Lloyd Cole And The Commotions: Classic Or Dud

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Since they keep getting mentioned, you know?

Tom, Friday, 30 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Aargh! The irritating self consciousness, archness and vanity of the early 80s Bunnymen/Smiths axis without the saving tunes, voice, lyrics or arrangements. Listening to laughing Lloyd can be compared to being immersed in a tepid, lukewarm tank of water. For all eternity. a dud, a very palpable dud.

Patterson, Friday, 30 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Some decent tunes, but Cole's grotesque conceit renders the whole thing a dead duck. The name-dropping references(de Beauvoir, Mailer etc) show him up as a perpetual lower-sixth form snob. And he was fat.

Possibly even worse was his re-invention as a 'US-based singer songwriter'. I seem to remember various press articles where fell over himself to make sure that the journo *drank beer* with him. There were photo shoots with Cole wearing a plaid shirt in railroad yards next to boxcars too. Tit.

Dr. C, Friday, 30 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

You should forgive Lloyd Cole for being a 3rd-rate Leonard Cohen; it's not his fault he's British. And don't kid yourself, self- indulgence is key to any song about love. So what if only about 4 songs on even "The Best Of..." are palatable? Don't you remember how cool "Downtown" sounded in that Rob Lowe comeback movie once LC went solo? Jesus. Next you'll want to argue the relative merits of Stump's "A Fierce Pancake".

Ryan, Friday, 30 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I, for one, thought A FIERCE PANCAKE by Stump was fucking brilliant. "HOW MUCH IS THE FISH? HOW MUCH IS THE CHIPS? DOES THE FISH HAVE CHIPS?"

In any case, Lloyd Cole? Well, "My Bag" was a decent enough tune. Can't really comment beyond that.

Alex in NYC, Friday, 30 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I admit i have the debut rattlesnakes in my collection, and play it now and again: forest fire is a great track, and reminds me of the american band Television, the build up of guitars - lloyd cole certainly had a tom verlaine influence.

In 1984 Rattlesnakes had heaps of critical praise in certain quarters looking back at reference guides. Ofcourse most of the lyrics were po faced and far too clever for their own good. AMG profile Lloyd Cole - Rattlesnakes

never bought the second album, easy pieces, lost weekend and brand new friend - were ok/listenable cross over radio hits, that were played on the radio early in the weekday evenings, sunday afternoons, and sunday evenings remember the legendary annie nightingale request show (along with the likes of The Waterboys, China Crisis, Simple Minds, Killing Joke (yes them again), The Cult, Echo & the Bunnymen, Sisters of Mercy, Cocteau Twins, New Order, This Mortal Coil- song to the siren, Propaganda, Big Audio Dynamite E=MC2, The Smiths, Talking Heads and Kate Bush) as a 15 year old school kid in 1985 whilst I was doing my homework. A long time ago.

The stereotype following of Lloyd Cole & the Commotions:

Between 1984 and 1987 Lloyd Cole became strongly associated with a certain stereotypical type of university student following, you know those that studied (serious yet .. um..dull)BA degrees, with a college scarf purchased from the student union shop wrapped around their necks, with the NME tucked under the arm, their first car as a student was a Citreon 2CV, apart from lloyd cole - they also liked the more serious songwriter type artists like everything but the girl, Microdisney and Suzanne Vega and they ended up with worthy serious careers in teaching or social work. Stereotypical I know but THAT WAS Lloyd Cole core audience. Today these fans are in their mid 30s, youth faded away and their only contemporary connections to music are probably the dull likes of travis and coldplay. Can we blame Lloyd Cole for these two artists?

by 1987 Lloyd Cole was crap and had completely run out of new ideas, they were on automatic pilot and making ever so dull music like Hue & Cry, Deacon Blue, Love & Money and their ilk. sophisticated dull adult pop, mostly made in Scotland.

What was it with Scotland around this time with so many bands having the same American influences?

Anyone remember the Scots music magazine around 1986 and 1987 - Cut? which was actually not a bad music magazine, certainly better than the NME - Cut was a sort of Scottish Hot Press, that mixed music and politics.

in the nineties lloyd cole solo- totally off limits on my music radar. most likely dud.

