British Folk (and Revival)

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I heard a piece on NPR today about the revival of British Folk. They also spoke of the older original British Folk bands. Does anyone know of a list or website that has all the info about this? You know, lists the bands, shows a tree, and the revival bands as well as the original ones... Let me know! Thanks, Jay

Jay Boucher, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It's suprisingly hard to find good Brit folk revival (and folk revival revival etc) info... partially bcz folkies generally don't like to think too hard about their music bcz it wld disrupt some of their foundational myths.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Tricky one, I've no idea about a 'revival' of British folk - it seems to have been going pretty strong since the popularisation of folk clubs over the last half-century. It's interesting what Raw Patrick says about folkies' "foundational myths"... I often find that most folkies actually have quite a narrow minded approach to folk-ish music that does not fall within certain boundaries. A friend of mine who runs a local folk club sees 60s 'psych folk' type bands as some kind of hideous embarassment and not something to be imitated at any cost! Then again, he's quite happy to listen to the vomit-inducing Jim Moray's cheesy electronic folk excursions, since he's somehow endorsed by the folk "establishment" (Radio 3?).

FWIW - a few of my favorite original British folkies:
Shiley & Dolly Collins
John Kirkpatrick (early 70s stuff is great)
The Watersons
Andy Irvine & Paul Brady
A L Lloyd
Nic Jones (criminally unsung!?)
...and many more...

Rombald, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

From the top of my mind, a British folk revival would include:

- Espers
- the return of Vashti Bunyan

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Perhaps:
- Feathers
- Faun Fables
- In Gowan Ring
- Colossus

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The English folk revival proper covers pretty much the whole of the 20th C., but I presume that what they were talking about on the radio is stuff a lot more modern than early Topic records recordings on 78. From the late 19th C. people begin trying to write down folk songs that are being lost as systems of local oral transmission are breaking down (even then the only people who knew some of these songs were the oldest people in the village.) But try discussing w/folkies that maybe there isn't a system of oral transmission anymore, or that folk, as is any music, is a social construct and not something that has existed forever, unchanging. They tend to get pissy, put it that way.

I would recommend these records as a way of getting into folk, or just for any reason whatsoever bcz they're fucking amazing:

Fairport Convention - Liege and Lief (Tam Lyn is amybe my favourite song ever.)
Steeleye Span - The Lark in the Morning (a two CD comp. of their first 3 LPs which is all you need by them - includes a transcendent version of When I Was on Horeseback. These LPs are also a big fave with Simon Reynolds)
Shirley Collins and the Albion Country Band - No Roses (the only folk album to feature someone to have played on a damned LP)

They should all be able to be found cheaply.

Alasdair Roberts - Farewell Sorrow is an excellent modern LP and on Drag City/Rough Trade so easy to find for indie kids.

The show might've been talking about Spiers and Boden or Eliza Carthy, who're more part of folk music 'proper' or anyone though, so this may be of no help.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

This would be a good book about the folk revival if the author could write, wasn't thick and it wasn't shit.

If anyone can point me toward good books on this subject I'd be very happy.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Also, Summerisle by Momus and Anne Laplantine is fucking great.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"As a long-time Momus fan I can hardly bring myself to utter these next few words - this album is by far his worst piece of work to date and I will not be listening to it again - EVER!!! I have never begrudged handing over my cash for a Momus album but this one will be going straight back to where I bought it for a refund." sez one satisfied Amazon reviewer!

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I dunno what Robald's talking about though bcz Jim Moray sounds groovy:

"English-rose front-man, Moray, laces the lyrics of folklore with powerful Matrix-styled guitars, film-score piano and a backing band which grinds together electric double bass and thundering drums. His presence on stage is something to behold. He looks scruffy on his website but he's beautiful in person.

Don't confuse this fresh indie approach with the folk rock of Fairport Convention or Steeleye Span, but rather be surprised to sense impressions of Ben Folds greets Depeche Mode greets Evanescence. It's all here, whichever musical genre ticks your box, Moray can offer it up without confusion or the awkwardness of musical experimentations. He even played the piano with his arms crossed at one point."

