C or D: Emitt Rhodes?

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I've been listening to his first album for the past few days. Should I get his second? Is it as good as this one? I'm tempted to say Dud just because I want to play devils advocate, because I don't find very much strkingly original in his music. But it's very well done, the production is smart, he's got a nice voice, and the songs are pretty goddamn catchy. So it's not a dud, then, so it's gotta be classic.

But.. how about other stuff? I'm not a very big Merry Go Round fan, and like I said, I haven't heard the second album.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link

all tht mediocre stuff is very du jour...so hop on now

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link

wierd..i just picked up his second album (mirror) the other day used on vinyl...it's pretty cool...his rockers are pretty hokey and don't rock, but all the depressing pretty songs are great...very mccartney solo type vibe on the one i've got...it's pretty good i think.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 00:16 (fourteen years ago) link

hop on now?

I've been aboard for years and prefer "Mirror" over the first. If you can find it, I say buy it.

kwhitehead (stephen schmidt), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Total classic. I like the "The American Dream" best which has "Mother Earth" and "Mary will you take my hand?" which are two of my favorite songs by him. He gets knocked for sounding like McCartney. It's an obvious comparison and not so far off the mark but I'll take his stuff over Wings any day of the weak.

Does anyone know what ever happened to him? I think he's still alive and after a 4th album whose name escapes he pretty much disappeared from music. And considering he was a teenager when he started that must've put him in his early 20's at that point.

Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:45 (fourteen years ago) link

I got Listen Listen, a Merry Go Round compilation, recently, and I really like it. His first album is good. I mean the self-titled one. I think it's his first.

youn, Tuesday, 31 January 2006 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I love love LOVE his debut (and Merry Go Round is great, too) -- I'm less hot on the followups. I read a feature in Big Takeover (yeah, sorry) sometime back on him -- I gather he's battled depression for several years to the detriment of his career.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 03:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Classic all the way although the quality of the records did fall away as time went on, the s/t record is the best and Mirror/Farewell To Paradise less so. He had signed a deal where he had to deliver 2 records a year I think but because he was recording everything himself this was physically and mentally impossible which eventually led to him stopping releasing records and having some sort of a breakdown I think. Couldn't take the pressure that was put on him. Since then he has produced other people and continued to write songs and there have been on off rumours for a long time that he was going to release a record but due to bad luck or whatever it never makes it out. I read a

I have heard that Rhino Handmade or Hip-o-Select are working on a box of all his stuff which I'm looking forward to.

Finally, just found this interview from 1997 which might be of interest

http://www.buhdge.com/audio%20buhdge/rhodes_audio.htm

mms (mms), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 15:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Wow, a box would be great. As for how he'd be today, all I know is that the one song from 1980 on the Listen, Listen comp has the worst treacly sax imaginable...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:42 (fourteen years ago) link

kind of surprised there wasn't a thread on him already.

i'd like him better if his name was "emit," as in emit death rays from my intergalactic fender rhodes.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 31 January 2006 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Just found this after finally getting as copy of his first record; it's one of the saddest things I've read in a while

http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=583&IssueNum=33

sonofstan, Sunday, 16 September 2007 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

there is a comp out now on Hip-O select which combines all three of the solo albums and some other things (although not everything) that apparently sounds amazing. I really love his first album.

akm, Thursday, 28 May 2009 04:36 (eleven years ago) link

kewl!

That's a good article ^up there too.

wilter, Thursday, 28 May 2009 05:23 (eleven years ago) link

'you take the dark out of the night' = amazing song

iatee, Thursday, 28 May 2009 05:32 (eleven years ago) link

eight months pass...

Sad and kind of o_O interview on WFMU that aired today.

François de Roobabe (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 13 February 2010 20:05 (ten years ago) link

i once had a long confused (maybe drunken) conversation with a friend where I said "this guy sounds more like mccartney than mccartney!" and my friend said "you think he sounds like mccartney? i don't hear that at all!" and we went back and forth for a long time. but it turned out i had been saying emmitt miller, the old minstrel "lovesick blues" guy and had completely confused my friend. true story!

tylerw, Saturday, 13 February 2010 20:08 (ten years ago) link

anyway, been meaning to get that hip-o comp -- worth it? i've only heard the s/t.

tylerw, Saturday, 13 February 2010 20:09 (ten years ago) link

i like that story. reminds me of the time when i was drunk and i kept saying something like: "i hate george clinton! why does everyone love george clinton so much! i don't trust him!" and my friends looked at me weird cuz i meant to say bill clinton.

scott seward, Saturday, 13 February 2010 20:12 (ten years ago) link

I can only imagine what a mindf**k of a record McCartney and Rhodes would've made together if they had joined forces back in the day.

