Punk vs Metal

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Pick only one and explain why.

Which one will ya choose?
Which one's it gonna be?
Which one? Punk or metal?
Only pick one.
Only pick only one.
Which one will it be?
GIVE 'IM A PEANUT!

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Friday, 13 January 2006 09:59 (fourteen years ago) link

BOTH AT ONCE

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Metal because the second Decline Of Western Civilization was far funnier than the first.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Friday, 13 January 2006 11:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Where were you in 1985? NYHC Crossover for me, baby!

LoneNut, Friday, 13 January 2006 11:10 (fourteen years ago) link

One of the all-time great ILM threads: Comparing Genres: Punk vs Metal (Long Preamble)

M Carty (mj_c), Friday, 13 January 2006 11:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Nice thread - some really interesting stuff there.

Let's make this one that one's little brother since that one is VERY long. Just say which you like (not allowed both).

Wogan Lenin (dog latin), Friday, 13 January 2006 12:13 (fourteen years ago) link

A-HA! I was wonderin if sumone would mention crossover!! ZING!!

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 13 January 2006 12:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Meatl. (i meant to type metal, but I like the typo too much to change it)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 13 January 2006 12:19 (fourteen years ago) link

And remember kids, a vote for Motörhead is a vote for neither!

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Friday, 13 January 2006 12:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Slayer

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 13 January 2006 12:32 (fourteen years ago) link

What's the difference??

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 14:58 (fourteen years ago) link

xhuxk shoots and scores!

baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Punk first, metal second. (i'm from the crossover era too). Remember, the metal heads came to punk shows before punks made it to the metal shows. Speaking of crossover, does anyone remember Alchemy records from SF? (Clown Alley, 1st melvins, Sacrilege, 1st Neurosis LP).

ghost nuts (ghost nuts), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Punk rock does not have an easy go-to "I am kicking ass at something" hand signal. Metal wins.

disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link

yes they do disco, it's the middle finger!

ghost nuts (ghost nuts), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

The middle finger alone does not denote punk rock; otherwise everyone who is cut off in traffic is a Ramones fan.

disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

What's the difference??

Haircut, usually. I got my ass busted for having hair at a few shows where nobody else did back in the day.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Remember, the metal heads came to punk shows before punks made it to the metal shows.

That's cuz metal is a gateway drug to punk.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:36 (fourteen years ago) link

>The middle finger alone does not denote punk rock; otherwise everyone who is cut off in traffic is a Ramones fan. <

Hook 'Em Horns to thread.

xhuxk, Friday, 13 January 2006 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Metal is all about technical proficiency, punk is all about attitude. Both are meant to TEAR!!!

LoneNut, Saturday, 14 January 2006 06:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Metal is all about technical proficiency, punk is all about attitude

tell that to Venom!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 14 January 2006 09:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Metal is all about technical proficiency, punk is all about attitude.Meh. I can play you eleventy billion ham-fisted thrash relics from the '80s that all lack the "chops" that Television and the Bad Brains had. That's a cliche.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Saturday, 14 January 2006 09:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Chuck, outside of Texas the extended index/pinky does not mean "I like me some college football"

disco violence (disco violence), Saturday, 14 January 2006 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Was there any decent crossover before Napalm Death? I remember hating
all the metal-leaning punk back in the early 80s....

shieldforyoureyes, Saturday, 14 January 2006 18:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Is that Brian O'Neil as in Brain O'Null who used to write for the New York Review of Records back when the seas were still steaming and the skies were still pierced with the cries of descending pteradactyles?

E-mail me!!!

Alex in NYC....briefly returning from Lurkdom fleetingly.... (vassifer), Saturday, 14 January 2006 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Pre-Napalm Death crossover... this is very much a personal taste area, but I like:

Broken Bones - Decapitated/Dem Bones
Amebix - No Sanctuary, Arise
DRI - 1st 2 albums
Siege - Drop Dead
United Mutation - discography
Suicidal Tendencies - s/t

There's more that's currently escaping me.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 15 January 2006 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link

This is lame.

Punks if pretentious shit from a socio-political angle.

Metal is pretentious shit from a musical angle.

I love the both.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Sunday, 15 January 2006 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Ok, that made no sense at all. Let me try this again:

Punk is pretentious shit from a socio-political angle.

Metal is pretentious shit from a musical angle.