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

There is no doubt that British Folk from the 60s/70s is having a large influence on the Freak Folk/Free Folk/New Weird America scene.
No?

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

No doubt at all.. the new stuff doesn't measure up though, it's mostly pretty wussy. A lot of the 60s/70s stuff is rhythmically pretty hot and heavy in a way that the newer stuff isn't.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 15 December 2005 01:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Raw Patrick - good call on Spiers & Boden, I've seen them live a few times - always a pleasure.

Re: Jim Moray - I suppose the artists that provoke the strongest reactions are the most interesting... I like the idea that folk can be moved in new and strange directions, but what I've heard of Jim's music does nothing for me - the beats and sounds seemed a little clichéd and it all felt a bit MOR to me, I'm afraid. Shame, because I'd really like to like him! :(

Rombald, Thursday, 15 December 2005 08:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

As an addendum - perhaps JM will cut loose a bit more on his second album? IIRC his first was done as part of a university music course, so he may have had to play a bit safer?

I don't know how helpful it will be to the original poster, but http://www.theunbrokencircle.co.uk/ might turn up some interesting stuff, although it's more concerned with psychedelic, odd and abstract folky stuff (oldies like Incredible String Band, Comus, Forest and new stuff like the 'New Weird America' thing).

Rombald, Thursday, 15 December 2005 08:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

this is a pretty gd bk on the english folk revival:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0747553300/qid=1134640482/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/026-1867087-2774036

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

These LPs are also a big fave with Simon Reynolds

... and this is significant in what way exactly?

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I really like the Karine Polwart album.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The thing I don't really get is that the stuff which the young people seem to be calling new folk or wyrd folk or whatever doesn't really sound like folk to me, it sounds like folk-tinged singer songwriter material. Not that there's anything at all wrong with that, I like some of the stuff (especially King Creosote and some of his Fence mates). (NB this is an observation adapted from a theme taught to me in a pub one evening by Dadaismus, who knows a lot more about this stuff than I.)

The Eighteenth Day of May come closer than anyone else I've heard to that late 60s / early 70s British folk-rock sound. They're good.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Folkies aren't generally very hip people, no matter what age they are. That's just the way it seems to be. That's in Britain of course.

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Lucky Luke and Espers are both rockin' the actual britfolk thing, Pentangle and Fairport Convention style, but the latter suck.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I heard a song by each and wasn't enormously taken with eiter. I had it in my head that Espers were real actual Americans. Am I wrong about that?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I think they're Americans, but they totally sound exactly like Fairport Convention, only with the occasional (disappointing) freak-out and much, much weaker songs.

Lucky Luke (from Glasgow) are great, though... go see them live and/or anticipate the next record.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

A lot of the 60s/70s stuff is rhythmically pretty hot and heavy in a way that the newer stuff isn't.

Okay, so we're talking about folk rock here right,rather than straight-up trad folk, which can hot and heavy enough in its own addled way? I would love it if I could stumble on some decent bands that were ploughing the same sort of furrow as peak-era Fairport or Trees or whatever and that didn't suck outright. I know it's sort of backwards looking of me, but there's a certain clanging and organic feel and texture and god damn guitar sound that I never really feel I can hear enough of. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places. All I can think of right now that fit the bill in any way are Ghost and Acid Mothers Temple ca. La Novia. Certainly no British bands that I've come across.

X-posts: I don't mind Espers, but they seem rather too gentle for me. Lucky Luke I've heard of, but am yet to hear.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://www.thegreenmanfestival.co.uk/webpics/gm_logo_trans.gif

this is the place to go: http://www.thegreenmanfestival.co.uk/

for all your brit-folk needs!

also worth looking out for, a new compilation called Strange Folk, with tracks from the aforementioned Vashti, Tyranosaurus Rex, Donovan, Espers, Incredible String Band, Lucky Luke (iirc) and loads of other ace people I can't remember cos i left it at home.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

To play that sort of stuff you have to be a really shit hot musician - I mean, Richard Thompson, Swarbrick, Dave Mattacks, Martin Carthy etc etc. Prime time Fairport are like the Mahavishnu Orchestra in Arran sweaters.

