GROUPER "Way Their Crept" --- CONTACT

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Please, i'm looking for a link or an e-mail address in order to contact Liz Harris (aka Grouper) for an interview. Indeed, i'd like to write a portait of this artist and her wonderful album published by the label Free Porcupine Society... First, i contacted this label but no reply...


Matt B (aerial1), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 11:02 (fourteen years ago) link

I really love this album. Liz' personal e-mail is right there in the liner notes, though (you downloader)

ysi for 'black out' I posted last week to noise ysi is still up

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Uh, a friend of mine is sending me a mixtape song by song and "Disengaged" by Grouper just came on, obliterating all songs of this year before it. What is known of this "GROUPER"?

Z S, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 05:12 (eleven years ago) link

Friends description: "Liz Harris is from Poland, and she's got a few musical projects that run the gamut from spacey Hope Sandoval type music to this, a combination of drone soundscapes and lo-fi broken east-european folk. That description is a misnomer - think folk and you imagine exactly what Grouper is not. This music has more in common with the Microphones than Devendra Banhart, and her real draw isn't her mastery of narrative po-dunk lyrics - it's her soul-melting, beautiful ethereal voice and her ear for incredibly moody - albeit lo-fi - recording aesthetics. Imagine one of the Deheza twins becoming obsessed with fuzz pedals and dark psychedelia. As Grouper, she's begun to manipulate her voice in the same manner that she does every other recorded instrument on her projects. On this first song from her newest album, her voice follows hand in hand the melody of the rhodes-come-blown-out-leslie. I can't tell what she's saying, and it truely does not make a difference to me. The atmosphere is beautiful, her voice is beautiful, and the emotions she is conveying - terrible though they must be - are beautiful as well."

Z S, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 05:13 (eleven years ago) link

she's from Portland, not Poland

resolved, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 08:22 (eleven years ago) link

Here you go:

Looks like she logged in today.

We are so lucky to have her here. I've seen some really great (and always unassuming) sets from her in coffee shops, in the park...

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 09:24 (eleven years ago) link

Love Grouper. New album is ace. Can't wait to get the vinyl.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:38 (eleven years ago) link

New album is brilliant. Up there with Inca Ore's release, my best release of the year so far (I think).

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:03 (eleven years ago) link

YES! I'm really digging the new one. I loved it so much that I bought a couple of her previous releases. Can't wait to get them in the mail.

Bill in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 14:28 (eleven years ago) link

high praise from this review:

foxy digitalis : reviews: Grouper "Dragging a Dead Deer Up a Hill"

"This is an amazing album that will most likely remain a highlight release for the year. " 10/10

djmartian, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 15:28 (eleven years ago) link

'grouper' CDR EP - (heavier noiser mixes of her first recordings, most of these were remixed for the first album)
'way their crept' LP - still my favorite, her harmonies & the absurd levels of tape delay bury the songs but the songs are still there
'he knows he knows he knows' EP - like the 1st LP, just as great
'wide' LP - follows on from the first LP, heavier & spacier and more intense, maybe a less instantly memorable group of songs but I need to go back and check
'flashlights: eckords' - collaboration with violinist jorge boehringer, very very very spaced
xiu xiu vs. grouper - 'creepshow' - haven't heard
'cover the windows and walls' EP - only have mp3s of this so haven't spent as much time with it -- never even saw this in stores, but it's songs
'dragging a dead deer up a hill' LP - this is going to do very well for her, she's pulled back on the delays but everything still sounds covered in silt and her songwriting has taken a jump forward

she's one to watch

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 18:00 (eleven years ago) link

Ok, I finally listened to the rest of the songs for the first time, and yes, they're all great. Not enough have just straight up said "What a graceful voice", and they should. This is peaceful death music, I love it.

I predict I will post about this again on August 3rd of this year, because that's the day I finally get back home. And when I arrive, there's going to be a small pile of her records because I'm going to have to drunkenly order a good half of those LPs and EPs Milton just mentioned. Not the Xiu Xiu one, though.

Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:26 (eleven years ago) link

I'm going to save the S-word too - Slowdive. This wouldn't be out of place on Pygmalion.

Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:28 (eleven years ago) link

I will also say it.

Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:39 (eleven years ago) link

If this was a dude, you wouldn't care

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:43 (eleven years ago) link

Well, at least I still get to care about something, which is a nice consolation prize.

Z S, Monday, 23 June 2008 06:50 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Yeah, still fucking awesome.
This is off the newest one:

Heavy Water/I'd Rather be Sleeping

and I have two other (better) songs from Dragging a Dead Deer up a Hill here:

And this is a little older.

Z S, Saturday, 19 July 2008 07:02 (eleven years ago) link

got new lp in the other day

Herman G. Neuname, Saturday, 19 July 2008 10:29 (eleven years ago) link

I missed buying that Dragging A Dead Deer album, can't find it anywhere. Any leads?

sleeve, Saturday, 19 July 2008 17:12 (eleven years ago) link

Z S, Monday, 21 July 2008 06:05 (eleven years ago) link

There's a dude here in Portland who's just as good as Grouper. His project is called Dragging An Ox Through Water.

Nate Carson, Monday, 21 July 2008 09:22 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

Finally got the new one today...So amazing. Like, one of the best things I've heard all year. Its been a long time since I've been able to just sit down and let an album wash over me, but this has done it. "Stuck" in particular just makes me swoon. The melodies on this are amazing! I just ordered the re-release of the split with Inca Ore from Aquarius. Can't wait.

jonathan - stl, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:07 (eleven years ago) link

Is very good, that new one.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:10 (eleven years ago) link

what is it called?

sleeve, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:12 (eleven years ago) link

"Dragging A Dead Deer Up A Hill"

Best album title ever too!!!

jonathan - stl, Tuesday, 30 September 2008 02:14 (eleven years ago) link

I just ordered the re-release of the split with Inca Ore from Aquarius. Can't wait.

Have you got it yet? Is it good? Did you order it from her website? How much was it?

Yeah, I'm still really, really into the new one. It only sounds better as it gets colder and more leaves fall off the trees.

Z S, Sunday, 5 October 2008 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...


czn (cozwn), Wednesday, 10 December 2008 13:09 (eleven years ago) link

vaguely recall a mention on ILX and an Inca Ore connection (blown away Ms. Saelens live recently, her LP one of few sweet spots of '08 for me)...

must investigate further!

also, this Grouper LP punching well above it's weight in obscurity here

fandango, Sunday, 14 December 2008 08:26 (eleven years ago) link

The inca ore and grouper split is from 2007. It's ok, sort of a bridge between her first records and the minimalistic approach of guitar/voice style that she used on 'dragging a dead dear'.

Moka, Sunday, 14 December 2008 09:10 (eleven years ago) link

Moka, Sunday, 14 December 2008 09:11 (eleven years ago) link

Has anybody deciphered the lyrics to 'heavy water/I'd rather be sleeping'? - so far I can only make up: 'love is enormous / it's lifting me up / i'd rather be sleeping / i'd rather fall in your tidal waves / right where the deepest currents pull'

Moka, Monday, 22 December 2008 07:25 (eleven years ago) link

this album ! :-O

really really good.

fandango, Monday, 22 December 2008 22:33 (eleven years ago) link

If this was a dude, you wouldn't care

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, June 23, 2008 2:43 AM

(Z S) (Z S), Monday, 22 December 2008 22:42 (eleven years ago) link

If she was a dude she would still be 1000x more interesting than Fleet Fuxxes

fandango, Monday, 22 December 2008 22:46 (eleven years ago) link

^^real talk. 'Dead Deer' is on my top ten list of the year, but I don't know what she looks like (if looks are what's implied). And well, imagining the vocals as coming from a he, well that's just silly.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 22 December 2008 23:17 (eleven years ago) link

btw, I wasn't quoting that as in "I agree with this", I was quoting that as in

(Z S) (Z S), Monday, 22 December 2008 23:58 (eleven years ago) link

I want to say something about how this album unfolds it's pleasures like a flower, at about the same speed, without it sounding dirty.

