Parliament = Funkadelic?

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This has been bugging me for a while...what was the relationship btw the two? I always see them referred back to back, or even as Parliament/Funkadelic. I know both were related to George Clinton, but that's about it. I've heard so many good things about them and I want to start getting into them, but I would like to get this cleared up!

musically (musically), Thursday, 22 December 2005 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Parliament were the singers and Funkadelic the band.
On albums Parliament were more vocal/horns led and Funkadelic the acid fried crazy rock band.

Check out http://www.duke.edu/~tmc/pfunk.html

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 22 December 2005 01:38 (fourteen years ago) link

they're both projects started by george clinton

funkadelic is, well, more pyschedelic and trippy, and parliament is more groovy dancable disco kinda motown funk.

clinton simultaneously worked with both groups during his career, so they're usually considered different styles of the same big band.

if you're more into solos you'll like the first 3 funkadelic albums with eddie hazel more, and if you like dancable stuff, parliament would suit you more.

strongly recommend Live/P. Funk Earth Tour (1977) album. captures their live energy so well :)

yijiao, Thursday, 22 December 2005 01:40 (fourteen years ago) link

The main difference was in sound (roughly: funkadelic=rock guitars and parliament=disco synths) and contract (funkadelic=westbound and parliament=casablanca.) Otherwise, there was a lot of crossover in personnel not restricted to Clinton. Bootsy Collins, Bernie Worrell, and Eddie Hazel (among many others) appear on albums by both, frinstance.

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Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 22 December 2005 01:41 (fourteen years ago) link

parliament were the vocal group that followed on from the parliaments, clinton's more straight-up soul band. contract dispute with label that parliament were signed to (invictus?) led to clinton getting the backing musicians signed to westbound as funkadelic, with the vocalists making "guest" appearances. as the above duders say they then diverged in style, but there's plenty of overlap in personnel, and style for that matter.

waldo jeffers scenario (haitch), Thursday, 22 December 2005 01:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks for the insight...Parliament is definitely my type of group but I will make sure to check em both out. I bookmarked the other thread of Pfunk recommendations, so I should hopefully be on my way.

musically (musically), Thursday, 22 December 2005 01:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Bootsy Collins did mainly play with Parliament, didn't he?

funkadelic is, well, more pyschedelic and trippy, and parliament is more groovy dancable disco kinda motown funk.

Generally you may be right. But then, why was "One Nation Under a Groove" credited to Funkadelic?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 22 December 2005 04:52 (fourteen years ago) link

because, shockingly enough, it was made by funkadelic.

waldo jeffers scenario (haitch), Thursday, 22 December 2005 04:56 (fourteen years ago) link

The styles were definitely merging toward the end there. I've never thought of Parliament as just a straight-up dance band. Albums like Chocolate City or Mothership Comnnection have a groove, but it tends to get stretched out and jazzed up. The basic difference may just be that Funkadelic's groove was harder, and included more graphic lyrics. It also tended to deliver Clinton's more serious messages (America Eats It's Young, etc.), while Parliament was more fun and games.

I figure One Nation Under a Groove was relased under the Funkadelic banner because, since they were now signed to a major lable--Warners--they had to deliver some hits. ONUAG was the first Funkadelic song to make top ten on the R&B chart.

Bootsy played in both bands, as well as his own Rubber Band (mostly the same musicians). And don't forget The Brides of Funkenstein, the Horny Horns, and Parlet.

moriarty (moriarty), Thursday, 22 December 2005 05:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Remember the name change is because Clinton lost the rights to the name Parliament. Who were the rock band See the album "Osmium". So Funkadelic were born.
When he got the rights back to Parliament he made them a more groove orientated band with horns and more vocals. Leaving Funkadelic to rock out.
But yes later on there were similarities between both.
And obviously it was the same people who played on funkadelic and parliament albums mostly.

Then theres all the spin offs...

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 22 December 2005 05:20 (fourteen years ago) link

When I said roughly, I meant roughly.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 22 December 2005 05:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Taking Sides : Parliament or Funkadelic ?

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Thursday, 22 December 2005 06:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Forget the names -- it only makes sense to think of them as one band.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 22 December 2005 06:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, that's the way I deal with it.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Thursday, 22 December 2005 06:46 (fourteen years ago) link

PBS has a documentary AND a website that answers the questions all the funkateers want to know. One Nation Under a Groove There IS a test.

