"My Chemical Romance is this generation's Nirvana"

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She's being willfully controversial, but reading Ultragrrl's recent post on My Chemical Romance and the out-of-touchness of the music press, I can't help but wonder - is there a chance that she's right? That would be embarrassing. I am a 24-year-old writer who I don't think has ever heard a single note of My Chemical Romance. Is this really music that's changing the outlook of a generation?

Much more likely she's totally wrong and a buffoon. But the "if" is bothering me a little. I certainly don't troll MySpace like the kids do, and the favourite bands of my little cousin are Green Day and A Simple Plan. (Of course Green Day was the favourite band of lots of my peers, back in junior high.) So Chemical Romance's impact is not out of the question...

Most music journalists have no clue whatsoever what kids like. They're 35 year old men writing for other 35 year old men who think they're actually writing to 21 year old college kids.

The idea that My Chemical Romance is this generation's Nirvana is ridiculous to them. It's probably ridiculous to most of the people who read this blog, but to the average 16 year old kid, Nirvana is irrelevant in comparison to My Chem.

Don't believe me? Go to myspace. The 3rd most search topic is My Chemical Romance. Myspace is the place where teenagers are hanging out and spending all their time, trying to meet other people like themselves. It's where many people live their life.

I find it incredibly hard to imagine that the average 35 year old rock journo can relate to MCR. But you know, it's not for them to understand or relate to. It's for them to accept, and until they do, they will be absolutely irrelevant to anyone who matters.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:25 (sixteen years ago) link

see also:

"I really, really dislike Ultragrrl [edited title - mod]"

sean gramophone (Sean M), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I wish I were 8 years younger. MCR would be a fine soundtrack to difficult high school years, I'd have enjoyed it much more than Nirvana in that context. Also, "I'm Not OK" and "Helena" are, to me, better songs than anything Nirvana have done, but that's a minority opinion.

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:30 (sixteen years ago) link

ha ! this is the funniest article I have read this year / decade !

is this the most moronic statement EVER:

"I find it incredibly hard to imagine that the average 35 year old rock journo can relate to MCR. But you know, it's not for them to understand or relate to. It's for them to accept, and until they do, they will be absolutely irrelevant to anyone who matters."

LMAO

MCR = streaming pile of cliched crap

by the way I am 35 !

When I was teenager I was listening to Big Black, The Pixies, Husker Du and Masters of Puppets

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Yes, we're really impressed, Martian. I suppose we should now get rid of this music that this group of people really like and force them to listen to stuff that they won't. Musical crusades, let's wipe out moshercore and mall-core and spread the gospel.

MCR are GRATE.

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 10:58 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't give a toss about myspace mallcore / emo sheep consensus.

I have spotted some smart youngsters on rateyourmusic.com but they are few and far between.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:03 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, i'm w/edward on this one. need to go & see if they've got any cheap MCR cdsingles at thee warehouse, ha.

etc, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:03 (sixteen years ago) link

(btw martian, are you a fan of crude/the aesthetics/&c?)

etc, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:04 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah they probably are. but big fucking deal, nirvana are bullshit.

When I was teenager I was listening to Big Black, The Pixies, Husker Du and Masters of Puppets

don't see why this is superior to listening to MCR, really.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:05 (sixteen years ago) link

never heard of em

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Most music journalists have no clue whatsoever what kids like. They're 35 year old men writing for other 35 year old men who think they're actually writing to 21 year old college kids.

This strikes home because I am a 37 year old person who works in an indie record store on a college campus and writes for two outlets that cater primarily to college-aged human beings so I do feel that I have a clue about what kids that age dig. Mainly because I ask them and observe. This isn't rocket science; I can't believe I am the only one.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:06 (sixteen years ago) link

my angst > your angst

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:07 (sixteen years ago) link

(martian - yr sort've thing - here's an article - y'know, post-dead c nz noize)

etc, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:12 (sixteen years ago) link

the only person i know who likes MCR is a 35-year-old mother of two teenage girls. i don't even think her daughters like them that much.

