why is paul banks so loathed a a lyricist

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alot of people on here seem to slag the guys lyrics. I have always been of the opinion that they serve an aesthetic purpose when it comes to interpol.

Abstract nature aside, and yes ill grant the fact he is known for the odd cheeseball and that may be considered an understatement, but total body of work i think he is fantastic as a writer.

Anybody agree or am i alone here? the guy is a poet to me. No Cohen, but a poet all the same.

steven leven, Monday, 26 December 2005 15:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yep. baffles me too. i do wince at the '...ham' bit on 'hands away' mind.

piscesboy, Monday, 26 December 2005 15:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

great song. possibly my fav. I was so disappointed they didnt explore more of that territory musically.

steven leven, Monday, 26 December 2005 15:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

THE SUBWAY SHE IS A PORNO

inger lynde (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 26 December 2005 16:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yeah but nobody searches
Nobody cares somehow
When the loving that you’ve wasted
Comes raining from a hapless cloud
And I might stop and look upon your face
Disappear in the sweet, sweet gaze
See the living that surrounds me
Dissipate in a violet place

Can’t you see what you’ve done to my heart
And soul?
This is a wasteland now

We spies
We slow hands
Put the weights around yourself
We spies
Oh yeah we slow hands
You put the weights all around yourself now

I submit my incentive is romance
I watched the pole dance of the stars
We rejoice because the hurting is so painless
From the distance of passing cars
But I am married to your charms & grace
I just go crazy like the good old days
You make me want to pick up a guitar
And celebrate the myriad ways that I love you

Can you see what you’ve done to my heart
And soul?
This is a wasteland now

We spies
Yeah we slow hands
You put the weights around yourself
We spies
Oh yeah we slow hands
Killer, for hire you know not yourself

We spies
We slow hands
You put the weights all around yourself
We spies
Oh yeah we slow hands
We retire like nobody else
We spies
Intimate slow hands killer
For hire you know not yourself
We spies
Intimate slow hands
You let the face slap around herself

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 26 December 2005 16:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i do wince when he sings "she said that my sentimental side should be held with kids gloves" rather than "kid gloves" because it's such a basic mistake. but i like Interpol!

jed_ (jed), Monday, 26 December 2005 16:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"pole dance of the stars" is not bad actually!

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Monday, 26 December 2005 16:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i do wince when he sings "she said that my sentimental side should be held with kids gloves" rather than "kid gloves" because it's such a basic mistake.

who says it's a mistake at all?

fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 26 December 2005 17:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

No, he's perfectly dreadful, but entertaining in that Simon Le Bon way. If you think he's a poet, you need to read some more poetry. Besides, lyrics aren't poetry, ever, even when they're great. Music is not literature.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 26 December 2005 17:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Y'know, I thought Paul Banks was a crap lyricist. But then I was chatting with a girl who was telling me some rather boring stories or stuff like that, and I thought to myself "hmmm...she is calling my bluff!"

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 26 December 2005 17:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=1308

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 26 December 2005 17:57 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i think he writes great lyrics for a spoiled prep school rich fuck. i mean, how else is a guy like that gonna write, forced to memorize t.s. eliot pomes and shit? "love is in the kitchen with a culinary eye"--mixing high and low, modernist patois--that's what gets rich bitches hot!

mccoy tyner, Monday, 26 December 2005 18:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

OBviously lyrics arent poetry, and moreso i maintain his lyrics are used moreso for the aesthetic.

is he really that wealthy. i mean ive lived in paris and england and a quite a few places and my family isnt really rich.

steven leven, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

airfare's expensive, yo

born-again christians in the old corral (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

his dads some run of the mill corporate managing monkey, wow alot of people are.

I was working with a scientologist who told me the banks family is one of the wealthiest in the states.

steven leven, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah, i live in a world where everyone's dads make enough to send us all to european prep schools, too. run of the mill

klee hitchens, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

whats a prep school? im australian.

steven leven, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't really know or care about the Banks family history or anything, but surely you guys aren't total morons: you know most of the people who wind up at "American school" preps in Europe are just the kids of middle-class government functionaries?

