who is Bob Lefsetz?

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I find myself all of a sudden talking with "industry people" -- not my chosen path. Quite a few tell me to sign up for the "Bob Lefsetz Letter." So I do. It's an email list, where this person writes screeds that seem to be about 1) hating music festivals 2) the tropical paradise he's visiting 3) using CAPTIAL LETTERS in the middle of otherwise PASSIVE STATEMENTS

The people that recommended this list are a bit older, ex-radio guys or digital music industry guys. I google for Mr. Lefsetz but can only find "Industry Legend" as a bio. I like a little context with my rants-- why am I reading these emails? Who is this guy? Is it a Dvorak-style amalgam of ex-ATN writers taking the piss? Is it Ned Raggett?

neustile (neustile), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link

As to the last question, no. Never heard of this Bob guy before, to my knowledge.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Hmm! I have read some issues of the "Lefsetz Letter" - when it still was a printed-on-paper-and-everything thing-y, waaay back in the early 90s :)
Well it was, well, well fun to read then, I recall. I've no idea what he writes about, and how, these days.

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link

For a taste, the latest mail just came in:


But I've got to warn you. There are SEA CUCUMBERS!

Oh, you wear reef shoes. But littered on the bottom of the ocean are these...well, CUCUMBERS! But they're alive. And squishy. And they urinate. And it's almost so gross you don't want to go in. You CERTAINLY don't want to step on one.

...

neustile (neustile), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Not that they're his only audience, but older music industry professionals who don't have a strong grasp of the Internet seem to believe Lefsetz is the one peer with a finger on its pulse. I see some of his stuff via other email lists and tend to find him wrong.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link

extremely old industry legend fart who used to like music when it was, ya know, BETTER. hates young people. probably hates old people too. undoubtedly hates HIMSELF. so consistently and hilariously WRONG that sometimes he's actually RIGHT.

"Dvorak-style amalgam of ex-ATN writers taking the piss" is the FUNNIEST PHRASE I HAVE READ ALL DAY though i don't know why.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Lefsetz's blog is at http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/

He also turns up on the Rhino podcast with hystronic tirades about The State Of Things and endless flashbacks to his life in the 70s when things were So Much Better. In short, he's one of the Ghost World record collectors only with an income.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 04:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Actually, I heard he was Luther Campbell.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 04:42 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

You know what brings you back, again and again, to Bob Lefsetz? It's the PASSION. Oh, you can try to stay away. You can subscribe to a million other blogs. You can tell yourself that music's changed, or that you've changed, or that you don't understand anymore. But you know what? It's not that you've got older - it's that your generation has lost touch! They've SOLD OUT. And it's the KIDS on the INTERNET with thei iPods and their Blackberries who are reminding you why you got into this WHOLE CRAZY FUCKING BUSINESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. It's the MUSIC! Oh, you can tell yourself it isn't. BUT IT IS. And if you don't listen, you and every other exec LEECHING off the hindquarters of a MEMORY is going to BITE THE FUCKING DUST!

moley, Sunday, 24 June 2007 10:49 (twelve years ago) link

Heheh.
I unsubscribed offa the Lef'Letter again awhile ago.

t**t, Sunday, 24 June 2007 13:45 (twelve years ago) link

Seriously though his blog is my fave industry read and has been for a while now.

moley, Monday, 25 June 2007 04:32 (twelve years ago) link

omg somebody's gotta imagebomb this dude and his ridiculous opinions

Another thread on him. Also, Chuck mentioned and quoted a recent Lefsetz country music and Sirius radio thing on the Rolling Country thread.

curmudgeon, Monday, 25 June 2007 04:53 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

His most recent column begins 'I was at the psychiatrist today...'. Magnificent. We are Lefsetz FANATICS at our house. Oh, you can laugh. But that's because you're HISTORY.

moley, Tuesday, 10 July 2007 11:04 (twelve years ago) link

How about that T.I. diatribe...Is he right about touring rock bands having more sustained longevity than rappers or pop acts?

But I'll take T.I. over Rory Gallagher and many of the washed-up blooz-rockers and classic-rock dudes he loves.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 11:44 (twelve years ago) link

Is he right about touring rock bands having more sustained longevity than rappers or pop acts?...YES

...he must have a lot of time on his hands and he reminds me of mixerman

pollywog, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 12:33 (twelve years ago) link

Who's mixerman? I think Lefsetz is a retired music biz attorney.