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 02:08 (fourteen years ago) link

10/10 I'm a doctor of Funkology apparently. (I managed to guess questions 1 and 3 correctly)

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link

9/10. i, too, am a dr. of funkology.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 02:37 (fourteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

R.I.P. original bassist Cordell "Boogie" Mosson (according to Bootsy Collins on fb).

Pope Frank is the messenger of your doom (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 19 April 2013 15:12 (seven years ago) link

Fly on brother

The Pastiche Liberation Front (sonnyboy), Friday, 19 April 2013 15:17 (seven years ago) link

:( RIP

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 19 April 2013 15:44 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...
two months pass...

https://t.co/0Ca8IbaR3x

Οὖτις, Monday, 14 March 2016 20:14 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

Absolute titanic figure, gonna miss him

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 June 2016 23:30 (three years ago) link

A giant. If you get a chance try to watch the Robert Moog documentary just to see him hanging out with Moog and Rick Wakeman. Remember when he was on the Letterman Show in the World's Most Dangerous Band for about five minutes? Perhaps it was a bit longer. It was hard to actually see him. You could just his keyboard and the bottom of his chin.

Cry for a Shadow Blaster (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 16 June 2016 23:58 (three years ago) link

Ha i totally remember him on letterman, doing flashlight for commercial breaks

Οὖτις, Friday, 17 June 2016 00:01 (three years ago) link

I'm glad I got to see him at least once, with Bootsy.

Cry for a Shadow Blaster (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 June 2016 00:08 (three years ago) link

Yeah me too - saw him several times both w Bootsy and on the mothership reunion tour

Οὖτις, Friday, 17 June 2016 00:46 (three years ago) link

What years? I saw P-funk twice but Bernie was not on either of those tours.

Cry for a Shadow Blaster (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 17 June 2016 00:55 (three years ago) link

Hmm 1994 or 95 w bootsy. Mothership reunion tour was later, '98 or something? Not sure. Want to say i saw him on later tours w p-funk but i'd have to check that.

Οὖτις, Friday, 17 June 2016 00:58 (three years ago) link

I saw p-funk a bunch in th 90s/00s. Hard to keep the personnel straight in my memory. Other old school dude i was always excited to see was billy bass nelson.

Οὖτις, Friday, 17 June 2016 01:00 (three years ago) link

Thinking I saw him with P-Funk once; as well as with Talking Heads.

curmudgeon, Monday, 20 June 2016 15:37 (three years ago) link

Ugh this is terrible news. For more good Bernie Worrell playing, he is the main guy in the expanded Talking Heads band in Stop Making Sense.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 20 June 2016 15:45 (three years ago) link

RIP :(

Secondary Modern Prometheus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 24 June 2016 20:37 (three years ago) link

RIP, fly on

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 June 2016 20:39 (three years ago) link

So sad, he was a synth maestro

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 24 June 2016 21:01 (three years ago) link

much respect

brimstead, Friday, 24 June 2016 21:21 (three years ago) link

RIP

Dominique, Friday, 24 June 2016 21:24 (three years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClvyJOzUkAEKW9b.jpg

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 June 2016 21:44 (three years ago) link

RIP Bernie. What a loss. Man was made of music.

They could have been Stackridge. (Tom D.), Friday, 24 June 2016 22:20 (three years ago) link

Truly one of the greats...a unique and influential genius...he'll be missed

X-Prince Protégé (sonnyboy), Friday, 24 June 2016 23:43 (three years ago) link

I feel so sad tonight

Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 25 June 2016 00:54 (three years ago) link

ten months pass...

anybody know if there's some connection between Southside Movement and P-Funk? SM's "I've Been Watching You" from 1975 uses the "I dunno what I'm a do witcha/when I getcha/put you in my cookie jar/save you for a rainy day" - which is a Fuzzy Haskin line that was floating around forever and re-used multiple times. But I can't really figure out where the connection would be. SM weren't on Motown and weren't from any of the P-Funk geographical centers (Jersey, Detroit, Cincinnati)

Οὖτις, Friday, 19 May 2017 16:27 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPPtiaL3W2M

Οὖτις, Friday, 19 May 2017 16:27 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

whoah nice find!

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:25 (two years ago) link

is that the only time P-Funk folks showed up on Soul Train?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 16:27 (two years ago) link

Dunno. I only saw that because McKinley Jackson posted it on his FB page and a friend of mine commented on it.

Guidonian Handsworth Revolution (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 21 June 2017 22:24 (two years ago) link

nine months pass...

