"Who' Next" - Classic or Dud?

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I keep trying but it does nothing for me ???

you ?

grapple (grapple), Monday, 13 March 2006 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link

give up, it's a dud.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Search: The fiddle at the end of "Baba O'Reilly"
Destroy: Everything else.

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link

shoved down everyone's throat via classic rock radio…not dud, tho…just too much gravitas, not enuff fun…

veronica moser (veronica moser), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Yer all world class dopes. World class dopes tend not to like "Who's Next", 'cause it's really good.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Ian, are you ready for the full wrath of Stormy upon his inevitable arrival on this thread?

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link

what would CSI spin-offs be without it?

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Most of The Who's material grows on me. I still consider "The Who Sellout" their definitive pinnacle, followed not too closely by "Tommy", but "Who's Next" is classic as well.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Great instrumental album marred by idiotic singing/lyrics.

The synth/organ stuff is especially classic.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link

"Who's Next" is a classic album; every song's topnotch except for "Love Ain't for Keeping," which is merely good.

happy jack, Monday, 13 March 2006 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link

The part I referred to as a fiddle is actually a synth, no?

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link

I never need to hear it again.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:21 (thirteen years ago) link

The beginning of Baba O'Reilly -- totally classic. Same with Won't Get Fooled Again up until the part where that putz goes "YEEEAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!"

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Baba BRO'Reilly

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Half of it's amazing. Half of it's incredible crap that only works when you're so fucking full of drugs that you think ol' Pete's profound.

js (honestengine), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link

I should add that I like the singles off the album...obviously won't get fooled again is a great song....i'm just realising/wondering if the Who are just a singles band - will have to check "Sell Out" though

grapple (grapple), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link

I heard one song off that album way too much, as reported briefly here

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Love Ain't For Keeping.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link

two and a half good songs (baba, fooled, first half of behind), pretty bad otherwise, still better than tommy (which has NO good songs, sorry).

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link

The horn parts in "My Wife"

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Sure, you've heard "Baba O'Riley" and "Won't Get Fooled Again" too many times (damn you, CSI!) its undeniably classic, easily the Who's OPO. If nothing else, for Entwistle's best song "My Wife." (pleasant beat me to it)

Mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link

"Bargain"!

I love this album but I wouldn't try & sell it to anybody in a million years. I can see how people find it boring.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link

"entwistle's best song" is not very high praise!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link

I still like "My Wife", but overall it's one of my least favorite Who albums. It kind of sounds like a big SUV commercial these days.

darin (darin), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm amazed at how low The Who's stock has fallen. It wasn't long ago they occupied a clear #3 in the classic rock canon, behind The Beatles and Rolling Stones. Now they might not even be in the top ten.

Who's Next is an all-time classic, by the way.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link

"entwistle's best song" is not very high praise!
Don't let Colin M see this.

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link

i actually do still love the who - their best stuff (early singles, sell out, "i can see for miles," "fooled") means more to me than almost any other 'classic'-era rock. but they're easily the most inconsistent band i've ever liked.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link

"Bargain"!
I love this album but I wouldn't try & sell it to anybody in a million years. I can see how people find it boring.

-- Mark (r-...), March 13th, 2006 7:23 PM.

ditto. I love it. I get sick of some of the songs like anyone else, but now and then one of them hits me like a ton of bricks. I used to hate "Bargain" but it might be my favorite now.

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm amazed at how low The Who's stock has fallen. It wasn't long ago they occupied a clear #3 in the classic rock canon, behind The Beatles and Rolling Stones. Now they might not even be in the top ten.

So OTM. It is weird. I guess a lot of it is The Who didn't grow old gracefully next to those other bands (Townshend arrested for child porn, among other things), plus their back catalog was never treated as something with value. Who records have always been seen as something you pick up cheap at a flea market, where the Beatles and Stones make every reissue seem like a big event.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Thinking about it now it's probably the repeated reunion tours with no new material. If they'd broken up after "It's Hard," bad as that album was, people would still be talking about them. Serious music fans under 30 will still rep for the Meaty Beaty-era singles, but the band may as well have ended with Live at Leeds as far as they are concerned.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Who By Numbers used to mean a lot to me but I haven't talked about it w/ anybody for 10 years at least. It's like it doesn't exist now.