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That is a fucking good way of putting it.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I wish more bands were interested in causing a ruckus rather than dancing round the bong like doe-eyed gnomes. I'm afraid we've left the bacchnalian part to Julian Cope and I think that's a fucking travesty.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Sorry, way too much coffee.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ISB are easier to do than Fairport/Steeleye... I know, I've tried

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

These LPs are also a big fave with Simon Reynolds

... and this is significant in what way exactly?

-- We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (dadaismu...), December 15th, 2005 9:56 AM. (Dada) (later)

I just thought it was ILM law to mention Reynolds whenever possible.

I wish there were more songs like Tam Lyn by Fairport, i.e funky Black Sabbath. Swedish doom band Witchcraft get there sometimes.

most of the the wyrd-folk stuff is only surface level weird. The second Steeleye recording of The Blacksmith is so much more bizarre than any of them, and that isn't even what it's trtying to do - what an amazing arrangement it has. Modern wyrd-folk types too much like Colin Hunt types... "You do have to be mad to work here but it doesn't help" etc.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I just thought it was ILM law to mention Reynolds whenever possible.

You're right

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Who was it who came up with the term "Wyrd Folk" in the first place? What a shit genre term! It stinks of a decal job - of someone imposing their bullshit meaning/issues or wtfe on something that already existed. Fuck that shit. I mean really. Fuck it.

The message I'm getting from this thread is that newer musicans aren't up to the standard of older musicians in folk music? Obviously ppl like mattacks, dransfield, guys from gryphon, thompson etc are hard to follow (evidence on eg Fairport's ROCKING live album "House Full") but I had kind of thought folk would be a genre where powerful/expressive musicianship/group playing would still be at some sort of premium. Dissapointing if not so.

Anyway, "No Roses" by Shirley Collins/Albion band is fucking great, and should get more props, basically.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Also, little known album is the comp of Etchingham Steam
Band recordings - Shirley C and Ashley H's "unplugged" ensemble from the early 1970's. Unplugged so they could still do gigs even when there power cuts! Worth picking up, anyway, as is anything w/Shirley C singing on it, TBH.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Yer right there Pash, "No Roses" is the fucking business

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

For me "The Murder of Maria Marten" is a strong contender for the best piece of music ever recorded. I ration myself, not listening to it too often because it's TOO POWERFUL.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Pashmina - No Roses is great, but don't you find the bass and drums on Albion Band and related albums (such as Morris On) somewhat... plodding and uninspired? Especially compared to Span or Fairport...
That said, I'll agree Maria Marten is absolutely incredible!

AFAIK the terrible term wyrd-folk was coined by Stone Breath's Tim Renner.

Rombald, Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Errrrrrrrrrrrr, bass and drums on "No Roses" - Hutchings (definitely) and Mattacks (probably)? Or Gerry Conway at least?

But, before I begin to sound like a prog rocker, you don't have to be a brilliant musician to play folk music - in fact, one of the reasons I got sick of that whole scene was its muso-ishness (especially, fiddle players who only want to play as fast and as twiddly as possible!). To play like Fairport you have to be pretty good tho of course!

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Pash, you have "Rise Up Like the Sun"?

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

That's how I got into liking folk music! John Peel playing "Poor Old Horse" after he'd finished playing siouxsie and the banshees etc back in the late '70's.


Morris On I like, other Albions stuff I'm not mad on, really. Perhaps the drums are why? I haven't listened to any for a while.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Another album not much talked about but which I'm very fond: "Storm Force Ten" by Steeleye, 1978 edition

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Pash, you have "Rise Up Like the Sun"?

That's a good record that is. 'Lay Me Low' or whatever it's called just kills me. Totally tramples over any sort of aesthetic barriers I might have erected against that sort of soppy twaddle and stomps all over my jaded old heart. Sniffle.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh, it's a heartbreaker that one... especially in conjunction with the "Ampleforth" tune. Then there's the "Gresford Disaster"! (Sniffles turned to floods by now)

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Also search Bert Jansch, Roy Harper.

