Who's Diggin' J Dilla's "Donuts"?

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I picked up J Dilla's "Donuts" yesterday and it's rockin' my socks. It's apparent that hanging out with Madlib has had an effect on him, because his work and Lib's work (or Doom's instrumentals for that matter) are starting to sound more and more alike.

That said, I think "Donuts" is genius. It's like that Avalanches record, but better, or like Prefuse 73's "Extinguished," except not totally fuckin annoying.

Joshua Alston, Thursday, 9 February 2006 05:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

looking forward to this for months!

karl76 (karl76), Thursday, 9 February 2006 10:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Fuck yeah, this is good. It just never gets dull and is frequently totally ear-popping. I mean, you really haven't heard sound bent quite like this.
I like the fact that even though he has so many ideas he still kills tracks stone dead after a minute - current highlights for me have to be 'Lightworks' and 'Geek Down'.
I'd say it was this year's 'Beauty & The Beat' but fuckit, it's way better than that'd suggest.

Neil Kulkarni, Thursday, 9 February 2006 12:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

how is this not the most boring this ever?

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"It's like that Avalanches record, but better"
WTF, this doesn't sound like the Avalanches at all, does it ?

snowballing (snowballing), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

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Because the songs are all like 90 seconds long. And the loops are all at totally oddangles. The whole album sounds like a bunch of skipping rare-groove records with someone scratching Joeski Love on the top.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've become more accepting of the Jay Dee aesthetic of late (Big Tone's album is pretty good) but this does sound boring.

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

no rapping, no credibility

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

(I like Jay Dee a lot, but I know that if I got this I wouldn't listen to it more than once or twice.)

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hold up indie dudes dont go yet!! i still need to know how it compares to endtroducing, timbaland, MIA, clouddead, diplo, rjd2 & public enemy!

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

deej im at work so can you post a yousendit of copywrite ft kingdom - thats a wrap

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

it's kind of like archers of loaf meets st. ettiene

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

this is a decent enough record but i still prefer that ge-ology mix.

< / complementary ethan threadbait >

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

but its hip-hop right?? how does it compare to dr octagon & still tippin?

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Haha I would but I'm at work too!

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ge-ology is dope - solid cuts for vinia mojica & sadat x

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I picked up J Dilla's "Donuts" yesterday and it's rockin' my socks.

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i go off ilm for a couple months & come back to shit that makes me wanna go ELLI$ on a bitch

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

not in a gay puerto rican stalker way tho

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You ever check that Soul Position song?

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Speaking of RJD2.

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

this is like a nostalgia thread!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

nah im at work now so its just ben hill squad & k-rab all day

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

what the fuck they redesigned art of rhyme!!! end of an era dude

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

hiphopsite needs a redesign.

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i can get all the way through "welcome 2 detroit" but that's probably because it's not 100% straight instrumentals. "donuts", if i got it right, is just instrumentals, right?

i wish he'd released it as-is on lp for djs and such and done it as a mixtape for CD. something tells me i will eventually shell out for this and end up never listening to it (same as all every slum village thing since "fantastic")

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 February 2006 17:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

part of me will die inside if hiphopsite loses the "where you @' logo

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Its easy to clown HHS (look at the stupid mix they're pushing on the front page right now) but they did hook me up with a "Damn Homie" t-shirt when I bought GRODT.

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

what kinda herb buys grodt off hiphopsite?? do you live in norway??

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i mean i got mine at the discount mall for $5 two weeks before it dropped

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The herb who wants a Damn Homie t-shirt!

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

aight fennessey

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.recordcompanyrecords.com/graphic/int/eso1.gif
The music doesn’t make those kids cool. But don’t mock me because I know all the words to Mos Def’s Black On Both Sides. Just call me cultured.

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I was just trying to acknowledge the ever-emerging Blackness in daily life. :(

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the ever-emerging herbish newjackness of rap critics

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Now just because I appreciate and respect the culture, doesn’t mean I falsely (and lamely) try to emulate it. It has its place. That place just is not in my house or on my body. Like I said, I’m white and I deserve khakis and loafers with pennies in them. When I see a white kid from Rye County or Long Island or any other blessed region dressed in FUBU jeans and a doo rag, I think to myself, “That’s a shame. That kid has no identity.” But just because I know my place doesn’t mean I can’t get down to any type of music I please. I’m often pleased by Rakim and De La Soul.

