So: what else by the man should I keep my eyes open for or completely ignore?
― doug, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― gareth, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― anthony, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Douglas, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Fairport:
Unhalfbricking Liege and Lief What We Did On Our Holidays (the first three are all pretty essential really) Full House
R<:
I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight Shoot Out the Lights Pour Down Like Silver Hokey Pokey
Solo Rich:
Across a Crowded Room Hand of Kindness Small Town Romance (solo acoustic live--pretty hard to find these days, I think) Daring Adventures
I more or less lost all interest after Amnesia . . .
― lee g, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Robin Carmody, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Joe, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Lord Custos, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― clotion, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― helenfordsdale, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
-Fairport Convention Meet On The Ledge Fotheringhay Sailor’s Life Genesis Hall Who Knows Where The Time Goes Walk Awhile Sloth All of Liege & Leif
-Post FC The Poor Ditching Boy All of I Want To See The Bright Lights Tonight (except The Great Valerio) For Shame Of Doing Wrong Night Comes In The Dimming Of The Day Jet Plane In A Rocking Chair Never Again Calvary Cross (live) Wall Of Death Shoot Out The Lights* Bogie’s Bonnie Belle When The Spell Is Broken* Little Blue Number* From Galway To Graceland Tear Stained Letter 1952 Vincent Black Lightning Feel So Good
+ the lead guitar on Nick Drake’s The Thoughts of Mary Jane (Time Of No Reply version)
(* made it just for the guitar playing)
Sorry for losing the chronology there.
― David, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore, Monday, 4 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andrew L, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
'An introduction to Richard and Linda Thompson' on Island(?) is a good starting place.
― Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― David, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
destroy: i dunno, the rest? mirror blue led to one of bob christgau's best dismissive reviews "i thought she loved me but she didn't--why does this keep happening?"
― fred solinger, Tuesday, 16 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― BLACKOUT '03! (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 21 August 2003 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link
The latest, 'The Old Kit Bag', is incredible, and possibly the best combo of production and songs since 'Shoot Out The Lights'. It's honestly that good.
oh, I love Thompson. oh, and Great Valerio is SO KEY. lies!
― derrick (derrick), Friday, 22 August 2003 06:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 22 August 2003 07:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 22 August 2003 11:52 (nineteen years ago) link
Billy Bragg was supporting, and he was pretty good too.
― Andrew Norman, Friday, 22 August 2003 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― de, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:17 (eighteen years ago) link
those reissues are really pricey (in the states) and i am allergic to arbitrary bonus tracks.
"henry the human fly" is underrated. i like it as much as the records that followed. it is going to be reissued later this month, so head's up.
he has a sizable following in the states partly because he is a very dependable concert artist.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:31 (eighteen years ago) link
"Shoot Out the Lights" hasn't been mentioned much on here; it is excellent, but the R & L sound is more 'generic' than those 72-75 records, which have a ripe, sweet feel to them that "Shoot" tramples down. It's 'mature rock'. But bloody good.
― de, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― the surface noise is generally somewhere between 'in some spots' and 'throu (ele, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― de, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:36 (eighteen years ago) link
also i still have really mixed feelings about linda's voice.
i've never seen a morris dance. the illustrations of "burr men" etc. on "liege and lief" are ace. but overall my love for fairport has really waned. i like "what we did on our holidays" and "unhalfbricking" more than "l&l" i think.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― de, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 04:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 07:05 (eighteen years ago) link
Search: ALL of the live "guitar vocal," especially the smoldering workouts on "Calvary Cross" and "Night Comes In." Song favorites: "When I Get To the Border," "I'll Regret It All in the Morning," "Beeswing."
Someone needs to compile a definitive list of RT's guest appearances (actually, I'm sure some obsessive fan already has). Some nice ones: mandolin bit on John Martyn's "Over the Hill," the entire "Rise Up Like the Sun" album by the Albion Band, "Blackwaterside" off Sandy Denny's "Northstar Grassmen," "Claudy Banks" by Shirley Collins, SO many more.
Anybody rate the second French Frith Kaiser Thompson LP? I've never heard that one.
― briania (briania), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― briania (briania), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 20:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― 57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 22:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 22:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― stew, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― stew, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― (Jon L), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 22:25 (eighteen years ago) link
Good to hear love for 'The Old Kit Bag', which I'm still enjoying. The power trio really suits him, and it's nice to hear a Christine Collister-surrogate again. I'll Tag Along, Gethsemane, Pearly Jim, and Word Unspoken, Sight Unseen stand out the most. Mock Tudor, on the other hand, is, well, almost without redemption. It's his only album since Sunnyvista that I'd delete wholesale.
