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― grapple (grapple), Monday, 13 March 2006 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― veronica moser (veronica moser), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link
The synth/organ stuff is especially classic.
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― happy jack, Monday, 13 March 2006 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― js (honestengine), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― grapple (grapple), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 13 March 2006 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mitya (mitya), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link
I love this album but I wouldn't try & sell it to anybody in a million years. I can see how people find it boring.
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― darin (darin), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:26 (eighteen years ago) link
Who's Next is an all-time classic, by the way.
― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:33 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Mark (r-...), March 13th, 2006 7:23 PM.
ditto. I love it. I get sick of some of the songs like anyone else, but now and then one of them hits me like a ton of bricks. I used to hate "Bargain" but it might be my favorite now.
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:35 (eighteen years ago) link
So OTM. It is weird. I guess a lot of it is The Who didn't grow old gracefully next to those other bands (Townshend arrested for child porn, among other things), plus their back catalog was never treated as something with value. Who records have always been seen as something you pick up cheap at a flea market, where the Beatles and Stones make every reissue seem like a big event.
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 00:47 (eighteen years ago) link
I like Who By Numbers more, overall.
― Joe (Joe), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 01:28 (eighteen years ago) link
Entwistle's best song = "Heaven and Hell," no contest.
― Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 02:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Day The World Turned Dayglo Redd (Ken L), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 03:41 (eighteen years ago) link
Plus, cause of Moon's disinterest in/inability to keep straight time, you can't fuck to the Who. Whereas LZ, via the baddest, solidest, most-deliciously behind the beat englishman to ever put wood to pigskin, well…
― veronica moser (veronica moser), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 03:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 03:59 (eighteen years ago) link
When I do pull them out I have a bit of a preference for parts of It's Hard. "I've Never Known War" kills me every time. Best anti-war song ever, I think. As for Who's Next, it's hard to imagine listening to it from beginning to end. "Going Mobile" is my favourite, though.
― All The Furniture Is In The Garage (Bimble...), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 04:59 (eighteen years ago) link
I think this sums up why they have had such a brutal critical reappraisal over the last ten or so years.
I, also, never need to hear this record EVER AGAIN.
― sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 05:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― js (honestengine), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― happy jack, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― happy jack, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 06:41 (eighteen years ago) link
"it's like they realized they wrote a perfect song, panicked, then added a violin solo."
― jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Friday, August 9, 2019 10:45 AM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
joe otm
― budo jeru, Friday, 9 August 2019 16:20 (four years ago) link
townshend needed the courage of his convictions: sack daltrey and replace all his singing with violin solos and minimalist sequencer patterns
― mark s, Friday, 9 August 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link
imago has successfully identified the fact that The Who, the band that would routinely blow up their enormous amps with bombs and fireworks, were not as committed to minimalism as Terry Riley and John Cage
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:33 (four years ago) link
nor as committed to prog as Yes
― imago, Friday, 9 August 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
in other news, despite using electronic amplification to reproduce & distort sound and creating pieces founded on mantra-like repetition, when all is said and done The Ramones simply do a sorry job of engaging with the works of Alvin Lucier.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:39 (four years ago) link
well, no the who weren't a prog rock band.
xp
― jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:41 (four years ago) link
It's remarkable how thoroughly the Who's arena rock era, like the Stones own early '70s', completely steamrolled the band's iconic '60s era.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:02 (four years ago) link
the song is over is nothing like yes
... and Yes are shit.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 17:14 (four years ago) link
completely steamrolled the band's iconic '60s era.
Steamrolled it by amplification but not by energy. Keith Moon was actually reined in on Who's Next and asserts himself as a nut again on Quad.
― timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link
I meant that when the band finally dies I suspect it will be something like "Won't Get Fooled Again" or "Baba" that serve as their lasting epitaph, rather than "My Generation" or "I Can See For Miles."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link
In the USA maybe, not in the UK.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 17:42 (four years ago) link
I mean you lot didn't even start buying Kinks records till about 1973.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 17:43 (four years ago) link
You might be right, but, for example, I think the Kinks are still as identifiable (in the US) with "You Really Got Me" as anything else (despite having hits to varying degrees throughout their career). But, a la The Who (maybe just here), I think, for example, the most iconic Stones song as this point could be "Start Me Up" rather than something like "Satisfaction."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
I think the Kinks are still as identifiable (in the US) with "You Really Got Me" as anything else
Tend to think it's Lola or Come Dancing.
― timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:57 (four years ago) link
Lola maybe. But I dunno, it's purely anecdotal.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 August 2019 17:59 (four years ago) link
Low Budget/Live Arena Rock Kinks is indeed a good example of the phenomenon.
― Another Fule Clickin’ In Your POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 9 August 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
Or was at the time at any rate
The Kinks are next on my list. Think I'll get on a bit better with them
― imago, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:02 (four years ago) link
Keith Moon was actually reined in on Who's Next
He plays with more abandon on Who's Next than on much of Tommy, and even a significant chunk of Sell Out. He's far more about-to-go-off-the-rails playing along to the sequencers on "Won't Get Fooled Again" and "Baba O'Riley" than he is on "Relax," "1921," "Welcome," "Rael," "Go To The Mirror," "Sensation," "Tattoo," "Mary Anne with the Shaky Hand"...
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 August 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
his drumming on baba o riley is f'in sweet
― brimstead, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:12 (four years ago) link
Haven't listened to either in years, but back when I was 14 and they were my favorite band, I liked this import of the 1971-era singles much better than Who's Next itself.
https://www.discogs.com/The-Who-Join-Together-Rarities/release/957255
― bendy, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:14 (four years ago) link
i love random comps like that
― brimstead, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link
^^Cosign. That was actually a Volume 2, with V1 covering stray stuff from '65-'70. I have a CD combining both--far and away the best Who obscurities comp EVAH.
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 9 August 2019 18:33 (four years ago) link
Can't seem to find it now, but I was remembering some discussion in Richie Unterberger's Won't Get Fooled Again about Keith Moon playing it straighter on Who's Next. Not sure I agree with your characterization completely Tarfumes - I think something like "Go to the Mirror" is classic Moon and pretty wild playing. "Sally Simpson" is like playing a fill through the whole freaking song.
― timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
His drumming on "Tommy" is really good.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link
He plays hard and rules as usual on "Baba," but it's not a bunch of wild fills all over the place.
― timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:42 (four years ago) link
On Quadrophenia too
― timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:43 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QIwN0IQHG0
― timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link
counterpoint- 'Who's Next' is very good actually
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 9 August 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
i sort of feel like the who are overdue for a reevaluation of their post-60s era -- i know a lot of ppl who don't rate this stuff at all and insist the only good who is my generation/sell out, etc. who's next was never a huge favorite of mine even when i was a who obsessive as a teen, but i replayed quadrophenia a few weeks ago and was amazed by how well it held up, some seriously good songwriting on there.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 19:21 (four years ago) link
I find "Quadrophenia" next to unlistenable, I've never been able to make my way through the entire album at least.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 19:27 (four years ago) link
― brimstead, Friday, August 9, 2019 2:27 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, August 9, 2019 2:33 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I had a cassette with both volumes and nearly wore it out. All non-LP singles and b-sides (from a UK perspective; the US Who's Missing and Two's Missing are just as great, though there's some overlap).
"Baby Don't You Do It" on this comp is from a mindblowingly great 1971 San Francisco show. A handful of other songs from the show are frustratingly scattered among other Who releases, and the whole show has inexplicably never been released.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 August 2019 19:35 (four years ago) link
When I was 14, Quadrophenia was my favorite album, period, and when I saw the movie at age 15, it was the best thing I'd ever seen. Every few years I try putting on Q, but can't make it through. Just too fussy. Love the singles though! Still liked the movie a lot last time I watched. For one of the architects of concept albums, they mostly hold up as as singles band.
Some of it is Daltry's arena style, which is just way out of fashion and may not come back. The narratives never made a lot of sense, but I wanted them to, and when I stopped wanting, Tommy/Lifehouse/Quadrophenia stopped working for me, not to mention the constant fretting about being 36 or whatever in the subsequent work. Townshend is great at capturing specific weird emotions in concise songs, but strains when he tries to tie them together into grand statement. Not a minimalist, but he's best as a miniaturist.
― bendy, Friday, 9 August 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link
"Baby Don't You Do It" on this comp is from a mindblowingly great 1971 San Francisco show.