Okay, back to work on my blog, which gives Pitchfork-style point-scores to new releases based on band members' parents tax returns. I thought I had some best-of-year shit with this one homeless subway busker, but it turns out his dad was a dentist.

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Okay, back to work on my blog, which gives Pitchfork-style point-scores to new releases based on band members' parents tax returns.

did that chunklet thing ever come out?

born-again christians in the old corral (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

thats what i thought nabisco. I went to the british school of paris, im not sure if its a prep school because i dont know what it was, the fees were expensive but my fathers company paid for them. Most kids i went to school with were sons and daughters of diplomats or other gov jobs, or middle to senior managers of companies. THey didnt necessarilly earn alot of money, there were benfits like drivers, cars, school fees for the fact the employee was dealing with another culture and relocating, but base wage, my family isnt that wealthy. so am i a prep school wanker?

steven leven, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i think the european prep school point is this. if any of those dudes in interpol had to pay back student loans from their columbia university educations, there'd be no interpol. shows in the nonsense, never known real worry lyrics.

klee hitchens, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I shouldn't say those overseas-workers are normal middle-class, cause by most standards they're definitely upper-middle -- but it's not exactly a butler class or anything. Plenty of my brokest-ass friends grew up that way.

Anyway Banks is one of those guys where when you actually read over the lyric sheet it all seems terrible, and in the end probably is terrible -- except that really, during how much of the average Interpol song are you genuinely following the flow of the text? No, he's one of those guys who mostly mumbles along rhyming and hardly drawing much attention -- and then every now and then he'll spit out something that sounds great out-of-context, and he'll really chew on that one. "Evil" is good for this: I couldn't tell you a damn thing that's actually going on in the lyrics, but I'll still go for the way he tosses out "wait in the van," and I'll still kinda marvel at the fact that "semi-erotic" pops up in there. Similarly there's that bit on the first album -- "Oh look, it stopped snowing" -- which I'll always think is kind of a great thing to hear, and which I didn't know until googling just now was followed by anything quite like, well, "my best friend's from Poland and oh he has a beard."

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Klee, that's seriously one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever read on this board, which is really, really saying something.

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

why's that, nabiscothingy?

klee hitchens, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

did they go to expensive unis?

i red some interview where paul banks was all like "id rather be poor and have lived and created than to die having worked a high responsibility job and not created anything".

I say good luck to them they went hard, they put alot of time in ( banks used to work for interview magazine, then quit to focus on the band and worked doing crap like data entry making coffee). THey reallly were quite shit when they started out, live in particular, but htey have come a hell of a long way.

i dont think his background has anything to tdo with the lyrics.

steven leven, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost I believe it was NYU actually.

Guess what, Miles Davis was born into an affluent family and went to Juliard before dropping out to play jazz. Guess what, so fucking what?

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

and ill disagree because as abstract and as sometimes ridiculous as the lyrics are, they are of huge importance to me when it comes to interpol, i mean that is one thing that got me with them. Not just the delivery but the sequencing, and what they are to me.

steven leven, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i like interpol's lyrics. "this isn't you yet/ what you thought was such a conquest" is particularly inspired. i was trying to figure out the other post. interesting how you mention money and people jump down your throat! kill the poor!

klee hitchens, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Boring how you mention money.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh Christ, Klee, I'm not even going to bother going over the million reasons why I think that was a stupid thing to say, except from venturing an opinion, on my part, that you don't seem to have a very realistic picture of what people are like, or how student loans work, or how bands work, or what sorts of people are usually in them, or what kinds of lyrics those people write when they didn't go to private universities, or really a lot of the other shit you were attempting to wrap into that bullshit sentence.

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you seem angry, nabiscothingy. happy holidays!

klee hitchens, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

chunklet wimped out, from what i understand. too many people would be implicated

xpost

klee hitchens, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

it seems like the whole prep boy thing is the biggest copout when it comes to justfying why interpol suck, as if they have no bearing on reality because of their perceived socio-economic status as if to say that actually has anything at all to do with the price of fish

steven leven, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

you seem angry, nabiscothingy. happy holidays!