Possibly the most gorgously intimate and non "produced" sounding thing I've heard all year too. She might as well be in the room.

fandango, Sunday, 28 December 2008 23:03 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

This goes down well with a copy of Chris Ware's graphic novel The Smartest Kid on Earth and my Mom's fried boneless fish.

dreamsonvhs, Saturday, 11 April 2009 07:34 (eleven years ago) link

If this was a dude, you wouldn't care

Plenty of us care about Sonic Boom!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 11 April 2009 09:06 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I picked this up on a whim today from amazon's mp3 store, where it's on sale for $1.99. It's remarkably gorgeous!

Euler, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:53 (eleven years ago) link

by "this" I mean the Dragging a Dead Deer album

Euler, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:53 (eleven years ago) link

Deeply amused by "fart alert"

Shannon Whirry & the Bad Brains, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 16:55 (eleven years ago) link

That's a damn good price (I paid $14.99 retail) and almost makes me want to switch over to buying in digital format... but not really. xpost

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 17:41 (eleven years ago) link

That's exactly my sentiment, ilxor. But if a crazy low price like that leads to more people getting into her music, it's all for the better. She deserves it.

Gerard (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 17:44 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

Baffling, pointless review on Tinymixtapes of the live show:

The show is sold out, but most fans are waiting to pile in after the opening act, Grouper — a one-woman showcase of bullshit. Imagine Enya making airport symphonies for hipsters. I try to salvage something from the fuzzy reverb and her long, lonely wails, but I can’t stop picturing her masturbating in front of a full-length mirror. Self-indulgence, indeed.

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 04:12 (ten years ago) link

...but you write for

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Friday, 12 June 2009 04:14 (ten years ago) link


original bgm, Friday, 12 June 2009 16:38 (ten years ago) link

...but you write for

Really? That's news to me!

I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:14 (ten years ago) link

if you're going to choose such an ambiguous username...

suggestzybandias (jim), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:16 (ten years ago) link

Hahaha, no no, that was meant as a response to the reviewer, for some reason. I saw my comment this morning and wondered what the hell I was talking about, because I don't really have any beef with

That AOL sonned thread has me thinking about who I do and do not have beefs with today.

ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Z S), Friday, 12 June 2009 18:21 (ten years ago) link

this is very ambient even by her standards, only "Cloudmouth" really resembles her usual work

not really sure what the intention is for Walking In A Spiral Towards the House to be mostly repeats of tracks from After Its Own Death, only track that isn't is the alternate version of "Thirteen"

ufo, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:41 (one year ago) link

i haven't made it to the second LP yet, but i was assuming they'd be different versions of the tracks that appeared on the first LP? i'm really enjoying the vibraphones on 'night-walking' and 'funeral song' so far.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:43 (one year ago) link

they're all the same except "thirteen" which swaps out the guitars on the first LP's version for more of the vibraphones that are everywhere else

ufo, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:49 (one year ago) link

oh, bummer! well, i'll cross that road when i get to it (in about 20 minutes)

sounds like you weren't a fan of it, overall? i have to say, i'm really really enjoying the first side of LP1, but i also like super ambient stuff.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:54 (one year ago) link

but yeah, i could understand the criticism that it's just a bunch of super reverbed out vibraphones. it is that, a lot of the time. i must admit that i played percussion in middle/high school, and i always really enjoyed my time after school, by myself, just holding down the vibraphone pedal and playing lots of chords in a row. i would do that for a really long time, just playing chords and listening to them slowly dissipate. a lot of this kind of brings me back into that happy zone, but it probably wouldn't have that effect on everyone

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 04:57 (one year ago) link

i think it'll be pretty nice music to fall asleep to but nothing much more than that for me. the second LP being mostly a condensed version of the first is a weird choice but looking as it as "two slightly different versions of the same thing" rather than "one album across two LPs" is how i'm trying to understand it

ufo, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:04 (one year ago) link

yeah, i'm listening to the second LP now and i see what you mean. it's kinda weird, because even if i end up preferring the versions of the songs which appear on the second LP, they appear without the context of the other songs that appear on the first LP, which i also enjoy.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:19 (one year ago) link

re: it being more ambient than her usual work - how close is it to Dream Loss? I ordered the record and am going to wait to listen.

flappy bird, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:33 (one year ago) link

"Cloudmouth" is pretty similar to Dream Loss but a pretty significant part of the album is indeed a lot of super reverbed out vibraphones, without her usual vocals.