just because "the kids" on "the internet" quite like them, they don't necessarily have any artistic validity. mind you, i always thought nirvana were vastly and enormously over-rated too.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:19 (sixteen years ago) link

hmmmn. the whole cultural shift towards mall-emo or whatever seems interesting & & & um I haven't really stumbled across much writing addressing it. so many teenagers around here wearing eg:

etc, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:29 (sixteen years ago) link

um

etc, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:29 (sixteen years ago) link

let's come back when the music industry have spent the last 10 years chasing the MCR sound after the singer shoots himself in the head and has been deified by youth culture and the media, and we'll see if they're this generation's nirvana.

xp grimy OTM

xxp etc also OTM actually because this is obviously a popular movement, but y'know my parents knew who nirvana were! I doubt MCR have that sort of recognition.

electrogrouse (haitch), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:34 (sixteen years ago) link

grimly OTM re: just because "the kids" on "the internet" quite like them, they don't necessarily have any artistic validity is what I meant to put, though I'd say it's more like "just because myspace kids like them doesn't mean they're huge", myspace is just as much as subset of youth culture as anything else, so I don't think you can use what mysapce kids like as the arbiter of what ALL kids like.

electrogrouse (haitch), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:36 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't give a toss about myspace mallcore / emo sheep consensus.

Well, why are you offering your own musical youth as a beacon unto the sheep?

They're big on myspace, but they've shifted a lot of units too, so they're popular. I'm a poptimist, and I believe that they are popular with reason.

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:47 (sixteen years ago) link

haha walking around melbourne & SO MANY EMO SHOPS - toxic, alternative glow, victorian gothic, um . . .

the whole illicit (t-shirt i tried to post upthread), emily strange . . . everyone has a black hoodie these days, don't they? remember that video for that p-m0ney & scr1be goth-hop track where they had the drummer from 8 ft s4tiva (popular metal band) & the guitarist from elem3nop (chart-topping punkpop band) playing!

etc, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:50 (sixteen years ago) link

hmmmn. the whole cultural shift towards mall-emo or whatever seems interesting & & & um I haven't really stumbled across much writing addressing it.

OTM.

FWIW the little of it I've heard repulses me not cos its boring or played out or whatever but because it is so authentically, unfilteredly, painfully, selfishly adolescent.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Tom, are you sure you don't like "I'm Not OK (I Promise)"? It's totally your thing. I mean, you like "Teenage Dirtbag"!

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I'M NOT TRYING TO CAUSE A BIG SEN-SEN-SEN-SSSSSSSSATION...

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I dunno Edward, I think I've only heard "Helena" maybe.

"Teenage Dirtbag" is funny! I guess some of this stuff is funny too. But musically it's structured more round a punchline so the funny-ness is to the fore.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:54 (sixteen years ago) link

There's nothing wrong with having no concept of what the youth of today are listening to (I think this is why Word magazine works, to be honest), but when you start playing that "I know what ver kidz are listening to" card, and in your mind Britain's youth all spend six hours a day listening to Bruza, then it becomes an issue.

I would like to see more writing about MCR and FOB and PATD and whoeverthefuck, and less writing about whateverthefuck.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Tom, "I'm Not OK" is fast and hilarious, with a comedy piano bit and some ace screaming. You will adore it. Seriously, it's one of the funniest rock records ever made.

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:56 (sixteen years ago) link

OK I will d/l.

I looked at the original post and comments - the Nirvana thing is a red herring and actually weakens what she's saying at the same time as the reactions to the N-reference kind of demonstrate it.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 11:58 (sixteen years ago) link

How *important* were Nirvana seen at the time though? Because you look back over old music magazines from 1991, and there's more space given to Jesus Jones than there is to Nirvana.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Nirvana was seen as pretty important at the time, says this person who was 22 in 1991.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't think I've ever consciously listened to anything by My Chemical Romance.

From a British perspective, Nirvana were only seen as important (onj a wider scale as opposed to a 10-out-of-10 from ET in Melody Maker scale) after they'd been on The Word.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:05 (sixteen years ago) link

I've only seen the "Helena" video out of the corner of my eye - was it some sort've FatBob does Busby Berkeley affair?

. . . maybe I shld go & have a listen before saying anything else.

etc, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:09 (sixteen years ago) link

dom when will you learn that bruza's fans are realer than mcr's: that counts for more than numbers.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:09 (sixteen years ago) link

You spelt "Man like Dom" wrong.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Nirvana were seen as important when they played Reading in 1991 and everyone went 'what the fuck was that?'. The mass media never did catch up, except for Francis Wheen.