Classic dodge.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

do all you peeps know each other?

steven leven, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 06:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

happy holidays to you, too, dave. so, what do you think of paul banks' lyrics? besides that line in "slow hands"

xpost

i don't know any of these people. they seem very defensive about interpol though

klee hitchens, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 07:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Actually, Klee, I am a little angry, because in the process of saying something deeply, deeply stupid I think you've accidentally touched a nerve -- I keep thinking here of a friend of mine who grew up going to American schools across Europe, spent time at Columbia, is one of the best writers I know, and has recently known plenty more "real worry" than I'd wish on you, even for rhetorical effect. Apart from that, I doubt I'd be too bothered, given that you don't seem to have any knowledge whatsoever of what you're talking about.

Go on talking about Interpol, though.

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 07:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Interpol are friends of friends of mine. I've played shows with Paul Banks. And I don't even like them as a band.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 07:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm much more defensive about the idea that someone born of privelege can make good art than about Interpol.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 07:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

are they pretencious preppy wankers as the satereotype would have it abba?

steven leven, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 07:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

nabiscothingy, i don't think you said anything deeply, deeply stupid, if that makes you feel any better.

"privilege" look, forget i said anything. or better yet, of course people born of privilege can make good art. most european art, prior to the 20th century, was made by people born into at least moderate means. how this issue is of so much focus when discussing interpol seems strange to me. good night, fellas

klee hitchens, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 07:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I enjoyed Paul Banks's solo stuff that he used to do.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 07:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Damnit, Klee, this would be more fun if you could either read or avoid changing positions every ten minutes!

nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 07:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

is there anywhere one can get their hands on this solo stuff?

is it true he has the intention of doing some solo work?

steven leven, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 07:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't really know -- he used to play solo shows. I don't really talk to any of them, they're just friends of friends.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 07:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"this isn't you yet/ what you thought was such a conquest"

Oh, you like that. Me too. But continue the verse, shall we?

"...Your hair is so pretty and red / Baby baby you're really the best"

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 15:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the moral: in tandem, all four of those lines are mawkish as all fuck

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

aren't they more anhedonically sarcastic? they'd have to be sincere to be mawkish, and they're not delivered with the slightest smidge of earnestness. when I think of mawkish, i think of like the every line is a cliche bullshit from wicked: the musical i've been hearing lately at the cineplex before movies begin. those banks lines seem more deliberately dumbed down, like, i'm so damaged, i'll sabotage a good pair of lines with two intentionally sub-literate ones, lest i be taken seriously, and attacked. maybe i'm giving him too much credit, but "this isn't you yet/ what you thought was such a conquest" is so striking i give him the benefit of the doubt he's up to something, whatever coke-fueled abstraction it may be.

klee hitchens, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I like Nabisco's notion of following Paul Banks's lyrics as just isolated phrases that are fun to hear. Which is probably how I listen to them, too. I'd also suggest that their terribleness is what makes them great. In re-reading Andrew's Stylus article, I kept thinking, "oh yeah, that one, haha!" I love singing along to stupid, overly dramatic lines like "love is in the kitchen with a culinary eye" in the same way I love singing along to some of Morrissey's more ridiculous lyrics.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i think there's something more to it, j. i think there's an affect produced by the juxtaposition of poetic lines with throwaway lines that expresses the same kind of overwraught, wounded romanticism their music does.

klee hitchens, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Okay, I'll buy that.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

another example. after the culinary eye couplets, he sings

"you don't trust yourself for at least one minute each day"

which is pretty good, before undermining any favorable impression he might have made, with

"but you should trust in this, girl, cuz loving is coming our way"

that's gotta be deliberate, down to the rock & roll cliche of loving coming our way.

klee hitchens, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why Banks is so irrationally loathed as a lyricist: because he is so irrationally loved as a lyricist, often by smart people. I usually discount his lyrics as neutral background hum, UNLESS someone else claims to take him seriously as a poet. Then I go nuts.

