:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Heheh.
I unsubscribed offa the Lef'Letter again awhile ago.

t**t, Sunday, 24 June 2007 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Seriously though his blog is my fave industry read and has been for a while now.

moley, Monday, 25 June 2007 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link

omg somebody's gotta imagebomb this dude and his ridiculous opinions

Another thread on him. Also, Chuck mentioned and quoted a recent Lefsetz country music and Sirius radio thing on the Rolling Country thread.

curmudgeon, Monday, 25 June 2007 04:53 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

His most recent column begins 'I was at the psychiatrist today...'. Magnificent. We are Lefsetz FANATICS at our house. Oh, you can laugh. But that's because you're HISTORY.

moley, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 11:04 (thirteen years ago) link

How about that T.I. diatribe...Is he right about touring rock bands having more sustained longevity than rappers or pop acts?

But I'll take T.I. over Rory Gallagher and many of the washed-up blooz-rockers and classic-rock dudes he loves.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 11:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Is he right about touring rock bands having more sustained longevity than rappers or pop acts?...YES

...he must have a lot of time on his hands and he reminds me of mixerman

pollywog, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 12:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Who's mixerman? I think Lefsetz is a retired music biz attorney.

One of his pet themes is that only individuals whom he says audiences perceive as 'real' will have lasting careers. He says this does not include American Idol performers and most rappers and pop acts.

Nelly Furtado Thursday 6/7/07 The WaMu Theater at Madison Square Garden, New York, NY Gross: $316,400 4,992/4,992 (100% Ticket prices: $65.00/$45.00 That was her best gig. In Boston, she did 3,644 out of 6,500 (56.1%). In Sayreville, NJ, she did 1,165 out of 2,050 (56.8%). In Detroit, she did 1,761 out of 2,585 (68.1%). In Grand Prairie, TX, she did 2,375 out of 2,503 (94.9%). In other words, she did SHITTY! And these weren't big halls to begin with, positively small, THEATRES! Her album has sold 1,873,719 copies, it's still number 50 on the chart A YEAR LATER! In other words, record sales don't mean shit. Work with Timbaland all you want. Have a hit on Top Forty radio that fewer people are listening to every day. Most people are not paying attention. They don't think you're REAL! Real acts don't conspire with a multitude of people, the usual suspects, to create their of the moment music. No one's even going to REMEMBER her tracks half a decade from now. No one's even going to PLAY them! (Have you heard Eminem recently?) It's not about music being stolen, that's not the big story in the music business today. It's about the bifurcation in its soul. Touring used to reflect record sales. No longer is this the case. And the real acts, the lasting acts, can all do good live business. The public got the memo, the press has not. As for the major labels? If they want a taste of every piece of the pie they've got to be trustworthy, have the act's best interests at heart. Ain't that a laugh.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link

so bob thinks the PUBLIC wants REAL, but it's hard to notice that said public has responded to THE REAL BOB himself by leaving ZERO COMMENTS so far on his latest blog post. ZERO COMMENTS on the post before that. ZERO COMMENTS on his LAST FOUR POSTS, in fact. the one before that elicited ONE COMMENT. so maybe everyone's talking about him but NO ONE CARES. most people are not paying attention. in other words, capital-letter posts about THE REAL don't mean shit. on the other hand, matthew fluxblog, champion of the pop, the artificial, the unreal, got 14 COMMENTS on his most recent posts. and 20 COMMENTS on the one before that. and 12 comments for his thoughts on KELLY CLARKSON. take that, bob!

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 05:44 (thirteen years ago) link

So who's READING these blogs? The Arizona girl you met at UCLA you secretly wanted to fuck? NO! That aging A&R rep with the combover whose ass you wanted to kick cos he thought he was DOWN with the kids? NO-ONE who CARES about MUSIC reads BLOGS! They're too busy LIVING! And what do they want as their soundtrack to life? Music about LOVE - love gained, love lost, love refrigerated briefly prior to baking. LOVE is what keeps us coming back to music. NOT blogs. NOT UCLA postgrad programs. NOT even Arizona girls. And especially not Matthew fucking PERPETUA.

moley, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 07:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Who's mixerman?

http://www.mixerman.net/diaries_main.php

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 07:56 (thirteen years ago) link

