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A thread of his own! (At least I couldn't find one general-purpose.)

I remain baffled as to how Dave Longstreth and his jaw-droppingly brilliant "The Getty Address" went missing from so many year-end lists. Is it slipping radars because it defies categorization? Even in this hyphen-heavy age of exponentially splintering subgenres? I mean, WHAT, in fact, is this shit? Or rather, where on the spectrum of "psychedelic music" does it slot?

Cuz I gots no idea. Operatic but seemingly improvised, glitchy but organic, at times disorientingly slick but first primitive, a smarty-pants kayak paddling Downs-syndrome.... Naming another record so relentlessly experimental in the SERVICE of its hooks is a real battle. If pressed: Medulla...Vision Creation Newsun...Trout Mask Replica?

Where is the christforsaken LOVE, etc., etc.

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Saturday, 14 January 2006 21:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

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Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Sunday, 15 January 2006 20:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

So...yeah.

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Sunday, 15 January 2006 20:16 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i really love this guy's music...i agree it's really hard to categorize and that's probably why it slipped under most people's radar, and i think maybe the fact that it's a bit too of the composer-ly (dave longstreth studied composition at yale i think?) for pop-experimental (say animal collective?) fans, but too many organic-pop elements for the classical fans?

looks like he has some shows coming up in jan/feb that i will have to try to find the time for.

bell labs (bell_labs), Sunday, 15 January 2006 20:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Surprising how little I've read about this albums considering how many people I know who love it.

I know, right?, Sunday, 15 July 2007 16:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ILX is eerily quiet about DP. The new album of Black Flag covers was fun live but I suspect it'll get old quite quickly. The Getty Address is really great though, and I'd probably buy anything with Longstreth singing on it.

ogmor, Friday, 20 July 2007 21:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I was just about to post on this again, just for the hell of it. I don't know why I do this to myself.

I know, right?, Friday, 20 July 2007 21:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

??

jaxon, Monday, 17 September 2007 05:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

this is weird

jaxon, Monday, 17 September 2007 05:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

hstencil, Monday, 17 September 2007 05:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

really? i've only heard one song

jaxon, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

really twisted afro pop

jaxon, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

please don't bring black people into this whiter-than-white music.

hstencil, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i heard this. http://thankscity.com/jams/fraid/07_Gimme_Gimme_Gimme.mp3 (link might be down in next day or so)

i guess the guitar could be interpreted as either south african jive filtered through animal collective and that dogg (?) or maybe like a really poppy version of Storm & Stress.

why don't you like it?

jaxon, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you honestly wrote that second sentence in your post and then followed it up with the question "why don't you like it?" and can't figure out the incongruity between the two?

i mean seriously, even discounting the black flag "connection," that description sounds like music i'd never want to hear.

hstencil, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

that song is great. i don't know anything about afropop or any of that but i dig this song. nice clean gtr tone and the playing has a nice buttery feel. i jumped a little bit when the drum splatters came in for the first time
xp

6335, Monday, 17 September 2007 06:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the black flag "connection" is the last reason i'd listen to this. the that dogg thing is probably the worst part of the description and i've only ever heard like 2 animal collective songs (and the latest panda bear album which is kinda neat). i used to really like storm and stress. i think we might have different tastes.

jaxon, Monday, 17 September 2007 07:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also, i have to ask: joel, did you even listen to that song or are you basing your descriptions on some other factors?

jaxon, Monday, 17 September 2007 07:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i've heard this whole album already, jaxon, as well as previous albums by them. i don't like what i've heard.

i liked s&s's two records but a "poppy version" of them sounds weak.

and animal collective = they might be giants. fuck that.

hstencil, Monday, 17 September 2007 07:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://www.daytrotter.com/download/311/id=383

woe, he's playing his guitar upside down

ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS ERUPTING IN BACHATA AND REGGAETON !

in four thousand years rise above #1 will just be a footnote in the backstories for rise above #2 and Johnny Mnemonic

tramp steamer, Thursday, 27 September 2007 05:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i don't actually think i like this :-/

jaxon, Thursday, 27 September 2007 06:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

given the album one listen so far. entirely baffled, i must say. what the hell is it?

CharlieNo4, Friday, 28 September 2007 09:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I haven't heard this but the Getty Address was fantastic. Especially Jolly Jolly Jolly Ego. It sounds like him and a choir of dodgy tape players.

I know, right?, Friday, 28 September 2007 10:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Not sure about Dirty Projectors. I enjoyed watching the aztec-intensive dvd of the Getty Address but all their stuff seems to wear thin once you get the hang of it.

ogmor, Friday, 28 September 2007 13:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I just got Getty Address. I like it so far, although it feels a bit too conscious of what it's doing at times. Better than Animal Collective, for sure.