DJ Martian, Friday, 30 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

At forefront of the mid-80s designer stuble movement, though Lloyd's seemed borne more of laziness than a desire to bang Melanie Griffith. Add in the rakish (read: floppy) Bryan Ferry haircut and - oh dear - the wheezing vocal delivery, and DUD. If it's any consolation, "Forest Fire" is marginally better than the likewise dud The Blue Nile.

AP, Saturday, 31 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'll give him some credit for being a T. Rex fan. He forgot to actually put any *SEX* into his cover versions, of course.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 31 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

So it's come to this. I can almost certainly count on the fingers of one hand the number of albums I find more exhilirating than Rattlesnakes. OK, so he's not made anything quite in the same league since (although I know of at least one who'll make a case for the first solo album) but give the man a break. Almost no-one else has. And from what I've heard of his last album, he can still cut it with you youngsters. C L A S S I C!

Ally C, Saturday, 31 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dud.

Omar, Wednesday, 4 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have never seen "On The Waterfront". The reason I have never seen "On The Waterfront" is that I have no desire to know what Eve Marie Saint in "On The Waterfront" looks like. And the reason for that is that the song "Rattlesnakes" has been too useful to me for me to want to bring it down to Earth.

Lloyd Cole has a lot of flaws - he's precious, he drops names, he's a puppydog romantic, he's apallingly inconsistent, he went stubbly and hung around railroad cars. But the fact is that when I was 15 and first heard Five Easy Pieces I thought it was a masterpiece. Now I think it's a curate's egg - as is Rattlesnakes - but I salute its wordy ambitions. The situational portraits and character studies on those two records still resonate.

"Rattlesnakes" itself is awesomely spoony put-her-on-a-pedestal- pop, "Why I Love Country Music" haunts me, the two crossover singles are terrific pop fun, and "Speedboat" and "Minor Character" draw make the micro-genre of heartbroken-observer pop quite their own. I don't know much apart from those albums - I never liked what I heard and I didn't want to spoil things. Maybe he's a songwriter I like because I feel sorry for him. More likely he's a songwriter I like because I feel sorry for myself.

Tom, Thursday, 5 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Some people on this 'thread' have said some reasonable pleasant things about Lloyd. Those people can stand aside now - I've no quarrel with them. (Tom Ewing's points are very finely made, and several of his judgements very sound, though his praise is too faint, and he makes the identical glaring mistake with Lloyd that he made last year with Belle & Sebastian, by calling him 'inconsistent'. I am not convinced that Lloyd or Murdoch are inconsistent.) Anyway, as I say, those people can stand aside, they're OK.

For the rest:

When Bill Clinton first came under legal fire from right-wingers et al during the Lewinsky affair, Gore Vidal imperiously, improbably pronounced that Bill himself would survive this: the bile would rebound ultimately to the doom of his assailants. This is true too of those who here shamefully attack Lloyd. Lloyd and his achievements will outlive your pathetic mewlings.

the pinefox, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
Definetly classic. The fact that we are still talking about him - good or bad belies this. In Australia, his music was big, songs like the poppy "Brand New Friend" and "Lost Weekend" were seminal eighties fare. I always expect to hear his songs on some new teen film dealing with teen ideals and troubles; music like this speaks to people accross the board.

Ben, Thursday, 17 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two weeks pass...
As one of those 30 something university romantics I feel I must defend the Commotions. Pretentious, mais oui! Precious, of course! Self-concious, indeed! It's all about context, the mid 80's in Britain were bloody depressing, Thatcher, the miners strike etc. We had fucking Duran Duran and Spandau Ballet making overblown Martini ad video's. The Smiths, Lloyd Cole, The Bunnymen, Orange Juice and Aztec Camera brought the cleansing fires of the righteous jangling guitar and lyrics which were at least about something college puddings like me could relate to. Yeah, it was wrapped up in image, only Yank bands could get away with looking like a sack of shit e.g. R.E.M., Long Ryders. In Britain the music scene has always gone hand in hand with fashion, look at The Who and The Small Faces. At college being a Smiths/Bunnies/Commotions fan meant wearing the bedsit fashions and possessing literary pretensions. Which is kind of where we came in with bookish Lloyd-a product of the British university system if there ever was one. God Bless.