One of his pet themes is that only individuals whom he says audiences perceive as 'real' will have lasting careers. He says this does not include American Idol performers and most rappers and pop acts.

Nelly Furtado Thursday 6/7/07 The WaMu Theater at Madison Square Garden, New York, NY Gross: $316,400 4,992/4,992 (100% Ticket prices: $65.00/$45.00 That was her best gig. In Boston, she did 3,644 out of 6,500 (56.1%). In Sayreville, NJ, she did 1,165 out of 2,050 (56.8%). In Detroit, she did 1,761 out of 2,585 (68.1%). In Grand Prairie, TX, she did 2,375 out of 2,503 (94.9%). In other words, she did SHITTY! And these weren't big halls to begin with, positively small, THEATRES! Her album has sold 1,873,719 copies, it's still number 50 on the chart A YEAR LATER! In other words, record sales don't mean shit. Work with Timbaland all you want. Have a hit on Top Forty radio that fewer people are listening to every day. Most people are not paying attention. They don't think you're REAL! Real acts don't conspire with a multitude of people, the usual suspects, to create their of the moment music. No one's even going to REMEMBER her tracks half a decade from now. No one's even going to PLAY them! (Have you heard Eminem recently?) It's not about music being stolen, that's not the big story in the music business today. It's about the bifurcation in its soul. Touring used to reflect record sales. No longer is this the case. And the real acts, the lasting acts, can all do good live business. The public got the memo, the press has not. As for the major labels? If they want a taste of every piece of the pie they've got to be trustworthy, have the act's best interests at heart. Ain't that a laugh.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 02:13 (twelve years ago) link

so bob thinks the PUBLIC wants REAL, but it's hard to notice that said public has responded to THE REAL BOB himself by leaving ZERO COMMENTS so far on his latest blog post. ZERO COMMENTS on the post before that. ZERO COMMENTS on his LAST FOUR POSTS, in fact. the one before that elicited ONE COMMENT. so maybe everyone's talking about him but NO ONE CARES. most people are not paying attention. in other words, capital-letter posts about THE REAL don't mean shit. on the other hand, matthew fluxblog, champion of the pop, the artificial, the unreal, got 14 COMMENTS on his most recent posts. and 20 COMMENTS on the one before that. and 12 comments for his thoughts on KELLY CLARKSON. take that, bob!

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 05:44 (twelve years ago) link

So who's READING these blogs? The Arizona girl you met at UCLA you secretly wanted to fuck? NO! That aging A&R rep with the combover whose ass you wanted to kick cos he thought he was DOWN with the kids? NO-ONE who CARES about MUSIC reads BLOGS! They're too busy LIVING! And what do they want as their soundtrack to life? Music about LOVE - love gained, love lost, love refrigerated briefly prior to baking. LOVE is what keeps us coming back to music. NOT blogs. NOT UCLA postgrad programs. NOT even Arizona girls. And especially not Matthew fucking PERPETUA.

moley, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 07:10 (twelve years ago) link

Who's mixerman?

http://www.mixerman.net/diaries_main.php

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 07:56 (twelve years ago) link

With just a few changes to the word lists, Lefsetz could pass for a SubGenius spewbot.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 07:57 (twelve years ago) link

ctrl-f HITS not found

hstencil, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 08:35 (twelve years ago) link

Bob always quotes 2 types of e-mail responses he gets (as many folks receive his stuff via e-mail rather than looking at his site)--from retired or current folks in the biz, or from ordinary folks who tell him how much they love 'real' music and then proceed to enthuse about the most bland middlebrow rock. The tone in both types of responses are often pretty amusing.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 14:47 (twelve years ago) link

But I'll take T.I. over Rory Gallagher

Any sane person would. (Which says it all.)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 14:51 (twelve years ago) link

http://youtube.com/watch?v=laBpl0TPaNg

P'zone, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

I never heard of this guy until yesterday, but his old timer shtick is kind of entertaining, I read it hearing the voice of Bob "The Kid Stays In The Picture" Evans, and then think of the Martin Landau character from Entourage.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 16:22 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

Subscribed a couple of weeks ago after someone mentioned him on the Radiohead thread, I tried, but I just don't get it, unsubscribed again.

