TS: RYM vs. Metacritic

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In this corner, we have Rate Your Music, a place where anyone who signs up can contribute to the overall grade a recording gets.

In the other corner, we have Metacritic which comes up with ratings for reviews from an A-List of notable media outlets to decide an album's relative worth.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 12:49 (fifteen years ago) link

At ringside, we have Me clutching my head in my hands and softly sobbing.

Abu Hamster (noodle vague), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 12:53 (fifteen years ago) link

To allow for comparison, here are the respective top albums of last year in both places, plus the Pazz & Jop:

Rate Your Music

1 Sufjan Stevens Illinois
2 Thelonious Monk Thelonious Monk Quartet With John Coltrane At Carnegie Hall
3 Opeth Ghost Reveries
4 Wilco Kicking Television: Live in Chicago
5 Kraftwerk Minimum - Maximum
6 Riverside Second Life Syndrome
7 Nevermore This Godless Endeavor
8 Kamelot The Black Halo
9 Sigur Rós Takk...
10 Porcupine Tree Deadwing
11 Andrew Bird Andrew Bird & The Mysterious Production of Eggs
12 Kate Bush Aerial
13 Strapping Young Lad Alien
14 Trivium Ascendancy
15 Jesu Jesu
16 Pat Metheny The Way Up
17 Coil The Ape of Naples
18 The Mars Volta Frances the Mute
19 The Decemberists Picaresque
20 Animal Collective Feels
21 System of a Down Mezmerize
22 Wolf Parade Apologies to the Queen Mary
23 Iron Maiden Death on the Road
24 Antony and the Johnsons I Am a Bird Now
25 Dark Tranquillity Character
26 Dane Cook Retaliation
27 Nile Annihilation of the Wicked
28 My Morning Jacket Z
29 The New Pornographers Twin Cinema
30 Bright Eyes I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning

Metacritic

1 Illinois by Sufjan Stevens
2 Z by My Morning Jacket
3 Wearemonster by Isolée
4 Hypermagic Mountain by Lightning Bolt
5 The Woods by Sleater-Kinney
6 I Am A Bird Now by Antony And The Johnsons
7 Arular by M.I.A.
8 Minimum-Maximum [Live] by Kraftwerk
9 Thunder, Lightning, Strike by The Go! Team
10 LCD Soundsystem by LCD Soundsystem
11 Black Sheep Boy by Okkervil River
12 Chavez Ravine by Ry Cooder
13 The Mysterious Production Of Eggs by Andrew Bird
14 I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning by Bright Eyes
15 Blinking Lights And Other Revelations by Eels
16 Separation Sunday by The Hold Steady
17 Mezmerize by System Of A Down
18 Beauty And The Beat by Edan
19 Twin Cinema by The New Pornographers
20 Oh You're So Silent Jens by Jens Lekman
21 Oceans Apart by The Go-Betweens
22 Kicking Television: Live In Chicago by Wilco
23 Late Registration by Kanye West
24 This Right Here Is Buck 65 by Buck 65
25 Lookaftering by Vashti Bunyan
26 These Were The Earlies by The Earlies
27 Takk... by Sigur Rós
28 Lost And Safe by The Books
29 Feels by Animal Collective
30 Gimme Fiction by Spoon

Pazz & Jop

1 West, Kanye Late Registration
2 M.I.A. Arular
3 Stevens, Sufjan Illinois
4 Sleater-Kinney The Woods
5 Apple, Fiona Extraordinary Machine
6 White Stripes, The Get Behind Me Satan
7 Antony and the Johnsons I Am a Bird Now
8 Hold Steady, The Separation Sunday
9 New Pornographers, The Twin Cinema
10 My Morning Jacket Z
11 LCD Soundsystem LCD Soundsystem
12 Monk Quartet, Thelonious with Coltrane, John Thelonious Monk Quartet with John Coltrane at Carnegie Hall
13 Amadou & Mariam Dimanche a Bamako
14 Spoon Gimme Fiction
15 Common Be
16 Bright Eyes I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning
17 Beck Guero
18 Bloc Party Silent Alarm
19 Go! Team, The Thunder, Lightning, Strike
20 LaVette, Bettye I've Got My Own Hell to Raise
21 Gorillaz Demon Days
22 Animal Collective Feels
23 Art Brut Bang Bang Rock & Roll
24 Konono No. 1 Congotronics
25 Bush, Kate Aerial
26 Franz Ferdinand You Could Have It So Much Better
27 Legend, John Get Lifted
28 Wolf Parade Apologies to the Queen Mary
29 Mountain Goats, The The Sunset Tree
30 System of a Down Mezmerize

