C or D: Emitt Rhodes?

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I've been listening to his first album for the past few days. Should I get his second? Is it as good as this one? I'm tempted to say Dud just because I want to play devils advocate, because I don't find very much strkingly original in his music. But it's very well done, the production is smart, he's got a nice voice, and the songs are pretty goddamn catchy. So it's not a dud, then, so it's gotta be classic.

But.. how about other stuff? I'm not a very big Merry Go Round fan, and like I said, I haven't heard the second album.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link

all tht mediocre stuff is very du jour...so hop on now

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link

wierd..i just picked up his second album (mirror) the other day used on vinyl...it's pretty cool...his rockers are pretty hokey and don't rock, but all the depressing pretty songs are great...very mccartney solo type vibe on the one i've got...it's pretty good i think.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 00:16 (fourteen years ago) link

hop on now?

I've been aboard for years and prefer "Mirror" over the first. If you can find it, I say buy it.

kwhitehead (stephen schmidt), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Total classic. I like the "The American Dream" best which has "Mother Earth" and "Mary will you take my hand?" which are two of my favorite songs by him. He gets knocked for sounding like McCartney. It's an obvious comparison and not so far off the mark but I'll take his stuff over Wings any day of the weak.

Does anyone know what ever happened to him? I think he's still alive and after a 4th album whose name escapes he pretty much disappeared from music. And considering he was a teenager when he started that must've put him in his early 20's at that point.

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:45 (fourteen years ago) link

I got Listen Listen, a Merry Go Round compilation, recently, and I really like it. His first album is good. I mean the self-titled one. I think it's his first.

youn, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I love love LOVE his debut (and Merry Go Round is great, too) -- I'm less hot on the followups. I read a feature in Big Takeover (yeah, sorry) sometime back on him -- I gather he's battled depression for several years to the detriment of his career.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 03:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Classic all the way although the quality of the records did fall away as time went on, the s/t record is the best and Mirror/Farewell To Paradise less so. He had signed a deal where he had to deliver 2 records a year I think but because he was recording everything himself this was physically and mentally impossible which eventually led to him stopping releasing records and having some sort of a breakdown I think. Couldn't take the pressure that was put on him. Since then he has produced other people and continued to write songs and there have been on off rumours for a long time that he was going to release a record but due to bad luck or whatever it never makes it out. I read a

I have heard that Rhino Handmade or Hip-o-Select are working on a box of all his stuff which I'm looking forward to.

Finally, just found this interview from 1997 which might be of interest

http://www.buhdge.com/audio%20buhdge/rhodes_audio.htm

mms (mms), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Wow, a box would be great. As for how he'd be today, all I know is that the one song from 1980 on the Listen, Listen comp has the worst treacly sax imaginable...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

kind of surprised there wasn't a thread on him already.

i'd like him better if his name was "emit," as in emit death rays from my intergalactic fender rhodes.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Just found this after finally getting as copy of his first record; it's one of the saddest things I've read in a while

http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=583&IssueNum=33

sonofstan, Sunday, 16 September 2007 20:06 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

there is a comp out now on Hip-O select which combines all three of the solo albums and some other things (although not everything) that apparently sounds amazing. I really love his first album.

akm, Thursday, 28 May 2009 04:36 (eleven years ago) link

kewl!

That's a good article ^up there too.

wilter, Thursday, 28 May 2009 05:23 (eleven years ago) link

'you take the dark out of the night' = amazing song

iatee, Thursday, 28 May 2009 05:32 (eleven years ago) link

eight months pass...

Sad and kind of o_O interview on WFMU that aired today.