Hurting 2, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i really like this band, but lately the lyrics really bug me. not even his weird singing voice, just the lyrics themselves. the rest of it is so meticulous and then that part is just kind of phoned in...

bell_labs, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It has a bit of that same Dr. Spock baby "look what an eclectic, self-expressive genius I am" thing that annoys me about Animal Collective

Hurting 2, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you could call it just *being* an eclectic, self-expressive genius.

vadx, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

sorry i am not an easy-to-categorize average artist

mizzell, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

wait, are you Dave Longstreth?

Hurting 2, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

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Hurting 2, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

no, i have never even heard this band, i just get tired of the criticism of people being too aware or consious of how they sound. are some people making a record by accident?

mizzell, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah

how is being conscious of your sound a bad thing?

talk about cockism

vadx, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah, i'd take overly composed music over another sloppy jam band anyday.

bell_labs, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't necessarily mean it's over-composed

Hurting 2, Friday, 5 October 2007 19:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I know.

Really though, I think the "look at me!" with acts like this is more in the listener who's threatened by like the flamboyant content or something.

I mean wouldn't saying a rapper gave off the vibe "lok at me, I'm an eclectic self-expressive genius" usually be a compliment?

vadx, Friday, 5 October 2007 20:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i listened to some of this. i didn't even get the black flag thing at all. sometimes stuff like this seems like it was written with a press release first, just to bait rock writers, then do the album after it.

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 5 October 2007 20:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

there's also the possibility that people WANT to make music that sounds different

not that this is the differentest band ever... but compared to a good deal of indie rock they are

vadx, Friday, 5 October 2007 22:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i really like this band, but lately the lyrics really bug me. not even his weird singing voice, just the lyrics themselves. the rest of it is so meticulous and then that part is just kind of phoned in...

wait the black flag part of the lyrics ?

tramp steamer, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

uhh what? not all of their songs are black flag covers...i haven't even listened to the one that is

bell_labs, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

err the one album that is. i was mostly talking about getty address and the glad fact.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

When I saw them live I kept thinking "Jesus, shut that guy up and let the girls sing." Then I got a promo of the album (whatever one was before the Black Flag thing) and kept thinking, "Oh, you precious fuck, shut the hell up and let the girls sing."

I eat cannibals, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh, and to answer the years-old question: No, the reason that no one wrote about this is not because it was too complicated. It was because if you like complicated music, this is disappointing and if you like poppy music, this is annoying. It hits the same dilettante weirdness level as Animal Collective.

I eat cannibals, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i'm kind of afraid to listen to the black flag covers.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 00:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

<i>i'm kind of afraid to listen to the black flag covers.</i>

You should be...it's awful stuff.

kwhitehead, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 01:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I mean wouldn't saying a rapper gave off the vibe "lok at me, I'm an eclectic self-expressive genius" usually be a compliment?

-- vadx, Friday, October 5, 2007 4:06 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Link

http://a50.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/57/l_0b1d00fb0cbac50784cbdde0b6718d59.jpg

NO

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 02:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

C'mon, ILM! No love for Rise Above? This is a kick-ass record.

call all destroyer, Friday, 7 December 2007 18:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah, I played Six Pack on my radio show about a month ago.
Really cool.

Trip Maker, Friday, 7 December 2007 18:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

i'm revisiting this now (it's getting a whole lot of love around montreal, randomly) and i've decided it's great. more the beginning than the end, though, i think.

sean gramophone, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Rise Above" is the best thing on it.

Simon H., Friday, 18 January 2008 22:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Call all destroyer - I haven’t slept all night so nope

Tosser full of secrets (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:12 (one year ago) Permalink

angel deradoorian was a huge part of the change in sound too but i don't think anyone is losing sleep about the fact that she's not in the band anymore.

― call all destroyer, Friday, May 4, 2018 7:00 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is true (sorry angel)

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:16 (one year ago) Permalink

fgti generally otm

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:17 (one year ago) Permalink

Right this is what I'm talking about, I mean it's very much at least open to that reading. Also, I think it's ok to have songs in which the narrator sounds like a dick. It's also an example of why I dislike the word "problematic"--it becomes this way of blurring the space in between just being a bit of a jerk and being racist, misogynistic etc., an inconclusive innuendo that make something "not ok" without quite having to justify why.

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, May 4, 2018 2:44 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't like that line read either way really, if it's him saying it, or him putting those words in someone else's mouth. The main thing I dislike about that song is that it's boring by the standards DL has set. There are some great moments on that record though.

I thought "problematic" was the right word to use because it's just used as an ill-defined red flag for a huge range of types of behaviour generate online criticism, from really serious shit to writing a (possibly/somewhat) mean-spirited song about one's ex -- the fact that they get bundled together is a bigger conversation. I think there's some fairly nuanced discussion of the record on this thread. I think it gets less bitter as it goes along, finishing with the sentiments in Cool Your Heart and I See You.

