Game Theory / The Loud Family

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Because they don't have a thread yet. And to celebrate Scott Miller's return (or at least intended return) to making albums.

Adding even more listmaking non-substance to ILM, a tip of the hat to Mr. Miller's obtuse editing/arrangement techniques with my personal Top Ten Favorite Loud Family Moments:

1. The 'riding off into the sunset' ending of "Where They Walk Over Ste. Therese" (Interbabe Concern)

2. The siren collage which leads out of "He Do The Police..." into "Sword Swallower" (Plants and Birds)

3. The gorgeous reverberating vocal loop that opens "Last Honest Face" (Plants and Birds)

4. "I'm Not Really A Spring" - the section starting at 2:36 where the hyper-compression kicks in(Interbabe Concern)

5. "Survivalist. Survival. Servile. Vile." (Interbabe Concern)

6. Simultaneous best and worst moment: the ridiculously over-the-top guitar solo on "Rosy Overdrive" (Plants and Birds)

7. "Marcia and Etrusca"'s nearly danceable drone breakdown (Scott Miller does "Soon"?) (The Tape of Only Linda)

8. The section where the miniature acoustic ballad melts into the main riff of "I No Longer Fear The Headless" (Interbabe Concern)

9. The steamrolling drum lick which explodes into the choruses of "Nice When I Want Something" (Attractive Nuisance)

10. Anything where Paul Weineke doesn't sing.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Sunday, 5 February 2006 01:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

There's a new Loud Family album coming out very soon, apparently! I'm curious.

I definitely feel like the Loud Family are one of the most overlooked underrated bands of the 90s. So unfortunate, poor Scott Miller seems like things passed him by several times over.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 5 February 2006 01:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I loved "Make Any Vows" and "Erica's Word".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 5 February 2006 01:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I definitely feel like the Loud Family are one of the most overlooked underrated bands of the 90s. So unfortunate, poor Scott Miller seems like things passed him by several times over.

Apparently, Aimee Mann was so smitten with his songwriting that she intended to do an entire album of his songs in order to bring him greater recognition. Then her solo career reignited and she apparently abandoned the idea. I have a fun live recording of them doing "Inverness" together, though.

And the non-availability of the Game Theory catalogue is a crime. (Although this has been mentioned on ILM previously.)

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Sunday, 5 February 2006 02:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Ha, I almost started a thread on these bands the other day.

The last three Game Theory albums and Plants and Birds and Rocks and Things were (note past tense) solid classics to me, and I saw great shows by both bands. Sadly, upon revisiting the stuff last year after a long break, I was shocked to discover that I found Miller's singing voice and hypercleverness both just grating as hell. As of now my final verdict is uncertain, but I'm still interested enough to say:

Scott Miller's return (or at least intended return) to making albums

O RLY?

xero (xero), Sunday, 5 February 2006 02:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Interbabe Concern is the big classic as far as I'm concerned. Plants & Birds & Rocks & Things and Days For Days have a lot of really wonderful songs too. I'm not that crazy about any of the Game Theory stuff for whatever reason. It just never really worked for me.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 5 February 2006 02:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

At a long-ago record-store gig, I sold a copy of "Lolita Nation" to . . . Billy Gibbons.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 5 February 2006 02:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Days is the only album of theirs that I don't like, actually. Although I know that Tape of Only Linda is commonly thought of as their worst album, it really grew on me in one of those unexpected epiphanies a few years ago. Interbabe and Plants are both unqualified masterpieces in my opinion, and they're both examples of truly well-structured album sequencing. Up there next to Skylarking in that department.

The Game Theory stuff admittedly didn't date very well - it's on the wimpier end of the Paisley Underground stuff, and that's really saying something - but once he discovered the rock with the Louds, that's when his stuff really ignited for me. I'd still like to have all those old GT albums on CD, though.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Sunday, 5 February 2006 02:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And I'd like to apologize for using the word "stuff" about 1,000 times in this thread.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Sunday, 5 February 2006 02:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

2. The siren collage which leads out of "He Do The Police..." into "Sword Swallower" (Plants and Birds)

YES

Treat Me Like An Object (Pleasant Plains ///), Sunday, 5 February 2006 03:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not fond of the final Loud Family except for "720 Times Happier Than The Unjust Man." The live album is pretty good though - they do interesting covers of the Pixies' "Debaser," Eno's "Here Come The Warm Jets," and My Bloody Valentine's "When You Sleep."