I love them both.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Sunday, 15 January 2006 03:47 (fourteen years ago) link

KISS!

KISS, Sunday, 15 January 2006 04:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I prefer punk-that-could-be-called-nothing-else to metal-that-could-be-called-nothing-else, but I ususally prefer stuff that could be called something else.

Zwan (miccio), Sunday, 15 January 2006 04:53 (fourteen years ago) link

punks are better when they dress up. metalheads are better when they don't

bendy (bendy), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:23 (fourteen years ago) link

i like a lot of punk and barely any metal, so punk it is.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 15 January 2006 06:24 (fourteen years ago) link

This whole debate requires such a lack of knowledge about one or both genres that it's pretty much laughable from the outset. Taking a strong position almost requires some degree of ignorance.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Sunday, 15 January 2006 07:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Why would you say that? I used to be a real metalhead and then in my early teens, I discovered punk and immediately thought, "Oh this is what I like," and suddenly metal sounded really goofy and often hilarious, which is pretty funny in itself since only the day before it sounded so serious and badass. It was kind of like the sort of complete mental about-face that happens when you take acid for the first time. It took me years to really appreciate metal again in any form, which is always "for what it is" and with a bit of tongue in cheek. These days, most punk annoys me, so I guess I'm working in cycles.

James Slone's Debater, Sunday, 15 January 2006 16:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Chuck, outside of Texas the extended index/pinky does not mean "I like me some college football"

Yeah it does. Lots and lots and lots of college football fans and UT graduates around the country. Lots more than Dio fans, easy.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 16 January 2006 01:00 (fourteen years ago) link

outside the US, however...

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 16 January 2006 01:02 (fourteen years ago) link

(i'm from the crossover era too).

When was that? From the Sixities --> present?

Remember, the metal heads came to punk shows before punks made it to the metal shows

And how do you prove that one?

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 16 January 2006 01:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Ah who gives a damn, metal > football and y'all know it

disco violence (disco violence), Monday, 16 January 2006 01:27 (fourteen years ago) link

No we don't. As an observer of both, the college football season this year was a lot more rewarding and exciting than Metal 2005. ESPN College Gameday on Satudays totally rocked.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 16 January 2006 02:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Vince Neil is in Metallica now?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 16 January 2006 07:28 (fourteen years ago) link

I live in Columbus. The day that Texas beat Ohio State this past season, I was on the patio of a local watering hole. As fans of both teams were filing past the bar, I, playing the role of the obnoxious drunk, was throwing the goat at Longhorn fans saying "Hook 'Em Horns!"

Then when they reacted - usually with relief that someone in Columbus wasn't hurling things at them and with a goat-throw back - I would then say, with a demonic look in my eyes, "HAIL SATAN!!!!"

They looked a might bit uncomfortable then.

Good times...

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Monday, 16 January 2006 09:56 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...
metal is far better than punk listen to the sleep by pantera and youll c y

poop, Monday, 24 April 2006 02:21 (fourteen years ago) link

metal is about Vikings and spirituality.
punk is about pissing off your parents.

Metal wins.

the unbearable lightness of peeing (orion), Monday, 24 April 2006 03:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Hahaha, I misread that as "pissing off your pants" at first!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 24 April 2006 06:17 (fourteen years ago) link

ian otm.

hail satan!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 April 2006 07:18 (fourteen years ago) link

It wasn't until I had listened to way too much of both of them at a young age that I realized they were significantly different. At my impressionable age, Metallica, Count Five, Sex Pistols and Steppenwolf were all just on one tape... It may not have helped having Iggy Pop's "Butt Town" along with David Lee Roth's solo album b/w Handsome Dick Manitoba... It was all just loud white guys with guitars.

js (honestengine), Monday, 24 April 2006 12:01 (fourteen years ago) link

true that.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 24 April 2006 12:14 (fourteen years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

An intro to post-punk I made for my (awesome) metal-loving brother-in-law, that will bring world peace (amongst the punks and the metalheads):

https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/musicophilia_00_various_-_metalic_post-punk_1976-1985-cover-a.jpg?w=800

https://musicophilia.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/musicophilia_00_various_-_metalic_post-punk_1976-1985-cover-b-1.jpg?w=800


Various – ‘Metallic Post-Punk’
An Intro to Post-Punk for Metalheads (1976-1985)

