British Folk (and Revival)

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I heard a piece on NPR today about the revival of British Folk. They also spoke of the older original British Folk bands. Does anyone know of a list or website that has all the info about this? You know, lists the bands, shows a tree, and the revival bands as well as the original ones... Let me know! Thanks, Jay

Jay Boucher, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's suprisingly hard to find good Brit folk revival (and folk revival revival etc) info... partially bcz folkies generally don't like to think too hard about their music bcz it wld disrupt some of their foundational myths.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Tricky one, I've no idea about a 'revival' of British folk - it seems to have been going pretty strong since the popularisation of folk clubs over the last half-century. It's interesting what Raw Patrick says about folkies' "foundational myths"... I often find that most folkies actually have quite a narrow minded approach to folk-ish music that does not fall within certain boundaries. A friend of mine who runs a local folk club sees 60s 'psych folk' type bands as some kind of hideous embarassment and not something to be imitated at any cost! Then again, he's quite happy to listen to the vomit-inducing Jim Moray's cheesy electronic folk excursions, since he's somehow endorsed by the folk "establishment" (Radio 3?).

FWIW - a few of my favorite original British folkies:
Shiley & Dolly Collins
John Kirkpatrick (early 70s stuff is great)
The Watersons
Andy Irvine & Paul Brady
A L Lloyd
Nic Jones (criminally unsung!?)
...and many more...

Rombald, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

From the top of my mind, a British folk revival would include:

- Espers
- the return of Vashti Bunyan

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Perhaps:
- Feathers
- Faun Fables
- In Gowan Ring
- Colossus

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The English folk revival proper covers pretty much the whole of the 20th C., but I presume that what they were talking about on the radio is stuff a lot more modern than early Topic records recordings on 78. From the late 19th C. people begin trying to write down folk songs that are being lost as systems of local oral transmission are breaking down (even then the only people who knew some of these songs were the oldest people in the village.) But try discussing w/folkies that maybe there isn't a system of oral transmission anymore, or that folk, as is any music, is a social construct and not something that has existed forever, unchanging. They tend to get pissy, put it that way.

I would recommend these records as a way of getting into folk, or just for any reason whatsoever bcz they're fucking amazing:

Fairport Convention - Liege and Lief (Tam Lyn is amybe my favourite song ever.)
Steeleye Span - The Lark in the Morning (a two CD comp. of their first 3 LPs which is all you need by them - includes a transcendent version of When I Was on Horeseback. These LPs are also a big fave with Simon Reynolds)
Shirley Collins and the Albion Country Band - No Roses (the only folk album to feature someone to have played on a damned LP)

They should all be able to be found cheaply.

Alasdair Roberts - Farewell Sorrow is an excellent modern LP and on Drag City/Rough Trade so easy to find for indie kids.

The show might've been talking about Spiers and Boden or Eliza Carthy, who're more part of folk music 'proper' or anyone though, so this may be of no help.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

This would be a good book about the folk revival if the author could write, wasn't thick and it wasn't shit.

If anyone can point me toward good books on this subject I'd be very happy.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Also, Summerisle by Momus and Anne Laplantine is fucking great.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:40 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"As a long-time Momus fan I can hardly bring myself to utter these next few words - this album is by far his worst piece of work to date and I will not be listening to it again - EVER!!! I have never begrudged handing over my cash for a Momus album but this one will be going straight back to where I bought it for a refund." sez one satisfied Amazon reviewer!

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I dunno what Robald's talking about though bcz Jim Moray sounds groovy:

"English-rose front-man, Moray, laces the lyrics of folklore with powerful Matrix-styled guitars, film-score piano and a backing band which grinds together electric double bass and thundering drums. His presence on stage is something to behold. He looks scruffy on his website but he's beautiful in person.