With just a few changes to the word lists, Lefsetz could pass for a SubGenius spewbot.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 07:57 (thirteen years ago) link

ctrl-f HITS not found

hstencil, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 08:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Bob always quotes 2 types of e-mail responses he gets (as many folks receive his stuff via e-mail rather than looking at his site)--from retired or current folks in the biz, or from ordinary folks who tell him how much they love 'real' music and then proceed to enthuse about the most bland middlebrow rock. The tone in both types of responses are often pretty amusing.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link

But I'll take T.I. over Rory Gallagher

Any sane person would. (Which says it all.)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link

http://youtube.com/watch?v=laBpl0TPaNg

P'zone, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link

I never heard of this guy until yesterday, but his old timer shtick is kind of entertaining, I read it hearing the voice of Bob "The Kid Stays In The Picture" Evans, and then think of the Martin Landau character from Entourage.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Subscribed a couple of weeks ago after someone mentioned him on the Radiohead thread, I tried, but I just don't get it, unsubscribed again.

Random thoughts that go nowhere, boasting about scoring a tour jacket from a 70's Clapton tour, comments from people who apparently do get what he means, irrelevant grumpy old man stuff, nothing I want to read about several times a day.

Am I missing something or is that it?

StanM, Thursday, 25 October 2007 08:38 (thirteen years ago) link

His rants against the music biz, while largely predictable at this point, are often entertaining reading. Same goes for his stories of his life and his nostalgia.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 25 October 2007 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Article on Lefsetz in the Washington Post

moley, Monday, 31 March 2008 02:35 (twelve years ago) link

The fact that he is "one of the music industry's most influential analysts" speaks volumes. If you pretend you're reading an Onion editorial his pieces are entertaining though.

Mark Rich@rdson, Monday, 31 March 2008 02:56 (twelve years ago) link

When I worked at Rhino, I'd hear stories about Bob's refusals to edit his histrionic rants. Consequently, most 'casts were 90 percent wall-bouncing froth over Spirit's Dr. Sardonicus and tear-soaked Aspen weekends in '75 when MUSIC and LOVE were REAL and YOUNG, 10 percent contributions from actual Rhino employees.

Terrible Cold, Monday, 31 March 2008 16:30 (twelve years ago) link

He's like Lsetz, the Dean of Music Analysis.

StanM, Monday, 31 March 2008 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

Oh not that guy again. There was also this interesting take on Feist.

sonderangerbot, Monday, 31 March 2008 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

ugh.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 31 March 2008 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

he reminds me of ben gazzara as jackie treehorn: "we used to have a little thing called production values... FEELINGS..."

gff, Monday, 31 March 2008 20:57 (twelve years ago) link

That and the Onion editorial comment both made me roffle.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 31 March 2008 21:03 (twelve years ago) link

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Elvis Telecom, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

I kinda like reading his rants as SubGenius devival art but the guy can't be bothered to put the full text of his posts in his RSS feed so screw it.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

LOL at his anti-Ticketmaster rant. Welcome to 1994 Bob!

MC, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:08 (twelve years ago) link

four weeks pass...

oh man is he ever happy about the new Tom Petty

J0hn D., Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

Mudcrutch vs. Tin Machine

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

I'm officially starting the trend of calling them The Crutch.

dudes don't harsh The Crutch

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

dude, The Crutch killed it last nite at the cow palace

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:17 (twelve years ago) link

Pure seventies. Pure magic.

tylerw, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:18 (twelve years ago) link

dude the crutch don't know any other way to rock.

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

Pure seventies. Pure magic.

this was totally my favorite line

J0hn D., Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:25 (twelve years ago) link

Kind of sums it all up, doesn't it?

tylerw, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

White Room

by Bob Lefsetz

The sixties were different. They were light, and dark, and nothing in between. Today we live in the gray. In the onslaught of media, nothing sticks out, nothing is in relief, we're all hiding in our bunkers, trying to figure it all out. But, in the sixties, we ventured out, we wanted to experience IT ALL!

In the sixties there was context. It wasn't like today, where without a major hype campaign nobody knows the story. We only had three TV networks. "Rolling Stone" didn't come on the scene until the end of the decade. There were limited media outlets, and we paid attention. The big breakthrough was FM underground radio, and you were lucky if you had an outlet in your community, where you could hear Cream.