If possible, track down the live versions of When the Spell Has Broken and Aint Gonna Drag My Feet No More from the Watching The Dark collection(which should be on your x-mas list anyway).
― derrick (derrick), Thursday, 23 December 2004 01:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Thursday, 23 December 2004 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― derrick (derrick), Thursday, 23 December 2004 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.richardthompson-music.com/catch_of_the_day.asp?id=90
― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 23 December 2004 03:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Johnney B (Johnney B), Thursday, 23 December 2004 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 23 December 2004 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link
That version of "Calvary Cross" must be the same one on the boxed set. "Devonside" is an amazingly sad song. "Great Valerio" is another favorite of mine.
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 23 December 2004 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link
Xpost “A Blind Step Away” is easily in my all time top ten RT songs
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 02:03 (two years ago) link
That's a great one, also love "Drowned Black Dog Night". The whole thing is really great though, so many unexpected moments - I love how the "Surfin U.S.A." cover starts out pretty straight before going completely off the rails when the backing vocals kick in. The CD reissue adds a couple of other terrific songs, including "DrumBo Ogie", essentially an excuse for Drumbo to have a solo, and ends with cover of Willie Dixon's "The Same Thing" that is surprisingly straight-faced, considering the rest of the album.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 13:45 (two years ago) link
"DrumBo Ogie" is a great song title.
― It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 15:05 (two years ago) link
There’s a live recording out there of French Frith Kaiser Thompson, maybe the only live show they did? It is great.
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 00:30 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcRlcdbDpTk
― It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 00:48 (two years ago) link
The first FFKT album is really one of my all-time favorites (and I discovered it by chance... it was misfiled at Amoeba, decades ago).
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 00:50 (two years ago) link
Watch for Roy Eldridge - "Little Jazz!" - around the two minute mark, which segment was deleted in the South for some reason back in the day.
― It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 00:51 (two years ago) link
Frets and Refrains, RT's guitar and songwriting camp, is back for its 10th Anniversary, in 2022:...We hope you will be able to join us for what should be a special year. We will be joined by a couple of our most popular teachers from the past, Martin Simpson and Jill Sobule, and we will have our regular instructors, Happy Traum, Sloan Wainwright, Teddy Thompson, Jack Thompson, Zak Hobbs, Bobby Eichorn, Simon Tassano, and Annaliese Tassano. We are also expecting some very special guests to drop by! We are proud of the community that has built up over this decade of camp, and love the fact that you can learn so much from fellow attendees, and that the atmosphere is supportive of every level of skill. The setting is Full Moon resort, in the picturesque Catskill Mountains, the food is excellent, and if you are any level of singer, songwriter or guitarist, we guarantee you will come away enriched and buzzing with ideas! I hope you will join us. Best wishes, Richard Thompsonand the Thompson family, Zak, Teddy and JackMore info and links:https://mailchi.mp/richardthompson-music/richard-thompson-frets-and-refrains-2018-on-sale-604126?e=3412af6338
― dow, Thursday, 28 October 2021 01:18 (one year ago) link
Any of yall heard Serpent's Tears? Only one track streaming freely here: https://richardthompson.bandcamp.com/
― dow, Thursday, 28 October 2021 01:21 (one year ago) link
For 40th Anniversary of Shoot Out The Lights, two sets of R&T w Simon Nicol etc. in NYC, at the Lone Star: https://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/678799150803042304/richard-linda-thompson-lone-star-cafe-nyc
― dow, Thursday, 17 March 2022 00:52 (one year ago) link
Richard Thompson@RthompsonMusicThe 45th Anniversary re-issue of RT’s 1976 Collection of Rarities with Fairport Convention, Linda Thompson, and solo will be releasing 3/25. This remastered vinyl will also contain a download card and is available for pre-order from RT’s UK store now at http://richardthompson-music.com/ukstorevinyl
This remastered vinyl will also contain a download card and is available for pre-order from RT’s UK store now at http://richardthompson-music.com/ukstorevinyl
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOaHLTpXMAEjMFO?format=jpg&name=medium
― dow, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 23:17 (one year ago) link
Also, No Quarter is reissuing his soundtrack to Grizzly Man on May 6th:
Excited to announce a reissue of Richard Thompson's masterful soundtrack to Grizzly Man available May 6th on CD, LP and digital formats. Music From Grizzly Man is a remastered/repackaged set containing all of the music Thompson recorded for the Werzer Herzog-directed documentary about life and death in the Alaskan wilderness. Comprised of both solo compositions and material recorded in chamber setting, with Jim O’Rourke (piano, guitar), Danielle DeGruttola (cello), Damon Smith (upright bass) and John Hanes (percussion) joining Thompson to create tenderly detailed melodies and quietly visceral improvisations. The solo recordings are intimate meditations – from the acoustic opener “Tim & The Bears” to the long night of “Treadwell No More,” a harrowing darkness in slicing treble and tremolo shiver.