Does anyone know of a good book that covers the Parliament / Funkadelic story in detail? Seems like a great story and despite knowing / loving these albums for most of my life I know little about the history and inner workings of the group

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 26 March 2018 12:17 (two years ago) link

I haven't read it but George Clinton's autobiography seems like a good one.

https://www.amazon.com/Brothas-Like-George-Funkin-Kinda/dp/1476751080

kornrulez6969, Monday, 26 March 2018 13:43 (two years ago) link

Thanks! Gonna check the library for this today.

Paul Ponzi, Monday, 26 March 2018 13:45 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

pretty crazy full circle moment to see the word "Dogg" in a Parliament title

808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:06 (two years ago) link

First Ya Gotta Shake The Gate was nearly unlistenable to my ears, but George may fare better with a Parliament style album. Here's hoping

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 19:52 (two years ago) link

Some of this new album is interesting and maybe even good

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:17 (two years ago) link

chili otm

is the album better than the first single? it was unfunky....

Music is confidence (Ross), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 14:19 (two years ago) link

I think so, but need to listen some more

curmudgeon, Thursday, 24 May 2018 15:54 (two years ago) link

It reminds me more of old Funkadelic rather than Parliament

curmudgeon, Monday, 28 May 2018 05:32 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Poster posted on the Eddie Hazel Facebook account. Definitely would like to get with Mr. Peabody and set the Way Back Machine to go back and check out this Funkadelic/Parliament show at a high school in Bloomington, In in '71. That would be wild.

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/92791383_3403987076283582_4607404391299809280_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_oc=AQljsJMvvVZ6c7JOLnMFKRFiJyT9_XolUTOswGmwd6yVh0xaGLyHqIob1pB2eTM-2s_ZaL0lig7fYFqzbLILQF0A&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=38a469761299ae5b1a135661c4c66991&oe=5EBB1019

earlnash, Sunday, 12 April 2020 21:45 (one month ago) link

Nice!

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 April 2020 21:49 (one month ago) link

oh MAN.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 12 April 2020 22:12 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

One of the greatest of singles bands.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 April 2020 00:47 (one month ago) link

Cool, except "Meh" for "I Wanna Know If It’s Good to You" is absolutely insane!

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 April 2020 00:57 (one month ago) link

"I Wanna Know If It's Meh To You"

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 30 April 2020 01:05 (one month ago) link

otm

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 April 2020 01:23 (one month ago) link

Wonder if anyone else likes The Jackson 5’s version of “I’ll Bet You,” which I believe was sampled by The Beastie Boys on “Car Thief.”

Together Again Or (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 April 2020 01:25 (one month ago) link

Where is “Stuffs and Things”? That’s one of the best tracks!

thewufs, Thursday, 30 April 2020 02:20 (one month ago) link

The Jackson 5 version of “I’ll Bet You” RULES. It’s not better than the original, but it stays true to the spirit of Funkadelic while still sounding like the Jackson 5, which is no mean feat.

thewufs, Thursday, 30 April 2020 02:35 (one month ago) link

It probably helps that most of the Funkadelic album, including “I’ll Bet You,” was recorded with Motown session musicians. Eddie Hazel is probably the only member of the band’s original instrumental lineup who appears on every track. He sings a ton too. That first record is basically a showcase for Eddie’s singing and playing combined with George’s songwriting and production, abetted by assorted ringers from the Funk Brothers. Billy Bass and the rest of the Parliaments are here and there too, but it’s not really a “band” record.

thewufs, Thursday, 30 April 2020 02:45 (one month ago) link

"I'll Bet You" never stops astounding me.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 April 2020 02:45 (one month ago) link

Where is “Stuffs and Things”? That’s one of the best tracks!

― thewufs, Wednesday, April 29, 2020 10:20 PM (twenty-five minutes ago)

With an album this long, it's easy to forget stuffs 'n' things. Corrected.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 April 2020 02:46 (one month ago) link

The groove contains multitudes for sure.

thewufs, Thursday, 30 April 2020 02:46 (one month ago) link

Awesome! xp

thewufs, Thursday, 30 April 2020 02:47 (one month ago) link

Believe the first released version of “I’ll Bet You” was by co-author Theresa Lindsey in 1966 on Golden World.

Together Again Or (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 April 2020 06:58 (one month ago) link

I've just been listening through various episodes of a podcast called Couch Matters. So have heard hour long interviews with both Clinton and Bernie Worrell.
Worrell talked about influences including Keith Emerson as well as hanging out with Ted Nugent.
Interesting listen.
May be others from the P-funk access on there certainly others about as interesting. I don't know if I've come across an interview with Jah Shaka before.