Marc, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

No-one has mentioned Tom E's recent article yet. OK, it wasn't the vast paean that Lloyd deserved, but thanks all the same, Tom. I don't agree with - or even understand? - all of it - but still, nice to see taste outing, as it does, once in a while.

the pinefox, Sunday, 3 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

See how Tom Ewing once said the only good thing about Belle & Sebastian was theat the singer sounded like Lloyd Cole.

Nick, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

To me the scary thing is what's typed in the google-space. Someone just has to put in "Mark Sinker" Hitler and they track down some an ancient between-you-and-me email saying "Marvellous fellow: soon have German on its feet again, what?"

I mean, now they can.

mark s, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

See also how I compared B+S to Don McClean in that very same thread. I do wonder about myself sometimes.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

echo mark. all my adolescent musings now open to public perusal. gah.

sundar subramanian, Monday, 4 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've just had another look at all the attacks on Lloyd on this page. And - oh, dear - they feel just as dumb, ignorant and annoying as the first time I read them.

Thank goodness for Tom Ewing.

the pinefox, Sunday, 10 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Pinefox, since you object to those anti-lloyd Cole postings so, I wonder why you chose to echo (at least some of) their style elsewhere on this board?

Tim, Tuesday, 12 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well said Tim - Pinefox's comments abt Sonic Youth (for example) were at least as "dumb, ignorant and annoying" as anything said about Lloyd Cole on this thread.

Andrew L, Tuesday, 12 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Except for that last post.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 12 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Grade A Dud. Lloyd's self-regarding lyrics, mid-Atlantic drawl and feeble songwriting talent make tiresome listening. Literate-pop, yeah ...right.

Stevo, Tuesday, 12 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Or that one.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 12 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Pinefox - while searching through some 'matter out of place' in my new flat found a v. old comp tape which had a BBC session version of 'Four Flights Up' on it - sounded really good, much better than the alb version. Did they ever release Lloyd's early sessions anywhere?

Andrew L, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Not that I know of. Don't THINK I ever heard sessions except BBC Live gig broadcast stuff - not studio stuff. Sounds fascinating.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
i remember seeing l cole playing forest fire on british tv to promote rattlesnakes years ago,i wish i could remember the name of the show. anyway to this day it still gives me a rush. its sad he never done anything worth shit since.

joe joyner, Saturday, 25 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nonsense.

the pinefox, Sunday, 26 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
Lloyd's records still hold up well for me after all these years. Yes, I was a college student/fan, but my other tastes are more along the lines of Iggy Pop, the Fall, Minutemen, Joy Division... While I liked the Smiths & the Bunnymen in the 80's, I find very little of it to be of interest now. - unlike their contemporaries the Go-Betweens & the Jazz Butcher. But even the Smiths don't rank as a dud just because I don't feel like listening to them anymore; Morrissey, OK, he's a dud - He added something to the group, but it was Marr that had the talent.

Lloyd Cole is still great because he wrote incredible lyrics (somehow not as shmaltzy as Morrissey, and much more inventive - and quite frankly, I'm tired of the comparison.) Rattlesnakes was an amazing debut, but the longer I listen, the better "Bad Vibes" stands up. I'm never immediately happy with any of Lloyd's releases - it always takes repeated listenings.

Classic.

Dave, Tuesday, 2 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Amazingly, I think I may like Bad Vibes less than you.

But your point re. the way some of Lloyd's records take time to work is absolutely right, and I have rarely seen it recognized. (Best examples: Weird On Me, Love Story.)

the pinefox, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Lloyd still makes very listenable and relevant music today - as he has done for almost 20 years. I was also at University when I first heard him and the sound and lyrics were just right for that time...for me anyway, and have continued to be so throughout the different albums. There are some great lines throughout his songs :”Her heart is like crazy paving, upside down and back to front, she said, “It’s so hard to love when love was your great disappointment” – FANTASTIC! And what is so wrong with making reference to those who influence you (Leonard and Marc take a bow). Maybe Jodie did look like Eve Marie Saint.