MCR are huge, just like many of their fans. Who doesn't know this?

snotty moore, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:10 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't think there's any one big band (or set of) who occupy the lanscape quite like Nirvana and the acts broken in their wake did with Grunge.

The whole emo thing seems like millions of micro acts, and a few commercial pastiches picking up the signifiers on top (MCR).

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:13 (sixteen years ago) link

I was at Reading '91 and can testify that the act considered far and away the most "important" there by the audience was Carter USM, who were second top of the bill on the Saturday and James might as well not have bothered turning up.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:14 (sixteen years ago) link

(x-post)

But that's the thing. Were Tad really any more dominating to the landscape than Something Corporate are now?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:16 (sixteen years ago) link

The mass media jumped onto Nirvana a lot quicker, and with more complicit approval than they did with (for example) Rave & House exploding. Where they covered it hugely, but as a *scandalous* thing.

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:16 (sixteen years ago) link

The landscape re: the media and on the ground (what actually happened) really shouldn't be thought of as representative of each other (Dom and Marcello's point I think).

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:18 (sixteen years ago) link

Also, at the time Tad were the media tip for the big act to come out of Sub Pop.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I sense a double meaning there.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:28 (sixteen years ago) link

I was at Reading '91 and can testify that the act considered far and away the most "important" there by the audience was Carter USM, who were second top of the bill on the Saturday and James might as well not have bothered turning up.

OTM, but that was pre-Nevermind. Compare: Reading '92.

s1.c@rter, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Most importantly, why should music journos necessarily care what 16-year-olds think? And do they really think they're writing for them? My guess is that most are just writing about music that they like and see value in.

Another question is what does "this generation's Nirvana" mean? As someone who felt pretty in touch with the zeitgeist in 1991, left the US a few months before Nirvana broke, and returned a couple of years later and felt completely lost, I find the claim pretty hard to swallow. Beyond whatever quality judgment you may make about Nirvana, they were the poster boys for a huge change in radio and popular tastes.

Following that (Sean is actually younger than ultragrrl, if I read everything correctly) the fact that he (and I for that matter) has never heard a note of MCR suggests that their "historical" role isn't really comparable to Nirvana.

I think it's just using the sacred Nirvana cow -- I guess she doesn't like them -- that makes this controversial. If we picked a slightly different generation for comparison I think we "MCR is this generation's Bon Jovi" and it would be equally true and feel a lot less argumentative.

mitya is really tired of making up names, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Most importantly, why should music journos necessarily care what 16-year-olds think? And do they really think they're writing for them? My guess is that most are just writing about music that they like and see value in.

well, they're paid by either money earned from advertisers who want 16-year-old kids to buy their warez OR by 16-year-old kids buying their magazines. they probably have some commercial considerations in mind beyond "about music that they like and see value in".

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Actually the funniest part is the 'MySpace searches sez they're popular' claim. That thing she refers to had (or maybe had) been unchanged for months in *all* categories, which likely bears as much comparison to reality as our own statscock. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:21 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, MCR rank only 74th at last.fm

xpost
Well, yes, obviously, but the market is larger than just 16-year-olds. Also, presumably, those commercial considerations would actually drive more media coverage (which is not necessarly the same thing as music journalism) of MCR if they were really as popular as Britney et al.

(And maybe I'm just proving that I'm 35 here, but the "commercial considerations" that drive Pitchfork and Stylus, Sean Gramophone and Matthew Fluxblog, Chuck and Xgau, Robert Hilburn and Ann Powers, etc. are very different.)

mitya is really tired of making up names, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:24 (sixteen years ago) link

i suppose the more subjective answer is that many music hacks still see pop and rock music as essentially 'youth' forms, not without reason, really, and that youth phenomena are important, a sign of the times. probably this is because more music obsessives are teenagers than 35-year-olds.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:27 (sixteen years ago) link

"MCR is this generation's Bon Jovi"

Bon Jovi were the Nirvana of hair metal.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:31 (sixteen years ago) link

I read the linked article, I didn't like it much b/c I don't like the "voice" she writes in, but as far as it went, I didn't think she was totally wrong.

What did occur to me was that, uh, there is this assumption that MCR "mean" s.th. to "this" generation, but when Nirvana were active & Cobain alive, I don't recall them "meaning" anything like that to the equivalent generation back then, though obviously layers of "meaning" have been applied to Nirvana & Cobain in the intervening years. Perhaps.