https://richardthompson.bandcamp.com/album/music-from-grizzly-man
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 14:42 (one year ago) link
So Beeswing is out in paperback, and Terry Gross is talking to RT, even got him singing "Adieu, Adieu" (he's in a carpark, birdwatching)--stream, download, even read:https://www.npr.org/2022/04/20/1093709649/fairport-convention-band-cofounder-richard-thompson-looks-back-on-his-life-in-mu Also, "you have a drone and melody and not an awful lot of saying what the chord is. And just drone and melody is a very old tradition. A lot of pipe music, bagpipe music from all around the world - it's basically drone and melody. So it's a very ancient thing. And you don't have to develop that into a chord structure necessarily. You can keep that ambiguity going. So in Fairport, eventually we really tried to do a lot more of that." Short excerpts, but good assortment so far. Going to break with "1952 Vincent Black Lightning."
― dow, Thursday, 21 April 2022 00:31 (one year ago) link
Wow, this is intense. And lucid as hell.
― dow, Thursday, 21 April 2022 00:43 (one year ago) link
Re "Adieu Adieu": there's a lovely version by Eliza Carthy that I rather like.
She's using the same melody as Thompson but it's an appealingly bonkers arrangement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP1-4RZJN-M
― Fifty Centaur (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 21 April 2022 01:49 (one year ago) link
I interviewed Richard Thompson! https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2022/05/05/richard-thompson-the-aquarium-drunkard-interview-2/
― tylerw, Thursday, 5 May 2022 15:59 (one year ago) link
Excellent interview
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 5 May 2022 16:16 (one year ago) link
Seconded!
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 16:26 (one year ago) link
Thirded! That was great!
Anyone have any idea why Daring Adventures doesn't appear to be streaming?
― Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Thursday, 5 May 2022 16:28 (one year ago) link
Great read. Thanks Tyler!
― birdistheword, Thursday, 5 May 2022 16:34 (one year ago) link
Beeswing so good, although maybe it goes bad at the end as he described.
― Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 5 May 2022 16:35 (one year ago) link
Awesome.
― Was Hitler a Hobbit? (Tom D.), Thursday, 5 May 2022 17:40 (one year ago) link
Great interview. I recently picked up the expanded version of Dudu Pukwana's first solo album from 1968 or so, which has a whole extra disc of outtakes that includes a session with Thompson playing guitar. I guess he knew that whole crew of South African musicians working in London at the time, they introduced him to township music. You can tell listening to it that he's a bit out of his element, mostly plays kind of ragged rhythm parts. Certainly not his best playing but fun to hear.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 5 May 2022 21:47 (one year ago) link
yeah that is a great record — though yeah, Richard is pretty subdued on it, might not know it was him if he wasn't in the credits. I think Joe Boyd was involved with the Blue Notes, later got Chris McGregor to play on Bryter Later.