François de Roobabe (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 13 February 2010 20:13 (ten years ago) link

but it turned out i had been saying emmitt miller, the old minstrel "lovesick blues" guy and had completely confused my friend. true story!

haha!

lukevalentine, Saturday, 13 February 2010 21:19 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ZIjbRj8xs

lukevalentine, Saturday, 13 February 2010 21:20 (ten years ago) link

anyway, Emmit Rhodes s/t is absolute classic, it includes "Somebody Made For Me" one of my all time favorite pop songs

I like This American Dream as well

lukevalentine, Saturday, 13 February 2010 21:23 (ten years ago) link

what's interesting about that FMU interview? i can't listen to it right now. worth it?

by another name (amateurist), Sunday, 14 February 2010 00:12 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Maybe that should have its own thread.

Cut Creator Has A Master Plan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 5 June 2011 14:32 (nine years ago) link

Been listening to the Hip-O-Select. The American Dream drags a little but the s/t is great and don't notice too much of a dropoff in quality in the other two.

James & Bobby Quantify (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 14:52 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

anyone ever see this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLL8CsVeOiE

buzza, Sunday, 27 January 2013 22:46 (seven years ago) link

No!

Leopard Skin POLL-Box Hat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 28 January 2013 01:37 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...
three years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL4Tcw77LNo

velko, Sunday, 1 July 2018 00:03 (two years ago) link

dope

billstevejim, Sunday, 1 July 2018 02:33 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

I'd wondered for eons why this guy disappeared after 1973, and just read that his ABC contract demanded 6 albums over the span of 3 years and he couldn't keep up. They sued him and he started working behind the scenes instead. Imagine chasing a guy this talented away from a recording career because he worked slowly. jfc!

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 26 January 2020 10:37 (eleven months ago) link

five months pass...

RIP
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emitt_Rhodes

Kibbutzki (Jaap Schip), Sunday, 19 July 2020 21:03 (six months ago) link

RIP Emitt.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 July 2020 21:38 (six months ago) link

I'd wondered for eons why this guy disappeared after 1973, and just read that his ABC contract demanded 6 albums over the span of 3 years and he couldn't keep up. They sued him and he started working behind the scenes instead. Imagine chasing a guy this talented away from a recording career because he worked slowly. jfc!

True but then I wonder why he didn't reduce his workload by just getting Leland Sklar and Waddy Wachtel and whoever to play on his records instead of trying to do everything himself - he'd even taken up the saxophone on his final (70s) album!

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 July 2020 23:42 (six months ago) link

He was really into doing stuff by himself. I actually was just looking at my vinyl Farewell To Paradise (his last album for ABC/Dunhill), and his liner notes are very defensive about controlling all aspects of his music as an artist.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 19 July 2020 23:54 (six months ago) link

I've always been amazed he never found work as a professional songwriter, but I guess he was a little too early for that to be a viable career path.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 19 July 2020 23:56 (six months ago) link

Farewell To Paradise liner notes (for context, I believe he already been sued by ABC/Dunhill for breach of contract before recording the album)

If gold is valuable because it is scarce, then sincerity must even be more valuable because there is so precious little of it. I'm seldom attracted to liner notes. I've only taken the time to read just a few...those I have, in so many words, praised whomever for his or her musical genius. I find it difficult to do the same.

If I possess a talent, it surely must be patience. Someone said something about the world stepping aside when a man knew what he wanted. I've known for some time and the world hasn't yet made it any easier for me. Those things I cherish most I worked long and paid dearly for. I am a recording artist not just a songwriter or musician. I have taken total responsibility of my art. Avoiding the temptation of using others to conceal my weaknesses. My works are sincere and entirety my own.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 20 July 2020 00:22 (six months ago) link

Re-Upping broken Youtubes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgmioAfzhXE

The Merry-Go-Round on Hollywood Palace w/Don Knotts

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 20 July 2020 03:12 (six months ago) link

Cool! Have The Bangles weighed in yet?

Left Eye Frizzell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 July 2020 03:16 (six months ago) link

Susanna tweeted, but she's the only one I follow. Dunno about the others.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 20 July 2020 03:21 (six months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLYUJbvBFU4

"Birthday Lady" promo film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypoMlWQ9xwU

"Really Wanted You" promo film.

