― joe schmoe (joeschmoe), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mr. Silverback (Mr. Silverback), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 04:45 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.thegobos.com/images/pastMembers/dickYork.jpg
http://mnvnjnsn.diaryland.com/images/martin.jpg
― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 04:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jouster (Jouster), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 07:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 08:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 08:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 08:51 (eighteen years ago) link
Radiohead vs Qotsa ..thats the competetion in my head
― grapple (grapple), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 10:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 10:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― RalphTheHardDrive (RalphTheHardDrive), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:04 (eighteen years ago) link
I think Chris is.
Which is better? Who knows.
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link
Besides, Chris Martin seems like a po-faced bore. Thom is pretty goofy.
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link
P.S. Where the fuck is the levity in Coldplay music/lyrics, anyway?
x-post
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Arnar Eggert Thoroddsen (arnart1802), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link
He's poisonous. He's utterly banal.
― gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link
THAT'S RIGHT!
― Evan Patio, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link
Something that has already been invented doesn't need reinvention. What already exists and works perfectly should still be used for more.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link
OTM. Coldplay has always been harmless/ignorable at worst and pleasant at best. Thom still wins of course, but how can someone really hate Coldplay? If you say you do, you are lying. How about that, eh?
― regular roundups (Dave M), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link
Geir: Interesting point re:songform... However, would you agree that any given form over time will lose its viability for original creative exploitation as the most succesful permuatations are expended (ie- it gets harder to make something both good and original without changing the template- all the 4 chord patterns and simple melodies have been taken- wondeful as they are). Hence those who keep mining the same template get lucky on ever less frequent occasions...
― gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link
Are you kidding?
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link
Theoretically, you are right. But that moment has yet to arrive for hundreds of years still, as evidenced by all those brilliant songs bands like Coldplay has brought the world lately - songs that may stylistically sound like songs that have been written in the past, but which still contain competely new brilliant melodies with new hooks that were not written before.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link
Also- as a man who apparently likes melodic complexity, I don't really get that with Coldplay- catchy yes, but not surprising.. not intricate, and thats down to the predictable 4 chord loops they build their songs on...
― gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link
xx-post
― erklie (erklie), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link
soo OTM. so i'll go with Martin. I mean, I hate top 40 radio as much as the rest of you, but if I have to hear it in a car I want to hear something written with heart + sincerity.
but it's tough to snub Thom Yorke. what an evil question.
― Wrinklepaws (Wrinklepaws), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link
But honestly- music with heart + sincerity? Well I agree in principle, but what definition of heart and sincerity- not Chris Martin's! Thom Yorke tho a miserable bugger puts more heart into his work I think (i don't really like radiohead anymore, i have to say, but all the same...).
― gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lotta Continua (Damian), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lotta Continua (Damian), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link
Compare: Radiohead interviews where they're kind of shady about influences and then pull out some vaguely krautrockish manuevers VS. Coldplay's "WOO, KRAFTWERK!" song that exists despite the band making ridiculous claims ("Kraftwerk are like the original Gorillaz since no one knows what they look like" leads me to believe Martin never saw an album cover).
Melissa, I think Creed's been superseded by Nickelback as the "rock band" of choice of adult contemporary radio.
― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lotta Continua (Damian), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link
Yellow: I-V sus4add6-IV major7-I
Clocks: I-v-v-ii
Fix You: I-iii add6-vi-V sus4
Speed of Sound: I-v-v-IV
Talk: IV-IV-vi-I
The Scientist: iv minor7-IV-I-I sus
one thing that's interesting is that:
Yellow, In My Place, The Scientist, Speed of Sound, Fix You, and Talk (basically every hit of theirs besides clocks) ALL have choruses which begin on the four chord.
More than anything Coldplay could be accused of copying themselves, but I don't think their chord progressions could be accurately described as "3rd hand" or cliched
― RalphTheHardDrive (RalphTheHardDrive), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link
You mean "Computer Love"?
― Lotta Continua (Damian), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link
The beginning on the fourth chord, (or turning the last chord of the verse into the beginning of the chorus) trick is to save time having to think of some more chords! Its pure laziness... all those plodding 4 chord progressions, or reaching towards obvious resolution... its utterly utterly moribund.
― gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― A representative of the Aja / Dante diaspora, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link
Maybe they should switch bands.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lotta Continua (Damian), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link
Also, I think Talk has an original chord progression, just the riff is taken from kraftwerk.
― RalphTheHardDrive (RalphTheHardDrive), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link
Talk takes its chords directly from the synthbass on the original...
I lioke what Radiohead attempt to be even if I haven't liked their actual music from Amnesiac onwards... (too half arsed, not weird enough, not angry enough) and their fans are cunts, tis true, actually walked outof the last one of their gigs i went to cos the fans were pissing me off too much...
Coldplay are extremely conventional, on their last album Martin is frequently flat especially on his falsetto, and their lyrics are bilge to an incredible, risible degree. Guitarwise they exist entirely within a U2 / Bunnymen matrix. Dull dull dull, achingly, bedwettingly, prematurely ejaculatingly, flacidly dull. I know rubbishing them is almost as dull, but just cos they're an easy target doesn't mean they're not a perfectly valid one.
― gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link
-- the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (miltonpinsk...), May 17th, 2006.
Weird why? Cause Emily and I are actually having a conversation on the topic of this thread vs insulting each other?
Here we go again....Why don`t you contribute your thoughts on the topic of this blog - Yorke vs Martin? Vs tossing insluts?
― Johnny B, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link
I think my position is pretty clear - don`t think Martin is anywhere near Yorke in songwriting talent, but live I have to see to compare...
and back on topic - has anyone else seen both these bands live?
― Johnny B, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― caek (caek), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link
now even your jpegs have grammatical errors in them...
and kinda funny though how YOU read that image before posting it considering what it says - LOL. I actually like having you around on here, you are so entertaining!
back on topic again... has anyone else aside from Emily seen both Radiohead and Coldplay live and if so what are your thoughts?
― Johnny B, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link
I am one and just one person on here.
Chris is on every time Caek is on and Chris`s email address is `no address` - hmmm.
And Dok Faustus and Action Time Version have the same email address.. hmmm ...
so come on spill it - caek, Dok - how many alter egos do you have on here so we know who we are really dealing with when you post ?
And again - back on the topic - has anyone seen these two bands live aside from Emily?
― Johnny B, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link
so again - back to topic - anyone seen these two bands live? and if so do tell of your experience. thx
― Johnny B, Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link
Emily - I had been meaning to ask and keep forgetting with the distractions - where did you see Radiohead and Coldplay? Just curious really. Were Colplay tickets a lot more costly in the last few years?
― Johnny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:24 (eighteen years ago) link
Just a bit uncool though that you faked being the moderator or if you are the moderator that you are so biased... the latter being the less likely scenario anyways given you would have wiped me off of here by now.
pscott - sorry you got sucked into this. Tim Action, given he has a few different names on here, seems convinced we all do that and can`t stand on our own just as he can`t and as a result he is starting to be a bit defensive...
But anyways yes this is all in good fun but I wish we stuck to the topic here - this is really getting tiring...
― Johnny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Johnny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 May 2006 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link
that's ok.
sorry i ahve never seen either band live.
do you think echo and the bunnymen, sigur ros or stump are the most important of coldplay and radiohead's shared influences?
― pscott (elwisty), Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link
Sigur ros - has a bit of their sounds but you know who they actually sound like to me? The Flaming Lips... as to who influenced who there - no idea.
― Johny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Johnny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 03:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Thursday, 18 May 2006 07:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 18 May 2006 08:21 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Sick Mouthy (sickmouthy
better than dave matthews, not as good as madge vs janet j.
TIHS THRAED FAILS H TE TURING TEST!!! TZZT TZZT TZZT ZTTZ. !!!1
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 18 May 2006 11:10 (eighteen years ago) link
stay on TOPIC!!!
― alias: alfonse (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Thursday, 18 May 2006 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link
it's nice to get some support in a music chatroom like this - no, i don't 'get' why some people use sarcasm either Johnny - they're not like that at Yahoo. Personally i think it lowers the tone, even if that means we're never going to be one of the 'in crowd'. wouldn't the world be a nicer place if we all just said what we meant??
personally i prefer Coldplay. They've got a much better understanding of harmony - Radiohead seem to have lost their way a bit since their glory days - sometimes i want to say to them: GET A PROPER GUITAR TUNER!! i know that maybe seems a bit harsh to some people, but there are 12 notes in the western scale and it's just not right to go breaking the rules like that. Rules are there for a reason Tom!!! Coldplay never play the wrong notes on purpose.