Didn't really know there was any "revival" of British folk right now in terms of new bands playing it. I knew there was a revival of interest in the last few years, otherwise I wouldn't really know who Fairport Convention was, honestly.

I've often thought that 60s British folk revivalists treated folk music with much more respect and subtlty than their American counterparts did (who went for "simplicity" and "rawness"). This might also explain why I find Brit bands better at playing blues than their white American counterparts.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Suspect the forthcoming, budget-priced 4 CD Anthems in Eden [An Anthology of British and Irish Folk 1955-1978] should be on your wish list for the new year. From Lonnie Donnegan to Comus is a weird ride....

ortho_bob (ortho_bob), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Not to deny your 'Maria Marten' love, Pash, but I've always found that 'Poor Murdered Woman' slays me even more - it's not as weird, sure, but it genuinely affects me on a mental and physical level like little else I can think of (ie. it makes me want to cry).

myopic_void (myopic_void), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:28 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm with you on that one, "Poor Murdered Woman", it's so journalistic and unsensational

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And I might as well declare that I prefer the first Steeleye album to Liege and Lief. And Full House is also superior imo. S: 'Poor Will and the Jolly Hangman', there's little better. And I've really been getting into those Richard & Linda albums. 'Calvary Cross', ... whoah.

myopic_void (myopic_void), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Espers sound NOTHING like Fairport Convention.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

so wait, Espers are trying to sound like Fairport Convention who were trying to sound like Jefferson Airplane?

search: Shirley and Dolly Collins "Plains of Waterloo."

and sweet heavens, some forty posts in let me be the first to say the hallowed name of Davy Graham.

imbidimts, Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Espers sound NOTHING like Fairport Convention.

Have you seen them? Because they fucking do. Or did when they opened for Devendra in Edinburgh. But crap.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

There's no Shirley but Dolly arranged all the music on the Peter Bellamy album on that list.

i'll be your mraz (NickB), Monday, 16 September 2013 13:57 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDCj-5uBXQI

^ this is a song off it with Norma Waterson singing, it's lovely

i'll be your mraz (NickB), Monday, 16 September 2013 13:58 (three years ago) Permalink

DID she? I'll have to look that up!! Her arrangements are the best.

no fomo (La Lechera), Monday, 16 September 2013 14:00 (three years ago) Permalink

The Transports was a folk-opera written by Peter Bellamy and released on Free Reed Records in 1977. It is often cited as Bellamy's greatest achievement. It featured many artists from the 1970s English folk revival, including The Watersons, Martin Carthy, Nic Jones, A. L. Lloyd, June Tabor, Cyril Tawney and Dave Swarbrick. The orchestral arrangements were by Dolly Collins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transports

i'll be your mraz (NickB), Monday, 16 September 2013 14:05 (three years ago) Permalink

I've got that, some, uhhhhhhhhh, challenging vocals on that one.

Sure is a grim and grimey picture on the cover.

LOL, yeah, really selling it

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Monday, 16 September 2013 14:50 (three years ago) Permalink

Just seen that this is on BBC4 tonight -> The Enigma of Nic Jones: Return of Britain's Lost Folk Hero

i'll be your mraz (NickB), Friday, 27 September 2013 18:23 (three years ago) Permalink

yeah was gonna flag that. assume it's new?

how do i shot cwmbran? (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 September 2013 18:48 (three years ago) Permalink

cool, i've watched a clip of it, but didn't know if it was going to be shown or had even been completed.
http://vimeo.com/71491414

tylerw, Friday, 27 September 2013 18:51 (three years ago) Permalink

first time it's aired afaik

i'll be your mraz (NickB), Friday, 27 September 2013 19:40 (three years ago) Permalink

Think I read something on the programme a while back so assumed it must have been a repeat. Can't think when I read it or where though. Helpful. Did either Mojo or Uncut run something on him a while back with something on it? Or failing that the Observer?