I remember seeing a clip of him on the Whistle Test, but it's not up atm.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 20 July 2020 03:22 (six months ago) link

There's also a Palace Guard clip up ("Falling Sugar") but I don't think Rhodes is in it. The guy miming drums doesn't look like him.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 20 July 2020 03:40 (six months ago) link

That Brooklyn Vegan notice has some good stuff but too many popups. They do have vimeo embeds though, so there's that. Anyway here is a link to the doc, The One Man Beatles. https://vimeo.com/266426996

Left Eye Frizzell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 July 2020 03:42 (six months ago) link

This is probably his last interview: https://mediumfidelitymusic.wordpress.com/2020/07/19/example-post-3

Left Eye Frizzell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 July 2020 04:07 (six months ago) link

Flatmate who confirmed his passing is in the vimeo.

Left Eye Frizzell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 July 2020 04:13 (six months ago) link

anyone ever see this?

― buzza, Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:46 PM

No!

― Leopard Skin POLL-Box Hat (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, January 27, 2013

will finally watch this!

buzza, Monday, 20 July 2020 04:24 (six months ago) link

It's kind of bittersweet and sad and depressing- surprise! - but well-done and affectionate. Now is a perfect time to watch.

Left Eye Frizzell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 July 2020 04:38 (six months ago) link

A few of the singles off the last album, none of which I have listened to yet, are credited to Emitt Rhodes, Richard Thompson and The Bangles. Not 100% sure what this means.

Left Eye Frizzell (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 20 July 2020 04:45 (six months ago) link

Speaking of "Steely Emitt", Gary Kato mentioned in the liners to the Merry Go Round comp that in the late '80s his band Bullet backed Rhodes on some "Steely Dan-quality" demos of new compositions.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 6 August 2020 20:26 (five months ago) link

Can't believe this only emerged within the last several hours. Jackie De Shannon singing "Live Till You DIe" - recorded at American Studios! Yet another dot to connect in my Arthur Alexander, um, "Theory."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMPUQECIiIM

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:16 (five months ago) link

Guess this stuff lay in the vaults until two years ago, Damn you, Emitt!
https://jazzchill.blogspot.com/2018/04/jackie-deshannon-stone-cold-soulthe.html

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:26 (five months ago) link

That cover came out as a bonus on the RPM reissue of Jackie’s “Songs” fifteen years ago or so, for what it’s worth.

Tim, Friday, 7 August 2020 17:53 (five months ago) link

Thanks. Saw that a couple of, um, songs, from that session made it onto Songs, maybe they were even re-recorded, didn't know about bonus track reissues in the interim.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 7 August 2020 17:56 (five months ago) link

So do you guys know where that house is on the self-titled cover?

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 August 2020 13:16 (five months ago) link

Also, um, one of Emitt's ex-wives seems to be a member of the Fan Forum.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 August 2020 14:53 (five months ago) link

Definitely her.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:05 (five months ago) link

that's interesting and also weird. will she tell her story ? will the fans be kind to her ?

the woman who took the photograph on the jackie deshannon album cover was married to composer teiji ito, maya deren's widower, and was the administrator of the deren estate until her death in 1999:

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/01/17/classified/paid-notice-deaths-ito-cherel-winett.html

budo jeru, Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:09 (five months ago) link

No to the first question. To the second question, they mostly turn a blind eye if they are aware of it at all. Although one person posted this on a thread she started:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEuiyOcGfz8

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:12 (five months ago) link

His other ex-wife is on there too. I kind of feel unclean knowing this. Now that I have reported it, I will slink away in shame.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 August 2020 22:49 (five months ago) link

...for Mexican Coffees at Red Lobster?

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 10 August 2020 22:53 (five months ago) link

Ha, I saw that coming a few light years away, using my homebrew telescope. Do you know how a telescope works? Do you know what parallax is?

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 August 2020 22:58 (five months ago) link

I've read books.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 10 August 2020 23:05 (five months ago) link

Heh.

The other ex made it pretty clear she doesn't want her story told.

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 August 2020 02:56 (five months ago) link

Wonder which one is heard at the end of “Bubble Gum The Blues.”

Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 August 2020 04:21 (five months ago) link

So as this posthumous boom of interest is winding down for me, not much more info is emerging, mostly some intriguing photos from a friend Emitt had given them to, who is turning them over one by one like playing cards. Well, there was that one Xmas card from Emitt, his wife and first son posted by a guy who played with Billy Joel in the early ( Attila?) days. There is still the ever-present curious cat part of me that wants to hear the gory details of all of his family troubles but highly doubt these will come to light. Do feel after extensive (re)listening that despite the way his career played out his musical legacy is strong, that he was much more than just a stuntman, a footnote, a might-have-been, currently residing in the where-is-he-now file.