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 12:56 (fifteen years ago) link

And what's so wrong with Acclaimed Music all of a sudden, eh?

1. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
2. M.I.A. - Arular
3. Antony and The Johnsons - I Am a Bird Now
4. Kanye West - Late Registration
5. Bloc Party - Silent Alarm
6. LCD Soundsystem - LCD Soundsystem
7. Bright Eyes - I'm Wide Awake It's Morning
8. Franz Ferdinand - You Could Have It So Much Better
9. My Morning Jacket - Listen
10. The New Pornographers - Twin Cinema
11. Sleater-Kinney - The Woods
12. Gorillaz - Demon Days
13. The White Stripes - Get Behind Me Satan
14. Animal Collective - Feels
15. Spoon - Gimme Fiction
16. Wolf Parade - Apologies to the Queen Mary
17. Art Brut - Bang Bang Rock and Roll
18. Common - Be
19. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah - Clap Your Hands Say Yeah
20. Maximo Park - A Certain Trigger
21. Fiona Apple - Extraordinary Machine
22. Sigur Ros - Takk
23. The Magic Numbers - The Magic Numbers
24. The Decemberists - Picaresque
25. The Hold Steady - Separation Sunday
26. Andrew Bird - Andrew Bird & the Mysterious Production of Eggs
27. Broken Social Scene - Broken Social Scene
28. Kaiser Chiefs - Employment
29. Isolee - We Are Monster
30. System of a Down - Mezmerize

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:49 (fifteen years ago) link

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Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:51 (fifteen years ago) link

From the Acclaimed Music FAQ:

How has your own music taste affected the result of the compiled lists?

Not at all. So please don't blame me for the omission of Judas Priest's "Sad Wings of Destiny".

--

Anyone who likes that disc is okay by me!

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:58 (fifteen years ago) link

The problem is that Metacritic doesn't aggregate all releases from all A-list media outlets, just the ones they deem worthy. For example, that Jesu record that's #15 on rate your music doesn't even have a listing on Metacritic.

bobby.lasers (bobby.lasers), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 13:59 (fifteen years ago) link

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I don't want to ask, really I don't, it's just that I feel this strange uncontrollable urge that I'm powerless to resist....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Jesu and Opeth not even in the Metacritic index ! = They are ignorant "Indie Rock Robots" with subscriptions to Magnet & Paste magazines

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:06 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't want to ask, really I don't, it's just that I feel this strange uncontrollable urge that I'm powerless to resist....

I think he's flabbergasted that an album by a comedian (i.e. no music) made a list. Which makes him a musicist, apparently...

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link

"comedian"

latebloomer: Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K. (latebloomer), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:00 (fifteen years ago) link

"I think he's flabbergasted that an album by a comedian...."

Aaaaah, now that would explain things.

Like why I'd never 'eard of 'im before.

"Which makes him a musicist, apparently..."

Are you sure he's not a comedist?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link

I always get them mixed up.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link

latebloomer OTM

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Em. Neither, if possible. This probably says more about Sufjan Stevens that it does about anything else.

M. Biondi, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 22:33 (fifteen years ago) link

The problem is that Metacritic doesn't aggregate all releases from all A-list media outlets

It's true. Metacritic also has blind spots with respect to hard rock, classic rock and metal in general. And they often assign numerical scores which have no correlation with the actual review. I used to laugh when my stuff would get sampled and was clearly a serious putdown or shredding would get a mediocre number in the yellow. I'm betting that happens systematically with many others which were sampled. It's better suited to aggregation of movies since the job is a lot less intensive.

