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...is the most draw-droppingly blatant rip-off of The House of Love in the history of space.

dan, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Just wanted to share.

dan, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Of all the things to rip off these days. Mind you, "Catch the Sun" is just Swervedriver, which is not a bad thing at all.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh by the way, welcome, I gather you're new here. :-)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Thanks.

It's just like 'Feel'. It even features the word 'justify' ferchrissakes.

dan, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Everything old is new again. Next, a partially dubbed-out, partially horn-led eight minute long neo-gaze number called "Risen From the Dead."

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Um, I'm sorry, I didn't understand that. But I'm confident it was clever and perceptive.

dan, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

no it was just a ned-style joke :P

mark s, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

the most draw-droppingly blatant rip-off of The House of Love in the history of space.

Err.. what are the other candidates?

N., Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Fair point.

dan, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

no it was just a ned-style joke :P

Man! *cries*

Ned Raggett, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Paul Lester played a track off their new album on GLR last night (yeah I know they call it Multimedia Live BBC London or something now, but to me it's still GLR) manfully being diplomatic in avoiding calling it crap. He did say that it would appeal to the sort of people waiting for the finest British rock album since Urban Hymns but then said of the track in question "If you wait until 3:40 into the song, something truly amazing happened." After wandering through three-and-a-half minutes of regulation-length post-Verve/Embrace sludge, duly at 3 mins 40 secs - erm - some female backing singers came in.

Dear oh dear oh dear. That's another fifteen quid saved, then.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 12 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Keep hearing that single. The amazement hasn't lessened. It's so The bloody House of Love.

dan, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

there are sounds that remind me of House of Love songs, true. Anyone notice the new Gomez song starts off with the same riff as PJ Harvey's 50 Foot Queenie?

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 27 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

eighteen years pass...

So, they're back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q02PXRTMus4

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 July 2020 17:36 (four years ago) link

Pretty good. Two for two on the new singles. This one sounds a bit like the Church.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 12 July 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link

Holy "Space Oddity", Batman!

Davey D, Sunday, 12 July 2020 19:21 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

I like all of the new singles very much, as well as the Comets are Coming remix of "Carousels"

unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 August 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link

yeah me too

sean gramophone, Thursday, 27 August 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link

they seem to be making a concerted effort to not play it small/safe which I really appreciate

unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 August 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link

Brutalist 'Carousels' video - TCIS remix over this maybe a nice pairing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a239ZI3iYI

nashwan, Thursday, 27 August 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link

they seem to be making a concerted effort to not play it small/safe which I really appreciate

― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:25 AM

lol what is this comment?? doves have always been prone to huge anthemic boombast.

and that's why they've always ruled too.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 27 August 2020 16:04 (three years ago) link

I guess I was comparing these more to other bands' comparatively moribund "reunion" records more than to previous Doves albums, though even by their standards these songs are quite demonstrative imo

unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 August 2020 16:08 (three years ago) link

i get it. i was just looking for another reason to espouse their enduring awesomeness.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 27 August 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

Bar is playing doves
Forgot they existed

calstars, Saturday, 22 June 2024 23:38 (two weeks ago) link

I remembered on your behalf

willips brighton the quorners (geoffreyess), Sunday, 23 June 2024 01:47 (two weeks ago) link

The Last Broadcast cheered me up for a while in the 00's but hasn't aged well enough for me to throw it on these days.

octobeard, Sunday, 23 June 2024 01:54 (two weeks ago) link

thank you Geoff
It was good to remember

calstars, Sunday, 23 June 2024 02:11 (two weeks ago) link

Still such a great song and vibe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SneuvKIkM3A

RIP Say Hey Kid (Bee OK), Sunday, 23 June 2024 02:16 (two weeks ago) link

"the man who told everything" is probably my fave and every once in a while out of nowhere i will just yell "GET OUT OF BEEEEEEED.." for no reason. when nobody is around. don't want to scare anyone.

i'll always love doves. never heard their 2020 album though. (and don't remember much about the 2009 album...?) but i never stopped playing those first two.

scott seward, Sunday, 23 June 2024 11:29 (two weeks ago) link

Of course, "There goes the fear" is basically "No Surprises" played in a sprightly manner...