Don't confuse this fresh indie approach with the folk rock of Fairport Convention or Steeleye Span, but rather be surprised to sense impressions of Ben Folds greets Depeche Mode greets Evanescence. It's all here, whichever musical genre ticks your box, Moray can offer it up without confusion or the awkwardness of musical experimentations. He even played the piano with his arms crossed at one point."

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

There is no doubt that British Folk from the 60s/70s is having a large influence on the Freak Folk/Free Folk/New Weird America scene.
No?

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 15 December 2005 00:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

No doubt at all.. the new stuff doesn't measure up though, it's mostly pretty wussy. A lot of the 60s/70s stuff is rhythmically pretty hot and heavy in a way that the newer stuff isn't.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 15 December 2005 01:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Raw Patrick - good call on Spiers & Boden, I've seen them live a few times - always a pleasure.

Re: Jim Moray - I suppose the artists that provoke the strongest reactions are the most interesting... I like the idea that folk can be moved in new and strange directions, but what I've heard of Jim's music does nothing for me - the beats and sounds seemed a little clichéd and it all felt a bit MOR to me, I'm afraid. Shame, because I'd really like to like him! :(

Rombald, Thursday, 15 December 2005 08:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

As an addendum - perhaps JM will cut loose a bit more on his second album? IIRC his first was done as part of a university music course, so he may have had to play a bit safer?

I don't know how helpful it will be to the original poster, but http://www.theunbrokencircle.co.uk/ might turn up some interesting stuff, although it's more concerned with psychedelic, odd and abstract folky stuff (oldies like Incredible String Band, Comus, Forest and new stuff like the 'New Weird America' thing).

Rombald, Thursday, 15 December 2005 08:17 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

this is a pretty gd bk on the english folk revival:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0747553300/qid=1134640482/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/026-1867087-2774036

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

These LPs are also a big fave with Simon Reynolds

... and this is significant in what way exactly?

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 09:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I really like the Karine Polwart album.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The thing I don't really get is that the stuff which the young people seem to be calling new folk or wyrd folk or whatever doesn't really sound like folk to me, it sounds like folk-tinged singer songwriter material. Not that there's anything at all wrong with that, I like some of the stuff (especially King Creosote and some of his Fence mates). (NB this is an observation adapted from a theme taught to me in a pub one evening by Dadaismus, who knows a lot more about this stuff than I.)

The Eighteenth Day of May come closer than anyone else I've heard to that late 60s / early 70s British folk-rock sound. They're good.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Folkies aren't generally very hip people, no matter what age they are. That's just the way it seems to be. That's in Britain of course.

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Lucky Luke and Espers are both rockin' the actual britfolk thing, Pentangle and Fairport Convention style, but the latter suck.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:15 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I heard a song by each and wasn't enormously taken with eiter. I had it in my head that Espers were real actual Americans. Am I wrong about that?

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:24 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I think they're Americans, but they totally sound exactly like Fairport Convention, only with the occasional (disappointing) freak-out and much, much weaker songs.

Lucky Luke (from Glasgow) are great, though... go see them live and/or anticipate the next record.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

A lot of the 60s/70s stuff is rhythmically pretty hot and heavy in a way that the newer stuff isn't.

Okay, so we're talking about folk rock here right,rather than straight-up trad folk, which can hot and heavy enough in its own addled way? I would love it if I could stumble on some decent bands that were ploughing the same sort of furrow as peak-era Fairport or Trees or whatever and that didn't suck outright. I know it's sort of backwards looking of me, but there's a certain clanging and organic feel and texture and god damn guitar sound that I never really feel I can hear enough of. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places. All I can think of right now that fit the bill in any way are Ghost and Acid Mothers Temple ca. La Novia. Certainly no British bands that I've come across.