I've heard MCR on the radio a bit, but I didn't think they were particularly, well, particularly anything, really. Then again, I'm 40 and I like Hawkwind.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:32 (sixteen years ago) link

nirvana meant a lot to the sensitive people with curtains in the years above me.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 13:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Gerard provides guest vocala for the new song from Ibaraki - a black metal project of Trivium's Matt Heafy and Ihsahn from Emperor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7rn2BhWHAg

peace, man, Saturday, 26 March 2022 14:34 (one month ago) link

This thread is now older than Nevermind was when this thread was started.

jaymc, Saturday, 26 March 2022 20:06 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Annie Zaleski making a convincing case: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/may/10/my-chemical-romance-how-the-vilified-band-turned-antipathy-into-triumph?CMP=share_btn_tw

All of this may be a passing fad – but the alternative rock realm MCR left behind has expanded in their image: it’s a place where greater honesty, empathy and a willingness to understand mental health difficulties are flourishing, and in which boundaries of gender and genre are dissolving. The late rappers Lil Peep and Juice Wrld continue to have large followings thanks to their deeply vulnerable, personal lyrics. After two years plus of the pandemic, a crop of songwriters known for talking frankly about mental health – such as Phoebe Bridgers, Julien Baker, Lucy Dacus, Soccer Mommy and Japanese Breakfast – have elevated profiles.

Today, MCR’s legacy is arguably comparable to that of Nirvana, another group of scrappy underdogs who proudly identified with the outcasts. Both bands drew on underground punk influences for inspiration and spoke to the marginalised; both became cultural forces by accident. Like Kurt Cobain, Way is an outspoken feminist (and fan of riot grrrl). These parallels weren’t lost on him. “I found myself in a position where I was obviously not nearly at the level that Kurt was, but I was speaking to a young generation of people,” he told GQ last year. “It doesn’t mean you have to play the fame game or the red carpet game or anything like that … Nirvana inspired us to reject those things.”

Roz, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 04:12 (one week ago) link

They'll be starting their tour in less than a week! Hope all goes well for them.

peace, man, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 11:45 (one week ago) link

well-timed revive bc....

NEW SONG

https://mcr.lnk.to/thefoundationsofdecay

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 May 2022 22:16 (one week ago) link

IT'S FUCKING AMAZING

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 May 2022 22:20 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2kWUJkRvVs

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 12 May 2022 22:21 (one week ago) link

HOLY SHIT THANK YOU BRAD!

peace, man, Thursday, 12 May 2022 22:42 (one week ago) link

Wow, wasn't expecting this. Cool song, goes back to the Three Cheers-era sound a bit. I loved pretty much everything I've heard from this band from Three Cheers on and I hope hope hope there is a new album coming

Vinnie, Thursday, 12 May 2022 23:22 (one week ago) link

Surprisingly good

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 13 May 2022 03:50 (one week ago) link

oh wow this is pretty fantastic! gerard’s vocals are weirdly buried in the mix though (not that I’m complaining, I kinda prefer it like this?)

it’s like a polished version of their Bullets era, right up to the 9/11 references

Roz, Friday, 13 May 2022 07:18 (one week ago) link

Very, very good indeed.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 May 2022 08:18 (one week ago) link

gerard’s vocals are weirdly buried in the mix though (not that I’m complaining, I kinda prefer it like this?)

Vocals were pretty low in Hesitant Alien, although that was a while ago now. Then he did that black metal thing a couple months ago.

peace, man, Friday, 13 May 2022 11:32 (one week ago) link

i don't know why i resisted i brought you my bullets for so long. i've definitely listened to it more than a few times, but it's only now dawning on me what an emo classic it is

i think from three cheers-on they become more distinguished, more of their own thing that i can't get other versions of, but also: they started off with an awesome regular-ass emo album

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 13 May 2022 16:28 (one week ago) link

more of their own thing

That's the thing about Bullets for me - it's really good, but it reminds me so much of bands that I was already a fan of, like Thrice and Thursday and Saves the Day.

peace, man, Friday, 13 May 2022 16:35 (one week ago) link

New song doesn't do anything for me.

