who is Bob Lefsetz?

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I find myself all of a sudden talking with "industry people" -- not my chosen path. Quite a few tell me to sign up for the "Bob Lefsetz Letter." So I do. It's an email list, where this person writes screeds that seem to be about 1) hating music festivals 2) the tropical paradise he's visiting 3) using CAPTIAL LETTERS in the middle of otherwise PASSIVE STATEMENTS

The people that recommended this list are a bit older, ex-radio guys or digital music industry guys. I google for Mr. Lefsetz but can only find "Industry Legend" as a bio. I like a little context with my rants-- why am I reading these emails? Who is this guy? Is it a Dvorak-style amalgam of ex-ATN writers taking the piss? Is it Ned Raggett?

neustile (neustile), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:01 (fifteen years ago) link

As to the last question, no. Never heard of this Bob guy before, to my knowledge.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Hmm! I have read some issues of the "Lefsetz Letter" - when it still was a printed-on-paper-and-everything thing-y, waaay back in the early 90s :)
Well it was, well, well fun to read then, I recall. I've no idea what he writes about, and how, these days.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link

For a taste, the latest mail just came in:


But I've got to warn you. There are SEA CUCUMBERS!

Oh, you wear reef shoes. But littered on the bottom of the ocean are these...well, CUCUMBERS! But they're alive. And squishy. And they urinate. And it's almost so gross you don't want to go in. You CERTAINLY don't want to step on one.

...

neustile (neustile), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 03:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Not that they're his only audience, but older music industry professionals who don't have a strong grasp of the Internet seem to believe Lefsetz is the one peer with a finger on its pulse. I see some of his stuff via other email lists and tend to find him wrong.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 03:38 (fifteen years ago) link

extremely old industry legend fart who used to like music when it was, ya know, BETTER. hates young people. probably hates old people too. undoubtedly hates HIMSELF. so consistently and hilariously WRONG that sometimes he's actually RIGHT.

"Dvorak-style amalgam of ex-ATN writers taking the piss" is the FUNNIEST PHRASE I HAVE READ ALL DAY though i don't know why.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 03:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Lefsetz's blog is at http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/

He also turns up on the Rhino podcast with hystronic tirades about The State Of Things and endless flashbacks to his life in the 70s when things were So Much Better. In short, he's one of the Ghost World record collectors only with an income.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 04:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Actually, I heard he was Luther Campbell.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 04:42 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

You know what brings you back, again and again, to Bob Lefsetz? It's the PASSION. Oh, you can try to stay away. You can subscribe to a million other blogs. You can tell yourself that music's changed, or that you've changed, or that you don't understand anymore. But you know what? It's not that you've got older - it's that your generation has lost touch! They've SOLD OUT. And it's the KIDS on the INTERNET with thei iPods and their Blackberries who are reminding you why you got into this WHOLE CRAZY FUCKING BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. It's the MUSIC! Oh, you can tell yourself it isn't. BUT IT IS. And if you don't listen, you and every other exec LEECHING off the hindquarters of a MEMORY is going to BITE THE FUCKING DUST!

moley, Sunday, 24 June 2007 10:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Heheh.
I unsubscribed offa the Lef'Letter again awhile ago.

t**t, Sunday, 24 June 2007 13:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Seriously though his blog is my fave industry read and has been for a while now.

moley, Monday, 25 June 2007 04:32 (fourteen years ago) link

omg somebody's gotta imagebomb this dude and his ridiculous opinions

Another thread on him. Also, Chuck mentioned and quoted a recent Lefsetz country music and Sirius radio thing on the Rolling Country thread.

curmudgeon, Monday, 25 June 2007 04:53 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

His most recent column begins 'I was at the psychiatrist today...'. Magnificent. We are Lefsetz FANATICS at our house. Oh, you can laugh. But that's because you're HISTORY.

moley, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 11:04 (fourteen years ago) link

How about that T.I. diatribe...Is he right about touring rock bands having more sustained longevity than rappers or pop acts?

But I'll take T.I. over Rory Gallagher and many of the washed-up blooz-rockers and classic-rock dudes he loves.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 11:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Is he right about touring rock bands having more sustained longevity than rappers or pop acts?...YES

...he must have a lot of time on his hands and he reminds me of mixerman

pollywog, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 12:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Who's mixerman? I think Lefsetz is a retired music biz attorney.