Most artists try a different approach to their music at some point in their career (David Bowie springs to mind as the ultimate “reinventor”, then Madonna – or what about Elvis Costello with his Country and Western). Lloyd ventured into some “orchestrated” tracks in “Don’t get Weird…”, however the consistent lyrical content remained. I don’t know if all his songs are autobiographical, but I assume large proportions are. When you listen to them you can easily find references that reflect what goes on in life. Listen to Forest Fire, 2CV (so the room was really green, not blue, put it down to artistic license), Why I love Country Music, My Bag (didn’t everyone try something at sometime?), Jennifer, Loveless, To the Lions, Mister Wrong, Unhappy Song, Tried to Rock (most certainly autobiographical). I have no idea what he went through before/during “Don’t get Weird…”, but how many people can’t relate to the lyrics in tracks like “Half of Everything”? I admit, I didn’t find this album immediately accessible – but after a number of listens it became a regular on the CD player (and still is).

Lloyd’s most recent offering with the Negatives reaffirms my faith in him as a great songwriter – “What’s wrong with this Picture” is so apt (I’m now one of those 30 somethings mentioned earlier, teaching, married, children etc.etc.).

I’ve been listening to Lloyd’s music since 1984, and still do so on an almost daily basis. Sometimes you listen to music for the rhythm of “feel”, sometimes for the words, sometimes for the delivery, or perhaps because it captures certain snippets of life….Lloyd does it all. To paraphrase him (from the time of “Mainstream, I think), some of his songs are great, the others are just brilliant.

No doubt, an absolute CLASSIC!

Graham, Sunday, 7 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have a funny suspicion that this sudden explosion of People That Actually Like Lloyd Cole is some kind of elaborate practical joke. (Yes, I know it isn't really.)

the pinefox, Monday, 8 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Or, Hopefully more likely, that they have just found "greenspun..."!

Graham, Wednesday, 10 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

three weeks pass...
DJ Martian informs me that Lloyd is on his way back to save pop in 2001. Thanks, Martian.

the pinefox, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just providing facts/knowledge - Pinefox - for the benefit of others:

2001 Collected Recordings: Box set includes the new titles "Etc.." & "Plastic Wood", the UK version of "Lloyd Cole & The Negatives" (including "Artificial Tears") and exclusive bonus CD "Loaded" recorded live in New York. Country: UK. Release Date: 5-Nov-01.

Etc.., 14 track 2001 album is more laid-back & acoustic than the last release. Guest guitarist is Richard Hell & The Voidoids founder- member Robert Quine. Country: UK. Release Date: 5-Nov-01.

Plastic Wood, 18-track collection of solo instrumental recordings, many inspired by movies or the work of Brian Eno. Recorded in New York over a 2-year period. Country: UK. Release Date: 5-Nov-01.

Source: Siren Disc Siren Disc - Future Releases

DJ Martian, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks, DJ Martian!

youn, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic, but conditionally so. He's been hit and miss with me for a long time, but those early albums are still worth a listen, certainly, and I can find enough worthy material in the solo years too.

RE the exchange between pinefox and Andrew L above - I have a bootleg CD recorded in '84 at Le Palace, which is good sounding show, and shows a couple of songs to still be in the writing stages...presumably Rattlesnakes was soon to be recorded. Oddly enough, they do a cover of the song Glory twice - opening and closing the show with it. Huh. But that's all I've seen, of that ilk.

Scott, Friday, 9 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I saw Lloyd on Saturday in Chicago. He told a great story about Alice Cooper... Alice said in a show before playingOnly Women Bleed, "Even Lloyd COle doesn't have a song about menstruation."

Lloyd's response, "I'm psyched that Alice Cooper knows who I am."

(great show too.)

Dave225, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two weeks pass...
PineFox -

Did you know that Lloyd Cole has a "box set" out? (It's Etc., Plastic Wood & a Negatives Live CD. + the Negatives)

If you've heard it, rate it.

If not -
http://www.megaworld.co.uk/acatalog/Megaworld_NEW_28.html#aN_2dC008
(They just raised the price - I bought it last week for £19.)

Dave225, Friday, 30 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Etc. is really good. Lovely melodies. I like how he sings in different styles. His voice on 'Weakness' sounds like I've never heard it before.

youn, Sunday, 9 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Just wanted to add my two cents as a thirty something married teacher with kids. I've loved Lloyd Cole since I was a freshman in high school (1984). The lyrics are pretentious--and as a future English major that was exactly what I liked about them. I actually read Norman Mailer because of Lloyd Cole. I agree with an earlier post that a lot of the music I listened to in the 80's, like the Smiths and Echo, haven't held my interest as I grew up, but I still listen to my Lloyd Cole cds (the ones I've been able to replace--I can't find Easy Pieces and it's driving me crazy) weekly. Sometimes I'll leave Rattlesnakes playing in the car for days--much to my husband's chagrin.