I never quite got the appeal of this band and it's crazy to me that they've become so huge, esp in 2022. I was much more of an AFI guy haha

DT, Friday, 13 May 2022 21:49 (one week ago) link

I HATED Welcome To The Black Parade back in the day. Detested.

But then I met Gerard and he's a darling. He was interviewing Grant Morrison, who I was fortunate to have accompanied reading a prose poem on stage @ the Opera House (I improvised cello + laptop) and various MCR fans contacted me afterwards saying they loved it. Aww. [Sincere apologies for this humblebrag]
I also really liked Gerard's reboot of Doom Patrol, I must admit.

So I went into this with an open mind and yeah, it's a great song. Nice one.

raven, Saturday, 14 May 2022 10:11 (one week ago) link

That’s really cool, raven! WTTBP also kept me from checking them out for years though I always thought “Helena” and “I’m Not OK” were jams. Finally won me over just before the reunion.

anyway, even cranky mfs like Billy Corgan have nothing bad to say about Gerard - SP posted this on their tiktok yesterday lol

Roz, Saturday, 14 May 2022 12:02 (one week ago) link

goin through the discog

this is the greatest band of all time

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 16 May 2022 20:36 (six days ago) link

i reach that conclusion once i hit "the sharpest lives" on the black parade every time

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 16 May 2022 20:44 (six days ago) link

looks like they performed Boy Division at their first gig on tour <3

Roz, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 00:40 (five days ago) link

I like that article, and I also like that it reiterates the claim that launched this thread 16 years ago.

(The Annie Zeleski article, I mean.)

love this new track - goddamn they still know how to do a big fuckoff chorus <3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 May 2022 02:52 (five days ago) link

I remember the buzz around their first album (I Brought You My Bullets) and just thinking kinda..."meh". The buildup for Three Cheers was kind of interesting as the major label signing was out of left field for me. Definitely some jams on that one. The Black Parade kinda took me by surprise (in a good way) with its almost classic rock theatrics. I was really interested in the proto-punk album they were supposed to put out, which I think came out later as Conventional Weapons. The Danger Days album did very little for me and they kinda just fizzled after that. Anyway that's been my journey with MCR and it's been wild to see how much nostalgia there is for them. Maybe I'll see them at When We Were Young or the Forum, but I ain't paying top dollar. lol

DT, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 02:53 (five days ago) link

i started listening to some of frank iero's stuff recently and my impression was that the guy can't sing or write lyrics worth a damn, but he's a massive part of why MCR is so good - stylistically all over the place but really great at song structures, choruses, playing around with riffs and rhythms.

gerard gets a lot of credit obviously, but i think it's the combo of him and frank that really makes the band work

Roz, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 04:50 (five days ago) link

Brought You My Bullets didn't really hook me but I honestly feel the band hasn't placed a wrong foot since. like not just the albums, but the Conventional Weapons releases, Mad Gear and Missile Kid, Black Parade b-sides... I love it all. Hesitant Alien just as good, but some of Gerard's recent singles aren't quite at the same level

Vinnie, Tuesday, 17 May 2022 07:58 (five days ago) link

absolutely hilarious and great and very much in character: https://www.them.us/story/my-chemical-romance-merch-tramp-stamp-shirt

Roz, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 12:50 (four days ago) link

Awesome. That's very sweet.

Here's a fan video of the live debut of Foundations of Decay (the channel also has videos of many more songs from the concert). Some unfortunate audience singing basically drowning out Gerard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkl8_vs6tl4

The thing about this song is that on my first listen, I was like, ok, this is good. Maybe not the best MCR song I've ever heard, but it's definitely a return to form. Only listened to it a handful of times on the day it came out because I haven't been on an MCR tangent lately. But then a few days later, the chorus popped back into my head out of nowhere, which I took as a good sign.

peace, man, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 13:11 (four days ago) link

listening to conventional weapons today, still think they were right to shelve it, but there are so many incredible hooks on it ("boy division," "ambulance, "gun.") that i'm glad they put it out anyway. imo the bare bones garage rock approach gets ropier the further they get into ballad territory

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 16:27 (four days ago) link

even then i'm just getting picky, like i don't think "the world is ugly" has the impact it intends but i don't really hate any of this band's songs

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 16:34 (four days ago) link

ugh i cannot deny it, danger days is still my favorite

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 17:06 (four days ago) link

from "save yourself" on it is just a steady program of the best songs ever

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 17:14 (four days ago) link

“Ambulance” is soo good, it’s their Jimmy Eat World moment.