One of his pet themes is that only individuals whom he says audiences perceive as 'real' will have lasting careers. He says this does not include American Idol performers and most rappers and pop acts.

Nelly Furtado Thursday 6/7/07 The WaMu Theater at Madison Square Garden, New York, NY Gross: $316,400 4,992/4,992 (100% Ticket prices: $65.00/$45.00 That was her best gig. In Boston, she did 3,644 out of 6,500 (56.1%). In Sayreville, NJ, she did 1,165 out of 2,050 (56.8%). In Detroit, she did 1,761 out of 2,585 (68.1%). In Grand Prairie, TX, she did 2,375 out of 2,503 (94.9%). In other words, she did SHITTY! And these weren't big halls to begin with, positively small, THEATRES! Her album has sold 1,873,719 copies, it's still number 50 on the chart A YEAR LATER! In other words, record sales don't mean shit. Work with Timbaland all you want. Have a hit on Top Forty radio that fewer people are listening to every day. Most people are not paying attention. They don't think you're REAL! Real acts don't conspire with a multitude of people, the usual suspects, to create their of the moment music. No one's even going to REMEMBER her tracks half a decade from now. No one's even going to PLAY them! (Have you heard Eminem recently?) It's not about music being stolen, that's not the big story in the music business today. It's about the bifurcation in its soul. Touring used to reflect record sales. No longer is this the case. And the real acts, the lasting acts, can all do good live business. The public got the memo, the press has not. As for the major labels? If they want a taste of every piece of the pie they've got to be trustworthy, have the act's best interests at heart. Ain't that a laugh.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 02:13 (fourteen years ago) link

so bob thinks the PUBLIC wants REAL, but it's hard to notice that said public has responded to THE REAL BOB himself by leaving ZERO COMMENTS so far on his latest blog post. ZERO COMMENTS on the post before that. ZERO COMMENTS on his LAST FOUR POSTS, in fact. the one before that elicited ONE COMMENT. so maybe everyone's talking about him but NO ONE CARES. most people are not paying attention. in other words, capital-letter posts about THE REAL don't mean shit. on the other hand, matthew fluxblog, champion of the pop, the artificial, the unreal, got 14 COMMENTS on his most recent posts. and 20 COMMENTS on the one before that. and 12 comments for his thoughts on KELLY CLARKSON. take that, bob!

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 05:44 (fourteen years ago) link

So who's READING these blogs? The Arizona girl you met at UCLA you secretly wanted to fuck? NO! That aging A&R rep with the combover whose ass you wanted to kick cos he thought he was DOWN with the kids? NO-ONE who CARES about MUSIC reads BLOGS! They're too busy LIVING! And what do they want as their soundtrack to life? Music about LOVE - love gained, love lost, love refrigerated briefly prior to baking. LOVE is what keeps us coming back to music. NOT blogs. NOT UCLA postgrad programs. NOT even Arizona girls. And especially not Matthew fucking PERPETUA.

moley, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 07:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Who's mixerman?

http://www.mixerman.net/diaries_main.php

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 07:56 (fourteen years ago) link

With just a few changes to the word lists, Lefsetz could pass for a SubGenius spewbot.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 07:57 (fourteen years ago) link

ctrl-f HITS not found

hstencil, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 08:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Bob always quotes 2 types of e-mail responses he gets (as many folks receive his stuff via e-mail rather than looking at his site)--from retired or current folks in the biz, or from ordinary folks who tell him how much they love 'real' music and then proceed to enthuse about the most bland middlebrow rock. The tone in both types of responses are often pretty amusing.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link

But I'll take T.I. over Rory Gallagher

Any sane person would. (Which says it all.)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link

http://youtube.com/watch?v=laBpl0TPaNg

P'zone, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I never heard of this guy until yesterday, but his old timer shtick is kind of entertaining, I read it hearing the voice of Bob "The Kid Stays In The Picture" Evans, and then think of the Martin Landau character from Entourage.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:22 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Subscribed a couple of weeks ago after someone mentioned him on the Radiohead thread, I tried, but I just don't get it, unsubscribed again.

Random thoughts that go nowhere, boasting about scoring a tour jacket from a 70's Clapton tour, comments from people who apparently do get what he means, irrelevant grumpy old man stuff, nothing I want to read about several times a day.

Am I missing something or is that it?