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 5 February 2006 03:10 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

See, I LOVED Attractive Nuisance, or at least parts of it ("Years of Wrong Impressions" and "Motion of Ariel" are both wonderful). Scott MIller was supposed to have retired from music; glad he's reconsidered!

mike a, Sunday, 5 February 2006 03:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Game Theory stuff admittedly didn't date very well - it's on the wimpier end of the Paisley Underground stuff

Hm. I paid little to no attention to the Paisley Underground at the time and the phrase now causes me to wince. The main appeal to me of those last few Game Theory albums was that they were power pop of an unusually inventive, prog-rock-ish stripe. "Wimpy" doesn't quite describe their failure to impress me anew last year -- the words that came to mind were more like "stiff" and "baroque."

A few years ago I was given a CD of rough mixes and early versions of the songs on Lolita Nation. I still haven't listened to it, sad to say. I really ought to dig it out.

2. The siren collage which leads out of "He Do The Police..."

That is way cool.

xero (xero), Sunday, 5 February 2006 03:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

A few years ago I was given a CD of rough mixes and early versions of the songs on Lolita Nation. I still haven't listened to it, sad to say. I really ought to dig it out.

How old-fashioned am I that the first thing I thought of was paying you sickening amounts of money for this?

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Sunday, 5 February 2006 03:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'll YSI a zip file tomorrow.

xero (xero), Sunday, 5 February 2006 03:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

See, I LOVED Attractive Nuisance, or at least parts of it ("Years of Wrong Impressions" and "Motion of Ariel" are both wonderful).

I agree. It's probably the most basic-sounding record they ever made - no crazy segues or particularly outlandish production tricks - but the songs are solid and well-performed. And I thought "Motion of Ariel" was a fine way to end a career, if that's how it was to have been. The only misstep was "Controlled Burn", which is historically one of Scott's least-compelling studio experiments.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Sunday, 5 February 2006 03:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the non-availability of the Game Theory catalogue is a crime. (Although this has been mentioned on ILM previously.)

Indeed! (This is one of my mantras 'round here...)

Here's an old page from the Little Hits blog, the Game Theory and Loud Family links still work (as of last month, anyway). Some interesting (although generally pessimistic) trivia and speculation regarding the prospect of Game Theory reissues.

http://www.littlehits.com/2005/10/songs-of-day-october-11-12-2005.html

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Sunday, 5 February 2006 04:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Interbabe Concern is an amazing amazing album, but Loud Family / Game Theory stuff is near impossible to get a hold of in Australia so I only have that and Days For Days. The arrangements/production/lyrics/melodies on Interbabe Concern esp. are so intricate and unusual and crazy-brilliant, it's a really good example of indie-rock being v. ambitious in a totally non-hamfisted manner.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 5 February 2006 04:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Soundwise I suppose it sounds dated and somewhat dinky, but I've been very surprised at the extent to which Game Theory, esp. the early stuff has held up...I think the Tinker to Evers comp. finally changed my opinion after years of indifference.

On the subject of reissues, I'd love to see a CD of the ALRN album as well, which turned out to be much better than I would have expected.

dlp9001, Sunday, 5 February 2006 04:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Interbabe Concern is an amazing amazing album, but Loud Family / Game Theory stuff is near impossible to get a hold of in Australia so I only have that and Days For Days.

If you're a member of *cough*, I just posted five of their albums in one file...

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Sunday, 5 February 2006 05:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

My Favorite songwriter EVER. Was happy when he stopped doing outright love songs and stepped into his oddball social commentary phase. I, too, would pay sick $ for those demos & outtakes.

matt riedl (veal), Sunday, 5 February 2006 07:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Lolita Nation is definitely some kind of masterpiece; I just could never let myself become a Miller devotee. I'm sure that Loud Family stuff is really good. I will probably end up investigating it someday.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 5 February 2006 09:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It DOES sound dinky, he had a penchant for allowing the worst-ever keyboards and electronic drum sounds on his songs, and still evidences it now and again. It doesn't ruin things but it occasionally distracts.

matt riedl (veal), Sunday, 5 February 2006 17:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I don't see this on this thread, maybe I missed it though. It's Loud Family's website, quite huge and entertaining.

http://www.loudfamily.com/

matt riedl (veal), Sunday, 5 February 2006 17:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

POX Scott Miller!