As for the rest, no experience, not interested to make cost effective.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 23:11 (fifteen years ago) link

who is sufijanz?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 23:12 (fifteen years ago) link

four years pass...

Rewind: Music from 10, 20, and 30 Years Ago This Month

As we did in October, September, August, June and July, we look back at key albums released 10, 20, and 30 years ago this month. This month, we remember November 2000, November 1990, and November 1980.

Albums from November 2000

Key Release:
The Sophtware Slump 81
by Grandaddy

KEY RELEASE

THE SOPHTWARE SLUMP

BY GRANDADDY

!!!!!!!!

ilxor, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 03:13 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

K, so, Metacritic. I've been wondering at the way the critics' ratings of music are nearly all green ("universal acclaim") with a very few yellow ("mixed") ratings and virtually no red. Whereas the movies seem to have more of a bell curve. Is it that movies are easier to criticize without chalking it up to personal taste, or is all this new music just AWSSUM?

Has talent, needs to figure out how to improve (staggerlee), Thursday, 14 November 2013 02:12 (eight years ago) link

music is harder to fuck up than movies

imago, Thursday, 14 November 2013 02:17 (eight years ago) link

Sick Mouthy wrote a pretty great blog post taking off from the very same observation.

JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 November 2013 05:13 (eight years ago) link

great post. he mentions that the "criticism-topography" of video game criticism also differs from that of music and film, although he doesn't go into more detail. the reality of that situation is that the vast majority of reviews of video games is what metacritic would call "generally positive," with a smaller number of games receiving a mild reception and an astonishingly small number of them being received outright poorly. about a month ago tevis thompson wrote an excellent piece about this, if anyone happens to be interested in how this phenonemon plays into newer forms of media criticism.

dyl, Thursday, 14 November 2013 18:57 (eight years ago) link

How many media outlets does Metacritic go to for music?

curmudgeon, Thursday, 14 November 2013 20:48 (eight years ago) link

Have we done pizza vs curry?

how's life, Thursday, 14 November 2013 21:21 (eight years ago) link

five years pass...

Mod response to an image upload I just did: "Your square image is not the correct shape for a digipak which is more rectangular by design."

This fuckin site, man

imago, Friday, 18 January 2019 00:45 (two years ago) link

"I tried to join the diarrhea drinkers club but they told me the amount of corn in my cup actually made it closer to poop"

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 18 January 2019 01:02 (two years ago) link

ew

imago, Friday, 18 January 2019 01:03 (two years ago) link

at least i'm not uploading to genius huh

imago, Friday, 18 January 2019 01:03 (two years ago) link

Whiney OTM.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 18 January 2019 01:10 (two years ago) link

"This will have to wait until a proper scan of the digipak artwork can be uploaded."

imago, Friday, 18 January 2019 01:21 (two years ago) link

"Hi, I do understand your frustration, but we really do want to be as accurate as possible. Imagine you went to the zoo and the lion enclosure was full of leopards. You mention it to the zoo keeper and he says "well, they're both cats, near enough". It's not really satisfactory when the goal is to present accurate information."

imago, Friday, 18 January 2019 07:05 (two years ago) link

This is, to be clear, about an image being 'too square' to be a CD cover

imago, Friday, 18 January 2019 07:05 (two years ago) link

the petty shits have revoked my upload privileges, lol

imago, Friday, 18 January 2019 07:45 (two years ago) link

have swallowed my pride and sent a feedback form explaining and apologising for what i did wrong, and asking ever so nicely if i can be allowed to upload again. let's see what they have in store. probably a site ban

imago, Friday, 18 January 2019 07:50 (two years ago) link

BAN LJ

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 18 January 2019 08:20 (two years ago) link

post the image here so we can rightfully shame it

ufo, Friday, 18 January 2019 08:30 (two years ago) link

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3859399155_16.jpg

if you look closely, you will notice that this is a leopard, rather than a lion

imago, Friday, 18 January 2019 08:39 (two years ago) link

What you have to understand, imago, is that RYM always had an inferiority complex relative to discogs. In the early days, serious music fans would pick on RYM for laughable mistakes, inconsistencies, missing information and the likes. It got to them, RYM was like: "our survival is at stake".
I limit my contributions to adding singles from itunes and suggesting merges, and some of the time I don't even bother about adding a random digital single cover for an entry that will be rated by 5 people in the next 8 years.