― tylerw, Thursday, 5 May 2022 22:23 (one year ago) link
Yeah, thanks for interview T--also came across this last spring:
I just came across this passage in a chronicle of South Africa's Blue Notes interacting with European musos:Now Cape Town meets Canterbury. This 2020 reissue (Dudu Phukwana & The “Spears”) from the indispensable Matsuli Music contains two albums: Dudu’s S.A.-only 1968 solo debut, which gives this package its misspelled name, plus a recently discovered session. Both feature Pukwana, McGregor, Feza, and Maholo, more S.A. expats (bassist Harry Miller, trombonist Jonas Gwangwa) and future members of the great London-based Ghanaian Afro-funk band Osibisa. Yet the newly found Joe Boyd-produced sessions add Fairport Convention guitarists Richard Thompson and Simon Nicol for freewheelin’ cross-cultural wonder. Highly swinging horn- and guitar-heavy Afro-pop and kwela grooves shed more light on Pukwana’s melodic brightness and his ability to bridge continental gaps without sacrificing personality.--From:https://daily.bandcamp.com/lists/blue-notes-south-african-jazz-guide?utm_source=footer― dow, Monday, April 12, 2021
Now Cape Town meets Canterbury. This 2020 reissue (Dudu Phukwana & The “Spears”) from the indispensable Matsuli Music contains two albums: Dudu’s S.A.-only 1968 solo debut, which gives this package its misspelled name, plus a recently discovered session. Both feature Pukwana, McGregor, Feza, and Maholo, more S.A. expats (bassist Harry Miller, trombonist Jonas Gwangwa) and future members of the great London-based Ghanaian Afro-funk band Osibisa. Yet the newly found Joe Boyd-produced sessions add Fairport Convention guitarists Richard Thompson and Simon Nicol for freewheelin’ cross-cultural wonder. Highly swinging horn- and guitar-heavy Afro-pop and kwela grooves shed more light on Pukwana’s melodic brightness and his ability to bridge continental gaps without sacrificing personality.--From:https://daily.bandcamp.com/lists/blue-notes-south-african-jazz-guide?utm_source=footer
― dow, Monday, April 12, 2021
― dow, Friday, 6 May 2022 01:02 (one year ago) link
Yep! That's the one I just picked up on vinyl. Great, great stuff. The best is on the officially released album, but the outtakes are really good too.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 6 May 2022 01:59 (one year ago) link
great interview!
― corrs unplugged, Friday, 6 May 2022 08:05 (one year ago) link
From Post-Fahey thread---thanks Evan!
https://richardthompson.bandcamp.com/album/music-from-grizzly-man/Great stuff― Evan, Friday, May 6, 2022
Great stuff
― Evan, Friday, May 6, 2022
― dow, Friday, 6 May 2022 18:19 (one year ago) link
Oh, very welcome! It's a beautiful record.
― Evan, Friday, 6 May 2022 18:32 (one year ago) link
You can go with the crazy people in the crooked house
― Because the Nighttoad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 May 2023 10:14 (one month ago) link
Music From Grizzly Man was for what Werner Herzog made of and around the outrider Treadwell's own footage, minus the concluding gore: the music is the trees---on another 2022 release the Acoustic Trio shows how to do it one night in Hawaii, with the right songs in the right sequence, for instance.https://richardthompson.bandcamp.com/album/live-from-honolulu
― dow, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 01:45 (one month ago) link
oh yeah
1.Mingus Eyes 06:042.Ghosts In The WInd 07:293.Crawl Back (Under My Stone) 08:354.Dad's Gonna To Kill Me 06:185.Hots For The Smarts 05:586.Bathsheba Smiles 04:217.Al Bowlly's in Heaven 05:528.Johnny's Far Away 05:209.Waltzing's For Dreamers 04:1010.(I Want To See) The Bright Lights Tonight 03:2711.Misunderstood 04:4612.Shoot Out The Lights 06:4813.One Door Opens 04:33
― dow, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 01:47 (one month ago) link
Except "Hots For The Smarts" is too stupid, even if he's just testing us.
― dow, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 01:49 (one month ago) link
was going to see him again in a couple of weeks, but life has gotten in the way.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 May 2023 02:04 (one month ago) link
Life!
― Because the Nighttoad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 May 2023 02:52 (one month ago) link
They say it’s the only thing worth living for.