I mean, Billy Corgan is a much, much worse lyricist, perhaps the worst one working today if you measure quality against the level of pretense (the only possible way of judging rock lyrics). But I don't feel like slagging on him because there seems to be a nice consensus on the matter. There's no such consensus on Banks yet.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 16:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i'd never argue that he's good, like i'd argue that ian curtis is good. but i am arguing that he's not loathsome lyrically. sammy hagar is loathsome lyrically. right now!

klee hitchens, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 17:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The portrait of the poet as a young Ben Sherman model:

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 17:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i mean, he's not a poet. he's doing something with cliches, is all i'm saying. so to criticize him for cliches in his lyrics is sort of to miss the point of them. sort of of like criticizing lou reed for writing a sunshine pop song in "who loves the sun?" but i'd never slot him in the same company as lou, because banks seems more like a one-trick pony. he's occassionally good for a thought-provoking line; maybe he covers his inability to write a song moving in its entirety is why he resorts to his arch throwaway lines. which produces the effect jaymc is talking about, as opposed to what you get listening to, say, scott walker

klee hitchens, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 17:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

earnestness or not, dude is tin-eared as fuck when it comes to lyrics

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 17:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i don't think that "it's in the way that she poses/ it's in the things that she puts in my head" is all that tin-eared. but there are a lot of dumb lines in that song, too. see discussion above

klee hitchens, Tuesday, 27 December 2005 17:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't think his ear's the problem, though! Or rather I think he has a good ear for the music as it relates to lyrics. Half of that phrases-in-passing effect I was talking about seems to come from the fact that the guy knows which lines need to be sold -- he knows which snatches of melody he can really pounce on, and thus which isolated lyric-lines are actually going to wind up featuring in people's brains. You can tell, because every one of those feature lyrics turns out to be a good one -- some kind of phrase that, especially out of of context, kind of rattles around your head as a cool thing to hear. (A lot of them are kind of Morrissey-casual and thus seem to imply loads of confidence about the whole process of lyric-writing -- see "Evil" and that "hey, who's on trial" interjection.)

So but yeah, he clearly has an ear for where he needs to be doing something striking, and he can often come up with a good striking line to plug into there, and even when they don't seem so striking on the lyric sheet, there's something about the cadence or delivery that gets them there. It's all that stuff in between that looks horrible on paper. And I'd say it sounds horrible on record, but I couldn't tell you -- those are the bits I don't really hear, or at least hear as just rhyming ordinary song-words as opposed to any sort of coherent "text." You could say it's some sort of laziness that he can't pad out the verse incidentals with something of higher-quality, but I'm not sure that's it (and I think Klee's right that a lot of it is arch -- it's just that it's hard to pull of the arch/knowing thing when others of your lyrics are totally interpretable as just clumsy). (And yeah I'll bet anything a lot of that archness is fake-Morrissey, as are plenty of his vocal melodies.)

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 17:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

If you insist.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 17:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

doesn't the guitsr player write all of the songs?. i thought i read that somewhere.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 18:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

that's supposed to say guitar

Christopher Costello (CGC), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 18:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

well, he certainly doesn' write himself any interesting parts.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 18:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Nabisco is right otm--said exacty what I was thinking. I think the reason there are people that hang onto the idea of Paul Banks' lyrics being poetic is because of how well they come across in the song, even if the meaning is stupid or incomprehensible, the sounds of the words and their connotations serve their purpose very well. I don't think anyone would read the lyrics and praise them, or even be interested in them at all for that matter.

Matt McEver (mattmc387), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Can we just accept that the lyrics are CRAP, we love Interpol anyway, and move on? Lyrical banality has never bothered us New Orderites.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I like Interpol, but I couldn't tell you what a single one of the songs are about, the lyrics are all so forgettable and/or impenatrable. I think even the "feature lyrics" that nabisco praises often strike me as incredibly clumsy and silly, so much so that I find myself actively not wanting to remember them ("you're stabbing yourself in the neck"? buh?)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Evil" is such a delicious treat (indeed, the only Interpol song I love, let alone like) because Banks is learning how to make his singing ride the beat so that the song achieves impressive levels of Le Bon-esque purple-osity.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 21:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That's "you'll go stabbing yourself in the neck," which is totally different. (Ha.) And which I like in basically that feature-lyric way. Like consider, you hear that song a few times, and here's what you come away with, lyrically:

- "make playing only logical" (hmm)
- "nothing else will change" (okay standard, go on)
- "SHE CAN [X], SHE CAN [X]" (it's "read," but you don't know that yet -- you just know she can do something with an E sound, and boy can she do it, cause listen to him!)
- "it's different now that I'm poor and ageing / I'll never see this face again" (that's kinda nice)
- "you'll go STABBING / YOURSELF IN / THE NECK" (zing!)
- "she puts the she puts the weights into my little heart" (he really sells this one)

Dude is no Peter Murphy nor no Robert Smith, but he seems to know a little bit about how they managed to script difficult lines into feature spots and sell them, make them ring out right: "stabbing yourself in the neck" here reads like a stumpy cousin of, say, "cover my face as the animals die."