Don't Respond, She Can Tell
Sodium Laureth Sulfate
Businessmen Are Okay
Inverness
Rosy Overdrive
720 Times Happier Than The Unjust Man
North San Bruno Dishonor Trip
Such Little Nonbelievers
The Second Grade Applauds
Deee-pression

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 5 February 2006 19:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That's a POX Loud Family list, Matthew. So's this:

Don't Respond, She Can Tell
Inverness
Slit My Wrists
Deee-pression
Blackness, Blackness
The Softest Tip of Her Baby Tongue
Save Your Money
Idiot Son
Even You
Backwards Century

w/ the scream from "I No Longer Fear The Headless" as a bonus.

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 5 February 2006 20:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well, yeah, but I wanted to open it up so that people could feel free to include Game Theory songs.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 5 February 2006 20:13 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

GT deserves their own POX, dambit.

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 5 February 2006 22:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i loved the loud family for about a year then went off them. not sure why. I should relisten

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

In the spirit of fan-to-fan sharing:

Game Theory - Lolita Nation (rough)
hxxp://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1E8FFFKULKIGT0ROWZWB5XVJT1

Game Theory - The Big Shot Chronicles (rough)
hxxp://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1GEYL2UP1YRYI37E6VUMVHJ4JE

(copy & paste URLs into browser address window, replacing "xx" with "tt")

These are large WinZip files consisting of early full-band takes ("demo" tags notwithstanding) of the songs from each album, plus a few tracks that didn't make the cut(s).

I would never sell these or try to make money from them in any way, and I hope no one else does either. Respect to S. Miller.

The Tooth Fairy™, Monday, 6 February 2006 01:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Somehow I think that if Scott hadn't managed to make money from the actual versions, these wouldn't help the cause... but thank you so much for sharing.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Monday, 6 February 2006 02:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

POX:

Green Card
Friend Of The Family
Make Any Vows
Together Now, Very Minor
Slit My Wrists
It Just Wouldn't Be Christmas
Sodium Laureth Sulfate
Asleep And Awake On The Man's Freeway
Where They Go Back To School But Get Depressed
Good, There Are No Lions In The Street

Dear Tooth Fairy: I am enough of a dork that discovering alternate lyrics existed to "Here It Is Tomorrow" has already made my entire day. Thanks.

JJRJ (jjrj), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

xpost: Ha, yeah, I was going to say, if people can exercise restraint in the face of the UNTOLD WEALTH to be made off the byproducts of Scott Miller's work in the 80s ... enjoy!

The Tooth Fairy™, Monday, 6 February 2006 03:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dear tooth fairy, this is a big step up from the quarters you used to give me for my actual teeth! I knew of the existence of these recordings but sort of figured I'd never actually get to hear them...

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dear Tooth Fairy,

The links you so generously provided to the Game Theory demos are "blocked". Any chance of a repost? [I'll knock a few of my teeth out if it'll help!]

West Anthony, Monday, 6 February 2006 19:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The Tooth Fairy™ did not remove the files. This could well be a bandwidth issue -- as noted above, they're big files, and took ages to load -- but The Tooth Fairy™, who belatedly imagines Scott Miller not much caring for the unauthorized distribution of his unpolished work even without a profit motive, regretfully declines to repost. That said, perhaps one of the other folks here will help West Anthony.

The Tooth Fairy™, Monday, 6 February 2006 21:18 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

scott miller & kenny kessel - paranoid

dan (dan), Monday, 6 February 2006 21:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the loud family - we're for the dark

dan (dan), Monday, 6 February 2006 21:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Aw, come ON!! I'm DYIN' here!

matt riedl (veal), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 03:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

matt, check yr email

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 05:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Unless I missed it upthread, no one's linked the new Loud Family mp3 yet (featuring my favorite unknown, Anton Barbeau): http://www.125records.com/audio/RocksOff.mp3

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 05:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yes, it's that "Rocks Off."

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 05:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
I just woke up from a totally insane, baroquely detailed dream in which I was inducted into, and ultimately ejected from, the household of one S. Miller, who was living a sultan / cult-leader / Turner (as in Performance)-esque existence in a multi-story Victorian dwelling, presumably in San Francisco, staffed on a volunteer basis by many willing drones. We were supposed to work on his back taxes -- think Bleak House -- and participate in group psychodramas a la the Manson family. Scott himself was reclusive, with a wife who looked an awful lot like Hope Sandoval, and an infant daughter; his wardrobe appeared to consist of black satin robes, his activities largely limited to doing bong hits and composing new music, and he regularly led the followers in song. When they kicked me out for not being able to sing well enough, there was a knot of wannabes outside starving for word of goings-on.

xero (xero), Thursday, 23 February 2006 00:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

was "Beach State Rocking" pre-Game Theory? Great song.