Nabozo, Friday, 18 January 2019 09:45 (two years ago) link

Have you ever seen Wiki edits talk pages ? Contributing there is probably making the Devil go pale and embarrassed. And yet what a beautiful internet creation... you need the devil you see (sorry, I've just read Doctor Faustus)

Nabozo, Friday, 18 January 2019 09:48 (two years ago) link

See this is why I only add primarily digital releases if any

don't let's be beastly to the gammons (ultros ultros-ghali), Friday, 18 January 2019 10:51 (two years ago) link

I don't use RYM for classical music at all because their catalogue is glaringly incomplete and manually adding each work, which requires that you post the details to a specific subforum where it will take at least 24h for your submission to be approved by Cerberus-like mods – not to mention the fact that the performers' entries are routinely lacking as well – is a full-time unpaid internship. For non-classical music, however, I've never had much trouble adding new bands/releases/album covers, perhaps because they were all on Bandcamp.

pomenitul, Friday, 18 January 2019 11:19 (two years ago) link

yeah that's what I did here, but the image from Bandcamp - the only image online, pretty much - was the 'wrong shape', I despair tbh

imago, Friday, 18 January 2019 11:34 (two years ago) link

I suppose you can save it to your computer and resize it before uploading it right back. I've had to do that before, now that I think of it.

pomenitul, Friday, 18 January 2019 11:43 (two years ago) link

all sorted now thankfully - key to my restored privileges being my politeness and calm, apologetic response. 2007 LJ is looking on at me in envy

and yeah I do understand the need for a precise database. there is an element of preserving history to all this which I get

imago, Friday, 18 January 2019 15:00 (two years ago) link

even so that sounds awfully pedantic. like I've added tracklistings and times to albums and had them held up because I put I "owned" the release which meant I had a CD with a catalogue # and label and they wouldn't approve until I had that, when the reality is I lost the CD long ago

that said as a general resource I think RYM is pretty nice - I've discovered a lot of great stuff through there

frogbs, Friday, 18 January 2019 15:11 (two years ago) link

well yeah it's absolutely key to my listening habits

imago, Friday, 18 January 2019 15:12 (two years ago) link

on consideration i am impressed at how much rym has improved over the past decade, especially considering the constant influx of 4chan users. to deal with that while consistently improving the quality of the reviews and the ratings is an accomplishment imo. i think the comparison to wikipedia is a good one, but unlike wikipedia rym doesn't have the "npov" fig leaf. adapting the wikipedia model to a site that is pretty much nothing _but_ subjective opinions... again, an accomplishment imo.

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Friday, 18 January 2019 15:13 (two years ago) link

IMDB is pretty much the model here I guess.

Siegbran, Friday, 18 January 2019 17:00 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

Just discovered this 'Best of Rate Your Music' twitter & am loving it:

pic.twitter.com/0MtnqR1UCA

— Best of RateYourMusic (@Rateyrmusic) April 27, 2019

One Eye Open, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 18:02 (two years ago) link

*nervously scans twitter feed*

might have a few good review submissions for there, notably

https://rateyourmusic.com/review?id=44402954

and

https://rateyourmusic.com/review?id=4612007

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 18:11 (two years ago) link

also this which I suspect might be too *good* for that feed

https://rateyourmusic.com/review?id=26968079

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 18:12 (two years ago) link

lol those are all incredible

One Eye Open, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 23:02 (two years ago) link

Yeah one of my first thoughts was “please don’t let me be on this feed”, but I don’t think I posted any true fuckwittery during my brief affair with RYM long ago