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

^^ big no homo on that last line

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

this thread title sounds nasty

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Now just because I appreciate and respect the culture, doesn’t mean I falsely (and lamely) try to emulate it. It has its place. That place just is not in my house or on my body.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/casualt/More%20Fun%20Bags/racist.gif

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

what dude allows in his house >> http://themack.org/SeanColumnElliott.html

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The only kid to write about rap that's actually a bigger cornball than Padgett and Patrin is Fennessey (not counting Harvell, obviously).

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

not in a gay puerto rican stalker way tho
-- ,, (...), February 9th, 2006.

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not puerto rican.

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i was talking about tego calderon

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

YO..FUCK JEEZY..IT'S ALL ABOUT CHECKMARK FROM STITZOFRENIKS IN 2006 !!!

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

not in a gay (...) stalker way tho
-- ,, (...), February 9th, 2006.

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You can't call anyone gay when you wear capri pants and have an online buddy list which includes fat techno fans from Seattle.

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

who the fuck are you talking about?? matos isnt on my buddy list

,,, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

LOLerskates.

ETHAN FAGGETT, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

No one's talking about "The Shining" right? I like it a lot. I wish Pharoahe Monch would steer clear of Dilla-style beats though. I find Common's adult contemporapping a lot more bearable. Best song might be the Dwele remix, but I think I just secretly wish Dilla only produced R&B

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 20:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The production is really beautifully lush and labored over, although part of that is his rep talking the production really does sound terrifically layered and gorgeous in a way that implies very intentional, non-accidental craft.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 21:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

im loving the shining. on the same tip is some new kid i heard today named FLYING LOTUS on stones throw that was totally kick ass.

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 21:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

but I think I just secretly wish Dilla only produced R&B

He should've done a lot more.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 22:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the shining hasn't stuck with me the way other jay dee albums have. i need to listen to it more i guess.

my friend just sent me this email: yo, chris has an ipod playlist of originals from Donuts. It's crazy because that album is fraught with hidden messages. They're all messages from his death bed. when you go back and listen to the original songs they're all ominous like "Fruitman" by Kool & the Gang about the importance of good food (he got sick by not eating right), and "When I die" by Motherlode. Real real deep. It's really apparent when you hear the originals.

also the new qtip album kinda sux. i really liked Kamaal and this is more of the same live band funk/soul/rock type shit, but it's way jammier and just doesn't do it for me. my favorite track on the album is a jay dee produced number.

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 23:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

sorta related - said friend from the email said the De La Soul mixtape of unreleased cuts and stuff is one of his favorite hip hop albums of the year

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 23:55 (twelve years ago) Permalink

New Q-Tip album? Tell me more. I just saw ATCQ the other night. Great show.

Am I the only one that likes the similiar Madlib album that came out a few months ago better than Donuts?

Post-Rodney (But no one called it that at the time) (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 7 September 2006 02:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Whats this 'new qtip' - you don't mean the jazz album from a couple years back? His first all-dilla album was pretty underrated.

The Shining is sitting real well with me right now.

He should've done a lot more.

No doubt. How is the rest of the Steve Spacek album after "Dollar," and did Dilla do any more beats on it? I've been going to this club lately where they use that song as an end of the night wind-down thing, I love it more each time.

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 7 September 2006 02:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the new qtip is called Live at the Renaissance here's an article/interview about it
http://www.allhiphop.com/features/?ID=1171

i love the first jaydee produced one. the 'jazz' one you're talking about is called Kamaal the Abstract. i think it's pretty great, and this new one is pretty similar but just not as good to me.

jay dee only produced 'dollars' on the spacek album. spacek produced most of it himself. i think it's pretty good. here's a thread i started about it. The new Steve Spacek album is really good...

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 7 September 2006 02:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Pet peeve time: Having those little links that pop up is like having a mixtape DJ shouting over your article.

Post-Rodney (But no one called it that at the time) (R. J. Greene), Thursday, 7 September 2006 03:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The last track on the Shining uses a break thats a deadringer for the beatnuts' "We got the funk"

deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 7 September 2006 03:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Footsteps in the Dark," no?

Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 7 September 2006 07:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

loving the shining, and the dilla tracks on the new roots. donuts is still the best thing i've heard all year, and i would love a peep at the playlist of sources.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Thursday, 7 September 2006 07:57 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i like this better and better over time.

deej was right: this isn't so much like the avalanches record.

the art ensemble of chicago house (vahid), Friday, 8 September 2006 06:59 (twelve years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

i've been listening to this album a lot the past couple days, and i just can't believe how great it is. things i like about it:

1. the anti-cohesive cohesiveness, i came to really enjoy the abrupt track changes, there is definitely a flow to this album that isn't apparent at first
2. the different textures of the static in the background of the samples is a very pleasing sound to me, especially on the more relaxed tracks. that combined with off-kilter unusual melodies and sample choices, such an awesome sound.
3. the sentimental part of me hears it as a kind of nostalgic montage that was meaningful to dilla, like his life flashing before his eyes
4. the brevity of each track pulls me into listening to the whole album instead of skipping around. one track just makes me want to hear the next one because i can already hear the transition coming up, but at the same time i don't get bored of the transitions because they're still so suprising. it also just gives the album a really unique "shape" (i guess that ties into #1)
5. tracks: 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14 (a good example of the static-y textures thing that i like), 15, 16... i guess listing tracks is kinda pointless, i pretty much love all of em

i've been listening to the shining and welcome 2 detroit, but neither have grabbed me as much as this one. any recommendations?

later arpeggiator, Saturday, 9 February 2008 20:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i cant believe this thread. the avalanches? dilla sounding like madlib? what were you guys smoking? Donuts is the man's masterpiece, i like much of his shit but 2 years later that album still gets mad plays from everyone i know. that shit has enchanted people i know who arent even really hiphop fans.

only the post above mine has really hit the nail on the head, and it took 2 years. when i first listened to Donuts, it was the day it came out. i skipped through the tracks on vinyl, and i wasn't feeling it. i listened to it the next day on CD and realized that this was the obviously superior method for listening to it and i bought it immediately. it's now one of my top 10 albums of all time in any genre. the ebb and flow of emotions over the record is outstanding. it is so sad, beautiful, dark, happy, sexy, dirty, and deep, all at the same time.

for me, the guy was the greatest man to rock a sampler. but i've loved him forever, been rocking Welcome 2 Detroit since that shit came out, a total classic as well. between those two records and Fantastic Vol 1 alone, the guy is the greatest hiphop producer of all time. when you throw in other singles of his like "fuck the police" and shit he did for other cats, he just cant be topped.

also, i saw someone upthread ask if he had been listening to theo parrish records before making donuts. id assume it was quite the opposite, though im sure dilla heard theo as well. if you look on youtube, there is a video of Waajeed (who was dilla's boy) going record shopping in Melodies and Memories and he talks about the classic detroit records by Moodymann and Carl Craig. those cats know about detroit shit for real.

pipecock, Sunday, 10 February 2008 03:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

this is a good record

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 10 February 2008 04:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the ever-emerging herbish newjackness of rap critics

-- ,,, Thursday, February 9, 2006 6:55 PM

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 10 February 2008 04:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"someone"

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 10 February 2008 04:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

those cats know about detroit shit for real.

there was a really old benji b radio broadcast w/the slum village cats talking about music and they said in detroit there wasn't really a differentiation between listening to techno and listening to hip hop. it was all just good music to them.

jaxon, Sunday, 10 February 2008 06:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

that shit has enchanted people i know who arent even really hiphop fans.

ahh yes the sign of a great hip hop producer

deej, Sunday, 10 February 2008 17:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i prefer reading a forum where this album's perfection is in question because the obligation im supposed to feel to call this the 'a love supreme' of hip-hop when i read soulstrut or wherever else is real obnoxious to me, even tho i do like this record

deej, Sunday, 10 February 2008 17:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

here i was thinking that alex posting old fennessey columns on the graduation thread was a landmark event :(

J0rdan S., Sunday, 10 February 2008 19:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

how did he die? that's sad...

-- M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 12 February 2006 15:41 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

He had his heart broken by this thread, and just faded away.

-- Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:44 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

^^^Classic Passantino

Dom Passantino, Sunday, 10 February 2008 19:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

love love love this album

sleep, Sunday, 10 February 2008 19:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

deej - if dilla praise annoys you NEVER go to okayplayer - they literally worship him there

The Brainwasher, Sunday, 10 February 2008 19:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"ahh yes the sign of a great hip hop producer"

it is the sign of making great music. when someone can do something that is within a genre but its appeal is far

"i prefer reading a forum where this album's perfection is in question because the obligation im supposed to feel to call this the 'a love supreme' of hip-hop when i read soulstrut or wherever else is real obnoxious to me, even tho i do like this record

-- deej"

i mean, if you want to question the greatness of an awesome record, that's up to you. you can think whatever you want about this album, but my guess is that this record is only going to be more revered as time goes on, and for good reason.

pipecock, Sunday, 10 February 2008 20:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"there was a really old benji b radio broadcast w/the slum village cats talking about music and they said in detroit there wasn't really a differentiation between listening to techno and listening to hip hop. it was all just good music to them.

-- jaxon"

the detroit scene is insane. it really is something to experience. if you ever get a chance to hear it, Waajeed did a mix CD for 555 Soul that is all electro and non-hiphop. its a dope mix.

pipecock, Sunday, 10 February 2008 20:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

its not that i dont think its good, and i in fact think it is excellent - its that i think its a beat tape and getting all 'omg transcendent' about it is weird

and i love dilla

deej, Sunday, 10 February 2008 20:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"its not that i dont think its good, and i in fact think it is excellent - its that i think its a beat tape and getting all 'omg transcendent' about it is weird

and i love dilla

-- deej"

but it isnt just a beat tape. what i like about it is that it mines some similar emotional territory to DJ Shadow's Endtroducing, but in a completely different manner. Shadow's stuff is long, epic, and structured. Dilla did it short, loopy, and choppy. i think the tracks that were on Donuts that have also been released with people rapping over them show that the beats on Donuts are certainly not bettered by being made into a song instead of a part of the big collage that is Donuts. the way the little vocal snippets change the atmosphere, the way the tracks go together, it is very impressive.

pipecock, Sunday, 10 February 2008 20:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

beat tape my ass; his beat tapes are good but this has so much more going on

winston, Sunday, 10 February 2008 20:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah, people love this record for a reason, and i don't think its just dilla's legacy

later arpeggiator, Sunday, 10 February 2008 21:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

like his life flashing before his eyes

this is pretty apt

winston, Sunday, 10 February 2008 21:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Have folks heard this bit of awesomeness: http://www.wevegotthejazz.com/?p=10616

It's an awesome live performance of Donuts front to back.

matt2, Thursday, 20 January 2011 20:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

should i listen to the avalanches?

― team jaxon (jaxon), Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:17 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

did u ever do this?

*gets the power* (deej), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

amazing thread

fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

lol @ pipecock's dilla changed my t-shirt essay upthread

*gets the power* (deej), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

I would like to point out that deej was otm on this thread

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

Guys the main reason I listened to this album is it seemed to be about my mortal enemy, the donut.

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

should i listen to the avalanches?
― team jaxon (jaxon), Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:17 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

did u ever do this?
― *gets the power* (deej), Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:01 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this never happened

jaxon, Thursday, 20 January 2011 23:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

ha
too bad. i honestly dont know if you would like it or not

*gets the power* (deej), Friday, 21 January 2011 01:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

Does anyone have a (preferably unmixed) copy of the Okayplayer/DJ Soul "Assorted Donuts" that used to be up for free download? U will be my friend 4 life

Pompoussin (admrl), Friday, 27 May 2011 16:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

I love jamming this in the morning

love, light, and walkabout-thinking (admrl), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 17:34 (six years ago) Permalink

Steppin' to the a.m.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VgOvNkqFe8

Andy K, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:45 (six years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

happy bday JD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek_cufWYvjE

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Best motherfucking ever.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 8 February 2019 00:12 (one week ago) Permalink

lol ethan padgett was such a shithead

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 8 February 2019 18:02 (one week ago) Permalink

nah, yung padgett was a god

the late great, Friday, 8 February 2019 19:12 (one week ago) Permalink


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