François de Roobabe (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 13 February 2010 20:05 (ten years ago) link

i once had a long confused (maybe drunken) conversation with a friend where I said "this guy sounds more like mccartney than mccartney!" and my friend said "you think he sounds like mccartney? i don't hear that at all!" and we went back and forth for a long time. but it turned out i had been saying emmitt miller, the old minstrel "lovesick blues" guy and had completely confused my friend. true story!

tylerw, Saturday, 13 February 2010 20:08 (ten years ago) link

anyway, been meaning to get that hip-o comp -- worth it? i've only heard the s/t.

tylerw, Saturday, 13 February 2010 20:09 (ten years ago) link

i like that story. reminds me of the time when i was drunk and i kept saying something like: "i hate george clinton! why does everyone love george clinton so much! i don't trust him!" and my friends looked at me weird cuz i meant to say bill clinton.

scott seward, Saturday, 13 February 2010 20:12 (ten years ago) link

I can only imagine what a mindf**k of a record McCartney and Rhodes would've made together if they had joined forces back in the day.

François de Roobabe (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 13 February 2010 20:13 (ten years ago) link

but it turned out i had been saying emmitt miller, the old minstrel "lovesick blues" guy and had completely confused my friend. true story!

haha!

lukevalentine, Saturday, 13 February 2010 21:19 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ZIjbRj8xs

lukevalentine, Saturday, 13 February 2010 21:20 (ten years ago) link

anyway, Emmit Rhodes s/t is absolute classic, it includes "Somebody Made For Me" one of my all time favorite pop songs

I like This American Dream as well

lukevalentine, Saturday, 13 February 2010 21:23 (ten years ago) link

what's interesting about that FMU interview? i can't listen to it right now. worth it?

by another name (amateurist), Sunday, 14 February 2010 00:12 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Maybe that should have its own thread.

Cut Creator Has A Master Plan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 5 June 2011 14:32 (nine years ago) link

Been listening to the Hip-O-Select. The American Dream drags a little but the s/t is great and don't notice too much of a dropoff in quality in the other two.

James & Bobby Quantify (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 14:52 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

anyone ever see this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLL8CsVeOiE

buzza, Sunday, 27 January 2013 22:46 (seven years ago) link

No!

Leopard Skin POLL-Box Hat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 28 January 2013 01:37 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...
three years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL4Tcw77LNo

velko, Sunday, 1 July 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

dope

billstevejim, Sunday, 1 July 2018 02:33 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

I'd wondered for eons why this guy disappeared after 1973, and just read that his ABC contract demanded 6 albums over the span of 3 years and he couldn't keep up. They sued him and he started working behind the scenes instead. Imagine chasing a guy this talented away from a recording career because he worked slowly. jfc!

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 26 January 2020 10:37 (six months ago) link

five months pass...

RIP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emitt_Rhodes

Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Sunday, 19 July 2020 21:03 (three weeks ago) link

RIP Emitt.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 July 2020 21:38 (three weeks ago) link

I'd wondered for eons why this guy disappeared after 1973, and just read that his ABC contract demanded 6 albums over the span of 3 years and he couldn't keep up. They sued him and he started working behind the scenes instead. Imagine chasing a guy this talented away from a recording career because he worked slowly. jfc!

True but then I wonder why he didn't reduce his workload by just getting Leland Sklar and Waddy Wachtel and whoever to play on his records instead of trying to do everything himself - he'd even taken up the saxophone on his final (70s) album!

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 July 2020 23:42 (three weeks ago) link

He was really into doing stuff by himself. I actually was just looking at my vinyl Farewell To Paradise (his last album for ABC/Dunhill), and his liner notes are very defensive about controlling all aspects of his music as an artist.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 19 July 2020 23:54 (three weeks ago) link

I've always been amazed he never found work as a professional songwriter, but I guess he was a little too early for that to be a viable career path.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 19 July 2020 23:56 (three weeks ago) link

Farewell To Paradise liner notes (for context, I believe he already been sued by ABC/Dunhill for breach of contract before recording the album)

If gold is valuable because it is scarce, then sincerity must even be more valuable because there is so precious little of it. I'm seldom attracted to liner notes. I've only taken the time to read just a few...those I have, in so many words, praised whomever for his or her musical genius. I find it difficult to do the same.