have you heard the earlier version of “the world is ugly” Brad? there are one or two performances on YouTube from 2008 or so. it doesn’t have the verses from CW, basically launches straight into the chorus and a different bridge and is all the better for it.

anyway it seems like they’re switching up the setlists on this tour and playing a ton of CW and other deep cuts - “Surrender the Night”, “Make Room!!!” and “Boy Division” on day 1, “Mastas of Ravenkroft” on day 2

Roz, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 17:20 (four days ago) link

i have mixed feelings about the tour version of "the world is ugly" as it is clearly an unfinished song but is also gorgeous and feels like it points toward a post-rockier path the band ultimately didn't take

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 17:23 (four days ago) link

'cause you only live forever in the lights you make
when we were young we used to say
that you only hear the music when your heart begins to break
now we are the kids from yesterday

;_;

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 17:31 (four days ago) link

<3

Roz, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 17:39 (four days ago) link

i've never listened to the danger days b-sides before!!! uhhhh these songs are all great!!!!!

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 17:44 (four days ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zU_QjjjyCs

yo!!!! i love it when this band pretends to be the pixies

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 17:47 (four days ago) link

I haven’t heard the DD b-sides or other rarities either, will get there at some point.

Mostly just still in awe at how good “The Foundations of Decay” is esp as (as noted upthread) aside from Hesitant Alien, their respective solo output hasn’t been impressive. some kind of magical band chemistry.

Roz, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 18:03 (four days ago) link

oh roz you gotta hear "kill all your friends" if you haven't

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 18:06 (four days ago) link

oh that one I have!!

It's amusing how blatant they were with their hero worship too - Gerard's vocal runs at the end of "The Sharpest Lives" are a pitch perfect impression of Matt Bellamy/Muse, who I suspect he was listening to a lot while they were recording this. But not terrible! One of their best choruses. And then there's like "Kill All Your Friends" which is so clearly "Where is My Mind?" run through a Britpop filter lol.

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Roz, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 18:10 (four days ago) link

yo!!!! i love it when this band pretends to be the pixies

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, May 18, 2022 10:47 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 18:10 (four days ago) link

I will listen to that tmr! am actually about to go bed - it’s late here in Asia

for an NJ band, they do have a lot of songs about California though lol

Roz, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 18:18 (four days ago) link

I always appreciated how in the Quietus interview for Danger Days they mentioned being huge Suede nerds, which I approve of greatly.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 18:34 (four days ago) link

it just makes sense

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 18:40 (four days ago) link

Lol did not realize they are an East coast band. I also assumed they were from California, since like RHCP, they sing about it so much

imo the bare bones garage rock approach gets ropier the further they get into ballad territory

I'm not sure if you were also referring to "The Light Behind Your Eyes", but it's probably my favorite track from Conventional Weapons, even if it's a bit of a misfit with the other material. I also like "The World is Ugly" but they've done some better songs in that style on other albums

Vinnie, Thursday, 19 May 2022 01:39 (three days ago) link

yo!!!! i love it when this band pretends to be the pixies

― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, May 18, 2022 10:47 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok i have heard this now - omg even gerard's singing style on this lmao! it IS great though

Ned, MCR are massive Anglophiles - they've covered Blur and Pulp in the past, some of their songs reference Smiths lyrics, so being into Suede is completely unsurprising

Roz, Thursday, 19 May 2022 02:31 (three days ago) link

I mean Gerard's early hair was "I think I'm Robert Smith" so I should damn well hope they're Anglophiles!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 May 2022 03:14 (three days ago) link

one nice thing about getting into this band so late is discovering how quietly revolutionary they've always been

so easy for ppl to dismiss them as a band for preteen girls back in the day, but i can't imagine how incredible it must have been for a preteen girl who was into pop-punk/emo to have seen gerard way say this in 2005:

"If you ever see shitty ass rock dudes in shitty ass rock bands asking you to show them your tits for backstage passes, I want you to spit right in their fucking faces and yell FUCK YOU!"pic.twitter.com/wV1ddK2XGX

— grace (@vintageemisery) January 7, 2020

lots more examples like that in the twitter thread

Roz, Thursday, 19 May 2022 11:37 (three days ago) link


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