Funk Carioca ... classic or DUD

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my take: the joke's worn off. Diplo's exhausted it ... for me anyway. although local indie DJs are finally catching on ... can we do something else?

electro beats meets sampling ... insert verse, and hit play. it was fun, now it's just ... eh.

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Answering this seriously for some reason
wtf@ "joke's worn off," its 'real music' to a massive number of people. except yeah obviously with no cultural context it always had rather limited exotica appeal to most of the people who encounter it.

deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeej., Friday, 3 March 2006 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Most of the people in this country, rather.

deej....., Friday, 3 March 2006 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

funk carioca is still ace! it's just as good without the obvious samples, although any funk carioca compilation without the 'papa don't preach' strings or 'sweet dreams' riff feels woefully incomplete.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

i agree. it's real music for a great number of people, and i'm not trying to get into a discussion about authenticity ... just saying ... hasn't this type of music been sold as a "Kid Sister" to the "My Buddy" of hip hop or dirty south? Unless you go to a Bhangra night or something ... guaranteed to hear "Stay Fly" or something before or after this.

Plus ...

Sick of hearing "Popzuda Rock ‘N Roll" ... and that's the thing. We're only really hearing tracks off of Diplo mixes thrown around to and fro ... it gets old to me.

Also, like I said, in the States it's always been sold as some sort of novelty or "insider" info for white hip hop kids. Snore.

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link

this is a pretty good compilation without the diplo factor.

i don't know whether i'm glad that it's not been sold like that in the uk, or sad that it just hasn't really been sold very much at all.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link

baile funk - search and destroy

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm just tired of DJs bringing the world-urban-culture-musics style in general and when possible I avoid all hollertronix biters.

deej....., Friday, 3 March 2006 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link

well, no offense to diplo, but he's not funk carioca. (thanks, btw, for getting it right in the thread title - it's not "baile funk." pet peeve of mine.) shit's not hard to find on the P2Ps; just start with a couple of artists that have been comped a bunch (deize tigrona, bonde do tigrão, dj alexandre, os carrascos, vanessinha picatchu, bonde neurose, mr. catra, dennis DJ.... etc), do some googling... the usual way you learn about a genre that's new to you. plenty of worthwhile shit out there.

hate the outsider buzz all you want, but know how to separate that from the music itself. being mad at funk carioca because of its current hype would be a little like writing off os mutantes just because beck made'em trendy for about 10 minutes.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 3 March 2006 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Diplo's production style definately isn't funk carioca, but ... he does use a lot of it on his mixes. Yeah, I know ... that there are better tracks out there ... but isn't part of the whole deal that it's like a Brazilian take on Miami bass and electro plus samba culture in general? a reappropriation of those genres within a different context? so ... in a way it's built on cliche. that's not a normative statement, just an observation.

i'm not throwing the baby out with the bath water, but ... yeah, there is some good shit. i'm just tired of hearing certain tracks. and like i said ... it seems like "Popzuda Rock N Roll" is fast becoming the "Evenflow"/"Smells Like Teen Spirit" of this genre.

the best tracks in this genre i've heard ... i've usually heard once or twice at a friend's house.

here's to being overly idealistic ... *cheers*

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link

well, maybe it's "part of the whole deal" to northern listeners that it's a brazilian take on miami bass and electro, but i doubt many brazilian fans could give a fuck; they just like to dance to it.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link

and again, hating the genre because you're tired of hearing that edu K track is a bit like hating all techno because you're over "rocker."

(actually, that's not precise either. edu K is making funk-oriented tracks, but dude also comes from outside the scene, though he did team up w/ deize tigrona for the track. i'm not saying that makes him less "real," but at the same time i'm not surprised that an outsider will have more success in the north; he knows how to market to other outsiders. i'm sure we'll be hearing a lot more about bonde do role - non-black (from the photos i've seen), non-rio kids who, according to jace clayton [who remixed one of their tunes] grew up on a ton of tigerbeatish experimental shit - for the simple fact that their outlook is a lot closer to a northern hipster zeitgeist.)

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link

If there's anything more obnoxious than the indie exoticism of music like funk carioca, it's the ILM sneering at the indie exoticism while claiming some sort of superior "genuine appreciation" of the music.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 3 March 2006 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link

is that what i'm doing?

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 3 March 2006 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Sorry, wasn't directed at you.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 3 March 2006 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Even out of the people on ILM, probably 95% owe their introduction to funk carioca to Diplo and his ilk, if not directly than at least indirectly for creating the buzz around it.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 3 March 2006 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link

np!

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 3 March 2006 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link

well, no offense to diplo, but he's not funk carioca. (thanks, btw, for getting it right in the thread title - it's not "baile funk." pet peeve of mine.)