Aaron A, Thursday, 23 February 2006 01:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it was by Alternate Learning, Miller's pre-Game Theory band, per the Tinker to Evers to Chance liner notes.

Still not really feeling GT/LF like I did in the 80s and early 90s, but anyone who can call his own songs "young adult hurt-feeling-athons" (or "Y.A.H.F.A."'s for short) is OK by me.

xero (xero), Thursday, 23 February 2006 01:23 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

If I could do the 80s poll all over again (and it's looking like we all will from the delay) I would nominate Erica's Word and rank it very high on my singles list.

Cunga (Cunga), Thursday, 23 February 2006 05:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

The steamrolling drum lick which explodes into the choruses of "Nice When I Want Something"!!!!!!

David R., Friday, 17 October 2008 20:43 (ten years ago) Permalink

i certainly used to know people who were massive addicts and I myself owned the majority of game theory and loud family albums at the time when I felt like I needed to own everything, but these days the only ones I really care about are Plants.... and Interbabe, both of which I think are exemplary and catchy, to the point where, I haven't actually listened to Interbabe in years, but the songs are in my head all the time.

akm, Friday, 17 October 2008 23:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

The brilliant use of assonance in "Sodium Laureth Sulfate"! "Wave equation, beta radiation beam" is like a damn wave with the long a's in every other syllable.

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Saturday, 18 October 2008 00:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

Have you guys seen Scott's weekly "Music- What Happened?" series on 125 Records' Loud Family website?

from at http://www.125records.com/loudfamily/index.html

> ...a new feature as a one-year replacement for Ask Scott: you pick a year
> from the fifty-year span of 1957 to 2006, Scott selects and describes
> recordings from that year that would constitute his time-capsule CD.
> One per week in the order requested. Request a year by writing to
> scottmiller (at) 125records.com!

They also just recently posted an mp3 of Scott's cover of Chris Stamey's "Cara Lee" as a free download.

Wub-Fur Internet Radio, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 02:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

Do you mean "Where they Go Back to School but Still Get Depressed?" It's mostly Scott, a guitar and some ominous background noise. Not early, though; it's from Loud Family's Interbabe Concern.

You know something? He *did* say "well, yeah" a lot. (cryptosicko), Sunday, 3 August 2014 13:15 (four years ago) Permalink

Wonder what led them to present the Alternate Learning material this way—it really could have stood on its own.... Though after so many years of its seeming impossible to have any reissues at all, maybe it's churlish to quibble?

1. SOMETHING TO SHOW
2. TIN SCARECROW
3. WHITE BLUES
4. DATE WITH AN ANGEL
5. MARY MAGDALENE
6. THE YOUNG DRUG
7. BAD YEAR AT UCLA
8. ALL I WANT IS EVERYTHING
9. STUPID HEART
10. SLEEPING THROUGH HEAVEN
11. IT GIVES ME CHILLS
12. THE GIRLS ARE READY TO GO

Bonus Tracks:
13. ANOTHER WASTED AFTERNOON – Alternate Learning
14. WHAT’S THE MATTER – Alternate Learning
15. SCOTT MILLER TESTING LABORATORIES: RECORD TEST #1 – Scott Miller and Jozef Becker
16. IN THE STILL OF THE NIGHT – Scott Miller
17. BAD YEAR AT UCLA (Reprise)
18. SHE’S A WOMAN OF THE WORLD – Scott Miller
19. SCOTT MILLER TESTING LABORATORIES: RECORD TEST #2 – Scott Miller and Jozef Becker
20. BEACH STATE ROCKING – Alternate Learning
21. ALIENS IN OUR MIDST
22. UNTITLED PIANO PIECE – Scott Miller
23. THE NEW YOU – Alternate Learning
24. SCOTT MILLER TESTING LABORATORIES: RECORD TEST #3 – Scott Miller and Jozef Becker
25. BAD YEAR AT UCLA (Live)
26. SCOTT MILLER TESTING LABORATORIES: RECORD TEST #4 – Scott Miller and Jozef Becker
27. MARY MAGDALENE (Live)

Michael Train, Sunday, 3 August 2014 21:14 (four years ago) Permalink

So furious with myself that when I did a big CD cull a couple of years ago I got rid of ALL the Game Theory albums.