I think the "Thirteen" on the second LP might just be a fragment of the longer version on the first? the second LP seems to just collect all the echoey vibraphone tracks together in one place

ufo, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:49 (one year ago) link

that's an interesting comparison to make...

it's less distorted than dream loss, more clear, less reverb and echo. the instrumentation is much more limited - most of it is just vibraphones, with occasional guitar. there's not much singing on it, other than the first track and a few seconds at the very end. the tracks run together, so it pretty much plays as one long piece (repeated in abridged form on the second LP). i think it's more ambient in the eno sense of blending into the background. i need to listen to it again, obviously, but i can already imagine that i will play it as music for writing or making stuff.


Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:52 (one year ago) link

sounds cool! very curious about her working with vibraphones

flappy bird, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:52 (one year ago) link

i guess, yeah, it is super reverbed out vibraphones. but dream loss (and so much of grouper's music) is SUPER reverbed out, so it seems more direct and clear to me in comparison.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 February 2019 05:54 (one year ago) link

anyone recognize this song?

flappy bird, Saturday, 9 February 2019 07:15 (one year ago) link

new helen when

J. Sam, Saturday, 9 February 2019 22:19 (one year ago) link

wow flappy, that song is gorgeous. sounds kind of like "Water People" but darker

J. Sam, Saturday, 9 February 2019 22:23 (one year ago) link

I was at that (incredibly excellent) show. Not my video; glad someone got it.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 9 February 2019 22:28 (one year ago) link

I had to stop listening to Grouper when I realized how many creeps there are out there whose entire personality consists of “listens to Grouper”

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 10 February 2019 15:51 (one year ago) link

I have yet to meet a Grouper groupie

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Sunday, 10 February 2019 15:57 (one year ago) link

You are fortunate

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 10 February 2019 16:59 (one year ago) link

lol. they can't all be bad

calumy (rip van wanko), Sunday, 10 February 2019 17:47 (one year ago) link

Only takes a couple to really spoil it! That said, this new album is refreshing in its pivot away from obscurantism-- "Grid Of Points" made me wonder if she was gradually moving toward entire albums of untouched, unprocessed single-take field recordings. Not the case! I don't know if I like this Nivhek thing more or less than the more clouded stuff but it's definitely good good good

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 10 February 2019 21:12 (one year ago) link

the Helen album is really good

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Sunday, 10 February 2019 21:18 (one year ago) link

Love the Helen album as much as the late 80s early 90s indie pop it resembles

Evan, Monday, 11 February 2019 01:10 (one year ago) link

always happy to have new music from Liz but i hope someday we get a new Mirrorring album

alpine static, Monday, 11 February 2019 02:18 (one year ago) link

First listen and I'm IN in a big way.

Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:37 (one year ago) link

anyone know the set time for Friday’s show. billed as an afterparty, but doors at 7:30?

by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:44 (one year ago) link

oh this new one is excellent.

calzino, Thursday, 14 February 2019 15:51 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

....... this is tight

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 March 2019 06:08 (one year ago) link

I keep forgetting I'm listening to Grouper because I'm not

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 March 2019 06:08 (one year ago) link

the show in chicago a few weeks ago, at the athletic association, was so, so good. first time i saw her play live. i went in expecting a great show and was still still unexpectedly blown away. she played a new song, an acoustic/reverb one in line with D a D D up a H, that i'm guessing flappy b referenced or posted above somewhere, that was on par with the best of her work

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 March 2019 06:20 (one year ago) link

I'm glad I listened to the black record first. the white record, the 45rpm one, feels like a bonus disc at best but is it the one that's sequenced first in the digital? there are no markings on the LP at all, not even in the runoff grooves (besides her usual aphorisms).

flappy bird, Saturday, 9 March 2019 22:07 (one year ago) link

Hey the vinyl is back on the bandcamp for those that missed it:

Evan, Thursday, 14 March 2019 17:35 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Okay! So I was fortunate enough to interview Liz H about Nivhek -- and I could be wrong but I think this is the only interview she's doing about this project in specific.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 15:37 (eleven months ago) link

That’s one of the best interviews with her that I can recall, thanks!!