Cream was something you heard about from your friends. You went over to somebody's house and they played you "Sunshine Of Your Love". Pete Townshend eventually sang about one note, pure and easy, playing so free, but really it was one RIFF that people lined up behind. And that riff, the one that got it all started, was the one from "Sunshine Of Your Love".

Listen to "Sunshine Of Your Love" today, you'll be STUNNED how little is on the record. God, it sounds like there were NO overdubs, just a power trio laying it down. Still, it wasn't just the notes Clapton was playing, it was the SOUND of those notes. There was a RICHNESS in this hard rock, a SWEETNESS! This wasn't music for boys only, this was music for EVERYBODY with genitals. It had such a weird effect on you, hearing this sound, you felt it in different parts of your body, your brain, your lower abdomen and your groin. Right after the set-up, after the richness, there's this bit of distortion in the guitar, you feel like you're in it for the long haul, to climax, four minutes hence.

Hearing "Sunshine Of Your Love" you had to buy "Disraeli Gears". And that's when you discovered it, the essence, opening side two.

Today the label picks the track, and what's left of radio takes instruction, it's all a CAMPAIGN, which you're AWARE OF! But listening to FM back then was like listening to XM today. Your relationship is with the DEEJAY! Not his voice, not his inane rap like on Sirius, but his CHOICES! That's why we love people, because of who they ARE! And when you heard "Tales Of Brave Ulysses" on the radio your life was made, the same way when Mike Marrone plays some obscure cut that only I thought I knew it makes my day.

One can argue quite strongly the first Cream album is the best. The sound isn't as good as "Disraeli Gears", but overall the songs are BETTER!

But after "Disraeli Gears", the songs got worse. Except for the unexpected "Badge", NOTHING was the caliber of what came before. Still, there was a huge hit on "Wheels Of Fire", a simple song, but one with a monster riff so exquisite that we were touched once again. It was just the SOUND of Clapton's guitar, it sounded like he was WEEPING! But then Ginger hit the drum, and Jack sang richly. Yes, as great as Clapton was, Jack's vocals were a key element of the band.

The dude who made available the MP3s of the Royal Albert Hall show left three out, the last three numbers of the concert. He hopped to, posted them on the site, and I just downloaded them, and heard "White Room".

I don't understand flying around the world to see a band. That's not what rock and roll is about. Rock and roll is about scraping up every dollar you've got, eating the equivalent of dog food just so you can AFFORD to go to the gig. The gig isn't an afterthought, ONE thing you can acquire, experience, but the ONLY thing!

While we were experiencing flower power in the U.S., the Brits were experiencing rain. The music from across the pond was different from ours. It wasn't sunny, it was dark. Made in the U.K., it was America's dark underbelly. It coexisted with Monkees hits. It was necessary, for balance.

Flying across the pond forty years later has NO darkness. Unless you saved up every last dollar you had and slept on the street in order to go.

And, going was SO much different then. You went ALL THE TIME! Because the tickets were CHEAP! Under five bucks. The concert experience wasn't about preferred parking and alcohol, it was about the MUSIC!

And that music can be heard in Cream's rendition of "White Room" on May 5th.

Eric gets that unique guitar sound. But really, it's Ginger's drums. You can hear the FEROCITY!

And then, on top of it all, in comes Jack.

Oh, he's singing along, all those words you remember. And then you hear it...

"I'll wait in this place where the sun never shines Wait in this place where the shadows run from themselves"

I'm waiting for this place to return. Where business trumps art. Where creativity is revered over music. Where the messiah returns.

Religious zealots think the messiah is going to come from heaven. Down to save us.

But I don't believe that. I don't believe in a higher power. I believe in people. Their ability to triumph, do the right thing, against incredible odds.

Here, just before the show is over, almost two hours into it, having deliv ered upon expectations, Cream FINALLY throws off the limitations and just RIPS! THIS is music-making. When you're no longer going by the rehearsal, when you're just WINGING IT! When you stop concentrating on being together, do your own thing and it all FALLS INTO PLACE!

And a little over halfway through the number, Eric finally takes center stage, he finally WAILS! Not in the way he has for the past thirty years, but the way he did with John Mayall, as a SIDEMAN! In the tradition of great bluesmen, he's taking his LICKS! He's just part of the club.