Random thoughts that go nowhere, boasting about scoring a tour jacket from a 70's Clapton tour, comments from people who apparently do get what he means, irrelevant grumpy old man stuff, nothing I want to read about several times a day.

Am I missing something or is that it?

StanM, Thursday, 25 October 2007 08:38 (eleven years ago) link

His rants against the music biz, while largely predictable at this point, are often entertaining reading. Same goes for his stories of his life and his nostalgia.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 25 October 2007 13:59 (eleven years ago) link

five months pass...

Article on Lefsetz in the Washington Post

moley, Monday, 31 March 2008 02:35 (eleven years ago) link

The fact that he is "one of the music industry's most influential analysts" speaks volumes. If you pretend you're reading an Onion editorial his pieces are entertaining though.

Mark Rich@rdson, Monday, 31 March 2008 02:56 (eleven years ago) link

When I worked at Rhino, I'd hear stories about Bob's refusals to edit his histrionic rants. Consequently, most 'casts were 90 percent wall-bouncing froth over Spirit's Dr. Sardonicus and tear-soaked Aspen weekends in '75 when MUSIC and LOVE were REAL and YOUNG, 10 percent contributions from actual Rhino employees.

Terrible Cold, Monday, 31 March 2008 16:30 (eleven years ago) link

He's like Lsetz, the Dean of Music Analysis.

StanM, Monday, 31 March 2008 16:40 (eleven years ago) link

Oh not that guy again. There was also this interesting take on Feist.

sonderangerbot, Monday, 31 March 2008 17:51 (eleven years ago) link

ugh.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 31 March 2008 20:49 (eleven years ago) link

he reminds me of ben gazzara as jackie treehorn: "we used to have a little thing called production values... FEELINGS..."

gff, Monday, 31 March 2008 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

That and the Onion editorial comment both made me roffle.

James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 31 March 2008 21:03 (eleven years ago) link

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Elvis Telecom, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:57 (eleven years ago) link

I kinda like reading his rants as SubGenius devival art but the guy can't be bothered to put the full text of his posts in his RSS feed so screw it.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:59 (eleven years ago) link

LOL at his anti-Ticketmaster rant. Welcome to 1994 Bob!

MC, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:08 (eleven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

oh man is he ever happy about the new Tom Petty

J0hn D., Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:09 (eleven years ago) link

Mudcrutch vs. Tin Machine

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:09 (eleven years ago) link

I'm officially starting the trend of calling them The Crutch.

dudes don't harsh The Crutch

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:16 (eleven years ago) link

dude, The Crutch killed it last nite at the cow palace

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:17 (eleven years ago) link

Pure seventies. Pure magic.

tylerw, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:18 (eleven years ago) link

dude the crutch don't know any other way to rock.

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:20 (eleven years ago) link

Pure seventies. Pure magic.

this was totally my favorite line

J0hn D., Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:25 (eleven years ago) link

Kind of sums it all up, doesn't it?

tylerw, Tuesday, 29 April 2008 20:36 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

White Room

by Bob Lefsetz

The sixties were different. They were light, and dark, and nothing in between. Today we live in the gray. In the onslaught of media, nothing sticks out, nothing is in relief, we're all hiding in our bunkers, trying to figure it all out. But, in the sixties, we ventured out, we wanted to experience IT ALL!

In the sixties there was context. It wasn't like today, where without a major hype campaign nobody knows the story. We only had three TV networks. "Rolling Stone" didn't come on the scene until the end of the decade. There were limited media outlets, and we paid attention. The big breakthrough was FM underground radio, and you were lucky if you had an outlet in your community, where you could hear Cream.

Cream was something you heard about from your friends. You went over to somebody's house and they played you "Sunshine Of Your Love". Pete Townshend eventually sang about one note, pure and easy, playing so free, but really it was one RIFF that people lined up behind. And that riff, the one that got it all started, was the one from "Sunshine Of Your Love".

