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Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 18 March 2006 19:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Overnight Sensation. Go All The Way is a close second. Starting Over is my favorite non-hit.

John Fredland (jfredland), Saturday, 18 March 2006 23:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'll stick with The Choir... "I'd Rather You Leave Me."

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Saturday, 18 March 2006 23:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

No. 1 Record

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Sunday, 19 March 2006 01:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

No. 1 Record = Overnight Sensation

(oops x-post sorry)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Sunday, 19 March 2006 01:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Tonight."

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 19 March 2006 04:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Go All The Way because it apes the Beatles, The Beach Boys AND The Who.

Jimmy Mod: GRILL ENSPEKTOR (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 19 March 2006 04:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Overnight Sensation"

Dominique (dleone), Sunday, 19 March 2006 05:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Tonight

Keith C (lync0), Sunday, 19 March 2006 05:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Go All the Way" but "Overnight Sensation" is so close

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 19 March 2006 05:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I Wanna Be With You

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Monday, 20 March 2006 01:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"Play On" always catches me by surprise with how good it is

drew lichtenberg, Monday, 20 March 2006 02:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"go all the way" all the way

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Monday, 20 March 2006 02:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Drivin' Around

PappaWheelie V, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 21:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I like nearly everything I ever hear by them even though they're more Paul McCartney than he himself ever was.

the next grozart, Tuesday, 26 February 2008 22:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Been listening through Power Pop Vols. 1 and 2 - how did I miss this stuff for so long? "I Can Remember" is epic!

Simon H., Tuesday, 7 October 2008 12:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

this band is so criminally forgotten

Pre-Beatles Yoko Ono (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 April 2009 19:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

Saw a great concert way back when: Eric Carmen (just post-Raspberries, but still doing all their hits with a crack new band) warming up for The Sweet circa "Desolation Boulevard."

Such A Hilbily (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 16 April 2009 20:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

"i wanna be with you" or "seemed so easy"

k3vin k., Saturday, 16 May 2009 20:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

i've only heard the first one though, which is incredible

k3vin k., Saturday, 16 May 2009 20:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

Anyone here heard Cyrus Erie's 'Get the Message'? Not Raspberries per se but that'd be my pick.

Moka, Saturday, 24 October 2009 06:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

How about "On the Beach" from Side 3? Feels like it has about 7 parts -- including a great melancholy verse, a ridiculously optimistic chorus, a fast middle-8, and an excellent "I Want You/She's So Heavy" descending guitar pastiche with seagulls squawking in the background.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 2 July 2012 02:21 (six years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Will check that one out. Just heard this annoying cover of "Go All The Way" by The Killers and need to clear my ears.

Albee Thousand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 5 January 2013 21:23 (six years ago) Permalink

man this band was really good

fiscal cliff paul (k3vin k.), Saturday, 12 January 2013 06:31 (six years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

this song is sick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzX6wNjRZwI

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 14 March 2013 21:34 (six years ago) Permalink

seriously

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 15 March 2013 01:21 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

otm

new favorite is "i saw the light"

'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Sunday, 5 May 2013 19:06 (six years ago) Permalink

tonight.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Sunday, 5 May 2013 19:29 (six years ago) Permalink

they have a lot of amazing songs though it's true

'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Sunday, 5 May 2013 19:32 (six years ago) Permalink

Usually just stick to the hits but this thread inspiring me to dig deeper. Anyway is there a thread for all-time best series of album openers because

Raspberries, "Go All The Way"
Fresh, "I Wanna Be With You"
Side 3, "Tonight"
Starting Over, "Overnight Sensation"

Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 03:58 (six years ago) Permalink

OK, tbh there are some boilerplate tracks buried in between the hits and the deep cuts that threaten to derail the listening experience.

Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 04:24 (six years ago) Permalink

their greatest hits, which is like 20 songs, is almost uniformly great

'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 04:35 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah. With respect to the original albums, so far Side 3 seems to be the one for me. The big, um, wall of sound on every single track.

Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 04:36 (six years ago) Permalink

of their actual albums i've only heard fresh, which i thought was pretty even

'scuse me while i make the sky cum (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 04:48 (six years ago) Permalink

Will listen again. Perhaps it will fall into place. If we close our eyes and believe it will all come true.

Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 05:09 (six years ago) Permalink

Love this rhythmic figure they use over and over again where the bass emphasizes the beats three four one. Kind of like a modified bolero.

Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 05:12 (six years ago) Permalink

Which songs have that?

timellison, Tuesday, 7 May 2013 23:37 (six years ago) Permalink

"Tonight," "I Wanna Be You" right before the chorus.

Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 May 2013 23:43 (six years ago) Permalink

Not hearing it on the last album though. Did hear a bass voice on the right channel of "Overnight Sensation" I never noticed before.

Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 00:39 (six years ago) Permalink

THREE FOUR ONE You looked too young to know about romance. Oh yes you did
THREE FOUR ONE But when you smiled I had to take a chance, I had to to take a chance and be with you
Tonight, I'll be with you tonight
Tonight, you'll love me too tonight

Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 00:54 (six years ago) Permalink

If we were older
ONE THREE FOUR ONE
We wouldn't have to be worried tonight
ONE (two) and THREE FOUR ONE
THREE FOUR ONE (= Ba-by Oh)
I wanna with you so bad
Yeah I wanna be with you

Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 01:03 (six years ago) Permalink

"Go All The Way" too

Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 01:07 (six years ago) Permalink

Please THREE FOUR ONE (=Ba-by go)

and elsewhere throughout the song

Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 01:10 (six years ago) Permalink

do u see?

Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 01:21 (six years ago) Permalink

Interesting stuff. I wonder if they got it from somewhere.

timellison, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 01:49 (six years ago) Permalink

On another thread it was suggested that they borrowed heavily from The Small Faces.

Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 01:53 (six years ago) Permalink

I was just listening to The Beach Boys Today the other day and the chorus melody in "She Knows Me Too Well" rang the Raspberries bell. The descending part is also in the chorus of "Go All the Way."

timellison, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 02:24 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm like a humungous Wally Bryson fan, btw.

timellison, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 02:47 (six years ago) Permalink

OK, I did this:

http://thisiheard.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-raspberries-ecstasy-1973.html

timellison, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 03:44 (six years ago) Permalink

Cool. Why does it say "tenor"? Also dominant prep chord, is that a V of V?

Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 10:26 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it seems like Star really loved this band.

I imagine Capital was greasing the wheels pretty heavily, but it is interesting--if one didn't know any better, by looking at those mags, you would think the Raspberries were as big as the Stones, Bowie, Alice etc.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 12 May 2019 18:35 (one week ago) Permalink

I don't think they really had a song that clicked after "Go All the Way," although you would think any of them - "I Wanna Be with You," "Let's Pretend," "Tonight," "Overnight Sensation" - could have. Maybe they just didn't fit in enough.

timellison, Sunday, 12 May 2019 22:35 (one week ago) Permalink

Metal Mike Saunders wrote a piece on Raspberries for a late '80s called Swellsville that I wish I still had. One of the things I remember about it was him talking about Raspberries having the courage to open for Blue Oyster Cult at some Chicago show in '73 even though it wasn't their crowd.

timellison, Sunday, 12 May 2019 22:42 (one week ago) Permalink

Off the top of my head I’d say that maybe at the time things had to signify as either more rock or more pop and they were trying to split the difference which had gone out of fashion. But this is just pure speculation on my part.
Xp

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 22:44 (one week ago) Permalink

Never knew that Bruce Springsteen and Max Weinberg were pretty serious fans until I just read about it on Wikipedia.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 22:47 (one week ago) Permalink

maybe at the time things had to signify as either more rock or more pop

Yeah, you would think, but then "Go All the Way" did pretty well. Maybe signifying as pop, I don't know. In any case, they weren't able to follow it up.

Maybe they were too formulaic! "I Wanna Be with You" does that same thing, too, with a 6-bar verse and 16-bar chorus! To me, they are formulaic in an awesome way.

timellison, Sunday, 12 May 2019 22:59 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, to me too, but I don’t always have my finger on the pulsebeat of young America, as has been demonstrated on a few occasions.

In other news, listening to a few tracks on this Pop Art Live album and not hating it. Don’t know how many actual Raspberries are on it, but it sounds like Eric singing and the rest sends pretty faithful to the classic sound.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:04 (one week ago) Permalink

Apparently it’s the classic lineup. *takes a breath*

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:08 (one week ago) Permalink

Beatles and Who covers too

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:10 (one week ago) Permalink

From 2004, released in 2017.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:14 (one week ago) Permalink

Another date from later in the tour had been released as Live on Sunset Strip.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:18 (one week ago) Permalink

maybe at the time things had to signify as either more rock or more pop

I think this is it. They remind me of Badfinger in a way because they'd do some hard rock/boogie stuff on their albums, as if to prove they weren't just a pop band, and the hard rock/boogie stuff was almost completely worthless.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:20 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, when I wrote that I was even thinking of Badfinger occupying similar territory but getting a pass for the reasons you describe.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:22 (one week ago) Permalink

They had enough power just doing the Carmen pop-rock tunes. "Tonight" could be the New York Dolls or Kiss.

timellison, Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:23 (one week ago) Permalink

From that reunion tour, on Sunset Strip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07lZSp9yQ-M

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:23 (one week ago) Permalink

(xp) Absolutely, why bother trying to sound like Humble Pie or something.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:26 (one week ago) Permalink

Something else presumably from that reunion tour, this time with proper video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07lZSp9yQ-M

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Aargh, sorry, forgot about the cut and paste problem when you try to paste a video after the original one you hit. Hang on a sec.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:28 (one week ago) Permalink

Okay, Jim seems a wee bit uncomfortable trying to play Michael’s fills on “Overnight Sensation” but otherwise this reunion stuff sounds really good.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:43 (one week ago) Permalink

I like this description here:
http://ericcarmen.com/forums/index.php?/topic/7870-jim-bonfanti-or-michael-mcbride/#comment-92126
mikes "refrigerator falling down a flight of stairs" style

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:44 (one week ago) Permalink