Part I

[0:00:00] Wipers – “When It’s Over” (‘Youth of America’ 1981)
[0:06:25] 100 Flowers – “Reject Yourself” (‘Hell Comes to Your House’ 1981)
[0:08:55] Bauhaus – “Bela Lugosi’s Dead” (‘Bela Lugosi’s Dead’ EP 1979)
[0:18:25] Cocteau Twins – “Shallow Then Halo” (‘Garlands’ 1982)
[0:23:40] Glen Branca – “Structure” (‘The Ascension’ 1981)
[0:26:40] Mission of Burma – “Trem Two” (‘Vs’ 1982)
[0:30:50] Sonic Youth – “I Dreamed I Dream” (‘Sonic Youth’ EP 1982)
[0:35:55] This Heat – “Horizontal Hold” (‘This Heat’ 1979)
[0:42:50] Joy Division – “She’s Lost Control” (‘Unknown Pleasures’ 1979)
[0:46:35] Comsat Angels – “Dark Parade” (‘Sleep No More’ 1981)
[0:51:35] Pop Group – “Thief of Fire” (‘Y’ 1979)
[0:56:10] Siouxsie & The Banshees – “Desert Kisses” (‘Kaleidoscope’ 1980)

Part II

[1:00:25] Dead Can Dance – “Mesmerism” (‘Spleen & Ideal’ 1985)
[1:04:15] Dif Juz – “No Motion” (recorded 1985)
[1:08:50] Einsturzende Neubauten – “Kollaps” (‘Kollaps’ 1981)
[1:16:10] New Order – “Doubts Even Here” (‘Movement’ 1981)
[1:20:25] Mx-80 – “Promise of Love” (‘Crowd Control’ 1981)
[1:25:00] The Birthday Party – “The Friend Catcher” (‘Birthday Party’ 1982)
[1:29:00] Pere Ubu – “FInal Solution” (‘Final Solution’ EP 1976)
[1:33:55] Killing Joke – “Requiem” (‘Killing Joke’ 1980)
[1:37:35] The Cure – “The Drowning Man” (‘Faith’ 1981)
[1:42:30] Gang of Four – “Paralysed” (‘Solid Gold’ 1981)
[1:45:45] The Ex – “Bouquet of Barbed Wire” (‘Tumult’ 1983)
[1:52:05] Wire – “Mercy” (‘Chairs Missing’ 1978)

Part III

[1:57:50] Television – “Marquee Moon” (‘Marquee Moon’ 1977)
[2:08:35] The Gordons – “Coalminers Song” (‘The Gordons’ 1981)
[2:14:15] Talking Heads – “Drugs” (‘Fear of Music’ 1979)
[2:19:15] Gary Numan – “Metal” (‘The Pleasure Principle’ 1979)
[2:22:40] David Bowie – “Scary Monsters” (‘Scary Monsters’ 1980)
[2:27:35] Les Vampyrettes – “Biomutanten” (‘Les Vampyrettes’ EP 1981)
[2:31:30] Massacre – “As Is” (‘Killing Time’ 1981)
[2:38:05] XTC – “Complicated Game” (‘Drums & Wires’ 1979)
[2:42:55] Suicide – “Frankie Teardrop” (‘Suicide’ 1977)
[2:53:15] This Mortal Coil – “Song to the Siren” (‘It’ll End In Tears’ 1984)

[Total Time: 2:56:45]

Download/stream here: http://bit.ly/metalpostpunk

Soundslike, Saturday, 5 September 2020 08:23 (two weeks ago) link

That's not a bad compilation there.

As a metalhead whose second favorite genre came to become post-punk, I would have to add some things that helped my gateway to heaven:

Bush Tetras - "Too Many Creeps"
The Cult - "Spiritwalker"
Anything by Devo
The Feelies - most of Crazy Rhythms
Flipper - most of Generic Flipper
Almost anything by Lords of the New Church
Magazine - "Shot by Both Sides"
New Model Army
Tons by Nick Cave
Public Image Ltd - "Public Image"
Romen Void "Never Say Never"
A ton of shit by Sisters of Mercy
Sex Gang Children - "Sebastiane"
The Slits "Typical Girls"
Wall of Voodoo" - "Mexican Radio" (which I heard on WHFS in DC before Celtic Frost's legendary cover)

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 5 September 2020 17:54 (two weeks ago) link

love punk and post-punk, have pretty much zero interest in metal aside from some "metal-influenced" stuff (e.g. Blind Idiot God) and artsy hipster BM like Monoliths And Dimensions. I realize this is probably my loss, but life is short and there's a lot of other music I want to hear still.

sleeve, Saturday, 5 September 2020 18:04 (two weeks ago) link

I know basically nothing about metal, other than that I missed out on the popular/mainstream of it as a tween and teen when my friends liked it, and that the things I like I've heard have been more recent, arty stuff that seems to deconstruct/expand the genre in ways I imagine purists don't love. But I'm hoping this mix will inspire some people to make recommendations in the inverse: metal for people who like post-punk.