Listen to "Sunshine Of Your Love" today, you'll be STUNNED how little is on the record. God, it sounds like there were NO overdubs, just a power trio laying it down. Still, it wasn't just the notes Clapton was playing, it was the SOUND of those notes. There was a RICHNESS in this hard rock, a SWEETNESS! This wasn't music for boys only, this was music for EVERYBODY with genitals. It had such a weird effect on you, hearing this sound, you felt it in different parts of your body, your brain, your lower abdomen and your groin. Right after the set-up, after the richness, there's this bit of distortion in the guitar, you feel like you're in it for the long haul, to climax, four minutes hence.

Hearing "Sunshine Of Your Love" you had to buy "Disraeli Gears". And that's when you discovered it, the essence, opening side two.

Today the label picks the track, and what's left of radio takes instruction, it's all a CAMPAIGN, which you're AWARE OF! But listening to FM back then was like listening to XM today. Your relationship is with the DEEJAY! Not his voice, not his inane rap like on Sirius, but his CHOICES! That's why we love people, because of who they ARE! And when you heard "Tales Of Brave Ulysses" on the radio your life was made, the same way when Mike Marrone plays some obscure cut that only I thought I knew it makes my day.

One can argue quite strongly the first Cream album is the best. The sound isn't as good as "Disraeli Gears", but overall the songs are BETTER!

But after "Disraeli Gears", the songs got worse. Except for the unexpected "Badge", NOTHING was the caliber of what came before. Still, there was a huge hit on "Wheels Of Fire", a simple song, but one with a monster riff so exquisite that we were touched once again. It was just the SOUND of Clapton's guitar, it sounded like he was WEEPING! But then Ginger hit the drum, and Jack sang richly. Yes, as great as Clapton was, Jack's vocals were a key element of the band.

The dude who made available the MP3s of the Royal Albert Hall show left three out, the last three numbers of the concert. He hopped to, posted them on the site, and I just downloaded them, and heard "White Room".

I don't understand flying around the world to see a band. That's not what rock and roll is about. Rock and roll is about scraping up every dollar you've got, eating the equivalent of dog food just so you can AFFORD to go to the gig. The gig isn't an afterthought, ONE thing you can acquire, experience, but the ONLY thing!

While we were experiencing flower power in the U.S., the Brits were experiencing rain. The music from across the pond was different from ours. It wasn't sunny, it was dark. Made in the U.K., it was America's dark underbelly. It coexisted with Monkees hits. It was necessary, for balance.

Flying across the pond forty years later has NO darkness. Unless you saved up every last dollar you had and slept on the street in order to go.

And, going was SO much different then. You went ALL THE TIME! Because the tickets were CHEAP! Under five bucks. The concert experience wasn't about preferred parking and alcohol, it was about the MUSIC!

And that music can be heard in Cream's rendition of "White Room" on May 5th.

Eric gets that unique guitar sound. But really, it's Ginger's drums. You can hear the FEROCITY!

And then, on top of it all, in comes Jack.

Oh, he's singing along, all those words you remember. And then you hear it...

"I'll wait in this place where the sun never shines Wait in this place where the shadows run from themselves"

I'm waiting for this place to return. Where business trumps art. Where creativity is revered over music. Where the messiah returns.

Religious zealots think the messiah is going to come from heaven. Down to save us.

But I don't believe that. I don't believe in a higher power. I believe in people. Their ability to triumph, do the right thing, against incredible odds.

Here, just before the show is over, almost two hours into it, having deliv ered upon expectations, Cream FINALLY throws off the limitations and just RIPS! THIS is music-making. When you're no longer going by the rehearsal, when you're just WINGING IT! When you stop concentrating on being together, do your own thing and it all FALLS INTO PLACE!

And a little over halfway through the number, Eric finally takes center stage, he finally WAILS! Not in the way he has for the past thirty years, but the way he did with John Mayall, as a SIDEMAN! In the tradition of great bluesmen, he's taking his LICKS! He's just part of the club.

And all these years later, it's still a championship team.

Mr. Big STFU (ojo), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:56 (nine years ago) link

How many of his letters start out with something about the sixties or the classic era being "different"?

& other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:03 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Lefzetz meets Pitchfork, world implodes.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:30 (seven years ago) link

You see the Sunset Strip was populated by castoffs, those not wanted, those who didn't fit in, not Ivy League graduates. It was a different era, your parents didn't bribe colleges to get you in, they expected you to leave the house after high school and stay gone. What you did...

