Breeders "Title TK" -- Thoughts?

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Got this today... I'm halfway through and it sounds exactly like "Pod." Of course the 8 year wait was bullshit -- this album could have been recorded in a weekend. But I'm digging it (I loved "Pod"). Anyone else have thoughts on the first from the clean & sober Deal sibs?

Yancey, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

They played the Buffy theme when we went to see them, but we left early and didn't catch it.

Haven't heard it but I'm kinda ambivalent.

Andy K, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Dave Q to thread.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Yancey, don't toy with my emotions like that.

David Raposa, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Yancey, don't toy with my emotions like that."

What? I don't understand...

Yancey, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Toying = saying it sounds like _Pod_; that is, pretty damn freakin' good, which goes against everything else I've heard about the band (live & otherwise) in recent days. I couldn't STAND being let down.

But, then, hey, I have the Internet! Never mind me & my grousing.

Daver, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Definitely like Pod in that it's very simple and straightforward. Nothing here will surprise you, except that "Full on Idle" is on this album. And it sounds exactly the same as the version on Pacer.

Title TK is a blend of Pacer and Pod I guess. Actually, you already know what this sounds like. It sounds like everything else Kim has ever done, which is good for some, bad for others.

Yancey, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Pacer should have been an EP blah blah

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...
Does anyone care that the Breeders played a small club in Los Angeles last night and were simply grebt? Still cute after all these years, and Kelly's matronly upper arms are so hott I'm confused. Other than the sad evidence of the old alt-rock calcifying into the new classic-rock, a blast was had by all. Really!

wl (wl), Friday, 14 February 2003 17:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I care! They're playing west coast dates?

But Yancey, Title TK sounds nothing like Pod!

Paula G., Friday, 14 February 2003 17:52 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

My response was based on hearing it once ages ago. I reviewed (and trashed) the album for Flakmag.com later on (much to wl's chagrin).

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 14 February 2003 18:08 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Comeback TK.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 14 February 2003 21:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I just read something -- Pazz and Jop comments maybe? -- that I found completely spot-on about the Breeders: that what recommends them is actually that they've not changed their aims a bit and yet it doesn't sound so terribly less fresh than it used to. Hardly at all, really. How did they manage that?

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 14 February 2003 21:14 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I just think Pod really sounds like it was made by a completely different band than the post-Pod Breeders. Something about the production, the roomy sound and the way the guitars sound, and most of all the drumming of "Shannon Doughton". Both incarnations have their good points though, and the new album if not great sure isn't as bad as Yanc3y says.

Paula G., Friday, 14 February 2003 21:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Did you read my review? Yeah, the album was making me angry.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 14 February 2003 21:27 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

No (I was going by your comment about trashing it) but I just did and, jeez, now *I'm* kind of angry. I mean if you put it in your terms -- nine years to produce not very much good material -- and take into account how many fans were waiting to buy a "Breeders" album no matter what it contained...well, it does seem a bit of a con. Or do I mean cop?

Paula G., Friday, 14 February 2003 21:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah, the review was a reaction to my killed expectations more than the record itself (and the fact that that Amps song is on there (I forget the name) still drives me nuts).

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 14 February 2003 21:47 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

ah come on, you were actually waiting for a breeders album? Not that htey were bad, but there was tons of good stuff the past 9 years so it's not like it was such a huge loss. Ned Raggett might say their no MBV.

g (graysonlane), Friday, 14 February 2003 21:53 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I didn't buy a single album between Last Splash and Title TK in anticipation. I was paralyzed. I just watched the BreederCam on the web, waiting for Kim and Kelly to stop nodding and to write some new songs. It was the only thing that mattered.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 14 February 2003 21:55 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Re: reacting to "killed expectations more than the record itself" - but you've now convinced me that huge expectaions + mediocre result *should* tip the critical balance toward *suck*. In other words it's not just a mediocre album by any band, but by one that has all the advantages. But you'll never turn me against the last record we argued about!

Paula G., Friday, 14 February 2003 21:58 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yanc i was really just kidding. but i do think it is almopst always noit worth waiting for any particular band to release an album or whtever.

g (graysonlane), Friday, 14 February 2003 22:01 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I was kidding too g, but Pod really is one of my favorite records. It's a great pop album.

Was the last album we argued about the Teasers, Paula?

you've now convinced me that huge expectaions + mediocre result *should* tip the critical balance toward *suck*. In other words it's not just a mediocre album by any band, but by one that has all the advantages.

I TOTALLY think this is true. I'm always harder on bands that I love than bands that I have nothing invested in.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 14 February 2003 22:03 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Yeah - an album that *was* worth waiting for, but maybe didn't seem like it at the time.

Paula G., Friday, 14 February 2003 22:05 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

At the time it came out, I mean. But in hindsight amazing. You can't deny it!

Paula G., Friday, 14 February 2003 22:06 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Wait, that Title TK is amazing? I can't deny that?

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 14 February 2003 22:09 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

NO! Destroy All Human...