Once of my fave Head Heritage reviews: https://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/thebookofseth/the-who-join-together-baby-dont-you-do-it "Their live rendition doesn’t sound remotely Tamla nor Motown: it sounds like “Live At Leeds” and the songwriting credits should’ve read Holland-Iommi-Holland instead. "
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 9 August 2019 19:52 (four years ago) link
Maybe 'wanting them to' is part of the fun? There is something for me about the appeal of Tommy and Quadrophenia songs, which can be great in their own right, relating to their individual places in the drama. I could criticize the sketchiness of the narratives, but my inclination instead is to appreciate the effort and appreciate the ways in which they succeed.
― timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 19:54 (four years ago) link
Quadrophenia opened up for me in hearing the most recent mixes, fwiw. I don't care for the original mix.
― timellison, Friday, 9 August 2019 19:55 (four years ago) link
― timellison, Friday, August 9, 2019 2:40 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
I hear what you're saying, but this strikes me as far more unhinged than "Sally Simpson" or even "Go To The Mirror." A lot of it is the aggression, but he does some straight-up batshit things here, like his left foot alternating between the hi-hat and the left bass drum (in order to hit both bass drums in unison...but only sometimes) starting around 2:36:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJH8DmPfVmU
And this doesn't exactly strike me as "reined in":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyOibvBoJKM
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 August 2019 19:56 (four years ago) link
I think the angle for reconsidering 70s/80s Townshend is in the tensions of his longing for highbrow acceptance (the more experimental stuff of the Scoop demos) and his constant thinly veiled, yet always veiled, bisexual longings. Like, even considering a song as intentionally idiotic as Squeeze Box, when he comes in and sings Mama's part on the bridge, there's a sincerity to his delivery, acting out the feminine role. That same quaking vibe comes fully out in "And I Moved".
I stuck a bunch of his 70/80s stuff on a Spotify playlist along with contemporaneous John Cale and Arthur Russell, 'cuz there's a similarity to their singing styles, but found a similarity of intent and longing as well.
― bendy, Friday, 9 August 2019 20:01 (four years ago) link
> Maybe 'wanting them to' is part of the fun?
You're totally right. I'm not sure why I wanted to stop wanting, but it hasn't come back.
― bendy, Friday, 9 August 2019 20:02 (four years ago) link
I had my (inexplicably belated) first listen to Vintage Violence the other day, and definitely got a Townshend vibe from the vocals.
And I dunno if they were in the studio at the time, but Cale played with Townshend and Moon on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHoqssrKBFg
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 August 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link
^ boy that's area Who with the Daltryisms excized.
Daltry seems like the nicest guy in a band with some very dark souls, I feel bad for ragging.
― bendy, Friday, 9 August 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
I don't know if that would work for me because I hate the muddy overstuffed sound of "Quadrophenia". I tried listening to "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" once (God help me) and got the same feeling. Love the 70s but sometimes it sucked.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Friday, 9 August 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link
the classicest
getting in tune to the straight and narrow
just banging on my old piano
and nothing in the street
seems so different to me
and if i smile
tell me some bad news
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 02:21 (three years ago) link
Is that Unterberger book good?
― An Andalusian Do-rag (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 05:15 (three years ago) link
Too late.
The Unterberger book is well-written, and unties the knots of this period of The Who's history about as well as you could hope, but the basic problem is that Townshend never really decided what Lifehouse was. So if you're looking to have that explained lucidly, you may be let down. The making of Quadrophenia is very detailed, and less confused, as well.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 05:22 (three years ago) link
Unterberger says that three songs were newly recorded in ‘78/‘79 with Kenney Jones for the Quadrophenia soundtrack album: “Joker James,” “Get Out And Stay Out,” and “Four Faces.” That last one, though, was recorded (for the most part) in 1973 and has Keith on drums. I emailed Unterberger about this, and he said that documentation (wasn’t more specific than that) says it’s Jones on “Four Faces.” But it’s pretty obvious just by listening that it’s Moon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGF2N00K-Ws
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 13:46 (three years ago) link
https://images2.imgbox.com/10/cb/Axn9cRNZ_o.jpg
― conrad, Friday, 12 January 2024 00:23 (two months ago) link
gives a new meaning to the album title tbh
― kissinger on my list (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 January 2024 00:57 (two months ago) link
or it's almost like the name of the album is asking "who (of the members of the band that recorded me)'s next (to die? after all, two of the original four have already passed away)" - and then roger daltrey (the singer) says "it's probably me, I'm probably next." ba dum tish!
― conrad, Friday, 12 January 2024 05:34 (two months ago) link