Stevolende, Friday, 27 September 2013 22:08 (three years ago) Permalink

gotta say i'm not mad nuts about programmes so heavily dependent on talking heads, but where so little archive footage exists it was always going to be the case here. that said, it was really good seeing nic soldiering on with that aura of peace and jolliness about him, though he does seem scarily frail for someone in their mid 60s; techy guitar bits were interesting, though i'm sure they'd mean more to tyler than they did to me; martin carthy was as good value as ever. that bit about them having to retrieve nic's teeth from his lungs after the car crash was plain O_O.

i'll be your mraz (NickB), Friday, 27 September 2013 23:09 (three years ago) Permalink

feel like a terrible curmudgeon not being 100% yay! about it though tbh

i'll be your mraz (NickB), Friday, 27 September 2013 23:22 (three years ago) Permalink

i think that's ok, its shortcomings - bits i saw whilst attending to kids, will catch up on iPlayer when i've got some alone time - are really the result of a career cut cruelly short

how do i shot cwmbran? (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 September 2013 23:25 (three years ago) Permalink

was pretty good i thought

made me want to pick up penguin eggs

not a sentence i thought i'd ever say

zvookster, Saturday, 28 September 2013 00:26 (three years ago) Permalink

in the absence of footage from the era

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2PxsHBv0ps

so good

how do i shot cwmbran? (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 28 September 2013 00:31 (three years ago) Permalink

i've got the s/t on mp3 and a live one ripped from a library copy, it's ridiculous he's not more available

The unavailability of Nic Jones, Bright Phoebus and quite a few others seems to be down to the late Dave Bulmer who owned the copyright on them and for reasons best known to himself never released them properly. Doesn't seem to have been any discussion on this thread about this situation. More here:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/oct/10/bright-phoebus-waterson-toured-hawley-cocker-album

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Friday, 11 October 2013 08:27 (three years ago) Permalink

a brief nod to this story from mike a couple of years ago

I saw Martin Carthy and Dave Swarbrick last week. First set a bit doddery, second set AMAZING. My partner asked Carthy about the "lost" 1972 Lal & Mike Waterson album Bright Phoebus, which also features Carthy, Maddy Prior, Tim Hart & Norma Waterson - there was a BBC Radio 4 doc about it the other week. Carthy told him that the reissue rights had been acquired by a "bastard", from whom no artist royalties flow. His advice: grab a free copy. So we did:

http://witchseason.blogspot.com/2007/06/cheap-red-wine-in-my-drunken-brain.html

It's a superb record.

― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 13 September 2011 11:18 (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I like to tackle hard and am crazy (Noodle Vague), Friday, 11 October 2013 12:18 (three years ago) Permalink

I have a copy of that lp that was doing the rounds about 10 years ago. I think it's on cdr but has an official looking sleeve. Not looked at it recently but did burn it to hard drive a few months ago so that i could listen to it through my computer. has some great stuff on it definitely.

Stevolende, Friday, 11 October 2013 12:35 (three years ago) Permalink

That Robin and Barry Dransfield album is great.

I love the title track, I forget what I thought when I finally heard the whole album. (No I don't listen to much of this stuff, but I have listened to more in the past.)

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:40 (three years ago) Permalink

rout of the blues <3

velko, Saturday, 12 October 2013 03:44 (three years ago) Permalink

Saw 'Bright Phoebus Revisited' last night at the Barb. It was v. uneven but there was more than enough mesmerizing brilliance on show to make up for the dud moments. I wish I could afford to see them again in Bristol at the end of the tour, when they will nail it.

one over two first letter human (Zora), Saturday, 12 October 2013 07:43 (three years ago) Permalink

Have been indulging in some epic dithering about whether to go and see that tour or not. Don't think we get Jarvis Cocker here, and much as I like him as a character and a performer, I could probably do without his presence overshadowing the songs. How was his turn?

gotta lol geir (NickB), Saturday, 12 October 2013 09:27 (three years ago) Permalink

He did two proper songs (The Scarecrow and The Beast), and a kind of cameo as the Magical Man. He seemed to change his mind about where to pitch The Scarecrow after the first verse, so it went from spooky and deep, but only marginally tuneful, to much lighter and more musical but without the weird edge - I'd be interested to see which he goes with next time. The Beast was really good, really drew you in. It's hard to convey the contrast between Cocker and the pro folk singers - it's not like they can't do expressive, intimate or scary/vulnerable, because by damn they can. But there's something about Jarvis that sets him apart.