Paula G., Friday, 14 February 2003 22:13 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Gotcha. I still haven't listened since we talked.

I just listened to "Off You" from Title TK a bit ago, and it is great, I cannot deny it.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 14 February 2003 22:16 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Well, pretty good anyway. By the way, do you know who Shannon Doughton is/was? I always heard it was the drummer in Slint but then not too long ago someone told me the Slint thing was just a false rumor.

Paula G., Friday, 14 February 2003 22:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

No idea. AMG says Bitch Magnet.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 14 February 2003 22:28 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

In other words it's not just a mediocre album by any band, but by one that has all the advantages. -- Are massive expectations and an automatic skeptical tipping of the critical scale toward "suck" really advantages? I mean, I see what you're saying, but geez.

This, interestingly, is a big critic-vs-fan divide. Critics move a little faster, I think, and thus are pretty unlikely to be impressed by a band that comes back years and years later doing basically the same thing. Casual fans, who aren't racing along down the road, are happier just to get more songs they like. Result: unprecedented numbers of "your reviewer is a stupid trendy snob this album is great" letters for comebacks like this, right?

I don't think Title TK was anything to be mad at. I'm not sure why anyone would have expected the Breeders to get massively amazing during years and years of problems and lineup changes and inactivity. I was just pleasantly surprised that it had some decent songs and didn't sound horribly dated.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 14 February 2003 22:32 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I actually got a fair split of letters frpm my review between those who agreed completely and those who disagreed. Can I stand behind the anger of what I wrote now? Not at all. I'm a big Breeders fan and I always have been. Shit, I loved the Amps record! I was just hugely let down by that album. I wasn't expecting anything "massively amazing," I just wanted something decent, which I don't think Title TK is (but I know many will disagree).

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 14 February 2003 22:37 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

When I wrote what I wrote, I was trying to get into the nasty all-or-nothing spirit of Yancey's review. But see, his review jolted me into thinking (and I'll let you know after I relisten to Title TK) that not only was I *not* being too hard on the new album, I'd actually been too easy on it. You know, because I wanted to like the new Breeders album, I worked pretty hard at finding things to like about a pretty mediocre record. Whereas I would have given up right away on a similar record by a group I didn't care about. See what I'm saying?

Paula G., Friday, 14 February 2003 22:44 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I'm fairly certain that the drummer was Britt Walford from Slint, having been close to that scene way back when.

Kerry (dymaxia), Friday, 14 February 2003 22:57 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

(much to wl's chagrin)

Eh, not so much. Actually, I hdan't heard the record yet and really liked your review. Still do. I disagree, tho'.

wl (wl), Saturday, 15 February 2003 03:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks Kerry. You and the olde rumor mill can't be wrong. But hey I listened to Title Tk and it really is poor. The song Yancey loves is okay if only for being slow tempo and having a cool out of place keyboard burp at the beginning. Also okay is the instrumental near the end. I'm putting this in the to trade pile.

Paula G., Friday, 21 February 2003 20:21 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

I think we have close to the exact same taste, Paula. KISSES!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 21 February 2003 20:24 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Ned Raggett might say their no MBV.

I might.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 February 2003 20:45 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

Oh Yancey! My heart is pounding. Why haven't you burst into the Azita thread to sweep me off my feet?

Paula G., Friday, 21 February 2003 21:17 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

their on-disc versh of the buffy themetune is not as good as nerf herder's, but it wd be silly to mind abt this

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 22 February 2003 11:49 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

four years pass...
i don't know why i haven't posted to this thread. maybe i have. don't think so. Title TK absolutely rocks. Pod is still their best album (i don't know if u can get much better than Iris or When I Was a Painter), but Title TK REALLY has some mind boggling moments, and no really bad ones. also i don't think they're doing the same thing here. they're still the breeders but it's definitely a new take.

Surmounter, Sunday, 13 May 2007 01:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i mean Off You alone, while not a rocker, carries enough credibility, as far as magic goes. she sat down and got magical with that song. um, also Dear Traveler (is that the title? number four?) is inSANE trancey bass stuff. i think both those songs are a refreshed sound from them, and certainly no less "wtf factor" than their earlier albums. this album actually came out to very good reviews at the time. it was like people had almost forgotten about the breeders (never i) and really just couldn't come up with much of a critique: oh yeah, they're good! kindof a thing. made me happy.

Surmounter, Sunday, 13 May 2007 01:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

just reading stuff above: Pod is one of my alltime fav records 2, and yes Title TK does sound like it in ways.

Surmounter, Sunday, 13 May 2007 01:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

people dismiss, they're amiss.
Amps still kick so much ass in my book.
but, yeah, Off You sorta kills me, esp. on headphones.
those last 2 songs goin into each other also, verah noice

edde, Sunday, 13 May 2007 17:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

headphones for Off You are very good. yeah, sorta kills me is right. I am the autumn and the scarlet, i am the make up on your eyes

it really is devestating.

and Pacer is incredible btw, very much a lot

Surmounter, Sunday, 13 May 2007 22:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Pacer/Last Splash/Title TK/Pod

President Evil, Monday, 14 May 2007 07:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Pod/Title TK/4 Song EP/Pod Demos/Pacer/Sassy Magazine/Last Splash

dlp9001, Monday, 14 May 2007 12:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

'sassy magazine'????

edde, Monday, 14 May 2007 16:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

i just broke this out again. every time i break it out it impresses me even more.