Was your business.

It's hard to describe the power of rock and roll. It's something you feel, oftentimes in your genitalia.

... (Eazy), Saturday, 23 March 2019 03:19 (five months ago) link

an instant classic

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 23 March 2019 03:52 (five months ago) link

Sunset Strip denizen Jim Morrison was a UCLA film school grad and extremely “intellectual” in his approach to rock ‘n roll.

What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:03 (five months ago) link

And when the Beatles hit, everybody got a guitar. It was kind of like everybody buying a computer to be on AOL back in the nineties. Then again, today’s college students may not have even been born in the nineties. I’m trying to think of something that ubiquitous. And instant. We all have smartphones, but it didn’t happen overnight. Ah, I guess you had to be there.

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:17 (five months ago) link

We used to get it, there was a ladder to the top, a room where everybody was inside doing dope with the cool people. If you wanted to make it, you knew how to do it.

But not anymore.

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:23 (five months ago) link

They called Coney Island, "the playground of the world." There was no place like it, in the whole world. Now it's shrunk down to almost nothing. People from all over the world came here. When I was very small, I even got lost at Coney Island. But they found me, on the beach. We used to sleep on the beach here, sleep overnight. They don't do that anymore. Things changed, you see. They don't sleep anymore on the beach.

brain (krakow), Saturday, 23 March 2019 10:48 (five months ago) link

Bob's favorite theme is that we no longer have shared cultural points of contact in which we all take pleasure and from which we're able to draw lessons that help us in our walk through life, but then every time this thread wakes up, our communal joy is palpable

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 23 March 2019 11:13 (five months ago) link

I guarantee you there are people sleeping on the beach in Coney Island tonight. Just not Bob's kind of people, if you see what I mean.

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 23 March 2019 13:57 (five months ago) link

Don’t you talk that way about Murray Ostril

You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Saturday, 23 March 2019 15:28 (five months ago) link

godspeed you! bob lefsetz

My sincere apologies to Murray Ostril (<3) for the weak joke. No apologies to Bob Lefsetz.

brain (krakow), Saturday, 23 March 2019 16:28 (five months ago) link

I'm simultaneously watching The Dirt on Netflix and reading the book Lefsetz Letter on The Dirt and posting to ILM about it

this must be how Siddhartha felt sitting under the Bodhi tree

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 March 2019 16:45 (five months ago) link

honest to fucking god

The BMW salesman wouldn’t give Steve Lukather the time of day, until he came back with cash

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 March 2019 16:55 (five months ago) link

I wish ILM weren’t in the middle of a “slow period” right now... I feel like having a good dust-up over something trivial.

What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Saturday, 23 March 2019 16:56 (five months ago) link

morrisp, I keep meaning to mention this. it's 'Reba'.

☮, 🐸 (peace, man), Saturday, 23 March 2019 18:55 (five months ago) link

👍, 🐸

What's that Phish song that goes "Bag it, Tag it"? (morrisp), Saturday, 23 March 2019 19:16 (five months ago) link

Bob's favorite theme is that we no longer have shared cultural points of contact in which we all take pleasure and from which we're able to draw lessons that help us in our walk through life, but then every time this thread wakes up, our communal joy is palpable

Baseball is not only no longer the national pastime, it's certifiably NICHE!

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 01:23 (five months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Nothing catches fire anymore.

Unless it’s Notre Dame Cathedral.

Or to put it another way, we haven’t had that spirit here since 2012, with “Gangnam Style.”

errant flynn, Saturday, 20 April 2019 21:49 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

It's always subtle at first. And then you know what's happening.

But they didn't. I said it. EARTHQUAKE!

... (Eazy), Saturday, 6 July 2019 21:35 (two months ago) link

What’s Bob’s take on the Swift/Braun thing? Didn’t he (semi-)famously dis Taylor back in the day?

stan by me (morrisp), Saturday, 6 July 2019 22:15 (two months ago) link

I hope we never find out.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 6 July 2019 22:47 (two months ago) link

Bob was incredibly mad about Taylor Swift not having her music on streaming

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 July 2019 23:07 (two months ago) link

She named her album Red after he told her about Joni’s Blue iirc

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 7 July 2019 15:34 (two months ago) link

What the left doesn't realize is it's established a line, a third-rail, on so many subjects, that those not in the club of the offended are scratching their heads and saying HUH?