One Eye Open, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 23:09 (two years ago) link

off the current topic but i enjoy being an asshole in the album comment boxes rym added a few years ago

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 23:11 (two years ago) link

yeah i have tons of shitty rym meme reviews from when i was old enough that i should have known better. i'm very grateful because some mods are going through and "unpublishing" all of them so unless you're my friend there you won't know what a bozo i was

nowadays of course i'm much better and write essays analyzing old genesis bootlegs from a trans perspective

rym comment boxes are one step above youtube comments and should go away but i occasionally post the shit that would've gone in my meme reviews there

my real vice is the message boards, which is 90% teenage canon-builders talking about which radiohead record is best and 10% people recommending serbian punk records nobody outside of serbia has ever heard of, i love this board but it alone can't feed my jones

Burt Bacharach's Bees (rushomancy), Thursday, 2 May 2019 00:18 (two years ago) link

hah yeah I've had a number of my reviews 'unpublished', including a lot of my best ones

I understand why the comment boxes are there, it's kind of nice that every album gets its own discussion thread now, and it keeps a lot of the shit out of the reviews. wish they were a bit more interactive though

nowadays of course i'm much better and write essays analyzing old genesis bootlegs from a trans perspective

yeah see this is why I love RYM actually

frogbs, Thursday, 2 May 2019 13:10 (two years ago) link

i've had some of my most _popular_ reviews unpublished. initially i was a little put out by it, but in the long run it does make the site better, because back when they would host any old shit the stuff that got "liked" most were the dumb joke reviews rather than anything that had any kind of actual thought or effort put into it. not only is "publishing any old shit" a really bad idea for an internet site in 2019, but establishing some sort of editorial control goes a long way towards making the site better

nowadays the stuff that gets "liked" the most are long lists of random records three people have heard, and i'm ok with that, except insofar as we tend to "like" the lists without actually listening to any of the records

the other thing i find really interesting, because it's as far as i can tell deliberately obscure, is that they do have some fairly advanced anti-brigading features in their ranking algorithms. it's complicated, but in practical terms it seems like basically only ratings between 2.5 and 4 are counted towards the overall score of a record

Burt Bacharach's Bees (rushomancy), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:35 (two years ago) link

that twitter feed accepted my Hulk Hogan suggestion and found...so much more

frogbs, Friday, 3 May 2019 19:31 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

The guitar riffs here are some of the coolest I've heard. I spent a whole summer smoking pot in my parents garage learning to play this album on the guitar and I would be a shitty person if I had not done that. You'd probably agree that you are lame compared to me, while reading this. I'd agree, and then add that Possessed should thank me for writing this review. You're welcome!

this five star review of possessed's seven churches is easily the best thing i've ever read on rym and one of the greatest pieces of music writing of all time

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:05 (two years ago) link

pic.twitter.com/0GMbUMqkkW

— Best of RateYourMusic (@Rateyrmusic) May 19, 2019

that LOL in the end kills me

frogbs, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:20 (two years ago) link

Fine melodic rock album. Well done, Alias guys. I am an AOR lover and a grunge hater. Unfortunately, no one can change a history, I mean a lot of great bands were blown away in 90s by the ugly form of music as grunge is. Well, it happened with the band of question. Alias debut offering the almost perfect AOR material with the strong Curci's vocals as the distinctive feature. To be quite honest, tracks of second half of the release are not so great as the first part, so I can give them about 3,75 stars.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 13:41 (two years ago) link

letmetrythisname 09 Aug 2017 02:37 GMT

Mambo No. 0.5

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:41 (two years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/Kk1QV2x.jpg

tandoor vittles (unregistered), Thursday, 30 May 2019 16:03 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

I’m sure people have listened to the stuff they rate on Rate Your Music

brimstead, Sunday, 7 July 2019 20:01 (two years ago) link

a horrible website

dyl, Sunday, 7 July 2019 22:00 (two years ago) link

RYM's ratings and forums are dominated by metal fans and pompous The Wire readers. Bit I still like the lists thing, the ones made by single users not generated from ratings.