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Best song on this one is "The Song Is Over", great piano line, love the shift to C with "Pure and Easy" reference at the end. "Baba O'Riley" is of course classic. I always loved "Love Ain't for Keeping" as well--short and sweet. I think the least one on this album is "Goin' Mobile".

I like Who By Numbers more, overall.

Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Such a great band, and such a weirdly flawed band--almost every song/record I love by them has some kind of "yes, but..." aspect to it.

Entwistle's best song = "Heaven and Hell," no contest.

Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Agreed.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Jeez, this is real kill yr idols stuff right here. Poor The Who. What's next, we tie Elvis' corpse to a lamppost and beat it like a pinata?

M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link

The less Daltrey gets to emote, the better. Douglas is right: this album is packed with great songs, yet most of the time it makes me wince.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link

What's next, we tie Elvis' corpse to a lamppost and beat it like a pinata?
I believe this is what John Lennon referred to as being "strapped to the throne like Elvis Beatle."

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Wait a minute? Didn't we do this album before? As part of the Mike Costello Lost Classic series?

The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 03:41 (thirteen years ago) link

here's the thing about the 'orrible OO…I don't think wimmen like them, largely. hold them up to LZ, to whom they have the most parallels, lineup-wise, wimmen will always choose LZ.

Plus, cause of Moon's disinterest in/inability to keep straight time, you can't fuck to the Who. Whereas LZ, via the baddest, solidest, most-deliciously behind the beat englishman to ever put wood to pigskin, well…


veronica moser (veronica moser), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Some classic songs (five or six I remember) but the overall message of the album is so packed with classic rock baggage that it's hard to take as a whole. Pete Townsend was still writing the lyrics and Daltrey still singing the song like civilization depended on rock to pull it through the dreary 1970s.

Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 03:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I recommend not googling Veronica Moser.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Mark's comments really OTM. I went through a huge Who phase about 10 years ago, kept the CD's but yeah, they just sit on the shelf, mostly, and I didn't expect them to. Who By Numbers used to mean a whole lot to me too. I even got into Townshend's guru Meher Baba back then, but somewhere along the way I lost faith in Meher Baba, too, and became an atheist, so even that part isn't the same.

When I do pull them out I have a bit of a preference for parts of It's Hard. "I've Never Known War" kills me every time. Best anti-war song ever, I think. As for Who's Next, it's hard to imagine listening to it from beginning to end. "Going Mobile" is my favourite, though.

All The Furniture Is In The Garage (Bimble...), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 04:59 (thirteen years ago) link

If they'd broken up after "It's Hard," bad as that album was, people would still be talking about them.

I think this sums up why they have had such a brutal critical reappraisal over the last ten or so years.

I, also, never need to hear this record EVER AGAIN.

sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 05:26 (thirteen years ago) link

" but they're easily the most inconsistent band i've ever liked."
Yes. Live at Leeds and Meaty, Beaty are about the only albums that I can recommend wholeheartedly.
Though, to be fair, I really blame the Beatles for The Who's flailings. Trying to keep up instead of realizing that not every experiment from the Beatles was a success to be emulated. Part of that might have been because Townshend was always so fucking mercinary about the band (which makes ponderous tripe like The Song Is Over so insultingly shallow), and because he always felt like he was aiming for a slot in Led Zep by ego alone.
Fucking rock opera? Lots of people argue that punk was a reaction against Led Zep, but I can't imagine a better starting point than fuckin' Tommy.
Anyway, in a saner alternate dimension, Tommy was a rock opera by Ted Nugent, probably about a taxidermist that humped his displays or something.

js (honestengine), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 05:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Punk was hugely inspired by Quadrophenia, don't kid yourself. Hilarious exaggeration of aesthetic standards on this thread. Yeah, The Who suck, yeah right.

happy jack, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Greatest hard-rock/prog LP ever. (Tho "Getting In Tune" and "My Wife" are pretty gawdawful. And I admit that I myself haven't played it since the '90s.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:13 (thirteen years ago) link

i like "My Wife" - in fact, when I see this record in a bar jukebox, that's the only one I pick. (what's the beef - misogyny? i actually have never tried to listen to the lyrics) Sell Out is undeniable, rest of the catalog, tread carefully.......

timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:17 (thirteen years ago) link

The Who have three good albums. My Generation (the original one), Live At Leeds, and Meaty Beaty. Who's Next is NOT one of them!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:21 (thirteen years ago) link

To me it's just as simple as, the best songs on it have gotten worn to the ground and so when I flip to it in my record box, I at most pause, think it over, and go "Ehhhh." The only thing on it that excites me is of course "Goin' Mobile," which is tremendous fun and untainted by the level of radio saturation-bombing that's been visited on Baba O and even Bargain at this point... I can't really hold any of this against the record but it means I'm not going to put it on. I should give "Sell Out" another try, I've had it for a year and a half and put it on only once. Got distracted by Bridge Over Troubled Water, which I got at the same yard sale...

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:29 (thirteen years ago) link

How much do ILMers listen to the radio, especially classic rock radio, that they're sick of jams like "Won't Get Fooled Again"? I thought most everyone here iTuned My Bloody Valentine, Annie, Guru Guru, and J Dee.

happy jack, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:41 (thirteen years ago) link

The last minute of BOR heads in a cool new direction and you're like woo prog o'clock and then it just ENDS

imago, Friday, 9 August 2019 15:44 (one week ago) link

'Won't Get Fooled Again' conveniently describes my feelings every time I deign give this album another chance.

pomenitul, Friday, 9 August 2019 15:44 (one week ago) link

"it's like they realized they wrote a perfect song, panicked, then added a violin solo."

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Friday, 9 August 2019 15:45 (one week ago) link

Won't Get Fooled Again still has 3 minutes left, but I can't imagine what it has left to give

imago, Friday, 9 August 2019 15:58 (one week ago) link

Turned out to be 'aimless noodling', as expected. Oh wait what's this? Do I smell false ending? No, I smell 'we've heard of Terry Riley* and all our best stuff is basically him'

*John Cage? Whatever

Oh hey, it was a false ending! Way to goooo

imago, Friday, 9 August 2019 16:01 (one week ago) link

all our best stuff

it's ok to admit that a band is just not for you, then move on. like idk what you're going for here, but the best thing about a band that has Keith Moon in it isn't their brief detours into minimalism.

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:16 (one week ago) link

Rong.

pomenitul, Friday, 9 August 2019 16:17 (one week ago) link

Yeah the other great thing is the playing I guess, but the songwriting is just not for me, sure. I'm sure they ripped it up live

imago, Friday, 9 August 2019 16:19 (one week ago) link

"it's like they realized they wrote a perfect song, panicked, then added a violin solo."

― jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Friday, August 9, 2019 10:45 AM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

joe otm

budo jeru, Friday, 9 August 2019 16:20 (one week ago) link

townshend needed the courage of his convictions: sack daltrey and replace all his singing with violin solos and minimalist sequencer patterns

mark s, Friday, 9 August 2019 16:24 (one week ago) link

imago has successfully identified the fact that The Who, the band that would routinely blow up their enormous amps with bombs and fireworks, were not as committed to minimalism as Terry Riley and John Cage

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:33 (one week ago) link

nor as committed to prog as Yes

imago, Friday, 9 August 2019 16:35 (one week ago) link

in other news, despite using electronic amplification to reproduce & distort sound and creating pieces founded on mantra-like repetition, when all is said and done The Ramones simply do a sorry job of engaging with the works of Alvin Lucier.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:39 (one week ago) link

well, no the who weren't a prog rock band.

xp

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:41 (one week ago) link

It's remarkable how thoroughly the Who's arena rock era, like the Stones own early '70s', completely steamrolled the band's iconic '60s era.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:02 (one week ago) link

the song is over is nothing like yes

... and Yes are shit.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 17:14 (one week ago) link

completely steamrolled the band's iconic '60s era.