THE SHE
TOO ALIVE
SON OF THREE

basically the first 8 songs are absurdly great. and then u have sinister foxx which is like OK. and then the last 3 songs are beautiful.

i mean WHAT THE FUCK

THIS ALBUM FUCKING RULES. i feel a phase coming on.

Surmounter, Friday, 17 August 2007 18:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

just saw that pixies reunion doc (what an awkward band!), featuring kim & kelley working on breeders demos in the tourvan -- never heard Title TK, but I should probably get it ... I think I love pretty much everything Ms. Deal does ...

tylerw, Friday, 17 August 2007 19:24 (ten years ago) Permalink

Kelly's matronly upper arms are so hott I'm confused

I'm confused, too. What does this mean?

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 17 August 2007 21:17 (ten years ago) Permalink

yea kim is def someone whose work i love in its entirity. not a song i don't.

Surmounter, Friday, 17 August 2007 23:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

i tried
i even sent in friends
they did it as a favor cuz i'm not that way

janice (surm), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 04:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

my copy of this got nicked by an ex

i don't remember what it's like

the mandelbrot cassette (electricsound), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 04:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

u should probably get it

janice (surm), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's a wonder, though i wonder if it'll get the remaster treatment 15 yrs from now and i'll think 'that's what it ALWAYS shoulda sounded like'

156, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

been watching buffy and found myself very pleased to see them playing within an episode, unannounced and seemingly out of fucking nowhere

oohhh weennnddddyyy weennnddyy what went wrrrooonnnnggg (kelpolaris), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is a great record & has always been a great record

gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

favorite fucking breeders record. stark, chalky thing from the mouth of nowhere.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

also so loud and so sad.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 05:54 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^ posts of truth

janice (surm), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 06:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

this record sounds so so so perfect

Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 09:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

its a strange odd record. i liked it when it came out, havent listened to it in a long time (must dig it out again) and everybody i knew either hated it or was just befuddled by it. its all feel and mood i guess, like 'pod' in that sense. theres no 'cannonball' or 'drivin on nine' here.

Michael B, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 12:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

'mountain battles' even better i thought

Michael B, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 12:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

My copy has been stuck in my car's CD player since 2002, so the album's legendary status has only grown.

Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 12:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

this record is weird. i love the way it ends Sinister Foxx/Forced to Drive/ T and T/ Huffer are all awesome. don't like much else aside from those and Off You, which is one of the most beautiful things ever.

mizzell, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 13:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Off You, with "I am the make-up on your eyes" and whatever that SOUND is (BEYOOOOOO), is classic.

trippin lookin at my portfolio (billy), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 14:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

Son of Three always smacks me in the face in the best way

verhexen, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 14:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

Great album, great band. Mountain Battles is just about as good, but different.
I love the language exercise songs on Mountain Battles.
Was there a tour video released around the time of Title TK?
There's a video for Son of Three (for instance) on youtube and the song is a little faster and uh dirtier, I guess.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 15:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

this record has some really great songs on it...

rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 16:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

kind of surprised to hear haerosmith likes it though...

rotting-month story (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 17:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

OFF YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

so good, i kind of never need to hear another Kim Deal song because it's perfect.

LAMBDA LAMBDA LANDA (Beatrix Kiddo), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 21:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

i can't even really talk about it anymore

janice (surm), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 21:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

My latest theory is that Title TK distills all the stuff I liked from Pod, and drops all the stuff I hated from Last Splash, which explains the divided response. I'm getting iffier and iffier lately about whether even Pod is better...

dlp9001, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 23:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

for some reason i have never checked the breeders about beyond this album. i love it a lot, but i've heard it's their worst? that's a lot of hype for their other music.

marc iv, Thursday, 2 September 2010 04:09 (seven years ago) Permalink

so weird. this album's reception is like an enigma.

janice (surm), Thursday, 2 September 2010 04:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

seven years pass...

Imagine hating on an album that goes from "Off You" to "The She" to "Too Alive"

the man from P.O.R.L.O.C.K. (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 10:02 (three months ago) Permalink

God this record. Who could ever write and record "Sinister Foxx"? A ticket to the subconscious.

startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 10:14 (three months ago) Permalink

This is still probs my favourite Breeders LP.

papa don't take no meth (stevie), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 10:38 (three months ago) Permalink

How on earth is this thread 16 years old? This album still feels pretty new to me.

nate woolls, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 10:50 (three months ago) Permalink

hhhas anyone seen...the iguanaaaaaa?

J. Sam, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 13:26 (three months ago) Permalink

dumb made for fucking
and missing from the party
that boy's spun out

na (NA), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:20 (three months ago) Permalink


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