Julius Hemphill and BAG recordings

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Did anybody here get a copy of Dogon A.D. when Tim Berne posted it at Screwgun on December 14th? I used to have this on vinyl and would really like to have it again, but I missed the window of opportunity at Screwgun (http://www.screwgunrecords.com).

j j steichmann (jaysteich), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 18:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Is she related to Shirley Hemphill of What's Happening fame?

dali madison's nut (donut), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Wasn't Dogon A.D. one of the ones that Arista/Freedom reissued stateside? You can usually turn up vinyl copies of those without a ton of trouble. Now, someone needs to reissue that BAG record...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Yep, Dogon A.D. was issued on Arista/Freedom but it's always been one of the more uncommon titles on that label. Still a little persistance and you should be able to track down a copy for a reasonable price.

Joel (aquabahn), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

You know what's really great is that big band record he made for Elektra (Elektra? I think so, one of those Warner subsidiaries anyway) in the 80s. You can usually find that record around, and it's killer. He was a great writer as well as player.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Stormy: the big band record you're thinking of is _Big Band_ and yes it is/was on Elektra. I like it, though my favorites are still Coon 'bidness, Fat Man and the HArd Blues, and One Atmosphere. The Dogon AD is a sentimental favorite, and I was hoping someone had the Screwgun download. I know I can get it on vinyl.

j j steichmann (jaysteich), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link

(Marissa Fave) Chris Dahlen to thread...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Ha ha - I am a huge fan of Dogon A.D.. I have about all of Hemphill's records and that one's my favorite. I'll see if I can set up a YSI for it. You can also find it on p2p.

Regarding Tim Berne: I heard a year or two ago, probably from his e-mail list, that he wanted to reissue Dogon A.D. on Screwgun, the way he did with Blue Boye. Remember that not only was he a student of Hemphill's, but Dogon was the album that pretty much turned him on to playing jazz in the first place. I talked to him about it, and he said some small label owns the rights and he was in negotiation. He wouldn't have even been able to get the original masters, apparently they just owned the legal rights and he would have mastered it from vinyl.

Sadly, the deal fell through. But I was psyched that he just went ahead and posted it on his site. If the album's out of print, it should be fair game, and it's great that he just got fed up and said, "People should hear this."

save the robot (save the robot), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 01:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Okay, here it is:

http://s47.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1J914IBRRSCCB1OTF2ZBHO5LME

save the robot (save the robot), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 02:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks dude, been trying to score this on LP for a while now

Keith C (lync0), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link

thanks, Chris. Made my day/weekend/holiday break.

I recently read _Point at Which Creation Begins_ the history of the BAG, whence Hemphill and Lake and Parran and Shaw et al. The original issue of Dogon A.D. was on mbari Records, which may be controlled by the Hemphill estate.

More later, but thank you, thank you, thank you.

j j steichmann (jaysteich), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 18:57 (fourteen years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

Hello, ILM. Been a while.

I discovered the BAG record "In Paris Aries 1973" in a pile of moldering vinyl donations to the library I recently 9at the time) started working.
It sparked a serious interest in that whole scene. I found PINT AT WHICH CREATION BEGINS in the library catalog and ate it up. Fell hard for DOGN AD and discovered Art Ensemble of Chicago and the AACM all over again. Turned out that a few of the players in BAG attended the University where my library is located.

A few months later, we hired a new director. In getting to know each other, I mentioned the BAG record and my growing interest in St. Louis jazz.
Turns out our new director was in grade school with Joseph Bowie and used to attend BAG events in the city. Discovering this music felt fated. Apparently, the BAG documentary is now streaming online as part of a program through St. Louis's New Music Circle.

Just wanted to share that.

trip maker, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:22 (three weeks ago) link

I have a long podcast interview with Tim Berne, which includes a lot of discussion of his time working with Hemphill, that will be online on Friday.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:25 (three weeks ago) link

I'd love to listen.

trip maker, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:35 (three weeks ago) link

Pint At Which Creation Begins is a pretty badass Chris Barber record afaicr

call mr zbow that's my name that name again is mr zbow (Craig D.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:48 (three weeks ago) link

The Tim Berne podcast interview is out. Here are some ways to listen.

Osiris: https://bit.ly/3kq9B0r
Apple: https://apple.co/3nme99Z
Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3pn4zp3

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 13 November 2020 15:21 (two weeks ago) link

here's a link to the BAG documentary. $10 to stream through nov. 22

https://www.cinemastlouis.org/sliff/black-artists-group-creation-equals-movement

budo jeru, Saturday, 14 November 2020 16:44 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks for the link to the film, also for the Burning Ambulance podcast link.
It is a lot of content to dig into.

trip maker, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 15:06 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks for the link to the film, also for the Burning Ambulance podcast link.
It is a lot of content to dig into.

trip maker, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 15:07 (two weeks ago) link

DC saxophonist Andrew White recently passed. He played with Julius Hemphill live and on a few albums

http://www.camjazz.com/labels/black-saint/andrew-white/8024709052926-fat-man-and-the-hard-blues-cd.html

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 15:15 (two weeks ago) link

Fat Man and the Hard Blues is a great album. I was listening to it just last week.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 16:23 (two weeks ago) link


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