Mark G, Sunday, 23 June 2024 12:57 (two weeks ago) link

true story: i wrote the Doves entry for the last Rolling Stone Album Guide.

scott seward, Sunday, 23 June 2024 13:37 (two weeks ago) link

There are times when I think "Caught By The River" is maybe the most perfect song ever.

henry s, Sunday, 23 June 2024 14:03 (two weeks ago) link

I still dig the first two LPs and their singles were full of great B-Sides too.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 23 June 2024 17:34 (two weeks ago) link

There Goes the Fear is pure therapy

octobeard, Sunday, 23 June 2024 17:38 (two weeks ago) link

let it gooooooooooooooo

octobeard, Sunday, 23 June 2024 17:38 (two weeks ago) link

There Goes the Fear is one of my favourite singles errrr ever. You need the full 7 min album mix for the full effect but even the single version works well. It also inadvertently introduced me to batucada so there's that.

Actually it was only fairly recently I learned it was NME's single of the year. Yessss.

Caught by the River reappeared a few years later as McFly's Don't Know Why. I'm not even sure it was a conscious rip.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 23 June 2024 17:45 (two weeks ago) link

Everyone otm but no mention of The Cedar Room, which is their greatest song.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Sunday, 23 June 2024 17:48 (two weeks ago) link

i thought this revive was going to be about jimis new hip hop album.

https://nightjarjimi.bandcamp.com/album/mala-leche

mark e, Sunday, 23 June 2024 17:57 (two weeks ago) link

jimi's previous solo album was pretty mid, so i'll pass.

otherwise yes, doves are absolutely fucking classic.

i can't believe there isn't more love for "black+white town." sure, it's a blatant pop thing, but for my money one of the more unique coffee shop fodder hits of the early 2000s. some cities in particular hits on that post-acid, post-britpop, saturating, distortiony grandeur really well. "snowden" almost feels like brill building gone shoegaze.

and yes: "there goes the fear" is a monument.

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Sunday, 23 June 2024 18:08 (two weeks ago) link

I still go back to the first three Doves albums a lot. Some Cities is very underrated now and is probably my favourite. I'm with you on Black & White Town Austin. The bit where he stretches out the word "follow" the third time he sings it is such a magical moment.

kitchen person, Sunday, 23 June 2024 18:19 (two weeks ago) link

our Doves my...Coldplay?

feel like how i feel when i listen to Doves might be similar to how a Coldplay fan feels the Coldplay feels.

scott seward, Sunday, 23 June 2024 18:43 (two weeks ago) link

GET OUT OF BEEEEEEEEED.....

thanks for the revive. sheesh. been in my head ALL day long.

scott seward, Sunday, 23 June 2024 18:44 (two weeks ago) link

The Cedar Room, which is their greatest song.

OTM

you can see me from westbury white horse, Sunday, 23 June 2024 19:04 (two weeks ago) link

I always think "Motown" when "Black and White Town" starts playing. Not sure why, just has that kind of feel to it.

henry s, Sunday, 23 June 2024 19:28 (two weeks ago) link

There's a hint of Heatwave in there for sure.

kitchen person, Sunday, 23 June 2024 19:32 (two weeks ago) link

Inspired by this conversation to copy the playlist of an old (and very scratched) homemade Doves "Best Of" CD.

Reckon it was from circa 2005 for drives across the M62 from Altrincham to Leeds and back. Haven't played since not long after that.

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3UMmL06uxrPgKxNhsI20Zd

djh, Sunday, 23 June 2024 19:57 (two weeks ago) link

Was there a "short" version of "There goes the fear"?

Mark G, Sunday, 23 June 2024 21:46 (two weeks ago) link

I will rep for “sulpher man”

calstars, Sunday, 23 June 2024 21:56 (two weeks ago) link

Just listened to The Last Broadcast again for the first time in a while and I take back what I said above, it's aged just fine - it was just my mood at the time not feeling it as much, but it's still epic and nearly every single track on it, even the interludes, are just gloriously triumphant. So much love went in that record!

I remember when I first listened to it; it was a different style from the music I was into at the time (and still sorta is now), but I felt like it was speaking directly to me in some of my darkest moments, full desperation and suicidal ideation, and those songs felt like a hand trying to pull me out of my own shit and I love them dearly for it.

octobeard, Sunday, 23 June 2024 22:09 (two weeks ago) link

i love the production on those first two albums sooooooo much. just awesome sound.

scott seward, Sunday, 23 June 2024 22:11 (two weeks ago) link

The video of "There Goes the Fear," that I posted up thread, is two minutes shorter then the LP version.