StanM, Thursday, 25 October 2007 08:38 (fourteen years ago) link

His rants against the music biz, while largely predictable at this point, are often entertaining reading. Same goes for his stories of his life and his nostalgia.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 25 October 2007 13:59 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Article on Lefsetz in the Washington Post

moley, Monday, 31 March 2008 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link

The fact that he is "one of the music industry's most influential analysts" speaks volumes. If you pretend you're reading an Onion editorial his pieces are entertaining though.

Mark Rich@rdson, Monday, 31 March 2008 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link

When I worked at Rhino, I'd hear stories about Bob's refusals to edit his histrionic rants. Consequently, most 'casts were 90 percent wall-bouncing froth over Spirit's Dr. Sardonicus and tear-soaked Aspen weekends in '75 when MUSIC and LOVE were REAL and YOUNG, 10 percent contributions from actual Rhino employees.

Terrible Cold, Monday, 31 March 2008 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link

He's like Lsetz, the Dean of Music Analysis.

StanM, Monday, 31 March 2008 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh not that guy again. There was also this interesting take on Feist.

sonderangerbot, Monday, 31 March 2008 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link

ugh.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 31 March 2008 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link

he reminds me of ben gazzara as jackie treehorn: "we used to have a little thing called production values... FEELINGS..."

gff, Monday, 31 March 2008 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

That and the Onion editorial comment both made me roffle.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 31 March 2008 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link

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Elvis Telecom, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I kinda like reading his rants as SubGenius devival art but the guy can't be bothered to put the full text of his posts in his RSS feed so screw it.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:59 (thirteen years ago) link

LOL at his anti-Ticketmaster rant. Welcome to 1994 Bob!

MC, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:08 (thirteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...

oh man is he ever happy about the new Tom Petty

J0hn D., Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Mudcrutch vs. Tin Machine

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm officially starting the trend of calling them The Crutch.

dudes don't harsh The Crutch

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link

dude, The Crutch killed it last nite at the cow palace

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Pure seventies. Pure magic.

tylerw, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link

dude the crutch don't know any other way to rock.

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Pure seventies. Pure magic.

this was totally my favorite line

J0hn D., Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Kind of sums it all up, doesn't it?

tylerw, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

White Room

by Bob Lefsetz

The sixties were different. They were light, and dark, and nothing in between. Today we live in the gray. In the onslaught of media, nothing sticks out, nothing is in relief, we're all hiding in our bunkers, trying to figure it all out. But, in the sixties, we ventured out, we wanted to experience IT ALL!

In the sixties there was context. It wasn't like today, where without a major hype campaign nobody knows the story. We only had three TV networks. "Rolling Stone" didn't come on the scene until the end of the decade. There were limited media outlets, and we paid attention. The big breakthrough was FM underground radio, and you were lucky if you had an outlet in your community, where you could hear Cream.

Cream was something you heard about from your friends. You went over to somebody's house and they played you "Sunshine Of Your Love". Pete Townshend eventually sang about one note, pure and easy, playing so free, but really it was one RIFF that people lined up behind. And that riff, the one that got it all started, was the one from "Sunshine Of Your Love".

Listen to "Sunshine Of Your Love" today, you'll be STUNNED how little is on the record. God, it sounds like there were NO overdubs, just a power trio laying it down. Still, it wasn't just the notes Clapton was playing, it was the SOUND of those notes. There was a RICHNESS in this hard rock, a SWEETNESS! This wasn't music for boys only, this was music for EVERYBODY with genitals. It had such a weird effect on you, hearing this sound, you felt it in different parts of your body, your brain, your lower abdomen and your groin. Right after the set-up, after the richness, there's this bit of distortion in the guitar, you feel like you're in it for the long haul, to climax, four minutes hence.

Hearing "Sunshine Of Your Love" you had to buy "Disraeli Gears". And that's when you discovered it, the essence, opening side two.

Today the label picks the track, and what's left of radio takes instruction, it's all a CAMPAIGN, which you're AWARE OF! But listening to FM back then was like listening to XM today. Your relationship is with the DEEJAY! Not his voice, not his inane rap like on Sirius, but his CHOICES! That's why we love people, because of who they ARE! And when you heard "Tales Of Brave Ulysses" on the radio your life was made, the same way when Mike Marrone plays some obscure cut that only I thought I knew it makes my day.