Unsettled defender (ithappens), Monday, 4 August 2014 09:11 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
one month passes...

There's a Kickstarter going to help complete/fund the new Game Theory record that Scott was working on at the time of his death. I'll be giving what I can.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bjwest/supercalifragile-by-scott-millers-game-theory

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Friday, 6 May 2016 16:05 (two years ago) Permalink

Just got this notice:

Thanks to an extremely generous backer, we are now at 110% funding! There's no longer any question of this album being made. We still have more than a month before the clock runs out though, so there's still plenty of time for people to get in on pre-roders! Keep spreading the word!

To thank everyone for their amazing support, here's a sneak peak of the album, a video shot during the recording session at Abbey Road. Please enjoy "I Still Dream of Getting Back to Paris."
https://vimeo.com/166671786

Do keep in mind that this is a preliminary mix, the version on the album will be different after Mitch Easter works his magic on it!

Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 15 May 2016 15:40 (two years ago) Permalink

not really a fan of anton barbeau but otherwise that's pretty great

akm, Sunday, 15 May 2016 15:53 (two years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

I was at Austin Psych Fest 2013 and Rain Parade was the last band playing that night. Afterward I got talking with their drummer, super nice guy named Gil. "Hey, what other bands have you played in?" "Game Theory"

*uncomfortable sound effects*

Scott Miller had just taken his own life just the week before and Gil said that playing with RP was just barely keeping his mind off things. We ended up talking for a bit - death, getting older, surviving, etc. Late night bar existentialism. Never said a thing about cancer. RIP

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 26 January 2017 10:06 (two years ago) Permalink

Wait, Gil Ray died? :O

Drugs A. Money, Thursday, 26 January 2017 11:47 (two years ago) Permalink

Posted on http://www.loudfamily.com

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 26 January 2017 13:08 (two years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

Duet with Aimee Mann from upcoming posthumous album:

http://read.tidal.com/article/listen-to-game-theorys-first-song-in-20-years-featuring-aimee-man

And yeah, I choked up a bit hearing Scott's voice for the first time on a new track since his passing.

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Monday, 21 August 2017 14:35 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

anyone heard the record? it's pretty wonderful so far

https://gametheory1.bandcamp.com/releases

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 28 September 2017 16:32 (one year ago) Permalink

heart breaking. also yes, Gil died a few months ago.

akm, Thursday, 28 September 2017 23:53 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Complete show! (thirty years ago yesterday)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gjRk8ZRmXQ

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 19:39 (four months ago) Permalink

Was it a double bill with Blake Babies?

Buckaroo Can't Fail (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 November 2018 02:36 (four months ago) Permalink

Seems like he posted a bunch of videos with that same date on them.

Buckaroo Can't Fail (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 November 2018 02:38 (four months ago) Permalink

Noticing some similarity in the singing to Alex Chilton right now

Buckaroo Can't Fail (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 November 2018 02:45 (four months ago) Permalink

D'oh!
/JackieHarvey

Buckaroo Can't Fail (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 November 2018 02:46 (four months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

listening to Lolita Nation I'm struck with the thought that these guys were far too smart for their own good

they also sound at least 5 years ahead of their time

i approve

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:02 (one week ago) Permalink

Check out the first Loud Family album, Plants and Birds and Rocks and Things. It's even better.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:11 (one week ago) Permalink

will do at some point, need to get my head around this first!

'chardonnay' is a joy. there's an 8-minute version that didn't make the album? pity

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:45 (one week ago) Permalink

The longer “Chardonnay” is on the LN reissue that came out a few years back.

I nom’d a couple of LN tracks (along with one from the first Loud Family album) in the sub-2 min songs poll, so if you’re inclined to vote...

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:54 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah your nominations are how i found out about them!

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:04 (one week ago) Permalink

i'll def vote for at least one of them

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:07 (one week ago) Permalink

Yay!

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:13 (one week ago) Permalink

Plants and Birds is my favorite of all of these albums. Just top notch.

akm, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:42 (one week ago) Permalink

Interbabe Concern is my favorite, you might get some mileage out of that too, imago

space rock gapdyx = SADPOE (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 19:45 (one week ago) Permalink

Seconding the Interbabe Concern recommendation, that’s my favorite too

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:05 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah that one is also very good

akm, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 20:09 (one week ago) Permalink

this guy is some sort of holy grail huh

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 16:08 (one week ago) Permalink

Plants And Birds is also amazing!