And filtering down to single genres, even the ratings lists are useful. For instance they have helped me disover some nice 2000s synthpop gems. Johan Bäckström, for instance.

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 10:05 (two years ago) link

And not just metal fans, the worst kind: progressive metal fans.

But yes the genre charts are absolutely fantastic for discovering new (old) stuff, infinitely better than any Spotify AI suggestion algorithm.

Siegbran, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 10:39 (two years ago) link

six months pass...

https://theshfl.com

mookieproof, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:29 (one year ago) link

ha the first recommendation I got was from a Lex review

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:48 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

so proud that rym is finally beginning to take female artists seriously:

https://i.imgur.com/rpKyLDw.jpg

(from the comment box for the Doja Cat/SZA collab)

in walked airbud (unregistered), Thursday, 5 August 2021 17:17 (three months ago) link

four weeks pass...

https://i.imgur.com/niLqGMY.jpg

in walked airbud (unregistered), Thursday, 2 September 2021 21:22 (three months ago) link

Twitter brain

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 2 September 2021 21:39 (three months ago) link

Yeah, def. If there's a prime example of an artist that could only exist under capitalism, it's obviously "the boss."

swim, Thursday, 2 September 2021 22:29 (three months ago) link

(In a neighboring timeline, there's an awful Yakov Smirnoff bit about a soviet answer to Springsteen called "the worker".)

swim, Thursday, 2 September 2021 22:31 (three months ago) link

enjoyed this exchange i just stumbled upon

https://i.imgur.com/UtAi8BO.png

ciderpress, Friday, 3 September 2021 23:39 (two months ago) link

GOD DAMMIT WHAT WAS THE ALBUM NOW I HAVE TO KNOW

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Saturday, 4 September 2021 00:16 (two months ago) link

I hate Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes and all that as much as anyone, but at the same time I don't know any other sites that collate links to reviews like that, so I use them both ten times a day.

Eyeball Kicks, Saturday, 4 September 2021 00:56 (two months ago) link

even I don't know what album that is and I wrote the posts lmao

he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Saturday, 4 September 2021 08:55 (two months ago) link

ohhhh it's that Silverchair side-project, obvs :D

he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Saturday, 4 September 2021 08:57 (two months ago) link

(the song in question is Somewhere Down The Barrel)

he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Saturday, 4 September 2021 08:59 (two months ago) link

two months pass...

rym absolutely adores the new bruno mars album so i'm not sure what planet i'm on

ufo, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 11:06 (two weeks ago) link

#2 for the year?? damn I almost wanna check that out.

frogbs, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 18:39 (two weeks ago) link

it's a solid 70s pastiche, not at all a bad album but not really anything special either, so it's just baffling the way they've latched onto it this much. like rym is still not that interested in soul or r&b more generally so why this of all things lol. does .paak's involvement add sufficient cred to the project or something idk

ufo, Thursday, 18 November 2021 02:42 (two weeks ago) link

"Random Access Memories" was also a high-profile pastiche and wildly popular, this doesn't surprise me at all.

Siegbran, Thursday, 18 November 2021 10:29 (two weeks ago) link

RYM is by nature of its yearly charts something of a consensus engine and it is populated by, shall we say, those of an impressionable age. It tends to fetishise that which its impressionable users unconsciously deem makes themselves more cool and current - coronations are preordained (watch OUT for next year's Black Country, New Road album!) but why,say, this and Little Simz uber alles I don't actually know. Maybe these albums are particularly clear in what they're doing - ambiguity tends to vex consensus

imago, Thursday, 18 November 2021 10:58 (two weeks ago) link

RAM was a gigantically hyped comeback album from a beloved act that hadn't put anything out in a while & had pretty wide critical buy-in (much more than this one), but i'm not sure it was like, beloved to this degree by RYM. even if it was it's not a great comparison point.

mars' schtick for the last decade has been well-crafted-but-shallow pastiches of pop from decades gone by & there's not some huge improvement in quality here, so why have they suddenly bought into this album? it's ranked at something like #16 all time in soul albums which is obviously absurd & will surely go down, but still lol.