So, I thought he added something v.v. interesting without overshadowing anything, tho putting the poor chap in a chorus line for the big closing numbers was an odd thing to do. The awkwardness and intensity that makes him so compelling when he's up there on his own becomes discomfiting when his voice is inaudible and he's standing in a row with a load of Waterson/Carthys. He looked like a beardy alien. <3

one over two first letter human (Zora), Saturday, 12 October 2013 09:58 (three years ago) Permalink

i fell out of respect with J Cocker a long time ago and am kinda sad that he has any presence in this thing amongst some of my fave writers and performers so i'm afraid i'm out

I like to tackle hard and am crazy (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 12 October 2013 10:04 (three years ago) Permalink

nose/face

he's not on stage for most of it and you will miss out on astonishing harmonies from Eliza, Marry and Kima, pshaw

one over two first letter human (Zora), Saturday, 12 October 2013 10:11 (three years ago) Permalink

Looks like my copy of Bright Phoebus came out on a label called Trailer sometime around 2000. Seemed to be an official release a t the time but the company was pretty small so was doing cdrs instead of actual cds. I think that was somewhat common at the time among labels doing small pressings, is it still? Don't think there was as much digital d/ld presence at the time, or if there was it seemed to be strictly mp3.

Got the lp lined up to play next after a '75 Rahsaan Roland Kirk live set.

Stevolende, Saturday, 12 October 2013 12:32 (three years ago) Permalink

http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/music/bright-phoebus-revisited-barbican--music-review-8878576.html

"Jarvis Cocker of novelty band Pulp" ??

mahb, Tuesday, 15 October 2013 12:25 (three years ago) Permalink

LOL

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 12:29 (three years ago) Permalink

Went and saw the Bright Phoebus thing last night, have never seen any of the Waterson/Carthy tribe live before so it was great to see those people. Eliza Carthy especially did a great job, I think maybe the whole performance would have struggled without her - definitely the person who seemed to be having the most fun on stage and her voice is terrific. Norma too actually, but obviously she's getting on so was a bit less active. No Jarvis here, so it was a slightly creepy young guy called John Smith who sang The Scarecrow, but he did exactly the same gruff voice in the first and last verses that Zora described, gave it a slight Playaway/Worzel Gummidge let's-pretend-to-be-scarecrows vibe. Kind of a shame, it's my favourite song on the album - lyrically it's a pretty heavy meditation on mortality and generational succession, but it's also the difference in delivery between that and the likes of Rubber Band and Magical Man that make it hit so hard, like a raw winter wind tearing through to your bones. Richard Hawley turned Danny Rose into a bit of a Ringo number, but also told a good story - he was wondering about the mystical side of some of Lal's songs, so over a cup of tea one day he asked Norma whether Lal had ever taken any magic mushrooms. The reply was 'no, but she did eat a lot of pickled onions'. Also bloody hell, aside from her dad's red hair does Kamila Thompson (Dickie & Linda's daughter) look like her mother or what?

gotta lol geir (NickB), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 09:32 (three years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

worth checking out if you're into this stuff! http://landless.bandcamp.com/

tylerw, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 21:52 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

...and likewise, the new Lutine album is great. Quite sparse sounding but very soft and delicate. Love this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9bhdCftGNA

john wahey (NickB), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 15:05 (two years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

some great names in that lineup. didn't know oak had reformed!

no lime tangier, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 06:15 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jan/25/ten-thousand-times-adieu-review-bob-copper-cecil-sharp-house-folk

a shirley collins/linda thompson duet of a blind willie johnson song?!