Actually, I would say that Diplo is in fact a major part of the movement at this point. He has many fans in Rio (my friend saw a young favela boy show Diplo his "Wesley" and "Pentz" tattoos on his arms, respectively) and collaborates and DJs extensively there. I know he's not really "authentic" and is seen by some here as an exoticist dabbler, but I think Brazil has a more inclusionary and less motive suspicious scene than what we experience here in the US.

Also, having been to Rio, I have certainly heard Cariocas refer to the music as "Baile Funk" many times.

i'm from hollywood, Saturday, 4 March 2006 00:55 (thirteen years ago) link

If there's anything more obnoxious than the indie exoticism of music like funk carioca, it's the ILM sneering at the indie exoticism while claiming some sort of superior "genuine appreciation" of the music.

who is doing this?

deej....., Saturday, 4 March 2006 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link

that's interesting, i didn't know that about diplo. it's cool, i won't hate on that.
though i still take issue w/ the "funk"/"baile funk" thing, based on explicit comments on the subject by a colleague of marlboro's. but i could be misunderstanding something too, i never (well, seldom) write off that possibility. but as i've been led to believe, "baile funk" refers specifically to the events. i suppose it's possible that the term is mutating into a description of the music (like "rave" before it), but i doubt it, only because "funk" modifies "baile," not the other way around. (though of course if it became "música baile funk," then the grammar would work.)

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 4 March 2006 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Actually, you know what, you're right about the distinction. I was corrected on that point by none other than Mr. Catra himself who said that in english the correct term for the music is "Funk, Carioca Style." I had forgotten that, although any Carioca will know what you're talking about if say, you're at the market and ask for some "baile funk" CDs.

i'm from hollywood, Saturday, 4 March 2006 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I know Diplo's whole thing is about "spreading the love of music" and that people who question what he does or how he does it are just "haters," but I think he and his followers should probably question whether it's a good thing that although thousands(?) of people now know about a genre they might not otherwise if not for him, they can't have a discussion about it without bringing up him or his involvement. Remember when people who wanted to give exposure to obscure or overlooked music started labels (not just boutique 12" labels) to distribute the music and make sure the musicians got royalties for it, instead of just spinning it at rock critic parties (whereafter the critics write articles about the DJ, not the music he was playing) and sending mp3s to Lemon Red?

Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Saturday, 4 March 2006 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm just tired of DJs bringing the world-urban-culture-musics style in general and when possible I avoid all hollertronix biters.

-- deej..... (...), March 3rd, 2006.

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Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link

I enjoy baile funk. Don't really care about Diplo too much and I don't go out to see indie hipsters DJ (why the hell would I?) so I've had far from an overdose of the genre. The shameless use of samples from the most un-hip sources ("Who let the dogs out?!") along with the co-opting of more credible music (apparently Marlboro put the hook to "Rock the Casbah" into a song without knowing what the source of the sample was) shows the indiscriminate and, I think, brilliantly utilitarian approach to musical creation that has as its one aim dancefloor fodder.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:34 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm by no means hating on the genre. to say that i am is to misconstrue what i said. i'm tired of the four or five tracks that everyone has and plays as their "funk carioca" set. most of it is from Diplo. i'm not disputing the importance of this music for a great number of people.

the techno:rock::hiphop:funkcarioca comment stung a bit, but it would have stung more if i was actually saying that i think funk carioca is shit. didn't say that, but i appreciate the contrast, and that's exactly why i wouldn't say "fuck funk carioca ... that shit's lame." never said that.

i am tired of certain tracks. very tired. and from what i've heard ... it seems to be a really specific format, and the tracks i am tired of most closely follow that format. electro beat, sample, verse vocals ... go!

you know i respect your opinion, and the opinion of others who like this genre, but i'm just frankly sick of hearing Diplo mix after Diplo mix being played at every club. i would feel the same if it were Gabriel Ananda or Gui Boratto.

so ... no hating here. just tired of seeing "Diplo Remix" after nearly every record I see or hear. although he is definately talented. i'm just oversaturated with it right now.

no hating here!

funk carioca? classic or dud ... eh ... too early to say. i think it's been overhyped (i.e. grime) in the states. we'll see.

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Saturday, 4 March 2006 04:36 (thirteen years ago) link

I've always found funk carioca a little boring, to be honest, plus the vocals often get stuck in my head in a very irritating way. There are some good tracks. I also don't think Diplo's mixing skills are that great.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 4 March 2006 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link

but cameron, the very way you phrase the question sets it up to look like you're hating. which is it: "funk carioca, classic or dud" or "i'm tired of hearing the same five funk tracks get played out by diplo-biters everywhere i go." two very different issues.

honestly i'm shocked you're hearing it out at all; i've never heard funk played anywhere aside from specific funk performances (and those were at, uh, sonar).