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 18:54 (eleven months ago) link

yes great read, thanks ned

flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 19:30 (eleven months ago) link

Thank you both!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 19:58 (eleven months ago) link

performing as Nivhek for a few lucky cities this fall.

Evan, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 15:38 (eleven months ago) link

three months pass...

“I’ve been buying Grouper records for a pretty long time,” Tweedy says of Liz Harris’s opaque experimental project. “There’s real growth from record to record, but she’s been able to maintain this mysterious atmosphere even as some things have become a little more unlocked and a little more accessible.”

“It’s the kind of record that I almost don’t want to know who’s responsible for it,” he laughs. “It’s not presented in a way that makes that a priority. It’s presented with a very limited exposure of identity. It could be a group of aliens that kidnapped a female singer, or any number of things.”

flappy bird, Friday, 4 October 2019 19:51 (eight months ago) link

Previously unreleased 11 minute live recording of "Alien Observer" from October 2009

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 22:27 (seven months ago) link

just FYI AIA: alien observer and AIA: dream loss are being reissued on vinyl by kranky on the 25th of this month

the late great, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 22:43 (seven months ago) link

best album of the decade!

flappy bird, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 23:22 (seven months ago) link

makes me want to pull out my OG “vinyls” and give them a spin. Title cut of Alien Observer is one of my fave tracks.

omar little, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 23:35 (seven months ago) link

two months pass...

Maria Somerville made a beautiful album this year, 'All Our People'. Perchance it's not entirely fair to put this here, but a) I didn't know where else to put it and it's definitely anchored in the Grouper realm, and b) it deserves all the love it can get imo.

Maria Somerville draws on folk forms alongside post-punk, traditional Irish motifs, starry eyed pop and hypnotic drones to create wholly original music that is borne of her roots in Connemara, Western Ireland.

All My People (self-released on 1 March and distributed by Rush Hour), channels the wilderness of the Irish landscape through dense, ethereal soundscapes, bare boned percussion and a heady electronic undertow, interspersed with ghostly vocals that are ever present and all encompassing, like crystalline glints of sunshine peeking through dark stormy clouds.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 19 December 2019 10:04 (five months ago) link

i like this a LOT. wish it wasn't sold out already! i will keep my eyes peeled for new stuff from her!

my 2019 listening is very scattered and shallow, as always, but this would be one of my faves from this year for sure.

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Thursday, 19 December 2019 17:37 (five months ago) link

Hmm, noted!

As for Liz, there's a Nivhek show happening Saturday night here in SF.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 December 2019 17:39 (five months ago) link

Warms the heart that you're enjoying it so much, KM!

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 30 December 2019 15:15 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

For whatever reason, I took against The Man Who Died in His Boat and it turns out - yet more evidence that I don't know shit about anything - that it's fabulous. STS and Living Room as the final 1-2 are Harris in excelsis.

That is my banal 'I've been listening to Grouper today' story.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 16:26 (three months ago) link

i splurged on the split with inca ore on discogs a few days ago - it just came in. man, "poison tree" is soooo good

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Saturday, 7 March 2020 00:01 (two months ago) link

yeah that's a good one, and the Inca Ore side is good as well iirc

sleeve, Saturday, 7 March 2020 00:02 (two months ago) link

oh man, I found that one completely randomly at honest johns in London a few years ago, one of the best record store kismet experiences I've ever had. such a great split and yeah "poison tree" is one of her best.

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:49 (two months ago) link

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