Steamrolled it by amplification but not by energy. Keith Moon was actually reined in on Who's Next and asserts himself as a nut again on Quad.

timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:31 (one week ago) link

I meant that when the band finally dies I suspect it will be something like "Won't Get Fooled Again" or "Baba" that serve as their lasting epitaph, rather than "My Generation" or "I Can See For Miles."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:41 (one week ago) link

In the USA maybe, not in the UK.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 17:42 (one week ago) link

I mean you lot didn't even start buying Kinks records till about 1973.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 17:43 (one week ago) link

You might be right, but, for example, I think the Kinks are still as identifiable (in the US) with "You Really Got Me" as anything else (despite having hits to varying degrees throughout their career). But, a la The Who (maybe just here), I think, for example, the most iconic Stones song as this point could be "Start Me Up" rather than something like "Satisfaction."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:56 (one week ago) link

I think the Kinks are still as identifiable (in the US) with "You Really Got Me" as anything else

Tend to think it's Lola or Come Dancing.

timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:57 (one week ago) link

Lola maybe. But I dunno, it's purely anecdotal.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:59 (one week ago) link

Low Budget/Live Arena Rock Kinks is indeed a good example of the phenomenon.

Another Fule Clickin’ In Your POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 August 2019 18:00 (one week ago) link

Or was at the time at any rate

Another Fule Clickin’ In Your POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 August 2019 18:00 (one week ago) link

The Kinks are next on my list. Think I'll get on a bit better with them

imago, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:02 (one week ago) link

Keith Moon was actually reined in on Who's Next

He plays with more abandon on Who's Next than on much of Tommy, and even a significant chunk of Sell Out. He's far more about-to-go-off-the-rails playing along to the sequencers on "Won't Get Fooled Again" and "Baba O'Riley" than he is on "Relax," "1921," "Welcome," "Rael," "Go To The Mirror," "Sensation," "Tattoo," "Mary Anne with the Shaky Hand"...

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 August 2019 18:11 (one week ago) link

his drumming on baba o riley is f'in sweet

brimstead, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:12 (one week ago) link

Haven't listened to either in years, but back when I was 14 and they were my favorite band, I liked this import of the 1971-era singles much better than Who's Next itself.

https://www.discogs.com/The-Who-Join-Together-Rarities/release/957255

bendy, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:14 (one week ago) link

i love random comps like that

brimstead, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:27 (one week ago) link

^^Cosign. That was actually a Volume 2, with V1 covering stray stuff from '65-'70. I have a CD combining both--far and away the best Who obscurities comp EVAH.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 9 August 2019 18:33 (one week ago) link

Can't seem to find it now, but I was remembering some discussion in Richie Unterberger's Won't Get Fooled Again about Keith Moon playing it straighter on Who's Next. Not sure I agree with your characterization completely Tarfumes - I think something like "Go to the Mirror" is classic Moon and pretty wild playing. "Sally Simpson" is like playing a fill through the whole freaking song.

timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:40 (one week ago) link

His drumming on "Tommy" is really good.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 18:41 (one week ago) link

He plays hard and rules as usual on "Baba," but it's not a bunch of wild fills all over the place.

timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:42 (one week ago) link

On Quadrophenia too

xp

timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:43 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QIwN0IQHG0

timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:45 (one week ago) link

counterpoint- 'Who's Next' is very good actually

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 9 August 2019 18:49 (one week ago) link

i sort of feel like the who are overdue for a reevaluation of their post-60s era -- i know a lot of ppl who don't rate this stuff at all and insist the only good who is my generation/sell out, etc. who's next was never a huge favorite of mine even when i was a who obsessive as a teen, but i replayed quadrophenia a few weeks ago and was amazed by how well it held up, some seriously good songwriting on there.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 19:21 (one week ago) link

I find "Quadrophenia" next to unlistenable, I've never been able to make my way through the entire album at least.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 19:27 (one week ago) link

i love random comps like that

― brimstead, Friday, August 9, 2019 2:27 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

^^Cosign. That was actually a Volume 2, with V1 covering stray stuff from '65-'70. I have a CD combining both--far and away the best Who obscurities comp EVAH.

― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, August 9, 2019 2:33 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I had a cassette with both volumes and nearly wore it out. All non-LP singles and b-sides (from a UK perspective; the US Who's Missing and Two's Missing are just as great, though there's some overlap).

"Baby Don't You Do It" on this comp is from a mindblowingly great 1971 San Francisco show. A handful of other songs from the show are frustratingly scattered among other Who releases, and the whole show has inexplicably never been released.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 August 2019 19:35 (one week ago) link

When I was 14, Quadrophenia was my favorite album, period, and when I saw the movie at age 15, it was the best thing I'd ever seen. Every few years I try putting on Q, but can't make it through. Just too fussy. Love the singles though! Still liked the movie a lot last time I watched. For one of the architects of concept albums, they mostly hold up as as singles band.