Xxxpost

RIP Say Hey Kid (Bee OK), Sunday, 23 June 2024 22:24 (two weeks ago) link

Just played The Universal Want, and it's surprisingly great! I think I like it more than Some Cities and Kingdom of Rust

octobeard, Sunday, 23 June 2024 23:01 (two weeks ago) link

I think "Darker" is my favorite Doves song, it's a B-side from their debut single:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne2W6g6oWtg

RIP Say Hey Kid (Bee OK), Monday, 24 June 2024 00:20 (two weeks ago) link

I will rep for “sulpher man”

― calstars

Love that one. The bit with those rising flutes (or at least I think they're flutes) at the 2.40 mark is so pretty.

kitchen person, Monday, 24 June 2024 00:30 (two weeks ago) link

i love "darker". the u.s. CD has it at the end as a bonus track. darker, valley, and zither are the bonus tracks on the original u.s. cd. i just checked. man, that original u.s. vinyl goes for a lot. i have never heard them on vinyl! i know, me, the vinyl guy. the CDs always sounded awesome though so i never sought out vinyl.

scott seward, Monday, 24 June 2024 01:17 (two weeks ago) link

(so, basically, darker, valley, and zither have just always been a part of my Lost Souls experience. i just consider them a part of the album.)

scott seward, Monday, 24 June 2024 01:18 (two weeks ago) link

ALSO, the u.s. Last Broadcast CD came with a second disc that included hit the ground running, far from grace, northenden, and willow song.

scott seward, Monday, 24 June 2024 01:20 (two weeks ago) link

Huh I don't remember that... Was that a special edition?

octobeard, Monday, 24 June 2024 01:22 (two weeks ago) link

i bought it new when it came out and that's how it came.

scott seward, Monday, 24 June 2024 01:27 (two weeks ago) link

median price of two dollars.

https://www.discogs.com/release/55591-Doves-The-Last-Broadcast

scott seward, Monday, 24 June 2024 01:28 (two weeks ago) link

i'm tempted to buy this. there's one american selling it. nobody buy it! i might get it. i don't have a copy of Lost Sides or Kingdom of Rust.

https://www.discogs.com/release/4035433-Doves-5-Album-Set

scott seward, Monday, 24 June 2024 01:29 (two weeks ago) link

just picked up Lost Sides in a CD bin a month ago, so good

saw them three times live, second time in a small club with an unknown band called "The Strokes" opening

yeah i got the 2 disc set when i bought it in a normal US shop and was crazy about “hit the ground running”, such a jam, worth it for that alone

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Monday, 24 June 2024 01:55 (two weeks ago) link

quite like this band but was not expecting to see them receive an outpouring of ilm love!

mookieproof, Monday, 24 June 2024 03:07 (two weeks ago) link

I saw them around the time Lost Souls came out and I remember finding the gig quite overwhelming - particularly Sea Song, which was just a wraparound of bass tones. So great. Also saw them on the other stage at Glastonbury, following Sigur Ros and Royksopp. A glorious night.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Tuesday, 25 June 2024 18:37 (two weeks ago) link

Just played The Universal Want, and it's surprisingly great!

This year's Elbow album is better than you might think also.

nashwan, Tuesday, 25 June 2024 18:53 (two weeks ago) link

I saw them around the time Lost Souls came out and I remember finding the gig quite overwhelming - particularly Sea Song, which was just a wraparound of bass tones. So great. Also saw them on the other stage at Glastonbury, following Sigur Ros and Royksopp. A glorious night.

― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski)

I think I ended up seeing them at festivals for each of the first three albums and they were always great. That Sub Sub Spaceface track they used to end with was so epic.

kitchen person, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 01:10 (two weeks ago) link

huh, i had no idea "M62 Song" was based on King Crimson's "Moonchild."

this thread had me go back and relisten to their first two albums and those hold up really, really well. "Rise" is so much better than i even remembered it from all those years back.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 02:26 (two weeks ago) link

co-sign re:"rise"
definitely in my top picks for the band

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 02:59 (two weeks ago) link

also re:"m62 song"/krim connection-
i remember when that album came out, it was still in the era of prog bands being decidedly unhip -- except king crimson. that definitely legitimized the sentiment for me back then lol.

i recall a music mag even doing a review on some reissues at the time saying "king crimson (the prog band it's okay to like)" f'kn lol. idk it was mojo or blender or some garbage. i bought into it for a while.

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 03:04 (two weeks ago) link

For myself and many of my friends back around '00-'05 it was the connections to Bowie, Tool and NIN that got them into Crimson. Fripp also had his fingers on so many other great records too. We were all musicians who really got kicks out of poly-rhythms.

octobeard, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 03:49 (two weeks ago) link

yeah, my knowledge of prog was the rando Emerson, Lake and Palmer record in my parents stash. I didn't even bother taking a peek into prog music until the past five or so years but it was definitely seeing the credits of Fripp, Belew, etc. appearing so often in other music I loved.