There are so many words, so many descriptions, that you cannot say.

There are so many protected minorities.

And this is how the left gets in trouble.

hmm

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Monday, 15 July 2019 19:31 (two months ago) link

There are so many words, so many descriptions, that you cannot say.

i always wish statements like this could be met with a request that they plainly list the words and phrases that they wish to say but no longer can

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 15 July 2019 19:59 (two months ago) link

the a word
the b word
the c word
etc.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 15 July 2019 20:11 (two months ago) link

old man yells, etc

maura, Monday, 15 July 2019 20:48 (two months ago) link

there are so many clouds you can't yell at these days!

mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Monday, 15 July 2019 21:08 (two months ago) link

back in the 60s people cared about music, passion, authenticity and saying the n-word freely

Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 15 July 2019 21:09 (two months ago) link

Every time I see this thread revived I'm hoping its because he said something so obnoxious that he managed to cancel himself.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 15 July 2019 21:18 (two months ago) link

Just because someone's an African-American, does that mean they didn't do it?

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 25 July 2019 22:28 (one month ago) link

Couldn't find that quote, but

And thereafter “Lay Your Hands On Me” was a success, but eventually Joe Leeway left, not that we were ever sure what he contributed, and Tom and Alannah Currie moved to Australia and transmogrified into Babble and…

Fuck off back to Jamaica, Bob.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 25 July 2019 23:15 (one month ago) link

Bob has seen the future and it’s electronic pop whatever act Odesza:

I can't go to see the oldsters anymore. I saw them when they were coming up, on the reunion tour and then the one after that...do I really want to relive the past that badly?

Of course there are exceptions, more than a few, but I just don't understand how the boomers can go year after year to see the same acts perform the same songs over and over again. I hunger for the new.

But what is hyped is crap and the rest of the scene is incomprehensible, loaded with wannabes crying for attention, to the point you give up.

But I stumbled on to ODESZA and last night I finally saw them.

It was an experience.

This is unfathomable to boomers. To them, it was all about the music, and only the music.

To Gen-X, music was a party, more about being a member of the club than what was happening on stage.

What is the appropriate music for today's generation, glued to its smartphones, with the world at its fingertips?

Something that cannot be replicated elsewhere, something that demands your attention, something that melds the past with the present, the analog with the digital in an amalgamation akin to a cyborg.

Now there were 18,000 people there. Sold out. And they're going to repeat the process tonight. And would do it again if they could get the venue.

And most people had no idea it was happening.

That's the modern world in a nutshell. Used to be you knew every act in town, there were never two stars on the same night, now you don't even know when a superstar is playing, even if you're a fan!

But somehow a coterie of people know, it's important to them and they go, even if you may be clueless.[/i ]

curmudgeon, Saturday, 27 July 2019 22:03 (one month ago) link

To Gen-X, music was a party, more about being a member of the club than what was happening on stage.

f you, Bob

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Saturday, 27 July 2019 22:21 (one month ago) link

I don't want to belong to any club that will accept people like me as a member.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 28 July 2019 01:18 (one month ago) link

— I think Kurt Cobain said that. “I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours”; the guy from “Singles” said that.

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Sunday, 28 July 2019 01:23 (one month ago) link

do I really want to relive the past that badly?

Yes, yes you do, Bob.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 28 July 2019 01:50 (one month ago) link

Not to rag on Odesza, who never asked for Bob’s affections, but the “alternative” radio station that recently came to my market that’s basically the rock hits of the late 90’s + Imagine Dragons counts Odesza as one of the few EDM acts they’re willing to play and I find that pretty unsurprising. They’re not bad but they’re very, very Apple Commercial and Lefsetz counting them along his personal list of young turks feels very on-brand.

what else are you all “over” (Champiness), Sunday, 28 July 2019 02:11 (one month ago) link

If you’re interested, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGdn_UzdF5A

what else are you all “over” (Champiness), Sunday, 28 July 2019 02:12 (one month ago) link

Apropos of not much, here's a Lefsetzism popping up on Twitter via Chris Stein:

Bob Lefsetz @Lefsetz:
"Pelosi and her pals are like a Silicon Valley outfit that never releases its product. It's so busy getting it right that it can never come out."