But maybe he got more comfortable with it later in the tour, that was from the first night. As is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhpgjGYIYjk

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:50 (one week ago) Permalink

One more video, from later in the tour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ErtYeBJS4

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:53 (one week ago) Permalink

This starts off with some annoying stuff from the interviewer but Eric has some great stories to tell: https://observer.com/2017/08/eric-carmen-raspberries-pop-art-live-interview/

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 00:04 (one week ago) Permalink

Part of me wants to go on the Burt Bacharach poll thread and stir things up by saying Eric is just as good a songwriter, better even, but that’s not quite my style right now.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 00:15 (one week ago) Permalink

I successfully chased you guys off the thread, the same way Eric chased the other guys out of the band.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 01:07 (one week ago) Permalink

We are here to support you.

timellison, Monday, 13 May 2019 01:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Go all the way, man!

timellison, Monday, 13 May 2019 01:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Eric is good and inventive, but he's no Bacharach.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 13 May 2019 01:24 (one week ago) Permalink

Perhaps I would rather say I prefer the more modest but solid and consistent achievement of someone like Eric to the hits and misses of the other guy.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 01:34 (one week ago) Permalink

Perhaps if I had to watch Cilla Black sing "Let's Pretend" I would feel differently.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 02:21 (one week ago) Permalink

Okay, just looked up what Eric said Brian Wilson told him about falsetto voices and apparently it’s true. I mean not that I would doubt Eric or Brian but sometimes misunderstandings arise.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 03:22 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's news to me, too!

timellison, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:03 (one week ago) Permalink

what'd he say what'd he say

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 13 May 2019 04:34 (one week ago) Permalink

Carmen has no falsetto and Wilson said this is true for all true tenors.

timellison, Monday, 13 May 2019 05:10 (one week ago) Permalink

That’s what is said in the interview. Think that the more correct version of the statement is something like “baritones are more likely to be good falsetto singers than tenors,” apologies for the Internet pedantry.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 09:54 (one week ago) Permalink

So here's my little Raspberries-adjacent story from a couple of months ago:

I had been looking to buy a Strat, and saw one for sale on a local Northeast Ohio gear sell/swap/trade group on Facebook. The seller, Randy, was about 40 minutes away from me in Painesville, OH. (Just west of where I went to high school in Perry, OH.) I drove out to look at it, we agreed on a price, and I bought it. We were chatting throughout the transaction, and he mentioned that he was going to use this money for a new Gretsch to use in his band, The Choir.

"Wait," I said. "The Choir? Like, 'It's Cold Outside' The Choir?" He said it was, and it turns out he was Randy Klawon, brother of The Choir founder Danny Klawon, and that the two of them went to high school in Mentor, the next city over, with Wally Bryson, Jim Bonfanti, etc. Randy joined The Choir a little later originally but played with them on and off over their various reunions and incarnations.

I then asked if he knew a guy named Artie Peeler, another local musician who is good friends with Wally Bryson. He said yeah, he'd known Artie since high school as well. Artie used to date my aunt Debra, and when I was first learning guitar in the 80s he taught me some tricks like different chord voicings and Keith Richards's open G tuning. And to complete the small world circle, he knew Wally's son Jesse, who used to front a Cleveland band called Rosavelt back in the 90s. My band at the time played a couple of shows with them.

Here's a video of Bryson and Peeler at a local bar last Christmas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WZaddldaaU

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Monday, 13 May 2019 14:05 (one week ago) Permalink

Cool! Thanks for the story and the video.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 17:54 (one week ago) Permalink

no votes for "i don't know what i want"? amazing song

na (NA), Monday, 13 May 2019 18:16 (one week ago) Permalink

That's such a great story, Eliza!

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 13 May 2019 19:10 (one week ago) Permalink

"I Don't Know What I Want" is indeed amazing; it even quotes "I'm A Boy"!

Apparently, Eric Carmen was a stone Who fanatic -- he called that song his "love letter to the Who" -- and his pre-Raspberries band Cyrus Erie once opened for the Who in Cleveland in 1968.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 13 May 2019 19:26 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, he talks about how term Power Pop was originally used by Pete Townshend to describe what The Who was doing but the term ending up really sticking to The Raspberries, which was fine with him.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 20:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Also, this is interesting:
http://www.ericcarmen.com/eric-interview-03.html

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 20:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Forgot that Wally Bryson was in Fotomaker, which band I can’t recall ever having listened to.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 01:29 (one week ago) Permalink

Probably did hear a radio promo for them and definitely saw the album in ye olde brick and mortar record stores.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 01:33 (one week ago) Permalink

Surely Pete Frame did a Family Tree for this stuff.

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 01:37 (one week ago) Permalink

* checks book * dang, no

WmC, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 02:21 (one week ago) Permalink

Also, from that interview I posted yesterday:

I was a little bit in the dark initially about how this was all going to work and at one point Ringo I think could see that I was stressed. Simon and I were going to accompany him to a show while we were in Atlantic City that he was supposed to go to, and I arrived at his room first and he said something like, "I sense a bit of the perfectionist in you." *Laughs* "Not unlike Mark Hudson."

Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 10:23 (one week ago) Permalink


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