LC is brilliant, haunting, witty, charming, pretentious, goofy, multi- layered, intellectual, honest, and has very much continued to reflect my feelings about, and experiences with, life and love. (Hmmm. Sounds like a description of Shakespeare.) What more can we ask of any artist?

By the way, if anyone knows where I might find Easy Pieces on cd please let me know. I can't find it anywhere!!!

steph

steph, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

LC is brilliant, haunting, witty, charming, pretentious, goofy, multi- layered, intellectual, honest, and has very much continued to reflect my feelings about, and experiences with, life and love. (Hmmm. Sounds like a description of Shakespeare.) What more can we ask of any artist?

Pinefox! Back! She said she was married!

Tom, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

grad-school pretension taking sides: stephanie pikul read n.mailer cuz of l.cole; i read 'of grammatology' becuz of s.politti

mark s, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think I heard "Jacques Derrida" by Scritti because of having read him first. I like the way that works.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 2 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Stephanie: Easy Pieces is easy to get on CD... isn't it? I've certainly seen it in the last 2 years or so.

I only have the old vinyl, but bought a second copy a few months back and (I think) immediately gave it away. (Didn't I? I can't remember much these days.)

There used to be a 2-for-1 tape of Rattlesnakes and Easy Pieces. (This is Peter Miller territory. Stories about teenage Buxton impend.)

All this is framed, of course, by the fact that Easy Pieces, while good by most standards, is one of the worst Lloyd Cole records ever. Probably only Bad Vibes and Plastic Wood, in their different ways, are worse.

the pinefox, Thursday, 3 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why don't you like 'Bad Vibes' ? I find it much more listenable than 'Mainstream' these days. Please explain.

Dave225, Thursday, 3 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The material's just not there. Opens with a cracker; track 2 is lightweight fun; 'Holier Than Thou' is laboured. 'Love You So What' is good (always puts me in mind of Lennon; guess it's just the cold turkey line); so is 'My Way To You'.

But side 2 really tumbles. 'Too Much of a Good Thing' possibly = LC's worst ever LP track. 'Fall Together' is a bit of a folly that hardly manages to improve on 'Come Together'. 'Wr Wrong' is very good; esp the acoustic solo. 'Seen The Future' is fun I guess but not much more. 'Can't Get Arrested' is a pretty lame way to limp out.

I'm being too harsh - I've played this LP a LOT over 8 years, and that only on a poor tape copy. But I just don't think it stands up vs the others. It's underwritten, after the (magnificent) first track; maybe that's the basic problem.

the pinefox, Thursday, 3 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

What did you think of The Negatives album, Pinefox?

Mark, Thursday, 3 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Best LP of 2000.

the pinefox, Thursday, 3 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://open.spotify.com/track/7iVBfvL8cvb2GmljUDJE6Y

the pinefox, Sunday, 12 July 2009 09:18 (thirteen years ago) link

i had a dream about lloyd a few nights ago.

jed_, Sunday, 12 July 2009 11:41 (thirteen years ago) link

i like to hear Mainstream every once in a while. to think 29 once seemed so old to me! still a pretty song to hear at 40.

scott seward, Sunday, 12 July 2009 12:37 (thirteen years ago) link

i can't actually remember 29 - maybe i'll dig the record out today. i still fondly remember From the Hip Sean Penn Blues and Big Snake. i always thought My Bag was a bit of a crap song though.

a lad who has just started working at my local shop looks like a young Lloyd. that's probably why i had that dream about him the other night. i can't remember the details of the dream though.

jed_, Sunday, 12 July 2009 12:59 (thirteen years ago) link

I listened to Don't Get Weird On Me, Babe last week. "She's a Girl and I'm a Man" may be his greatest song.

My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 July 2009 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Currently finding myself obsessed with Easy Pieces. It's the only one of the Commotions-era albums I never owned (though I heard several of its songs on the best of).