But yeah... there are couple of real clunkers dropped in it.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:21 (one year ago) Permalink

Are bitter breakup songs toxic masculinity now?

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, May 3, 2018 10:49 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

toxic masculinity and bitter breakup stuff (songs, art, or otherwise) have been intertwined since the beginning of time, this isn't some ~*social justice*~ invention

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:40 (one year ago) Permalink

angel deradoorian was a huge part of the change in sound too but i don't think anyone is losing sleep about the fact that she's not in the band anymore.

Deradoorian released much more interesting music over the last few years than Dirty Projectors.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:44 (one year ago) Permalink

katherine otm, way better answer than mine

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:48 (one year ago) Permalink

Katherine hitting it out the park

Tosser full of secrets (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 15:27 (one year ago) Permalink

[*hockets*] She she takes takes just just like like a a woman woman, yes yes

we æt so many shimripl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 4 May 2018 15:34 (one year ago) Permalink

that song is actually misogynistic though

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 4 May 2018 15:57 (one year ago) Permalink

I mean, for me, the bottom line is I'm not a fan of Dave's singing voice and the way to get me on board is not to add proportionally more of his voice

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 4 May 2018 16:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Otm

Sounds like he swallowed some
Marbles. Devendra Barnhart shit

Main man (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 16:01 (one year ago) Permalink

New Attitude and Getty Address are fantastic records. My wife feels the same about his singing voice fwiw.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 4 May 2018 16:02 (one year ago) Permalink

Your wife is otm

Main man (Ross), Friday, 4 May 2018 16:04 (one year ago) Permalink

big fan of his voice. marmite stuff though, obviously. i enjoy the shameless abandon with which he exposes it on the early stuff.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 4 May 2018 16:36 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Saw them tonight and was kind of let down. Longstreth seems a bit creatively spent, like he’s just coasting on the past. New band is serviceable but not very exciting.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 4 June 2018 01:00 (one year ago) Permalink

They’re touring? Totally forgot about new record & the (really catchy & good imo) single. That’s a drag. He seemed bored?

flappy bird, Monday, 4 June 2018 01:16 (one year ago) Permalink

It was a festival in NYC so not sure they’re touring. I mean he had some good presence I just felt like the band was trying to recreate past sounds and playing the hits. Nothing was really done in an interesting new way.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 4 June 2018 01:28 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah I can see that, the single kinda made me think Bitte Orca 2 (not that I minded, though I liked the s/t).

flappy bird, Monday, 4 June 2018 02:05 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah he had two new female singers that seem like they were very much hired specifically because they could do the Angel and Amber parts, and I find it kind of boring to just recreate that sound (even on the old material) rather than just do something new with it

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 4 June 2018 03:04 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah that blows. so vegas / state fair

flappy bird, Monday, 4 June 2018 04:32 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9__9oOkq2c

flappy bird, Thursday, 14 June 2018 16:57 (one year ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

really enjoying the new record. those two tracks they had released before had really wormed their way into my head. feels like he took some of the good stuff from the s/t record (brass arrangements and interesting percussion) and left behind the painful lyrics

in twelve parts (lamonti), Friday, 13 July 2018 14:14 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Loving this album so much

Davey D, Monday, 16 July 2018 05:45 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I love the new live show. Dave is more charismatic than I've ever seen him, all the new songs are amazing, the band is amazing, I was floored. My only two criticisms were "this is not the best use of the singer of Ava Luna's time because her own band is easily as good as this" and the fact that they played "Keep Your Name"

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 16 July 2018 13:53 (eleven months ago) Permalink

extremely otm about ava luna. kinda looking forward to checking this out now though

princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 16 July 2018 14:02 (eleven months ago) Permalink

It doesn't make up for the ugliness on the last one, but I do like that it kinda seems from the start that he realized he has kinda been an asshole lately:

I don't know how I'm going to be a better man
I don't know how I'm going to reach the Promised Land
I don't know how I'm going to get you to take my hand
But I'm going to try and I know when

Now (now)
Right now (now)
Right now (now)
Right now (now)
Right now, now (now)
Right now, now (now)
Right now, now (now)
Right now

Frederik B, Monday, 16 July 2018 14:05 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Yeah it was really weird and great to see Dave having fun and looking like a real frontman

It's interesting, at all times I have an at-arms-length approach to songwriting and producing, deliberately, and I even play it up, and somewhat cheekily refer to people I work with as "clients", and the music we make as "product", which seems like I might be trying to be demeaning, but it's actually, literally me-trying-to-disconnect this inherently dangerous idea that creativity is linked somehow to "self-expression"-- that is, that the songs that one sings and/or writes are done so out of necessity, instead of out of intentionality. You don't have to write a shitty song about your ex-lover and to claim that there is some kind of therapeutic need for that song to exist is false. You have a job and that job is to create useable sonic material, not to use a "tortured artist" model to be shady to your exes.