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 18:55 (one week ago) Permalink

Why did none of you TELL me about Scott Miller?? Wow

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 18:58 (one week ago) Permalink

i dunno this thread has been here for a long time. but he was certainly not as lauded as he should have been while alive.

akm, Wednesday, 13 March 2019 19:05 (one week ago) Permalink

I No Longer Fear The Headless is the most glorious thing in the world

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 20:53 (one week ago) Permalink

time for some game theory

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 13 March 2019 21:00 (one week ago) Permalink

cover of "roadrunner" on the lolita nation reissue is a lot of fun, there's definitely a lot of what made the modern lovers a great band in game theory

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Thursday, 14 March 2019 08:10 (one week ago) Permalink

lol shush

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Thursday, 14 March 2019 08:17 (one week ago) Permalink

Game Theory took a while to grow on me but I like them a lot - I've never quite got into Loud Family but I think that might be changing, Plants and Birds... finally clicked with me after another listen last night.

I really enjoyed reading Miller's Music: What Happened? even though I disagreed with a lot of his positions on things.

Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 14 March 2019 09:51 (one week ago) Permalink

Days for Days is classic. Does anyone know why it's not streaming? I thought Alias was the hold up, but the rest of the catalog is on Spotify.

john. a resident of evanston. (john. a resident of chicago.), Thursday, 14 March 2019 15:22 (one week ago) Permalink

I've got to find that one

Interbabe Concern is...astonishing, at this point rapidly climbing various all-time lists of mine. just stuck in my head constantly now

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Friday, 15 March 2019 22:59 (one week ago) Permalink

I bought DFD on iTunes haha

In about a week, LF has become one of my favourite bands. It's ALL amazing

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 18:25 (six days ago) Permalink

Yeah, I picked up the LF discography one at a time, but it was all in the span of a month or two, mostly via Amazon. This was around 2001, and when DFD was next on my list to buy, I just happened to find it used for like $2 at a Wherehouse Music in a mall in suburban Florida, which I still have a hard time believing.

I got all the LF stuff before I even checked out Game Theory. I love it all now, but still generally prefer the LF albums. And Interbabe is one of my favorite albums by anyone.

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 19:41 (six days ago) Permalink

Lolita Nation was the first I heard (all of eight or nine days ago haha) and was obviously great, but LF is a step up and away into something much more rarefied (and weirdly uncommercial considering how every track bangs)

Finding out about Scott Miller has been like stumbling across a not so ancient tablet that contains instructions for as many awesome hooks as the rest of the pop/rock canon previously contained

Interbabe Concern is definitely the best one imo too, and therefore one of the best albums I've...ever heard? but the other albums are amazing, I've not been able to get Attractive Nuisance or Days For Days out of my head today. And it's all so clever and surprising - he'll do something like have Soul DC have an unassuming and maybe slightly overlong intro, only to slam into an unbelievable pop anthem without breaking stride. It's heavenly

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 19:54 (six days ago) Permalink

I've never ventured beyond 'Lolita Nation' - which is brilliant - but you're making a pretty strong case that I should dive into Loud Family.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 20:00 (six days ago) Permalink

proceed, and keep us posted :)

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 20:02 (six days ago) Permalink

Will do!

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 20:03 (six days ago) Permalink

interbabe was my first and remains my favourite (inspired to check it out back in oh 1997 by Glenn Mcdonald’s review on TWAS), subject to never having been able to find plants and birds.

I think one of the things i love about scott’s work is that it doesn’t sound nearly as “smart” as you’d expect from reading about it.

By way of example, those long twisting rhyming couplets on “Screwed Over By Stylish Introverts” don’t ever sound laboured, it’s more like he just happens to think in metered rhyme.

Tim F, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 20:48 (six days ago) Permalink

Attractive Nuisance is almost as great as Interbabe. The run of tracks from...3 to 10? is peerless, amazing. Plus Blackness, Blackness sounds like he heard Smashing Pumpkins and decided he'd show these bozos how to do their own music, in the nicest possible way

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Thursday, 21 March 2019 22:04 (four days ago) Permalink

Days For Days has some legit jams. Great production too.

brimstead, Friday, 22 March 2019 01:37 (three days ago) Permalink

Lolita Nation seems to be the critical favourite but Dead Center is my favourite Game Theory album

Colonel Poo, Friday, 22 March 2019 14:48 (three days ago) Permalink


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