If I possess a talent, it surely must be patience. Someone said something about the world stepping aside when a man knew what he wanted. I've known for some time and the world hasn't yet made it any easier for me. Those things I cherish most I worked long and paid dearly for. I am a recording artist not just a songwriter or musician. I have taken total responsibility of my art. Avoiding the temptation of using others to conceal my weaknesses. My works are sincere and entirety my own.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 20 July 2020 00:22 (two weeks ago) link

Re-Upping broken Youtubes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgmioAfzhXE

The Merry-Go-Round on Hollywood Palace w/Don Knotts

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 20 July 2020 03:12 (two weeks ago) link

Cool! Have The Bangles weighed in yet?

Left Eye Frizzell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 July 2020 03:16 (two weeks ago) link

Susanna tweeted, but she's the only one I follow. Dunno about the others.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 20 July 2020 03:21 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLYUJbvBFU4

"Birthday Lady" promo film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypoMlWQ9xwU

"Really Wanted You" promo film.

I remember seeing a clip of him on the Whistle Test, but it's not up atm.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 20 July 2020 03:22 (two weeks ago) link

There's also a Palace Guard clip up ("Falling Sugar") but I don't think Rhodes is in it. The guy miming drums doesn't look like him.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 20 July 2020 03:40 (two weeks ago) link

That Brooklyn Vegan notice has some good stuff but too many popups. They do have vimeo embeds though, so there's that. Anyway here is a link to the doc, The One Man Beatles. https://vimeo.com/266426996

Left Eye Frizzell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 July 2020 03:42 (two weeks ago) link

This is probably his last interview: https://mediumfidelitymusic.wordpress.com/2020/07/19/example-post-3

Left Eye Frizzell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 July 2020 04:07 (two weeks ago) link

Flatmate who confirmed his passing is in the vimeo.

Left Eye Frizzell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 July 2020 04:13 (two weeks ago) link

anyone ever see this?

― buzza, Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:46 PM

No!

― Leopard Skin POLL-Box Hat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, January 27, 2013

will finally watch this!

buzza, Monday, 20 July 2020 04:24 (two weeks ago) link

It's kind of bittersweet and sad and depressing- surprise! - but well-done and affectionate. Now is a perfect time to watch.

Left Eye Frizzell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 July 2020 04:38 (two weeks ago) link

A few of the singles off the last album, none of which I have listened to yet, are credited to Emitt Rhodes, Richard Thompson and The Bangles. Not 100% sure what this means.

Left Eye Frizzell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 July 2020 04:45 (two weeks ago) link

Those Emerals picks coming fast and furious. Also somebody let it slip that Emitt's fiancée owns that page, apparently.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 July 2020 17:25 (one week ago) link

xp does Dada(ismus) still post here, under a different name maybe ?

budo jeru, Thursday, 30 July 2020 17:33 (one week ago) link

Pics. Pictures, not guitar picks, although who knows, maybe not just yet

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 July 2020 17:36 (one week ago) link

Dada(ismus) posted on this very thread the other day. Tom D.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 July 2020 17:36 (one week ago) link

oh wow. that explains so much. love dada / tom's posts

budo jeru, Thursday, 30 July 2020 17:37 (one week ago) link

Re. his lyrics, I agree – one of my favorite tunes of his has always been “Live Til You Die,” but it was only this week that I really listened to the lyrics, poss. with an eye toward his innate unhappiness. In retrospect they feel a bit like him shouting into the abyss:

Wish NTI would come back and type in the lyrics to "Ever Find Yourself Running," which are hitting me right now.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 July 2020 19:29 (one week ago) link

It's not typing! Google is my co-pilot:

Ever find yourself running, running, running away
Ever find yourself hiding from the things that you feel
Ever hear yourself crying, crying, crying to someone
Won't you look down from Heaven, won't you prove you are real?
Ever lose yourself searching, searching, searching in darkness
With your questions unanswered, never knowing the truth
Ever feel yourself dying, dying, dying a slow death
Heavy laden with burdens that are stealing your youth
Ever find yourself running, running, running away
Ever find yourself hiding from the things that you feel
Ever find yourself running?