One can argue quite strongly the first Cream album is the best. The sound isn't as good as "Disraeli Gears", but overall the songs are BETTER!

But after "Disraeli Gears", the songs got worse. Except for the unexpected "Badge", NOTHING was the caliber of what came before. Still, there was a huge hit on "Wheels Of Fire", a simple song, but one with a monster riff so exquisite that we were touched once again. It was just the SOUND of Clapton's guitar, it sounded like he was WEEPING! But then Ginger hit the drum, and Jack sang richly. Yes, as great as Clapton was, Jack's vocals were a key element of the band.

The dude who made available the MP3s of the Royal Albert Hall show left three out, the last three numbers of the concert. He hopped to, posted them on the site, and I just downloaded them, and heard "White Room".

I don't understand flying around the world to see a band. That's not what rock and roll is about. Rock and roll is about scraping up every dollar you've got, eating the equivalent of dog food just so you can AFFORD to go to the gig. The gig isn't an afterthought, ONE thing you can acquire, experience, but the ONLY thing!

While we were experiencing flower power in the U.S., the Brits were experiencing rain. The music from across the pond was different from ours. It wasn't sunny, it was dark. Made in the U.K., it was America's dark underbelly. It coexisted with Monkees hits. It was necessary, for balance.

Flying across the pond forty years later has NO darkness. Unless you saved up every last dollar you had and slept on the street in order to go.

And, going was SO much different then. You went ALL THE TIME! Because the tickets were CHEAP! Under five bucks. The concert experience wasn't about preferred parking and alcohol, it was about the MUSIC!

And that music can be heard in Cream's rendition of "White Room" on May 5th.

Eric gets that unique guitar sound. But really, it's Ginger's drums. You can hear the FEROCITY!

And then, on top of it all, in comes Jack.

Oh, he's singing along, all those words you remember. And then you hear it...

"I'll wait in this place where the sun never shines Wait in this place where the shadows run from themselves"

I'm waiting for this place to return. Where business trumps art. Where creativity is revered over music. Where the messiah returns.

Religious zealots think the messiah is going to come from heaven. Down to save us.

But I don't believe that. I don't believe in a higher power. I believe in people. Their ability to triumph, do the right thing, against incredible odds.

Here, just before the show is over, almost two hours into it, having deliv ered upon expectations, Cream FINALLY throws off the limitations and just RIPS! THIS is music-making. When you're no longer going by the rehearsal, when you're just WINGING IT! When you stop concentrating on being together, do your own thing and it all FALLS INTO PLACE!

And a little over halfway through the number, Eric finally takes center stage, he finally WAILS! Not in the way he has for the past thirty years, but the way he did with John Mayall, as a SIDEMAN! In the tradition of great bluesmen, he's taking his LICKS! He's just part of the club.

And all these years later, it's still a championship team.

Mr. Big STFU (ojo), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:56 (twelve years ago) link

How many of his letters start out with something about the sixties or the classic era being "different"?

& other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:03 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

Lefzetz meets Pitchfork, world implodes.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:30 (ten years ago) link

lefsetz weighs in

When are we gonna let this guy out of the doghouse?

Let's get very specific here, and leave emotions aside. What Wallen said is vernacular that is used in the black community all the time, the N-word is a part of hip-hop culture and employed on recordings. That does not make Wallen's usage right, but it does speak to intention.

little johnny juul (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 20:17 (nine months ago) link

"guys it's been TWO WEEK" is certainly a take

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 20:18 (nine months ago) link

What did Don Henley sing, that it was about forgiveness?

We need some of that here now.

little johnny juul (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 20:21 (nine months ago) link

It's been possibly years since I've read anything by that guy, but whoo-boy was that terrible. Not even the (bad) ideas, it's just so terribly written, like a grandparent's facebook screed on something they don't understand. "Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of 'Batman Vs. Superman.' It's too busy and too glum, with erratic editing and a tone out of tune with its comic book origins. But Zach Snyder is the most gifted filmmaker we've had since Michael Bay and Brett Ratner, and if we don't give the guy another chance we'll be missing out on some of the best movies ever made. Plenty of people make bad movies, but do we cancel them? No. This cancel culture is out of control. If we cancelled people for being stupid and making stupid decisions and saying stupid things, then everyone would be cancelled, even me. And then who will write your newsletters?"