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

except that "cover my face as the animals die" conveys a bunch of coherent information (msg: narrator is distressed at the fate of little beasties, covers face in disgust and shock, possibly shame as well). Whereas "you'll go stabbing yourself in the neck" = what? why would anyone stab themselves in the neck? if its a suicidal thing, wouldn't throat-slitting be more appropriate? how does one kill oneself by stabbing oneself in the neck anyway? its just obtuse blathering.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

PFM News Item that I inexplicably remember:

Wednesday, November 27th, 2002
Interpol Announce More Dates for December Tour
YOU'LL GO STABBING! THAT GUY IN!! THE SCARF!!!

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Federal sources tell CBS 2 that Braunstein was stopped at the University of Memphis by campus police. He identified himself as Peter Braunstein, and told the cops “I am the man the world is looking for.” He then stabbed himself in the neck. He’s now in critical condition at a Tennessee hospital.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

x-post
Gosh, I do miss those jokey subheds. I told that to the 'Fork higher-ups several times...

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Has anyone heard "direction" by interpol from the six feet under soundtrack?
I strongly recomend you all download it if your after a good laugh and roll on the floor. Thats how fucking bad the lyrics are lol.

And its also the way paul sings them. He sounds like hes dead. Im so thankful ive heard that song. It will keep me laughing until the end of my days

hahababe, Sunday, 8 January 2006 02:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

eleven months pass...
Direction is actually quite a good song. The lyrics? As in the single word that he repeats afew times? The way he sings in this song is pretty reminiscient of Ian Curtis of course... are you trying to say that is a bad thing? Pretty moronic statement that will keep me laughing until the end of my ciggarette, "lol".

Ben T (PaeganTerror), Sunday, 7 January 2007 15:27 (ten years ago) Permalink

A friend of mine once thought the lyric to Obstacle 1 went "She can't read, she can't read, she can't read she's blaaa-aaack". Now I can't really listen to it without cracking up.

Luke Stacks (lukeasaurus), Sunday, 7 January 2007 15:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

what are the right lyrics then?

rizzx (Rizz), Sunday, 7 January 2007 17:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

"she's bad"

ben talbot (PaeganTerror), Sunday, 7 January 2007 21:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

nabisco otm about 'featured lyrics' - which is why 'Untitled' is their best song, it doesn't have any other extraneous words

splates (splates), Monday, 8 January 2007 00:31 (ten years ago) Permalink

Slow hands is about handjobs. I swear.

Andi Headphones (Andi Headphones), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 01:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

so this "mixtape" is hardly a masterpiece or anything, but... i think it's misunderstood, and honestly quite enjoyable. i think it nails the aimless postmodern vibe as much as one can nail it. i've had it on repeat all morning with no desire to turn it off yet. i mean, it's not exactly aspiring for beauty.

cocktail onion (fennel cartwright), Thursday, 14 February 2013 19:55 (four years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

Paul Banks is a poet and completely misunderstood. Totally classic.

"When the cadaverous mob saves its doors for the dead man you cannot leave"
"He severed segments so secretly you like that"
"I had seven faces / thought I knew which one to wear..."

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Friday, 26 September 2014 20:00 (three years ago) Permalink

His lyrics are fucking great- combine that with his po faced delivery and you have one of the main reasons I like the band.