And I would agree ... one of the things I love about his lyrics is that they convey really heavy emotions and thoughts with an economy of vocabulary. So when you come across a couplet like "Heavy laden with burdens that are stealing your youth" you almost catch yourself to make sure you heard it right.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 30 July 2020 21:30 (one week ago) link

Yes indeed.

Wonder which Beatles song(s) he actually sang with The Palace Guard. You see or hear "Michelle," "Yesterday," "Norwegian Wood" and "We Can Work It Out." The last one seems to have be mentioned that enough I'm inclined to believe it.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:01 (one week ago) link

If you don't like Bim, budo jeru, then you probably won't like this version of "Ever Find Yourself Running," by - wait for it - Marriage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxorx0OLnzU

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:30 (one week ago) link

That was great. Thanks for sharing!

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 31 July 2020 03:37 (one week ago) link

Yeah, that was really an A+ version of the classic Emitt encounter we've come to expect.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 31 July 2020 04:05 (one week ago) link

I finally learned that The Merry-Go-Round had a couple of bass players, that Rick Dey replaced Bill Rinehart. I guess I think I knew Joel Larson came and went and there was another drummer at one point, couldn't tell you his name though.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 31 July 2020 04:15 (one week ago) link

xxpost Great piece! Thanks for sharing it.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 31 July 2020 08:40 (one week ago) link

Haven’t giving you anything in almost twenty-four hours so here is this little tidbit I have been saving

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 August 2020 02:17 (one week ago) link

I was afraid of that, didn’t quite work on the phone. Hang on a sec, please.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 August 2020 02:18 (one week ago) link

Guys, come on over to my new thread

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 August 2020 22:36 (one week ago) link

Take us to lunch first.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 1 August 2020 23:25 (one week ago) link

Ha!

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 August 2020 23:34 (one week ago) link

There is a Mexican restaurant up the block that makes a good iced margarita with a nice view of the Empire State Building from the sidewalk seating that I think you will like.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 August 2020 23:39 (one week ago) link

Feel like maybe NTI should give the last album another chance or two. Despite the deepening of the voice, the divorce discussion and the different production, underneath it all there is still his strong melodic sense.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:16 (one week ago) link

In my mind “Isn’t It So” is getting mixed up with “Nobody Knows” by the Raspberries. Come to think of it, why isn’t Tim Ellison on this thread?

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 August 2020 02:18 (one week ago) link

I’ll def. give it another chance – I hadn’t realized this but the supporting cast alone is insane (Hoffs, most of Jellyfish, Aimee Mann – according to a review I saw).

Isn’t It So finally clicked with me a week or so ago – the version I have on the Listen, Listen comp (recorded in 1980) has some questionable sax but a great chorus, and kind of suggests an alternate career as an MOR hitmaker. But the version on Rainbow Ends is nice as well, the strings give it a sadder, more elegiac feel.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 2 August 2020 03:36 (one week ago) link

Yes, those folks are all on there, although sometimes hard to pick them out of thie mix.

This version, I assume.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhn_uXhtOn0
Yes, I can see how the sax would be pretty off-putting.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 August 2020 03:43 (one week ago) link

But the vocal is excellent.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 August 2020 03:46 (one week ago) link

Some more stuff from that same period, apparently. Seems to be for some Elektra project, maybe. These really don't sit well with me although the second never reappeared in any other form as far as I know so may be worth giving a try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG97BYSQ0JQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWIriVsDRXg

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 August 2020 23:24 (one week ago) link

Or this. Think this stuff has already been mentioned upthread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPxbMaXOdoY

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 August 2020 23:26 (one week ago) link

This seems an improvement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzs7Crv_3bM

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 August 2020 23:27 (one week ago) link

Done a decade or two later.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 August 2020 23:33 (one week ago) link