Sunday supplemental reading re RT: first. over on the current What Are You Reading thread, Electric Eden came up, and Chinaski said,
liked *Electric Eden*, though I think I felt like Daniel does about *The Magic Box*: it's a fantastic work of archaeology but the archival instinct is so all-consuming, it ultimately outruns itself. Or, less politely, it goes on a bit. I've just discovered the long-ass review I wrote about it, which, well, goes on a bit: https://www.thelineofbestfit.com/reviews/book-reviews/the-history-of-british-music-rob-youngs-electric-eden-36400― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Thursday, May 18, 2023Excellent--- and I can see from your Young take, more than ever, that I'm going to have to read the damn book at some point(as well as Toop's)---and you end with the questions that your descriptions led me toward--as far as the possibility of a visionary pushing past-through nostalgia and intimations x certainty of a fraught future (we know the environmental factors as well or better than we care to, but not how and when things will shake out, though the timeline keeps bumping forward in latest projections), since this is ILB, I'll mention a writer who sure tries, if with mixed results, having his own struggles with nostalgia, and that is Kim Stanley Robinson.I hope that Young cites Richard Thompson as a folk-rock songwriter who has never dealt much in nostalgia, except his occasionally overt conservative-reactionary tendencies could be a form of that, although never really "It used to be better dammit," more just disgust or sere vibe/sound, then on to something else. Occasional roots-work-outs are mainly for fun now, the scenic route to that (with a little mental cosplay if ye like).― dow, Thursday, May 18, 2023 3:10 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglinkThompson does build from the lyrical-lurid arterial trees of many ancient sources, pop artistry before pop (like Harry Smith turns into liner notes' tabloid headlines drawn from the musical contents of his Smithsonian Anthology). RT's "Beeswing" effectively (whatever his conscious intention) comments on the possible consequences of this kind of appetite, incl. on male collector-questlovers, as the waltzing wild child, now seen as increasingly self-destructive, keeps telling the earnest ex-bf narrator, "You wouldn't have me any other way." (perhaps Thompson does relate this to his own interests, having since used the song's title for that his memoir of youth, which he's said involves not-always-the-right-decisions).On the negative, reactionary side, when he was offended by Sting's rain forest advocacy, this son of a London cop songfully sneered at the son of a Newcastle area milkman for being a "little Geordie" who didn't know his place (also by being much more $uccessful than Thompson, while rarely being as much an artist: white trash with money)---I wonder if Young's book deals with classism and related matters?― dow, Thursday, May 18, 2023 4:05 PM (three days ago)
― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Thursday, May 18, 2023
Excellent--- and I can see from your Young take, more than ever, that I'm going to have to read the damn book at some point(as well as Toop's)---and you end with the questions that your descriptions led me toward--as far as the possibility of a visionary pushing past-through nostalgia and intimations x certainty of a fraught future (we know the environmental factors as well or better than we care to, but not how and when things will shake out, though the timeline keeps bumping forward in latest projections), since this is ILB, I'll mention a writer who sure tries, if with mixed results, having his own struggles with nostalgia, and that is Kim Stanley Robinson.
I hope that Young cites Richard Thompson as a folk-rock songwriter who has never dealt much in nostalgia, except his occasionally overt conservative-reactionary tendencies could be a form of that, although never really "It used to be better dammit," more just disgust or sere vibe/sound, then on to something else. Occasional roots-work-outs are mainly for fun now, the scenic route to that (with a little mental cosplay if ye like).
― dow, Thursday, May 18, 2023 3:10 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink
Thompson does build from the lyrical-lurid arterial trees of many ancient sources, pop artistry before pop (like Harry Smith turns into liner notes' tabloid headlines drawn from the musical contents of his Smithsonian Anthology). RT's "Beeswing" effectively (whatever his conscious intention) comments on the possible consequences of this kind of appetite, incl. on male collector-questlovers, as the waltzing wild child, now seen as increasingly self-destructive, keeps telling the earnest ex-bf narrator, "You wouldn't have me any other way." (perhaps Thompson does relate this to his own interests, having since used the song's title for that his memoir of youth, which he's said involves not-always-the-right-decisions).
On the negative, reactionary side, when he was offended by Sting's rain forest advocacy, this son of a London cop songfully sneered at the son of a Newcastle area milkman for being a "little Geordie" who didn't know his place (also by being much more $uccessful than Thompson, while rarely being as much an artist: white trash with money)---I wonder if Young's book deals with classism and related matters?
― dow, Thursday, May 18, 2023 4:05 PM (three days ago)
― dow, Sunday, 21 May 2023 18:27 (two weeks ago) link
I think I skipped right by the question, sorry! My instinct is to say the book largely avoids any grand political statements but I don't want to be unfair to Young so would have to have a re-read.
― Stars of the Lidl (Chinaski), Sunday, 21 May 2023 19:35 (two weeks ago) link
He has got songs about Jimmy Shand and Al Bowlly so there's some nostalgia going on there.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Sunday, 21 May 2023 19:40 (two weeks ago) link
I never even knew who Jimmy Shand was until I saw him do that song at Summerstage in Central Park.
― Cathy Berberian Begins at Home (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 May 2023 19:42 (two weeks ago) link
Oh yeah, "Al Bowlly's In Heaven," shoulda thought of that.