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 24 July 2010 07:58 (twelve years ago) link

"Minor Character" is often my fave Lloyd Cole song.

flashing drill + penis fan (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 24 July 2010 08:09 (twelve years ago) link

While "Easy Pieces" is the weakest of the Commotions album, it's still really solid. Better live, I think, without some of the odd production choices.

Meanwhile, Lloyd's got a new album with a real-live band coming out in September. Fan-financed (including me) this time. I'm very glad to see he's got other folks with him as his last two solo albums were very weak, in part I think because he's all alone with himself.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 24 July 2010 14:25 (twelve years ago) link

Johnny Fever OTM; serious disagreement with Gerald McBoing-Boing. LOVE Easy Pieces all the way through, no discernable weaknesses to be found

T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Saturday, 24 July 2010 14:42 (twelve years ago) link

Does it have to be a SERIOUS disagreement? I mean, I rank the Commotions albums thusly:

Rattlesnakes - 10/10, fucking perfect, timeless album.

Mainstream - 9/10, love this to death as well, great tunes, clever lyrics ("Mr. Madonna" indeed), slightly less timeless. Admittedly this was the first Lloyd album I heard so there might be some nostalgia fogging my vision.

Easy Pieces - 8.5/10, when I say this is the 'weakest', I mean it's simply their 3rd best of 3. And "Brand New Friend", "Grace", "Perfect Blue" and "James" are better on the BBC comp while "Cut Me Down", "While I Love Country Music" and "Lost Weekend" kill on the recent Folksinger solo albums.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 24 July 2010 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

For me it goes Mainstream>>Rattlesnakes>>>Easy Pieces. I think the third album just edges out the first by virtue of its darker edge and the sense of melancholy that haunts much of it. Rattlesnakes is great but it just sounds a little bit too clever in places, although the 20th anniversary reunion show I saw in 2004 was a blissful affair. As for Easy Pieces it's a classic example of the difficult second album to me, a few of the conceits are rather strained and the production sounds kind of cluttered. I remember reading an interview with Cole somewhere in which he said that "Minor Character" was one of the few songs he was ashamed of, just too easy and tossed off.

The self-titled solo album pretty much takes up where Mainstream left off and is also excellent, it was downhill from then on.

margana (anagram), Sunday, 25 July 2010 12:05 (twelve years ago) link

I'll disagree (but not seriously) with that sentiment - Lloyd's solo work in the 90s is damn solid, though I'll admit that "Bad Vibes" is just a strange album, an example of an artist working outside his comfort zone and failing - but in a fascinating way, I think. "The Negatives" was as good as anything else he's done.

Some artists have voices I'll follow anywhere they go, Lloyd is one of them.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 25 July 2010 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

CA is where
Everybody falls
Down, off the wagon
And under the wheels

Great, great song.

Vast Halo, Sunday, 25 July 2010 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

Actually I'd forgotten about Love Story, which is just a fantastic album.

margana (anagram), Sunday, 25 July 2010 21:20 (twelve years ago) link

G McB-B, I now understand where you are coming from and I'll retract "serious". Maybe substitute even "minor."

T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Monday, 26 July 2010 04:01 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/16/low_bowies_crowning_moment/singleton/

Lloyd-penned ode to "Low"

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 16 June 2012 17:52 (ten years ago) link

I am the 5 other ILM fans of Lloyd thank you for that link!

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 16 June 2012 20:58 (ten years ago) link

seven months pass...

there's some stuff on soundcloud too iirc?

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 8 February 2013 19:17 (nine years ago) link

it sounds good imo! cool cover, will look good on v1ny1.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 8 February 2013 19:21 (nine years ago) link

that's a pretty improbable pairing. lloyd cole meets electronic krautrock pioneer.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 8 February 2013 21:00 (nine years ago) link

it's v pleasant from what i can tell -- http://soundcloud.com/lloydcole/sets/cole-roedelius-pre-release/

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 8 February 2013 21:06 (nine years ago) link

where is lloyd cole? doesn't he sing? the electronics are a little on the boring side, i'd say.

it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 8 February 2013 21:18 (nine years ago) link

i dunno, those are the only tracks i've heard
not sure if he sings or plays guitar o que
i like boring electronic music so it's a-ok with me

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 8 February 2013 21:20 (nine years ago) link

yeah, i liked the portion i heard.

that's real banjo bro (Hunt3r), Friday, 8 February 2013 21:24 (nine years ago) link

xxp he made an instrumental electronic album over a decade ago ... which led to this collaboration.

fit and working again, Friday, 8 February 2013 22:39 (nine years ago) link

six years pass...

thanks for that. rattlesnakes to this day remains one of the most amazing guitar albums of all-time without any filler. forest fire still kills especially his solo at the end. here is what i wrote about that album some time ago.