And all these years later, it's still a championship team.

Mr. Big STFU (ojo), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:56 (eleven years ago) link

How many of his letters start out with something about the sixties or the classic era being "different"?

& other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:03 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

Lefzetz meets Pitchfork, world implodes.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:30 (nine years ago) link

That’s the world we now live in, everybody’s boasting, trying to pull themselves up the socioeconomic ladder. It’s all about lifestyle baby!

But not Bosch. Harry Bosch is a cop. He can’t let the cold cases slip his mind. He wants the perps to pay. He’ll push the limits, but he won’t go past them. He’s on a mission, he wants to nail people. And not only the destitute and poor, but the rich who believe they’re above the law.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 April 2020 21:34 (eight months ago) link

Lefsetz for Hire

Lefsetz P.I.

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 12:42 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

just like with Jeffrey Epstein, when a billionaire gives you money...you take it and shut up.

fact checking cuz, Friday, 5 June 2020 01:02 (seven months ago) link

Every revival of this thread feels like a microaggression.

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Friday, 5 June 2020 01:05 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

you haven't lived until you've received an email from lefsetz on a summer afternoon with the subject "lesbian tiktok"

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 20:19 (six months ago) link

Oh Lord Pac...

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:51 (six months ago) link

xp please help i've been clicking the link in yr post for an hour to no avail...

lumen (esby), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:52 (six months ago) link

words from the Lef

https://lefsetz.com/wordpress/

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 14:57 (six months ago) link

Skipping 1152 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Huh.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 9 July 2020 02:06 (six months ago) link

Load

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 July 2020 13:06 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

I'm texting even though it's two in the morning, if my recipients didn't turn off the ringer, they deserve to be woken up!

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 12:29 (four months ago) link

In other words, Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion are not doing anything the men haven’t done before. Rock was built on sex (and sexism). We even had a band called “Whitesnake,” which released an album whose title track was “Slide It In” (which was quite good, in fact).

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 19:08 (four months ago) link

i mean, he's not wrong, but. . . gross.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 19:10 (four months ago) link

Never heard Slide It In, but today happened to be the first time I ever looked into the verse lyrics from Rock You Like a Hurricane

It's early morning, the sun comes out
Last night was shaking and pretty loud
My cat is purring, it scratches my skin
So what is wrong with another sin?
The bitch is hungry, she needs to tell
So give her inches and feed her well
More days to come, new places to go
I've got to leave, it's time for a show

peace, man, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 19:15 (four months ago) link

That's actually relieving. I had thought for years it was "beat her well", which was far more disturbing.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 19:19 (four months ago) link

OK, yeah, that's a definite "f".

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 19:21 (four months ago) link

Idk where I read the other one.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 19:22 (four months ago) link

yeah scorpions definitely get skeezy and it's amplified by the odd word choices i'm assuming resulting from them being german writing in english

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 21:19 (four months ago) link

Slide It In is a good album.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 22:22 (four months ago) link

my irreverent whitesnake story:

they recorded this song on their first album, which is a cover of the bobby bland tune. i knew it from here. before i was aware of the connection, an old coworker played that whitesnake album by chance one day and i thought it was supremely hilarious when that song came on.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 23:27 (four months ago) link

subject line: "only fans"

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TanTediousGalapagoshawk-max-1mb.gif

whiney on the moon (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 23:15 (four months ago) link

No surprise, Lefsetz a porn scholar

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 26 August 2020 03:09 (four months ago) link

No surprise, Lefsetz a porn scholar

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 26 August 2020 03:09 (four months ago) link

do you guys think he knows that he has an entire thread of 1200++ posts dedicated to poking fun at him?

i like think he reads it occasionally. hi bob. i loathe you and am equally fascinated by you.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 03:23 (four months ago) link

I saw "the Lefsetz Letter" referenced IRL recently, in some artist's press blurb. Gave me the jeebies.

“Pizza House!” (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 04:14 (four months ago) link

He seems like a guy who has Google alerts set up about himself

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 13:15 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

jfc

And the cradle will no longer rock.