I wasn't thinking of xpost grand political statements, but more like how class might have affected or suggest ways of seeing, hearing the presentations of scholars and artists. For inst, Pete Seeger, whatever his choice of sources and arrangements, they were unified by his respectfully refined vocal style, which I heard as genteel, and you could argue that it made folk music more acceptable as a genre or subgenre, providing a gateway for rougher voices, deeper artists, such as Woody Guthrie; genteel-singing Baez may have opened things up a bit for Van Ronk and Dylan.
― dow, Sunday, 21 May 2023 20:30 (two weeks ago) link
But genteel folkie vox drove some older rockheads I know in the opposite direction.
― dow, Sunday, 21 May 2023 20:33 (two weeks ago) link
Um, I am not certain that's a fair reading of "Beeswing," either the song or the book.
Every bit of criticism in the song is self-criticism. ("You foolish man" / "Like a fool I let her run" / "and I miss her more than ever words can say.")
The book is almost as wistful, and I would not classify it as self-exculpatory. He seems at least as critical of himself as most of us would be in his shoes.
Also his most famous song is a highwayman ballad, I am not certain you can extrapolate a politics from using what is among the oldest lyrical tropes in English songcraft.
I am sure that there is more cultural context about "Al Bowlly's in Heaven" than I can grasp but the lyrics seem clear that Thompson is speaking from a persona.
― she works hard for the monkey (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 21 May 2023 21:06 (two weeks ago) link
Here's what he said about "Geordie" in an interview I found:
I think generally speaking, when you're writing a song in the first person, you are trying to get into the head of somebody else. Sometimes (it's) a fictional character. Sometimes fictional characters are based on other people. You know, "Here Comes Geordie" is based on a real human being so it just becomes easy to satirize that person's shortcomings (ED NOTE: The Guardian claims that Sting is the subject of that song). But every time you're using the first person in a song, so you sing through their eyes, I think you really have to get as full a characterization as you can in two and a half minutes.
I saw Jeff Tweedy play Friday night, an all request benefit show. He joked that he was dismayed how none of the 60 songs he'd released in the four years since he last did this got requested, then doubly dismayed at the number of cover songs requested. "Well, I'm not going to play any of them," he half in jest sneered. Later in the night he noted that someone has requested "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald," and that even if he was doing covers he would skip that one, because there were far too many words. He then told a story of when the band and Richard Thompson were opening for Dylan, and when the tour hit Duluth (which is on Lake Superior), they brought out Alan and Mimi from Low, in addition to Thompson, to play "Wreck." They apparently had rehearsed it, and it sounded good, but when the time came to actually play, the lyrics were taped to the stage only at the top, and kept blowing over and obscuring all the words. The musicians did the best they could, but apparently no one on stage was happy with how things turned out.
Yeah. It was bad. https://t.co/aEgPLZfNAh— LOW (@lowtheband) July 13, 2021
I found a recording of them doing the best they can, though, with all those words that not everyone knew. At least Thompson's guitar sounds good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOfN6-tziMs
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 May 2023 21:13 (two weeks ago) link
xxxp
Um, I am not certain that's a fair reading of "Beeswing," either the song or the book.Every bit of criticism in the song is self-criticism. ("You foolish man"/ "Like a fool I let her run" / "and I miss her more than ever words can say.")The book is almost as wistful, and I would not classify it as self-exculpatory. He seems at least as critical of himself as most of us would be in his shoes.
Every bit of criticism in the song is self-criticism. ("You foolish man"/ "Like a fool I let her run" / "and I miss her more than ever words can say.")
― dow, Sunday, 21 May 2023 21:26 (two weeks ago) link
Is being a cop's son a privileged position in terms of class for the boomer generation? Didn't Pasolini get angry at the student protests because he felt they were middle class kids opposing working class cops?
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 22 May 2023 09:30 (two weeks ago) link
Thompson's dad was no ordinary PC Plod.
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 22 May 2023 09:42 (two weeks ago) link
I dunno, I'm speculating about why he chooses "Geordie" as the ultimate punchline put-down playground taunt of this smirky song, rather than "tree-hugging pop star" etc.---seems to be some social discrimination, with regional chauvinism, jobism (cops smarter cooler than milkmen, unto the sons 'tis given?) easily figured in.
― dow, Monday, 22 May 2023 16:07 (two weeks ago) link
I mean, since he wants to take it in that direction, I'll take it a little further.
― dow, Monday, 22 May 2023 16:08 (two weeks ago) link
(ED NOTE: The Guardian claims that Sting is the subject of that song)
LOL "claimed", it could hardly be more obvious who it's about!
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 22 May 2023 16:57 (two weeks ago) link