no lime tangier, Monday, 26 January 2015 12:24 (two years ago) Permalink

blimey

why you gotta be so rmde (NickB), Monday, 26 January 2015 13:08 (two years ago) Permalink

more info on the shirley collins movie facebook page btw, which was where that photo is from

why you gotta be so rmde (NickB), Monday, 26 January 2015 14:10 (two years ago) Permalink

From Rolling Reissues 2015:

Bridget St John has a 4cd set of her 3 Dandelion lps & some BBC sessions released in February. I know there were individual releases of the lps about a decade back. I'm not sure if these are those masters or not. The set is listed on the Cherry Red site at £13.95 and may be cheaper elsewhere.
Her voice has been likened to Nico and she mined a similar individualistic semiacoustic quasi-folk area to people like Nick Drake, John Martyn, Duncan Browne, Shelagh McDonald etc.

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dow, Monday, 26 January 2015 14:16 (two years ago) Permalink

only know the 1st st. john album which i seem to recall features john martyn's slide playing on a couple of tracks (long time since i last played it)

xpost: nice photo and according to the facebook page, that's the very excellent john kirkpatrick way at the end there!

no lime tangier, Monday, 26 January 2015 14:36 (two years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06mfqc8

Maddy Prior has been the lead singer of Steeleye Span since they first began in 1969. Since then the band has had dozens of members, some have left for good, some have left and re-joined, Maddy herself, who is still with Steeleye, describes it as a 'bus' with people jumping on and off.

In the first of two programmes Maddy and her daughter Rose Kemp discuss how music has taken them in different directions.

Whereas Maddy is at the very heart of the folk and traditional music establishment, Rose is a major artist in the doom and drone metal scene, the slower heavier take on heavy metal. Together Maddy and Rose discuss their music and how it was they have followed such different musical paths.

As part of this two part series Rose and Maddy have composed and recorded brand new, original songs alongside artists, especially selected by the other.

Rose has linked up with Bellowhead front man John Boden to record a song she has written to explore the difficult subject of rape in marriage while Maddy has been paired with Dylan Carlson, part of the Seattle music scene and head of the metal band Earth. Long standing fans of Maddy's and Steeleye will definitely be surprised at the way she uses her famous voice to fit the guitars of Carlson's arrangement.

Along the way, Rose and Maddy come together to discuss the world of folk and metal music, feminism and misogyny in the folk world, spirituality, and how they view the world and their relationship through their entirely different musical styles.

Sheriff U. Agri (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 10:56 (one year ago) Permalink

this sounds really cool although whoever wrote ^that up has either never heard Earth or Rose Kemp's music, or is wilfully exaggerating the degree of contrast to make it seem more striking

Sheriff U. Agri (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 10:58 (one year ago) Permalink

Interesting, Maddy is my favourite UK female folk singer (and, yes, that includes Sandy Denny and Shirley Collins).

Riga Tony (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 10:59 (one year ago) Permalink

whoa that is really cool, although yeah, they're all folk artists really, even ol' dylan

thought rose kemp had retired! her final album was flat-out incredible

twunty fifteen (imago), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 11:11 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Anybody hear that show? Was it good?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 01:35 (one year ago) Permalink

one year passes...

damnnnn, excited for that. such an amazing record (and so hard to come by!). glad it is finally getting the treatment it deserves.

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 14:52 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

My copy of Bright Phoebus arrived today. Haven't had a chance to listen yet, looks good, but that's pretty early, right? I thought it was supposed to be early August...

Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Thursday, 13 July 2017 17:21 (one week ago) Permalink

i'm enjoying the newest album from this Sharron Kraus project https://rusalnaia.bandcamp.com/album/time-takes-away

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 14 July 2017 15:31 (six days ago) Permalink

xp yeah, been seeing that people are getting that Phoebus reissue! jealous ... going off to order it now.

tylerw, Friday, 14 July 2017 15:35 (six days ago) Permalink


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