That's my favorite Van Halen song. It sounds so alive, but Eddie Van Halen isn't.

i got a homogenic björk wine farmer permabanned (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 21:57 (three months ago) link

lol this fuckin' hack

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 22:00 (three months ago) link

i mean, favorites are subjective and he's technically not wrong about everything else.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 23:08 (three months ago) link

"Yes, we are still 'Jump'-ing but Eddie can't because he's dead of throat cancer."

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 October 2020 01:51 (three months ago) link

"Sammy can't drive 55 because he's over the legal limit on Cabo Wabo, and Wolfie can't drive because his learner's permit expired, but Eddie can't because he expired, earlier today, after years of battling throat cancer in a body ravaged by alcohol abuse"

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Wednesday, 7 October 2020 02:54 (three months ago) link

lol im dying

sadly, eddie has literally died, and is dead

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 7 October 2020 12:52 (three months ago) link

And now time has told us that Eddie could not stand the test of time

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 7 October 2020 14:21 (three months ago) link

Eddie Van Halen, age 65, has finished what he started and now it is we who are incomplete.

📺👁️ (peace, man), Wednesday, 7 October 2020 14:31 (three months ago) link

Somebody Get Me a Doctor (to certain the death of Eddie Van Halen)

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 15:07 (three months ago) link

With the passing of Eddie there are undoubtedly a number of very sad Van Halen fans throughout the world, it's unlikely that Jamie's the only one cryin'.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 7 October 2020 20:39 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

Rock and roll doesn't need you. You see rock and roll is a band of outsiders.

There, I said it.

... (Eazy), Monday, 9 November 2020 12:54 (two months ago) link

then again, Lefsetz seems more of a Wally Tax kind of guy to me:

https://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-62mwb/products/8071/images/8502/outsiders_-_monkey069__46886.1407170489.1280.1280.jpg?c=2

kiss some penis reference (breastcrawl), Monday, 9 November 2020 14:18 (two months ago) link

Stop depending on the rule of law.

We’re in an endless loop. The left keeps depending on the system, and the right rigs the system and then the left is positively STUNNED when things don’t work out its way. Were there any consequences for DeJoy slowing down the mail? Of course not, he just stonewalled, and ignored the government and judicial orders. He said removing sorting machines was de rigueur and there was no way to reinsert them and…HE GOT AWAY WITH IT! Yes folks, in plain sight Trump and his cronies put their finger on the scale with absolutely no consequences....

Sure, he may concede, or at least agree to go, even as I write this, but I wouldn’t bet on it. Meanwhile, with the support of his party apparatchiks Trump has succeeded in undermining the legitimacy of the election in the minds of 40% of the electorate, so even if Biden takes office, expect pushback, expect very little to get done.

Meanwhile, sorting the smoldering ashes all the Democrats can do is lament they didn’t move even FURTHER to the center. Yes, the reason people voted for Trump was the protests and “Defund the Police” and if we just shut up and obeyed orders and played the game properly, we’d win. That hasn’t worked for DECADES, if ever!

Meanwhile, AOC goes on record the DNC lives in the last century, focusing on TV and the mail as opposed to Facebook, and she’s excoriated by the same gang who keeps on losing, putting a stake in the heart of the Democratic Party, if not ultimately democracy itself....

Come on, rule of law, what did the police ever do for you? They won’t even come to a car accident anymore, and when you call for help they usually say there’s nothing they can do. But somehow the police keep being lauded, just like the military. Come on, the fighters are pawns who’ve been sent overseas by Bush and Cheney and why don’t we stop lauding those at the bottom and stop the bleeding by holding those at the top accountable?

Wall Street skates after ruining the economy twelve years ago and what’s the solution? GIVE THEM MORE MONEY! The news is littered with fat cats who gamed the system to get money from the government this spring, meanwhile, the hoi polloi, out of work, about to get kicked out of their dwellings, are getting no relief. McConnell says no relief before the election, which is still in play according to the Trumpians.

And, like an autocratic country, Republican elected officials are afraid of getting on the wrong side of Trump. Oh, we read in the left wing press, the same one that trumpeted inaccurate polls, that once Trump was defeated everybody would come back to their senses. HASN’T HAPPENED YET!... And all the DNC will tell us is we must appease the Trumpers… That didn’t work and it will never work. You’ve got to start a fire on your side that draws people to you, you don’t hobble your message to try and be accepted by the other side....