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Saturday, 4 March 2006 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah ... Beauty Bar, Arrow Bar, Milk ... even the Rickshaw! also when I go downtown there are all of those fancy retail places with DJs, and they are always playing those tracks.

believe it or not, SF is even accumulating a techno scene.

the times they are a changin'

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Saturday, 4 March 2006 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link

also, I went to Club 6 last night to see a free Mix Master Mike set, and the resident DJ was fucking tearing it up with dancehall and funk carioca. he was just ... disgusting. it was so much fun, and he managed to do it without one of the tracks i mentioned.

seeing it outside of white boy indie scenester nights was personally refreshing, and reinvigorating. much better to hear something that would get played by DJ Marlboro next to a Sean Paul remix than a fucking bullshit Bloc Party track.

totally not hating.

also, Philip, did you know that San Francisco has 2 reggaeton radio stations? they play funk about half of the time. And ... that shit is all over the Mission. Thankfully, and with good mix tapes for cheap.

like i said, not hating ... not trying to say i'm OG and this is my shit either, but not hating.

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Saturday, 4 March 2006 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link

ten months pass...
baile funk - search and destroy

http://ilx.thehold.net/thread.php?msgid=14490#unread

so many threads...must get new Essay Records vol. 2 comp that Tim F. touted over at the sandbox

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 4 January 2007 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Racism is not just an attribute of white people who shun contact with all non-white ... Check Stylus Magazine for my interview with Diplo of Hollertronix. ...

lmao

and what (ooo), Thursday, 4 January 2007 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link

-- esoteric >>> rakim

lmao

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 4 January 2007 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link

lol

Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 4 January 2007 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link

The Beat Diaspora guy who went to Brazil and is now in Paris and Tunisia posted more stuff recently about his time in Brazil

beat diaspora http://beatdiaspora.blogspot.com/

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 4 January 2007 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link

funk carioca has been around since the 80s. only recently have hipsters made it their play toy

now that the well has begun to run dry all those hipsters are beginning to talk about is this Kuduro thing, which basically sounds the same to me from the tiny bit i've heard thus far

hipstertronica...

PappaWheelie MMCMXL (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 4 January 2007 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I dunno, I think the second essay records comp shows some interesting developments - the music seems less poppy and more ravey than before. Lots of cut-up jitter riffs, and the beats are becoming quite complex. Hardly any of the tracks use a straightforward electro beat.

Is there a term of art for the curiously loping percussion loop used on most tracks? The one that sounds like trolls playing complex skip-rope games underground?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 4 January 2007 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Are you asking about the samples (base beats) used in the majority of Funk?

http://www.discogs.com/release/98549

http://www.discogs.com/release/47708

PappaWheelie MMCMXL (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 5 January 2007 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Probably! I'd have to listen to those to find out. It's the rhythm that sounds like a really heavy bongo pattern, rather than the basic electro beats.

It's like the Amen break of funk.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 5 January 2007 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link

The bongo thing is ouside of my expertise. I only know about the Bass/Electro portions. I'd be curious to know though.

BTW, I'm about 85% sure that the first song to sample Amen was 2 Live Crew's "Feel Alright Ya'll", to tie it all together.

PappaWheelie MMCMXL (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 5 January 2007 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link

funk carioca has been around since the 80s. only recently have hipsters made it their play toy

now that the well has begun to run dry all those hipsters are beginning to talk about is this Kuduro thing, which basically sounds the same to me from the tiny bit i've heard thus far

hipstertronica...

The older I get, the more bored I get of this sort of posturing. If there's a trend of a certain kind of dance music that happens to get embraced by hipsters and played at all the parties, and it also happens to be fun to dance to, I say STFU and dance. That's why it was made, and I don't think Brazilian djs care whether white kids in Brooklyn are enjoying their music out of context, even if they all have big fat smug grins on their faces.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 5 January 2007 05:02 (thirteen years ago) link

I agree. I am curious about the second Essay Records comp, and do not really care whether Brooklyn hipsters have moved on to Angolan Kudoro African rave music or not.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 5 January 2007 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Hilary

With your daft African poptechno
And that wine you call bull's blood

urge to check sandbox... must resist (fandango), Friday, 5 January 2007 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I say STFU and dance.

CLEARLY you ain't never parited w/ me...

PappaWheelie MMCMXL (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 5 January 2007 22:09 (thirteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

http://beatdiaspora.blogspot.com/

Some interesting postings

curmudgeon, Monday, 12 November 2007 15:19 (twelve years ago) link

That second Rio Baile Funk comp is still one of my top 5 discs this year. People should get on it.

Tim F, Monday, 12 November 2007 21:55 (twelve years ago) link

That's been on my 'to buy' list. Need to finally get it.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 14:40 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

my friend saw a young favela boy show Diplo his "Wesley" and "Pentz" tattoos on his arms, respectively
good luck, brazil

old chisel (haitch), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 04:26 (ten years ago) link

Ha

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 16:30 (ten years ago) link

ten years pass...

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