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 8 November 2019 22:44 (three years ago) link

Out of nowhere a couple of weeks ago I got this line and melody stuck in my head: "He looks like Marlon Brando in On The Waterfront." My (older every day) brain could not pin it down, so I just kind of walked around for a couple of days while it popped to the fore of my memory every once in a while. Finally it clicked and I realized it was Lloyd Cole and I had the lyrics wrong (but I was on the right track!).

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 November 2019 00:06 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

Great news! This Tory government can soon be replaced by another Tory Government, with an, arguably, misleading name.

— Lloyd Cole (@Lloyd_Cole) January 19, 2022

the pinefox, Wednesday, 19 January 2022 15:22 (one year ago) link

his solo?

Mark G, Wednesday, 19 January 2022 16:55 (one year ago) link

his twitter persona makes me wish i had never followed him. i do not care what he is cooking or anything about his exercise schedule.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 19 January 2022 17:08 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbY0BJfhB5k

Ages and names

youn, Wednesday, 19 January 2022 17:25 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

This reminds me of Prefab Sprout:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oua2EArBQy0

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 March 2022 15:53 (eleven months ago) link

I'm pretty sure it's not the version on the album on which it was originally released, which might also be of interest. There are probably no major differences.

youn, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 17:14 (eleven months ago) link

(Maybe the need for there to be an extended version is itself a bad sign, but I still love Lloyd Cole and the Commotions, and I am pretty sure the Prefab Sprout comparison was meant favorably?)

youn, Wednesday, 2 March 2022 17:26 (eleven months ago) link

ten months pass...

Dug *Standards* out tonight. Found the album during the first lockdown and, accordingly, love it unconditionally. 'Myrtle and Rose' is such a great track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-hCpAoCZak

Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Friday, 20 January 2023 22:39 (two weeks ago) link

She telephoned to say that she'd cut her wrists
Instead she beat the walls with her fists
Til they bled
Running red
Running back
Again

Kieth Encounter (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 January 2023 23:31 (two weeks ago) link

His last few albums have been great. "Broken Record" and "Standards" are exactly what you want and expect from Lloyd, but his last one, "Guesswork", is Lloyd adding a synthy/krauty kind of album and it's fantastic. A great example of an artist stretching their style.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 20 January 2023 23:34 (two weeks ago) link

Those lyrics are great. xp

lord of the rongs (anagram), Saturday, 21 January 2023 00:31 (two weeks ago) link

Agree with all the above.

the pinefox, Saturday, 21 January 2023 10:40 (two weeks ago) link

Him talking about Limmy absolutely ruined him for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bltQ07N6HxQ

houdinisaid, Saturday, 21 January 2023 12:50 (two weeks ago) link

Lived in Glasgow for four years, taught himself Flash, he could almost have been Limmy, only he would have written a better book.

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 January 2023 13:02 (two weeks ago) link

Sorry, reading Scots just makes me laugh.

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 January 2023 15:16 (two weeks ago) link

I'll no let that worry me.

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 January 2023 16:29 (two weeks ago) link

How do we even know it is real Scots and not just the work of a Septic bairn?

The Gate of Angels Laundromat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 21 January 2023 17:07 (two weeks ago) link

It may as well be, it's like trying to resurrect Shakespearean English in the 21st century. Plus there's the horrible bigoted element of arseholes in Northern Ireland saying the Fenians have got Gaelic so we want Ulster Scots to he treated as a separate language too.

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 January 2023 22:35 (two weeks ago) link

"Him talking about Limmy absolutely ruined him for me."

that is the 2nd time I've listened to that R4 book show clip, and he sounds like an even bigger wanker this time.

calzino, Saturday, 21 January 2023 23:21 (two weeks ago) link

OTM

A Drunk Man Looks At Partick Thistle (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 January 2023 23:34 (two weeks ago) link


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