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 20:27 (nine months ago) link

i'm sure lefsetz would be metoo'd by now if anyone gave enough of a shit about him

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 21:11 (nine months ago) link

What did Don Henley sing, that it was about forgiveness?

I looked this up. Turns out that what he sang was

We got the bubble-headed bleached-blonde comes on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye

stilt in the wings (sic), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 21:16 (nine months ago) link

i'm sure lefsetz would be metoo'd by now if anyone gave enough of a shit about him

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, February 23, 2021 4:11 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lefsetz is a digusting dweeb, but what makes him even worse is the legion of music industry-adjacent boomers who nod along to his every word

little johnny juul (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 21:19 (nine months ago) link

industry-adjacent boomers

just found my new band name, tyvm

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 21:49 (nine months ago) link

"Black Myself" doesn't qualify for hip-hop world, even though, as the title says, Amythyst Kiah is black herself.

fact checking cuz, Saturday, 27 February 2021 03:47 (nine months ago) link

oh boy, i would really appreciate it if he wouldn't write about amythyst kiah

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 27 February 2021 04:04 (nine months ago) link

Once again, once Amythyst starts to sing you're immediately woken up. And sure she's black, and gay, but that's got nothing to do with what you hear on the track, as a matter of fact as powerful as the lyrics are, they're secondary to the power of the track.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 27 February 2021 04:21 (nine months ago) link

And sure she's black, and gay,

i'm reading this is that sarcastic "sure you are" eyerolling tone

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Saturday, 27 February 2021 23:39 (nine months ago) link

oh boy, i would really appreciate it if he wouldn't write

Fixed it for you.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 27 February 2021 23:51 (nine months ago) link

lol okay.
no, amythyst kiah is actually great and great live so i don't want him near her

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 28 February 2021 03:36 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Reinventing The Oscars

1. Include TV

cool

caek or daeth (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 13:24 (eight months ago) link

How else can his old man shows like BOSCH and those Israeli dramas get the recognition they need?

beamish13, Tuesday, 16 March 2021 16:24 (eight months ago) link

five months pass...

When I used to go to school, and I'm never going back, we never started before Labor Day. School in August? Unheard of. August was still SUMMER!

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 20:23 (three months ago) link

"And we LIKED IT!"
https://i.imgflip.com/1fpg3n.jpg?a452496

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 20:40 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

So I disconnected the Bridge attached directly to the ethernet cable twice, but that didn't work, but then I remembered there was a Bridge hidden on the stereo rack and I unplugged and replugged that and voila! I can hear music! But then the desktop app asks whether I want to update it and I'm worried it's going to install the new app which won't work with one of my old Bridges but I took the risk, and it all worked. I need everything to work. Of course I could have just used the iPhone app, which was up to date and worked fine, but I'm a stickler, I get satisfaction when everything works right, it makes me feel good, it's that extra one or two percent that gets you to the ultimate, which was what I was trying to achieve listening to this new MoFi Ultradisc vinyl Eagles album, but...

It sounded great, but it sounded slow.

Would like to hear Wallace Shawn read today’s letter.

... (Eazy), Sunday, 26 September 2021 05:22 (two months ago) link

four weeks pass...

And Kelefa Sanneh, the "New Yorker" writer, has a new book about major labels and "Seven Genres." Sanneh was born in 1976, if he wants to write about hip-hop, fine, but what does this guy know about the history of rock and roll, this is the guy who popularized the inane word "rockism." Huh?

We were addicted to the radio, to music in a way almost no one is today. And we didn't go to the show to shoot selfies, it wasn't about us, but them, the people on stage.

... (Eazy), Monday, 25 October 2021 02:47 (one month ago) link

christ what an asshole

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 25 October 2021 03:05 (one month ago) link

"if he wants to write about hip hop, fine" is pretty fucking odious

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 25 October 2021 03:06 (one month ago) link

Wow fuck that

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 25 October 2021 03:07 (one month ago) link

WOW

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 25 October 2021 03:53 (one month ago) link

What does this guy know about the history of Rock'n'Roll, this guy who is <checks notes> 45 years old?

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 25 October 2021 04:45 (one month ago) link

really gross

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 25 October 2021 10:10 (one month ago) link

lefsetz says some silly inelegantly-expressed things but he doesn't strike me as a bad person. popism was a not so thinly-veiled attack on boomers so let's not head for our fainting couches when a boomer gets ticked off.