Isinglass Ponys (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 August 2020 08:09 (five months ago) link

There’s always a temptation to want to know more with these guys – to learn where and why things went off the rails and how it all maybe kind of could’ve ended differently. But I almost always find that when I do learn more—say, reading the Gene Clark, Dennis Wilson and Billy MacKenzie biographies—while I’m glad I dug deeper I’m invariably kind of bummed out and feel like I need to take a shower. Mental illness sucks that way.

I feel comfortable concluding that learning more about Emitt would almost certainly end the same way.

Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 16 August 2020 18:15 (five months ago) link

Otm

Isinglass Ponys (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 August 2020 18:45 (five months ago) link

I feel a little bit like that already, just perusing the minimal posts of his exes.

Isinglass Ponys (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 August 2020 19:02 (five months ago) link

There are a few nice pictures that keep emerging from various shoeboxes in the other place, including one of Emitt with what seems to be Jack Nitzsche along with this guy, https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=288534&title+Harvey-Bruce-RIP, the man who signed Emitt and introduced him to Keith Olsen.

Isinglass Ponys (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 18:27 (four months ago) link

Nitzsche earlier arranged and/or produced one of the Palace Guard singles, which iirc he was dismissive of in the big interview/discography overview he did in the late '70s in BOMP!.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 18:48 (four months ago) link

Was thinking this thread would mention Emitt, but no: Thoughts on hum?

Two Little Hit Parades (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 28 August 2020 21:54 (four months ago) link

I may watch this tribute thing at 3PM PDT on FB this evening.

Quit It And Hit It Sideways (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 5 September 2020 13:39 (four months ago) link

Tribute was kind of touching if a little thrown together. In other news, pictures are showing up of Emitt's induction into the Hawthorne Hall of Fame, courtesy of his ex-wife and others. Most interesting is a picture of Emitt and his fiancée at a restaurant she liked- at LAX!

Quit It And Hit It Sideways (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 21:37 (four months ago) link

that was presumably the proud bird, which is actually next door to lax, with a view. a strange little la landmark.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 22:03 (four months ago) link

That’s the same place he went with the TV producer in 2006.

Quit It And Hit It Sideways (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 23:17 (four months ago) link

Some people keep referring to the earlier version of "Isn't It So" as one of three songs, but I think they are confusing this with the three songs with Richard Thompson and the Peterson sisters.

ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 14 September 2020 15:02 (four months ago) link

Pretty good writeup and interview:
https://recordcollectormag.com/articles/the-one-man-beatles

ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 17 September 2020 18:40 (four months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Morbius's sister recently posted a high school photo of him on Friendbook and for a beat or two I really thought it was something from the Emitt Rhodes group. #OneThread

Spiral "Scratch" Starecase (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 October 2020 21:19 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

My top artist of the year, 0.005%ile.

Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 18:17 (one month ago) link

And The Merry-Go-Round came in number five.

Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 December 2020 02:45 (one month ago) link

you love to see it

budo jeru, Friday, 4 December 2020 03:16 (one month ago) link

I owe it all to you guys and this thread. Mulțumesc!

Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 December 2020 03:26 (one month ago) link

it's been a journey for sure!

budo jeru, Friday, 4 December 2020 03:34 (one month ago) link

Yeah, a real journey...to the nearest Red Lobster!

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 December 2020 04:09 (one month ago) link

lol

budo jeru, Friday, 4 December 2020 04:16 (one month ago) link

Never gets old.

Robert Gotopieces (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 4 December 2020 14:43 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

the photos from the magic mountain music festival are super cool

budo jeru, Saturday, 9 January 2021 17:48 (one week ago) link

Wonder if anyone ever revealed who "You're a Very Lovely Woman" was supposed to be about.

Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 January 2021 18:56 (one week ago) link

Finally watching that video I just posted. Not sure if there is anything new in it.

Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 9 January 2021 19:03 (one week ago) link

I walked by a hand car wash on an industrial street of woodside queens this morning and heard With My Face On the Floor blasting. It was an odd location for that.

dan selzer, Monday, 11 January 2021 19:38 (one week ago) link

This cool, new-to-me track giving me heavy Emitt Rhodes vibes though I think Rhodes would've taken this up several notches lyrically
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QziYUqeSVe0

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 16 January 2021 10:17 (six days ago) link


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