― Beeble, Thursday, 18 May 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link
Beeble - about the comment on Radiohead sounding detuned... well they experiment a bit with some less than traditional chord progressions and sound mixining needless to say but most of the time I think the result is good. But I do know some folks who think it can be annoying so I guess it is very debateable. (like some people who loved the bends and ok computer really don`t like the albums after) but also the one thing I have found is that if people listen to them enough, the later albums grow on them. I guess they don`t have immediate appeal when hearing like the earlier albums did.
― Johnny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Johnny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Beeble, Thursday, 18 May 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tim Rutherford-Johnson (Rambler), Thursday, 18 May 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link
I don`t know enough about blogs to have Jouster`s premonitions, but I am learning :)
But back on topic, here is a question for all... which is the best song from Radiohead or Coldplay in your opinion and why?
― Johnny B, Thursday, 18 May 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 19 May 2006 10:14 (eighteen years ago) link
In terms of Radiohead songs, too hard to pick one... I just don`t tire of any of there stuff aside from a few songs on Kid A and Amnesiac. Pretty much anything on The Bends, Ok Computer and Airbag: How is My Driving is great. Huge classics I would say are songs like Lucky, Airbag, A Reminder and Fake Plastic Trees. But really hard to pick them even over a dozen of other songs that are timeless too.
The big test for me is that I toss a CD in the car and see how long I can endure it. Stuff I liked like Coldplay`s Parachutes, Beatles albums, Stones, White Stripes, some of the Brian Jonestown Massacre albums etc etc would do well for 1-3 months before I tired of listening to them almost daily. The Bends and Ok Computer have been in the car CD changer for 4 years now, and I am not even close to being tired of either of them yet...
― Johnny B, Friday, 19 May 2006 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Friday, 19 May 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago) link
so why don`t you focus a bit - tell us which song from which band you like... or anything on the topic of this blog for that matter...
come on, surprise us buddy!
― Johnny B, Friday, 19 May 2006 20:59 (eighteen years ago) link
The point is though: when comparing Coldplay to Radiohead there is no doubt that Radiohead is the more talented band hands down. It seems to me that Coldplay only started out for something to do with their free time, like a lot of bands, but have never really gotten over that or tried to challenge themselves too much. I don't see, though, why everyone is so intent on hating Coldplay just because of how popular they have become in their mediocracy. How were they to know they would become so mainstream? Can't blame them for it, so I don't see why there has to be any sort of hostility towards them for that.
I'm just wondering why the topic is Thom Yorke vs. Chris Martin when most people (including myself) are talking about the bands and music as a whole, and not the individual. If I really want to stay on topic, my answer would be Thom Yorke, just because I have seem many interviews about the guy and have read Dead Air Space and his blogs and all that. I know almost nothing about Chris Martin and his personality.
Sorry that was so long and choppy, inconsistant, etc etc. Just some opinion because I'm really bored at the moment.
― Happy Plant, Saturday, 20 May 2006 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link
Thanks for being on topic!!
― Johnny B, Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link
>:(
― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 21 May 2006 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Sunday, 21 May 2006 21:52 (seventeen years ago) link
I still choose Radiohead over them any day though.
― Happy Plant, Sunday, 21 May 2006 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Checkpoint Charlie, Monday, 22 May 2006 00:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Emily Brown, Monday, 22 May 2006 01:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Johnny B, Monday, 22 May 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link
pscott - I got a chance to spend a bit more time with Echo and the Bunnymen music. I must say thanks for the lead, I hadn`t really heard much of their stuff before as I stated to you earlier. Of the three bands you had mentioned no doubt if any influened Yorke it would be this one.
I also wasn`t surprised to see them as a recommended item to hear on Anton Newcombe`s band`s site. I think they influenced the BJM no doubt too and probably many others for that matter.
thanks again for the lead.
― Johnny B, Friday, 26 May 2006 00:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 26 May 2006 07:50 (seventeen years ago) link
Now do you have anything productive at all to say or not ?
― Johnny B, Friday, 26 May 2006 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link