Stevolende, Thursday, 30 April 2020 07:35 (one month ago) link

Cool, except "Meh" for "I Wanna Know If It’s Good to You" is absolutely insane!

― The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, April 30, 2020 1:57 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

^^^^^^^

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Thursday, 30 April 2020 08:10 (one month ago) link

Last year I did a dive into the Parliaments 45s on Revilot , which I had never really listened to except for "Testify", and was surprised at how many of them were later reworked into Funkadelic and PFunk tunes, such as this one thats an early version of "Can You Get to That":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjPBfVtBfBs

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 30 April 2020 12:33 (one month ago) link

Yes, there's lots of them. Waste not want not!

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 April 2020 12:34 (one month ago) link

re: Parliaments on Revilot - Tuff City Records has supposedly acquired the original multi-track tapes and have been preparing a double-LP of everything. They already released a 7" with two instrumental takes of The Parliaments doing "Sgt Peppers" (!!) plus a 10" of vocal and instrumental versions of 3 other tracks, but I can't find much info about the full compilation beyond what's printed on the back of the 10". I hope it comes to fruition, as the earlier grey-area CD compilations sound pretty wonky, and many of the original 45s are not cheap.

city worker, Thursday, 30 April 2020 14:08 (one month ago) link

Yeah, really hope that sees the light of day. I read something that seemed to imply that the Sgt Pepper recordings were sessions for an unfinished/unreleased LP, which would be amazing if true. Been dreaming about a nicely-done Parliaments Complete Revilot Recordings comp for a long time.

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Thursday, 30 April 2020 14:26 (one month ago) link

Good thread, y'all.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 April 2020 15:23 (one month ago) link

I've just been listening through various episodes of a podcast called Couch Matters. So have heard hour long interviews with both Clinton and Bernie Worrell.
Worrell talked about influences including Keith Emerson as well as hanging out with Ted Nugent.
Interesting listen.
May be others from the P-funk access on there certainly others about as interesting. I don't know if I've come across an interview with Jah Shaka before.

― Stevolende, Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:35 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I can't find a podcast called Couch Matters. Got a link?

🔫 (peace, man), Thursday, 30 April 2020 15:44 (one month ago) link

Must be this one:

https://www.spreaker.com/show/couch-wisdom

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Thursday, 30 April 2020 17:15 (one month ago) link

yeah probably is this is the Bernie Worrell one and you can probably find the George Clinton one from there. Think it may be a while earlier
https://open.spotify.com/episode/00Wlzj3vBRXrxs1ai81YTD?si=ld-7hF-lSVSGlUlPu8fTMQ

Stevolende, Thursday, 30 April 2020 17:23 (one month ago) link

Thank you! Wow, they've got a grip of good guests on there too! Subscribed.

Couch Matters made me think of the couch from Family Matters.

https://i.redd.it/3xi0v6mpg9f41.jpg

🔫 (peace, man), Thursday, 30 April 2020 17:24 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Came across this yesterday, had no idea it existed: an album of Bernie Worrell on solo piano, apparently recorded in 2013. Produced by Laswell

1. In A Silent Way
2. I'd Rather Be With You
3. Alabama
4. Goodbye Pork Pie Hat
5. Light On Water
6. Ooh Child
7. Samba Pa Ti
8. Realm Of Sight
9. I Wanna Go Outside In The Rain
10. Wings
11. Redemption Song

jaywbabcock, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 15:19 (two weeks ago) link

Cool. Have you told your brother?

Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 15:32 (two weeks ago) link

Huh, I guess it really was released on CD in 2013...? Anyways. Here's a perceptive/sympathetic review: https://ecmreviews.com/2016/04/27/bernie-worrell-elevation-the-upper-air/

jaywbabcock, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 16:04 (two weeks ago) link

Spocks — Yes, Josh has been informed.

jaywbabcock, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:15 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks. Please tell him James Redd says hello.

Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:35 (two weeks ago) link

That review is kinda annoying in its phrasing, but still gonna check that out. Missed it in 2013

curmudgeon, Sunday, 24 May 2020 05:24 (one week ago) link

imo Electric Spanking of War Babies is a very underrated moment in the P-Funk canon. I love the thin, hollow reverb on it, and there are some great tunes still, for being so late in the game.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 24 May 2020 06:14 (one week ago) link


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