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 25 October 2021 12:45 (one month ago) link

are you a boomer yourself

Murgatroid, Monday, 25 October 2021 14:43 (one month ago) link

And you were fans of certain acts and bought their new albums without hearing them first. But then you listened to FM radio to find out what else was great. That was the culture, you needed to know, the country ran on music, maybe the entire world. The musicians were testing limits, pushing the envelope, and then it all imploded. It was a golden era and you only know this if you lived through it and most people did not and get it all wrong.

This feels to me like someone who judges the current state of literature by what books are sold in his supermarket

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 25 October 2021 15:11 (one month ago) link

Based on what I saw in said section yesterday in Walgreens, it's a lot of shirtless cowboys.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 October 2021 15:14 (one month ago) link

But I like Cormac McCarthy

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 25 October 2021 15:17 (one month ago) link

how does this guy make his money

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 25 October 2021 15:17 (one month ago) link

first they came for the boomers and i did nothing, for i was not a boomer

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Monday, 25 October 2021 15:22 (one month ago) link

how does this guy make his money

Doesn't he give expensive speeches to tech executives and corporate scumbags older than himself who want to feel clued-in?

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 25 October 2021 15:25 (one month ago) link

I wonder if he gets a percentage of the streaming money for “Fuck Like A Beast”

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 25 October 2021 15:28 (one month ago) link

Sanneh was born in 1976, if he wants to write about hip-hop, fine

sanneh's next article: why hiphop exposes all previous genres (and their fans) to be the assholes that they are.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Monday, 25 October 2021 15:39 (one month ago) link

There’s “out of touch Boomer,” and then there’s “telling a Black music critic he should stick to hip hop.”

... (Eazy), Monday, 25 October 2021 17:08 (one month ago) link

are you a boomer yourself

i guess? 63? old enough to think that deliberately misreading his (admittedly silly) comment on age as being about race is disingenuous.

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 25 October 2021 18:29 (one month ago) link

ok boomer

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 25 October 2021 19:06 (one month ago) link

the rap against ageism

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Monday, 25 October 2021 19:29 (one month ago) link

I just finished the Sanneh book. It's good, and it's nothing if not well-researched. It's about more than just one generation's perception of rock 'n' roll, which may be what throws Lefsetz. Also, it's explicitly about the evolution of the major genres from 1970 on so it's not trying to tell the whole history of rock 'n' roll (although there's some backtracking to provide relevant context).

Not being that familiar with Lefsetz's schtick, I would be curious when exactly in his opinion "it all imploded."

Josefa, Monday, 25 October 2021 19:50 (one month ago) link

when exactly in his opinion "it all imploded."

When they stopped playing Doobie Brothers deep tracks on the radio.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 25 October 2021 20:51 (one month ago) link

the exact moment he crossed the 50% baldness threshold

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Monday, 25 October 2021 20:55 (one month ago) link

When he caught WRKI I95 NOT playing three Led Zeppelin sings in a row without a commercial break on “Get the Led Out Monday.”

Typo? Negative! (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 26 October 2021 00:48 (one month ago) link

four weeks pass...

it's important to remember who the real victim is here!

So this ignorant punk uses the N-Word. He's so dumb and uninformed that he doesn't realize only Black people can utter it, like Dave Chappelle at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony. But Wallen, like the rest of young America, has listened to a zillion rap songs, he's invested in the culture, because hip-hop is American culture, but since he's living in the boonies he doesn't know how to behave, what he can say or what he can't. It's not like he used the N-Word as a put-down, in fact it was as a term of endearment. That doesn't justify its use, but the penalty here far outweighs the crime.

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:30 (six days ago) link

i think i'd like to start an online harassment campaign to get this fucking dunce to just shut up. I'VE HAD ENOUGH DAMMIT.

please don't refer to me as (Austin), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:52 (six days ago) link

lefsetz can't be canceled because nobody knows what the hell he does

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 15:54 (six days ago) link

that's what i mean, i don't want him to be "CANCELLED" or whatever — just stop talking, friend. we're all tired of it.

please don't refer to me as (Austin), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:09 (six days ago) link

nobody knows what the hell he does

Professional Cloud Yeller At-er

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:56 (six days ago) link

in that case, maybe he can be canceled by a lightning bolt

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 16:59 (six days ago) link


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