Hinklepicker, Friday, 26 September 2014 20:11 (three years ago) Permalink

Having lyric sheets on the new one really spoiled some of the mystique for me. :-/

Welcome to reality. No spitting, please. (Branwell with an N), Friday, 26 September 2014 20:13 (three years ago) Permalink

"He severed segments so secretly you like that"

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 September 2014 20:13 (three years ago) Permalink

Man, I can't wait for Daniel Kessler's solo album. He's promised a whole record full of ambient electronica "like music for airports" he says like he is trying so hard to get me to pay attention to him he's taking to showing up in shoegaze stripey shirts and everything.

n.b. I may be drunked

Welcome to reality. No spitting, please. (Branwell with an N), Friday, 26 September 2014 20:16 (three years ago) Permalink

an early julian plenti gem - "just because a canyon is fascist, doesn't mean you don't hold onto your beliefs."

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Monday, 6 October 2014 05:16 (three years ago) Permalink

Julian Plenti otm

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 October 2014 11:09 (three years ago) Permalink

And who is this Paul Banks fellow exactly?

The Count has shot himself (Tom D.), Monday, 6 October 2014 11:22 (three years ago) Permalink

I dunno; you could maybe try reading the post at the top of the thread? Or is reading OPs too much work these days?

Welcome to reality. No spitting, please. (Branwell with an N), Monday, 6 October 2014 11:33 (three years ago) Permalink

I've actually been thinking about the line "You only know me like the shoreline knows the sea" quite a bit lately.

When I first heard it, I thought it meant that the "you" knows the speaker very well, that a shoreline obviously has a long and repeated acquaintance with the sea. But the line stuck with me, and I realised it could also mean the opposite - that a shoreline knows the sea only in a (very literally) shallow sense. The shoreline knows only the external tip of the sea, that the vast bulk of the sea are depths that the shoreline has no knowledge of - that actually it could mean that the "you" has no real understanding of the speaker at all, beyond the shallow and superficial. Especially with that casual "only".

Welcome to reality. No spitting, please. (Branwell with an N), Monday, 6 October 2014 11:38 (three years ago) Permalink

Tom D, I think he's in Genesis

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 6 October 2014 11:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Paul BanksStatement

Master of Treacle, Monday, 6 October 2014 13:42 (three years ago) Permalink

Branwell, re: having a lyrics sheet on the new record, is it just me or are the non-sequiturs basically just completely gone now

Simon H., Monday, 6 October 2014 13:45 (three years ago) Permalink

Well, there are the non-sequiturs that didn't make it to the lyric sheets!

("I'm not gonna chase another steak until he's gone" ... wait, dude, you definitely said that in the lyrics, but it's not on the lyric sheet. What happened there, was not that actually a song lyric? I'm imagining it as an aside you shouted at Sam while you were waiting for Daniel to leave the studio so you could and Sam could make a midnight run to go eat steaks while the vegetarian was out? WTF, man?)

Granted, there have been several occasions where I've heard something and been like "WTF, did he just sing that?" and then checked the lyric sheets, and actually, no, he sang something that made slightly more sense than what I heard.

So I don't know if he's being more direct on this record. Or if many of those non-sequiturs were mis-hearings. (No, he definitely sang "let's see about this ham.")

Welcome to reality. No spitting, please. (Branwell with an N), Monday, 6 October 2014 15:00 (three years ago) Permalink

to this day i have no clue what PDA could be about - a rape? a bad breakup? astounding that it's still so impenetrable

Yours is the only version of my desertion that I could ever subscribe to
That is all that I can do
You are a past dinner, the last winner I'm raping all around me
Until the last drop is behind you
You're so cute when you're frustrated, dear
Yeah you're so cute when you're sedated, dear
oh yes dear

Sleep tight, grim rite.
We have 200 couches where you can
Sleep tight, grim rite.
We have 200 couches where you can
Sleep tonight...

You are the only person who's completely certain there's nothing here to be into
That is all that you can do
You are a past sinner, the last winner and everything we've come to
It makes you you
But you cannot safely say, while I will be away,
that you will not consider sadly how you helped me to stray
You will not reach me I am
Resenting a position that is past resentment
And now I can consider
And now there is this distance, so-

Sleep tight, grim rite.
We have 200 couches where you can
Sleep tight, grim rite.
We have 200 couches where you can
Sleep tonight...

ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Monday, 6 October 2014 19:47 (three years ago) Permalink


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