Some of it is Daltry's arena style, which is just way out of fashion and may not come back. The narratives never made a lot of sense, but I wanted them to, and when I stopped wanting, Tommy/Lifehouse/Quadrophenia stopped working for me, not to mention the constant fretting about being 36 or whatever in the subsequent work. Townshend is great at capturing specific weird emotions in concise songs, but strains when he tries to tie them together into grand statement. Not a minimalist, but he's best as a miniaturist.

bendy, Friday, 9 August 2019 19:44 (one week ago) link

"Baby Don't You Do It" on this comp is from a mindblowingly great 1971 San Francisco show.

Once of my fave Head Heritage reviews: https://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/thebookofseth/the-who-join-together-baby-dont-you-do-it
"Their live rendition doesn’t sound remotely Tamla nor Motown: it sounds like “Live At Leeds” and the songwriting credits should’ve read Holland-Iommi-Holland instead. "

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 9 August 2019 19:52 (one week ago) link

Maybe 'wanting them to' is part of the fun? There is something for me about the appeal of Tommy and Quadrophenia songs, which can be great in their own right, relating to their individual places in the drama. I could criticize the sketchiness of the narratives, but my inclination instead is to appreciate the effort and appreciate the ways in which they succeed.

xp

timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 19:54 (one week ago) link

Quadrophenia opened up for me in hearing the most recent mixes, fwiw. I don't care for the original mix.

timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 19:55 (one week ago) link

Can't seem to find it now, but I was remembering some discussion in Richie Unterberger's Won't Get Fooled Again about Keith Moon playing it straighter on Who's Next. Not sure I agree with your characterization completely Tarfumes - I think something like "Go to the Mirror" is classic Moon and pretty wild playing. "Sally Simpson" is like playing a fill through the whole freaking song.

― timellison, Friday, August 9, 2019 2:40 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I hear what you're saying, but this strikes me as far more unhinged than "Sally Simpson" or even "Go To The Mirror." A lot of it is the aggression, but he does some straight-up batshit things here, like his left foot alternating between the hi-hat and the left bass drum (in order to hit both bass drums in unison...but only sometimes) starting around 2:36:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJH8DmPfVmU

And this doesn't exactly strike me as "reined in":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyOibvBoJKM

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 August 2019 19:56 (one week ago) link

I think the angle for reconsidering 70s/80s Townshend is in the tensions of his longing for highbrow acceptance (the more experimental stuff of the Scoop demos) and his constant thinly veiled, yet always veiled, bisexual longings. Like, even considering a song as intentionally idiotic as Squeeze Box, when he comes in and sings Mama's part on the bridge, there's a sincerity to his delivery, acting out the feminine role. That same quaking vibe comes fully out in "And I Moved".

I stuck a bunch of his 70/80s stuff on a Spotify playlist along with contemporaneous John Cale and Arthur Russell, 'cuz there's a similarity to their singing styles, but found a similarity of intent and longing as well.

bendy, Friday, 9 August 2019 20:01 (one week ago) link

> Maybe 'wanting them to' is part of the fun?

You're totally right. I'm not sure why I wanted to stop wanting, but it hasn't come back.

bendy, Friday, 9 August 2019 20:02 (one week ago) link

I had my (inexplicably belated) first listen to Vintage Violence the other day, and definitely got a Townshend vibe from the vocals.

And I dunno if they were in the studio at the time, but Cale played with Townshend and Moon on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHoqssrKBFg

xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 August 2019 20:03 (one week ago) link

^ boy that's area Who with the Daltryisms excized.

Daltry seems like the nicest guy in a band with some very dark souls, I feel bad for ragging.

bendy, Friday, 9 August 2019 20:17 (one week ago) link

Quadrophenia opened up for me in hearing the most recent mixes, fwiw. I don't care for the original mix.

I don't know if that would work for me because I hate the muddy overstuffed sound of "Quadrophenia". I tried listening to "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" once (God help me) and got the same feeling. Love the 70s but sometimes it sucked.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 20:29 (one week ago) link


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