— chris stein (@chrissteinplays) July 28, 2019

screator, Sunday, 28 July 2019 05:31 (one month ago) link

leftsetz ...otm

Vapor waif (uptown churl), Sunday, 28 July 2019 05:52 (one month ago) link

What’s that supposed to mean? The 116th Congress has passed a lot of bills, you can see them here.

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Sunday, 28 July 2019 06:11 (one month ago) link

— I think Kurt Cobain said that. “I'll let you be in my dreams if I can be in yours”; the guy from “Singles” said that.

― the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Saturday, July 27, 2019 8:23 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

i don’t know but i been told
odesza records are going gold.
i ask you how things could get much worse:
if you hear about them from lefsetz first.
wowee
pretty scary

budo jeru, Sunday, 28 July 2019 06:36 (one month ago) link

Talk to any big time music exec. Talent is abundant, but is the act a STAR? Don't forget they call it show BUSINESS, which means it's all about selling, and if people don't buy, you're toast.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 31 July 2019 13:35 (one month ago) link

To progressives, Obama was a disappointment. He was a centrist in an era of tribalism, one could even call it extremism. On his watch, Democrats lost tons of governorships and state legislatures. Sure, he's a dignified man, sure, he's an African-American, BUT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH!

Lionizing Obama is like saying the Backstreet Boys are inviolate, can't be criticized, because the era they triumphed in was good financially. Hell, let's add in 'N Sync while we're at it, didn't they sell in excess of two million CDs in a week? That's right, let's go back to not only CDs, but Nickelodeon, Hummers, all the "great" stuff that existed at the turn of the century.

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Friday, 2 August 2019 17:58 (one month ago) link

four weeks pass...

Are you listening to this new Tool album?

I can't turn it off!

... (Eazy), Sunday, 1 September 2019 23:45 (two weeks ago) link

I started listening to the Lefsetz Podcast again, having only made it through a couple episodes previously. Listened to Waddy Wachtel and it was pretty great, although I was a little creeped out that Wachtel had a deep, gravely voice when he looks like he should have a nasal, nerdy one. So I went on to George Drakoulias and it was likewise a great interview! So I moved on to Grace Slick.

...

I didn't count the number of creepy lines of inquiry about her sex life and relationships, but believe me we really didn't get any of that with Drakoulias. She seemed happy to answer them, but come on.

Then I moved on to Linda Perry. About 15 minutes into Linda's interview she asks something like "wait - what are you doing here?" Meaning, Hollywood/the music business. And Lefsetz launches into a 10 minute spiel about his entire life story. He did this during one of the guys' interviews too, but it was deep into the interview, like well over the hour mark and it felt natural in the flow of conversation. So I've had to take a little breather on the Perry episode

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 10:15 (one week ago) link

This hoser gets guests like Grace Slick and Linda Perry on his podcast?

One more cup of yogurt for the road (morrisp), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 14:49 (one week ago) link

He's had a ton of guests on who I really want to hear interviews with. It's quite a mix of old studio musicians, producers, songwriters, execs, managers, and artists. People from Shirley Manson to Seymour Stein to Aerosmith's producer Jack Douglas to Gilberto Gil.

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 4 September 2019 15:56 (one week ago) link

At this moment, the highest charting Taylor Swift song is "Lover," with a downward arrow, at #28. On the Spotify chart, of course. Forget "Billboard," it's just a way for the ancients to feel good about themselves. That's right, "Billboard" is like D.C., seen as behind the times, irrelevant and powerless. The chartmakers check with the labels before they make any changes, meanwhile, life goes on all around without them.

lover sold 679,000 in its first week--you don't think maybe that some people are listening to their purchased copy as opposed to listening to the same album on spotify? and in the industry's fucked-up calculus, 1 sale is as valuable as 1,500 streams.

normal fucking rockman (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 September 2019 18:08 (six days ago) link

Is he still creeping on Taylor after all this time?

#YABASIC (morrisp), Monday, 9 September 2019 18:16 (six days ago) link


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