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 16 July 2018 14:10 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Sorry lol I just woke up

I really like the new line-up and I really was upset about that last album

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 16 July 2018 14:11 (eleven months ago) Permalink

A song doesn't need to be 'about' something, a song IS something.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 16 July 2018 14:40 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i'm pleasantly surprised by how good this is, he's playing to his strengths again and most importantly not coming across as a total asshole the entire time

ufo, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:10 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Xpost I mean some of us do write shitty songs about our ex lovers and it is genuinely therapeutic but we don't have to release them.

This is deer

Minister of the Pillow (fionnland), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:50 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I think I meant some general term of positivity but I'm a few beers in shrug

Minister of the Pillow (fionnland), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:51 (eleven months ago) Permalink

it's 3 in the afternoon

flappy bird, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:53 (eleven months ago) Permalink

not everywhere

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:58 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i know i know...

flappy bird, Monday, 16 July 2018 19:39 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Shouldn’t be surprised at lack of press/enthusiasm/hype for a new DP album but I am. Boy that s/t really did a number on their brand for lack of a better word

flappy bird, Monday, 16 July 2018 19:40 (eleven months ago) Permalink

And I know he got a lot of bad press for it but damn Longstreth should be thanking his lucky stars every day that it didn’t come out after October 2017

flappy bird, Monday, 16 July 2018 19:41 (eleven months ago) Permalink

this is really great. enjoying the absence of uncomfortable lyrics.

Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 16 July 2018 22:34 (eleven months ago) Permalink

I think this might be his best album, it feels so summery and pop, and I love the brass arrangements. I really was not expecting this at all, it's such a turnaround from the last one

even ignoring the ugly lyrics, the last album was a fairly tuneless mess - I'd only really keep Little Bubble and Cool Your Heart from it

ufo, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 05:30 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Up in Hudson was great, too. Keep Your Name also gets stuck in my head a lot still.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 05:52 (eleven months ago) Permalink

Keep forgetting to bump this thread and say that I think Lamp Lit Prose is fucking great and easily the best thing they've ever done besides Bitte Orca. The perfect move to make after the 2017 s/t.

flappy bird, Monday, 30 July 2018 00:33 (ten months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBpL1t8IK0E

I Feel Energy is the standout for me but I really love the whole thing, kinda surprised by the negative reception it's been getting elsewhere

ufo, Monday, 30 July 2018 02:54 (ten months ago) Permalink


kinda surprised by the negative reception it's been getting elsewhere

While I have read one or two extremely negative reviews for it, it seems like it's generally getting 4/5 off most people: http://www.metacritic.com/music/lamp-lit-prose/dirty-projectors

Maybe some negativity (or rather, indifference) toward it has to do with either a latent reaction to the s/t record or the general peak-2009-ness of DPs

Been listening to it a lot myself and finding it surprising how home-made it sounds, by which I mean that it's largely acoustic guitar/drums right at the centre of the songs and it feels like a lineage (in a recording/production sense) back to the really early DPs records is evident. Was surprised to see in the track credits that Dave is basically playing absolutely everything on the tracks.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Monday, 30 July 2018 06:18 (ten months ago) Permalink

Love this album to death; too many standout tracks to list. My only complaint is that "Zombie Conqueror" --> "Blue Bird" can feel like a bit of a slog if I'm not in the right mood... I don't know whether those two actually repeat their hooks any more often than e.g. "I Feel Energy" or "I Found It In U" or "Right Now", but they *feel* more repetitive.

Oh yeah, and some of the lyrics on "Break-Thru" are a bit cringey (but I like Dave even when he's cringey, he seems to come by it honestly).

bernard snowy, Monday, 30 July 2018 13:14 (ten months ago) Permalink

While there are moments here that remind me of Prince (esp. the squeaky-clean funk guitar, falsetto wailing, & vocal harmonies of "I Feel Energy"), I played the album for my father & he made the much more apt comparison to Squeeze

bernard snowy, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 11:53 (ten months ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

I got super into Ava Luna thanks to a tiny mention on this thread. They're playing the UK next week but seem to have almost zero profile here (Manchester date just been cancelled and changed to Cardiff - £6.50 a ticket!). Wish there was a thread for them but I don't really have the ILM juice or a ton of insights to offer. Except to say that, if I had created Ice Level (the music + the video), I'd expect the world to be fundamentally altered within 24hrs of uploading it to YouTube, not just 83k views in six years.

Supposed Former ILM Lurker (WeWantMiles), Monday, 10 June 2019 11:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ava luna rules

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 10 June 2019 12:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ava Luna are one of the best bands imo

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 11 June 2019 03:47 (one week ago) Permalink

They've never got any play or promotion in Europe whatsoever.

in twelve parts (lamonti), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 05:44 (one week ago) Permalink


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