Oh wow I’m loving the “all synths” Emitt Rhodes. Really cool.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 3 August 2020 06:13 (six days ago) link

Radio Moskow interview from Thanksgiving 2011. Interview starts about minute 70, music a few minutes before, maybe minute 67. https://echo.msk.ru/sounds/833165.html

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 12:28 (five days ago) link

Lasts about ten minutes. He's in good spirits.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 12:40 (five days ago) link

Some serious ping-pong stereo on The Merry-Go-Round album, thought my earphones were broken for a moment.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 13:31 (five days ago) link

As I converge upon the heat death of this thread, remarking that the versions of “You’re A Very Lovely Woman” on The Merry-Go-Round and on the, um zeroth solo album are exactly the same but one is maybe thirty seconds longer.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 15:17 (five days ago) link

Some more stuff from that same period, apparently. Seems to be for some Elektra project, maybe. These really don't sit well with me although the second never reappeared in any other form as far as I know so may be worth giving a try.
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I haven’t listened to these yet and I may be mixing things up with another story but my memory was that Emitt recorded three songs for an album in 1980 bc an A&R guy is an executive signed and loved him and when the guy got canned the album got shelved.

Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 06:24 (four days ago) link

I read something similar. I even heard that two of the three songs were "Isn't It So" and "More Than A Smile Will Do."

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 11:59 (four days ago) link

Finally listened to these. The "all synths" Emitt Rhodes is really more like Steely Emitt -- jazzy chords and melodies and heavy, er, Rhodes. "Isn't It So" is probably the best of the lot.

Here's a recent-ish interview that isn't online but the preview is: https://tapeop.com/interviews/33/emitt-rhodes/. Might be pretty interesting.

I'm finally putting on Farewell to Paradise ... will report back but I like some of the Mellotron stuff in the first few tracks.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 6 August 2020 20:16 (three days ago) link

You have to subscribe to Tape Op to get the rest of that interview (and to find out where they ate).

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 6 August 2020 20:22 (three days ago) link

Speaking of "Steely Emitt", Gary Kato mentioned in the liners to the Merry Go Round comp that in the late '80s his band Bullet backed Rhodes on some "Steely Dan-quality" demos of new compositions.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 6 August 2020 20:26 (three days ago) link

Can't believe this only emerged within the last several hours. Jackie De Shannon singing "Live Till You DIe" - recorded at American Studios! Yet another dot to connect in my Arthur Alexander, um, "Theory."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMPUQECIiIM

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:16 (two days ago) link

Guess this stuff lay in the vaults until two years ago, Damn you, Emitt!
https://jazzchill.blogspot.com/2018/04/jackie-deshannon-stone-cold-soulthe.html

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:26 (two days ago) link

That cover came out as a bonus on the RPM reissue of Jackie’s “Songs” fifteen years ago or so, for what it’s worth.

Tim, Friday, 7 August 2020 17:53 (two days ago) link

Thanks. Saw that a couple of, um, songs, from that session made it onto Songs, maybe they were even re-recorded, didn't know about bonus track reissues in the interim.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 7 August 2020 17:56 (two days ago) link

So do you guys know where that house is on the self-titled cover?

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 August 2020 13:16 (yesterday) link

Also, um, one of Emitt's ex-wives seems to be a member of the Fan Forum.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 August 2020 14:53 (yesterday) link

Definitely her.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:05 (yesterday) link

that's interesting and also weird. will she tell her story ? will the fans be kind to her ?

the woman who took the photograph on the jackie deshannon album cover was married to composer teiji ito, maya deren's widower, and was the administrator of the deren estate until her death in 1999:

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/01/17/classified/paid-notice-deaths-ito-cherel-winett.html

budo jeru, Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:09 (yesterday) link

No to the first question. To the second question, they mostly turn a blind eye if they are aware of it at all. Although one person posted this on a thread she started:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEuiyOcGfz8

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:12 (yesterday) link


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