Soundslike, Saturday, 5 September 2020 20:58 (two weeks ago) link


As a metalhead whose second favorite genre came to become post-punk, I would have to add some things that helped my gateway to heaven:

I've mixed lots of those elsewhere, and had a number of them in my "maybe" cull folder that I just never found a spot for in the sequence (i.e. Flipper, PiL, Slits, Romeo Void, Bush Tetras, all of whom I love).

Soundslike, Saturday, 5 September 2020 21:01 (two weeks ago) link

Punk vs metal is like, too vague.

neither are monolithic. I like hardcore punk better than power metal, I like death metal better than I like pop-punk, I like black metal better than I like cowpunk, etc etc

Neanderthal, Saturday, 5 September 2020 21:04 (two weeks ago) link

a lot of my favorite metal is very indebted to punk

Neanderthal, Saturday, 5 September 2020 21:04 (two weeks ago) link

I feel like almost any post-thrash metal, i.e. virtually everything that is considered metal by contemporary standards, is, tbh? Am I missing something?

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 September 2020 23:45 (two weeks ago) link

I got sent a promo download of the super deluxe box of Motörhead's Ace of Spades, so I was listening to the two live concerts from 1981, and obviously they get talked about a lot as a bridge between punk and metal, but in those years they were so much more than that. They were faster than any band short of Discharge, and Lemmy's bass sound was absolutely monstrous. They must have sounded like the end of the world.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 23:50 (two weeks ago) link

Xpost i could see kids who grew up in the 90s or 00s bypassing the punk influence and just imitating their fav bands directly

Neanderthal, Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:22 (two weeks ago) link

Oh, yeah, but, what I meant was the thing they're imitating has punk in its DNA.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:24 (two weeks ago) link

i think the answer is skateboarding

sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:32 (two weeks ago) link

xp sleeve -- not even Iron Maiden??? who seem to be the token "old school" metal fave of punk lovers in their 40s and 50s?

sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:35 (two weeks ago) link

fwiw I am a punk lover in my 40s who likes a lot of metal but I don't like Iron Maiden

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:39 (two weeks ago) link

but Motorhead was probably the way I got over thinking "metal sucks"

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:40 (two weeks ago) link

also while I'm here, great mix Soundslike

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:43 (two weeks ago) link

xp - Colonel -- maybe it's more of an American thing?? idk ... like so many dudes I know who were punk teens and "matured" to being post-punk / indie dads will rep for Maiden but very little other metal of that era (ok, Maiden and Slayer) ... but maybe it's just the t-shirts? ... It's kinda the flipside of metal dudes of a similar age who think punk sucks but will rep for Misfits and Suicidal Tendencies idk

sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:53 (two weeks ago) link

Slayer is probably a better example over here. I do see a fair amount of Slayer t-shirts at hardcore gigs. And I do like Slayer.

I think it's just that I'm not that into most of the big NWOBHM bands outside of Motorhead, Girlschool and Venom. Most of the 80s metal I like is from 84ish onwards and that's probably not a coincidence that the punk influence increased around that time tbh

I do know a much more punk guy than me who likes Iron Maiden tho tbf

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:23 (two weeks ago) link

Maiden was a huge chart pop band in the UK, right? So it would be kind of like repping for Motley Crue or someone in North America? I wonder if that makes the difference.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:26 (two weeks ago) link

yeah maybe? they were definitely massive and had top 10 hits. but they seem to be doing something different to the stuff I like so I'm not sure it's just some kind of ew no too mainstream thing

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:30 (two weeks ago) link

I am living this thread right now though, just now I was listening to Vio-lence (80s thrash metal) now I'm listening to Cadenaxo (hardcore punk from this year)

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:33 (two weeks ago) link

one of the bands that got a lot of my punk/hardcore friends and i into metal was Power Trip (RIP Riley Gale)

flopson, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:33 (two weeks ago) link