The Black Lives Matters protesters had it right, they were mad as hell and weren’t going to take it anymore. That’s what we need now, spontaneous demonstrations that evidence our power to Trump! Oh, you’re afraid, he controls the military, it’ll just add fuel to the fire. But are you winning? No, you keep depending on the system to make things right, but that hasn’t happened in four years, why should it happen now?

finding nuggets of truth in Lefsetz is a useful self-diagnostic tool - like, if you find yourself agreeing with him, you can choose to either amend where you know you're wrong, or just continue down the path of sounding more and more like Bob Lefsetz

― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, January 6, 2016 3:44 AM bookmarkflaglink

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 15 November 2020 14:09 (two months ago) link

this is the real lefsetz graf tho:

God, kids could not steal music, they needed to be told it was wrong and sued into submission. Did that work? NO! MySpace was huge, Friendster started the social network phenomenon, but did that keep them alive when a better mousetrap, i.e. Facebook, came along? Of course not. And Zuckerberg was smart enough to buy WhatsApp and Instagram to protect his mindshare, those in government woke up YEARS later! As for the public? It doesn’t care that Zuck owns and controls them all, it doesn’t even really care that’s it’s coughing up its privacy, the truth is the public hates to pay and that’s why Zuck proffers ads, and when Apple tries to hamper targeting, Zuck and the rest of the advertisers blow back and Apple postpones implementation. Do you know what I’m talking about? If not, maybe like AOC says you need to go online and follow the news, where it’s going. Yes, we’re never going back. As for Trump’s administration, there was almost no going back, even coal didn’t come back. DeVos emphasized private schools, the rich and powerful were taxed less and were unfettered and…

Do you know what I'm talking about? well not 100%, bob.

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 15 November 2020 14:11 (two months ago) link

Billy Corgan, asked ti cite his favourite bad review of the Smashing Pumpkins:

What I read a lot back in the day was criticism of our postmodernism, criticism of our restlessness, criticism of my voice, criticism of our desire to play rock, heavy rock — it’s just a lot of things that were attacking the immutable characteristics of the band. If a reviewer says in the first sentence, “I hate this guy’s voice,” where do you go from there? You’re going to hate everything. Even if it’s a well-executed song or it’s the best use of that voice in a particular way. That’s what I remember, just reading a lot of things that you would just sort of say, “Well, then why?” Why would this person even review the record? Why didn’t they give it to somebody who at least had an open mind or had never even heard the band or something?

You know what, here’s a good review. Here’s a good bad review. It’s not a record review — you know Bob Lefsetz? I did a thing a few years ago where Cheap Trick was playing Sgt. Pepper’s at the Hollywood Bowl. I was invited to be one of the guests. Onstage, I got to sing the John Lennon song “Julia,” about his mother, with Robin Zander, the lead singer of Cheap Trick. It was really beautiful. And Bob Lefsetz writes: “I normally hate Billy Corgan, but here I have to admit, he was good.” Stuff like that. He had to qualify by saying he normally hates me. He can’t just write, you know, “Billy Corgan, appearing here in not his normal vampire guise, did a nice rendition of ‘Julia’ with Robin Zander.” It was like: “Normally I hate this guy. But he did good here.”

huge rant (sic), Friday, 27 November 2020 22:17 (one month ago) link

lefsetz really doesn't like the idea of bob dylan selling his catalog, for whatever reason

la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Friday, 11 December 2020 00:25 (one month ago) link

wow that's one of the most reasonable billy corgan quotes i've ever read

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 11 December 2020 00:32 (one month ago) link

Billy can be legit funny (and “down-to-earth”) at times, which makes all his... other stuff all the more confounding.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Friday, 11 December 2020 00:46 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Yesterday I went for a Rituxan infusion. For my pemphigus foliaceus. I need two every six months, otherwise my skin starts becoming unglued, literally, and...

why tell us this? is this bob lefsetz or bob ducca?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHIegpSmIyw

boz conspiracy by toby hus (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 6 January 2021 13:25 (one week ago) link

You don't see hip-hop fans out protesting.

(context: he means in general. he isn't talking about maga protests in washington.)

fact checking cuz, Sunday, 10 January 2021 02:25 (five days ago) link

was june so long ago?

boz conspiracy by toby hus (voodoo chili), Sunday, 10 January 2021 02:45 (five days ago) link


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