Like, i wish i'd had a friend years ago that told me to check out KC's "Red" because it sounds like Bowie's "Low" but perverted by Lightning Bolt.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 04:31 (two weeks ago) link

oh so funny anecdote related to that-
i found out about the doves/krim connection because i played last broadcast in the store one day when i was working at a independent record store. it had all the stereotypes attached to such a place, so not only did my pick get demolished by my elitist coworkers for being unoriginal, i got a thorough lecture on all things for the next two weeks or so.

not complaining, those guys were knowledgeable teachers. just kinda assholey about it, you know the deal.

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 06:17 (two weeks ago) link

*all things kc

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 06:18 (two weeks ago) link

hi i wanted to take this loving revival opportunity to shoutout "andalucia" which was the new song on the hits collection that came out in 2009. it's motorik pop revival of the finest flavor imo-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RxGcU2g7OI

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 17:36 (two weeks ago) link

nice to see some ilm love for this band.
went to glastonbury in 2005.
hated just about all of it.
doves on the pyramid stage on the friday afternoon were epic and made me cry.

mark e, Wednesday, 26 June 2024 21:56 (two weeks ago) link

i can't even imagine seeing them live for some reason. they seem such a part of my inner life. i always listen to them alone.

did they tour the states much? or at all?

scott seward, Thursday, 27 June 2024 00:17 (two weeks ago) link

its crazy when i think of all the stuff that came out in the year 2000 that i no longer listen to and i still listen to Lost Souls. such a huge year for indie/alt and rap and pop. i don't listen to Kid A. i do not listen to Sound of Water and a lot of stuff like it. i bought that on vinyl when it came out. i would totally listen to Broken By Whispers though. and Supreme Clientele. Lovers Rock, yes. i listened to Friends of Rachel Worth a couple of weeks ago! i would listen to The Rising Tide. #sunnyday4ever. and i know all you guys still listen to Bloodflowers. but just edging out Internal Wrangler and Fig.5, Lost Souls is probably my favorite non-metal album of that year.

scott seward, Thursday, 27 June 2024 00:35 (two weeks ago) link

I didn’t look too far upthread but in case it wasn’t mentioned — Black and White Town references Thela Hun Ginjeet (“this is a dangerous place”) for King Crimson reference #2

Xgau Murder Spa (nikola), Thursday, 27 June 2024 01:01 (two weeks ago) link

Putting on lost souls

calstars, Saturday, 29 June 2024 02:19 (one week ago) link

It’s one thing to listen to these songs now, but another to remember what it was like hearing them back in the day

calstars, Saturday, 29 June 2024 02:26 (one week ago) link

Rise wtf

calstars, Saturday, 29 June 2024 02:33 (one week ago) link

Rise has been my favourite Lost Souls track for many years. Also love Lost Sides just as much if not more.

nashwan, Saturday, 29 June 2024 13:13 (one week ago) link

I’m guessing part of their secret sauce is slowing down the track during mastering. Seems to be evident on the “rise” riff. Maybe there’s a thread on this. Other examples I can think of are the Beatles “rain” and zep’s “levee”

calstars, Saturday, 29 June 2024 14:12 (one week ago) link

Walking past a building site in Swanley. There Goes The Fear is blasting out of a radio

imago, Monday, 8 July 2024 12:57 (four days ago) link

did they tour the states much? or at all?
― scott seward, Thursday, June 27, 2024 12:17 AM (one week ago)

I have stubs in the back of the Doves cds for their Seattle shows. Would assume the usual U.S. stops if they made it up here. Might have been other shows here, but these were the ones I've caught.

Lost Souls / The Last Broadcast - Graceland, June 3, 2002 with Elbow (The Last Broadcast out April 29 2002)
The Last Broadcast - The Showbox, Oct 3, 2002 with My Morning Jacket
Some Cities - The Showbox, June 11, 2005 with "guests" (I can't remember who opened).

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 8 July 2024 19:26 (four days ago) link

they probably played philly but i think i was gone by then. i think? who the hell knows. in any case, it didn't occur to me back then to look for shows.

scott seward, Monday, 8 July 2024 19:31 (four days ago) link

I saw them June 28, 2001 at Axis in Boston. Webb Brothers opened.

henry s, Monday, 8 July 2024 19:33 (four days ago) link


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