the little simz album being overrated there (it's solid but not a masterpiece like they rate it as) is much less of a surprise though, she was already an established favourite there & RYM is fairly sympathetic to lushly-produced conscious hip-hop overall, it's very in the community's wheelhouse.

ufo, Thursday, 18 November 2021 11:18 (two weeks ago) link

Definitely there's a sense that artists have arcs, and if they release a killer breakthrough (Simz' Grey Area, Weyes Blood's FRSTE) then it's likely that the next album will come out to much hype, and if that album is more grandly-realised (as both of those artists' follow-ups were) then it'll do very well indeed

imago, Thursday, 18 November 2021 11:24 (two weeks ago) link

That's the story with Injury Reserve, black midi...most of the top ten in fact. But then...yeah, why Bruno Mars lol

imago, Thursday, 18 November 2021 11:26 (two weeks ago) link

Lol I had the same thought as ufo today as I saw its rating on rym. It's a solid album for sure but very surprised rym would rate it so high. But some albums start high and then tend downward as a wider base check them out, no?

Vinnie, Thursday, 18 November 2021 14:21 (two weeks ago) link

yea it doesn't really compare to Daft Punk because even HAA and the Tron soundtrack were defended pretty vigorously by people who knew they sucked and spent half the reviews apologizing, it was kind of predictable that the next halfway decent Daft Punk album was gonna be lionized. RYM doesn't like Bruno Mars at all. Maybe it just is that good

frogbs, Thursday, 18 November 2021 14:24 (two weeks ago) link

oh wait I just saw the album was released only 6 days ago, yeah that rating's gonna come down. seems to happen a lot on RYM where something gets a lot of early bandwagon hype which encourages a lot of people to check out something they wouldn't be into otherwise and surprise a lot of them won't like it. its kinda shitty but that's how RYM works

frogbs, Thursday, 18 November 2021 14:27 (two weeks ago) link

it's wacky it's this high after a week though

ugh why do i care rym sucks

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 November 2021 14:31 (two weeks ago) link

human after all >>>>> rym

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 November 2021 14:32 (two weeks ago) link

RYM is people, I mean that's just how popularity works.

Siegbran, Thursday, 18 November 2021 15:48 (two weeks ago) link

I guess it works the same way how "Back To Basics" is by far the highest rated Xtina album.

Siegbran, Thursday, 18 November 2021 16:46 (two weeks ago) link

thanks for the revive, ufo. i thought i was the only one who felt like that re:the new bruno thing. it's fine, but like 3.5 stars on the absolute best day.

i still haven't developed the patience required for rym. i gave it a big try this past summer after some prompting here, but i think it's just not meant for people like me.

anyway, brad otm:

ugh why do i care rym sucks

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Thursday, 18 November 2021 18:13 (two weeks ago) link

wrt Mars, as mentioned upthread this isn't a Bruno Mars album it's Bruno AND Anderson Paak, who I think has a lot more uh "cred" or whatever you want to call it, I'd bet money that's a big part in how it's being received

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 November 2021 18:38 (two weeks ago) link

Part of it could also be that the weirdos that live in the rym comment boxes just aren't familiar with the source material that is being pastiched here? Too busy listening to Bull of Heaven to be bothered.

cwkiii, Thursday, 18 November 2021 22:42 (two weeks ago) link

Part of it could also be that the weirdos that live in the rym comment boxes just aren't familiar with the source material that is being pastiched here

lol idk how true this is, but that's similar to what i'm pondering. i've tried with anderson paak as well and have had a similar reaction: this is decent, but i don't think i like it as much as the rest of you seem to.

that being said, i really wanted to like it because i do feel like bruno and anderson are genuinely talented dudes. but i've found them underwhelming on record so far.

the beginning of the end of discourse. (Austin), Thursday, 18 November 2021 23:13 (two weeks ago) link

I love Malibu but that's the only album I've heard of Paak's that I would rate highly

Vinnie, Thursday, 18 November 2021 23:32 (two weeks ago) link


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