Power Trip were great, I never saw them but I love that crossover sound and that guy seemed to be such an all round dude, it's really sad

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:35 (two weeks ago) link

I definitely feel like the premise of this is weird, esp. now and I feel like anyone (in America at least) born after say, 1976, is going to have grown up with popular bands that fuse punk and metal, which makes it difficult to even define in musical terms, which leaves us either with sub-genre affiliation or social ones.

sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:38 (two weeks ago) link

like I remember seeing Nirvana in early 1991, and thinking, as a 16 year-old wearing my favorite joy division t-shirt and punk jacket and combat boots, "wow, I like this metal band!" ... but then apparently they were also considered "punk" (i.e. The Year That Punk Broke).

sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:40 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, totally.xp

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:42 (two weeks ago) link

hmm. I mean I was born in 1976 but I never thought Nirvana were metal

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:43 (two weeks ago) link

I hadn't heard of them before -- they were the opening band at a rare 16+ club night I went to a few months after I turned 16 lol.

sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:45 (two weeks ago) link

serious answer is even through the 90s to me metal seemed to be a totally different scene to punk/indie whether that was in my head or in reality, it was this other thing

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:45 (two weeks ago) link

not saying there weren't differences -- just like, the music that is "popular" like ... what you'd hear on the radio or see on MTV as say, a 13 year old ... the music that was "metal" and the music that was "punk" had intermingled more in the 90s onward than say prior to that? idk again, maybe American thing.

sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:49 (two weeks ago) link

actually, I think I'm just gonna walk that back and stick to the i don't know and "it really depends on how you define each one" position.

sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:50 (two weeks ago) link

though i stick to my assertion about skateboarding as a factor in the intermingling.

sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:51 (two weeks ago) link

no I think we did have that here but I think more towards the end of the decade, and probably not really stuff I was into tbh

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:53 (two weeks ago) link

nirvana were seen by kerrang readers as metal (except by the people who didnt like them)

indie weekly mags saw them as indie. Manic Street Preachers also straddled both. As did anything grunge really.

Wasnt til later really that rock/metal were seen as separate things.

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:53 (two weeks ago) link

your punk knowledge is very impressive to me, Colonel, just fyi ... like, seriously, I bow down

sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:54 (two weeks ago) link

It wasn't exactly uncommon for folk to have sabbath,zep,purple, pistols, ramones, metallica, killing joke, megadeth, the cult, the mission, sisters of mercy, ac/dc,motorhead,maiden, whitesnake ,priest, slayer, janes addiction and nirvana in their collections.

esp when bands like metallica and megadeth played punk songs live

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:57 (two weeks ago) link

colonel poo is the daddy

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:57 (two weeks ago) link

i forgot faith no more in that list.

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:58 (two weeks ago) link

and g n' r

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:59 (two weeks ago) link

skid row covering ramones got a few of my younger pals into them actually.

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 02:02 (two weeks ago) link

Infact I can pinpoint the moment young kids stopped listening to the older heavy rock bands here. It was nu metal where anything traditional was seen as old fashioned.

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 02:03 (two weeks ago) link

I remember seeing Jello Biafra speak in 2000. He praised someone in the crowd for having the 'courage' to wear a Metallica T-shirt with a punk spiked jacket. It seemed strange to me bc I had never known anyone who wore spiked jackets that disliked Metallica.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 September 2020 02:09 (two weeks ago) link

I think Megadeth's version of "Anarchy in the UK" might have been the first one I heard.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 September 2020 02:10 (two weeks ago) link

i think Motley Crue covered it too?

Oor Neechy, Sunday, 6 September 2020 02:16 (two weeks ago) link

fwiw I saw Jello Biafra speak in 2015 and he criticized the staff at 924 Gilman for losing the actual vinyl record of "Little Marcie sings to ($1.98) Children" and only having the album sleeve lying around ... it is a classic album of the creepy christian ventriloquist genre tbh.

sarahell, Sunday, 6 September 2020 03:12 (two weeks ago) link

Creepy Christian ventiloquists are p metal.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 September 2020 03:24 (two weeks ago) link

My rule of thumb: are the vocals obnoxious? If the answer is an unqualified 'yes', then it's punk.

pomenitul, Monday, 14 September 2020 20:52 (one week ago) link


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