X-posts: I don't mind Espers, but they seem rather too gentle for me. Lucky Luke I've heard of, but am yet to hear.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

http://www.thegreenmanfestival.co.uk/webpics/gm_logo_trans.gif

this is the place to go: http://www.thegreenmanfestival.co.uk/

for all your brit-folk needs!

also worth looking out for, a new compilation called Strange Folk, with tracks from the aforementioned Vashti, Tyranosaurus Rex, Donovan, Espers, Incredible String Band, Lucky Luke (iirc) and loads of other ace people I can't remember cos i left it at home.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

To play that sort of stuff you have to be a really shit hot musician - I mean, Richard Thompson, Swarbrick, Dave Mattacks, Martin Carthy etc etc. Prime time Fairport are like the Mahavishnu Orchestra in Arran sweaters.

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That is a fucking good way of putting it.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I wish more bands were interested in causing a ruckus rather than dancing round the bong like doe-eyed gnomes. I'm afraid we've left the bacchnalian part to Julian Cope and I think that's a fucking travesty.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sorry, way too much coffee.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ISB are easier to do than Fairport/Steeleye... I know, I've tried

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 10:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

These LPs are also a big fave with Simon Reynolds

... and this is significant in what way exactly?

-- We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (dadaismu...), December 15th, 2005 9:56 AM. (Dada) (later)

I just thought it was ILM law to mention Reynolds whenever possible.

I wish there were more songs like Tam Lyn by Fairport, i.e funky Black Sabbath. Swedish doom band Witchcraft get there sometimes.

most of the the wyrd-folk stuff is only surface level weird. The second Steeleye recording of The Blacksmith is so much more bizarre than any of them, and that isn't even what it's trtying to do - what an amazing arrangement it has. Modern wyrd-folk types too much like Colin Hunt types... "You do have to be mad to work here but it doesn't help" etc.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:04 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I just thought it was ILM law to mention Reynolds whenever possible.

You're right

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Who was it who came up with the term "Wyrd Folk" in the first place? What a shit genre term! It stinks of a decal job - of someone imposing their bullshit meaning/issues or wtfe on something that already existed. Fuck that shit. I mean really. Fuck it.

The message I'm getting from this thread is that newer musicans aren't up to the standard of older musicians in folk music? Obviously ppl like mattacks, dransfield, guys from gryphon, thompson etc are hard to follow (evidence on eg Fairport's ROCKING live album "House Full") but I had kind of thought folk would be a genre where powerful/expressive musicianship/group playing would still be at some sort of premium. Dissapointing if not so.

Anyway, "No Roses" by Shirley Collins/Albion band is fucking great, and should get more props, basically.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:25 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Also, little known album is the comp of Etchingham Steam
Band recordings - Shirley C and Ashley H's "unplugged" ensemble from the early 1970's. Unplugged so they could still do gigs even when there power cuts! Worth picking up, anyway, as is anything w/Shirley C singing on it, TBH.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Yer right there Pash, "No Roses" is the fucking business

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

For me "The Murder of Maria Marten" is a strong contender for the best piece of music ever recorded. I ration myself, not listening to it too often because it's TOO POWERFUL.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Pashmina - No Roses is great, but don't you find the bass and drums on Albion Band and related albums (such as Morris On) somewhat... plodding and uninspired? Especially compared to Span or Fairport...
That said, I'll agree Maria Marten is absolutely incredible!

AFAIK the terrible term wyrd-folk was coined by Stone Breath's Tim Renner.

Rombald, Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Errrrrrrrrrrrr, bass and drums on "No Roses" - Hutchings (definitely) and Mattacks (probably)? Or Gerry Conway at least?

But, before I begin to sound like a prog rocker, you don't have to be a brilliant musician to play folk music - in fact, one of the reasons I got sick of that whole scene was its muso-ishness (especially, fiddle players who only want to play as fast and as twiddly as possible!). To play like Fairport you have to be pretty good tho of course!

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Pash, you have "Rise Up Like the Sun"?

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:37 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

That's how I got into liking folk music! John Peel playing "Poor Old Horse" after he'd finished playing siouxsie and the banshees etc back in the late '70's.


Morris On I like, other Albions stuff I'm not mad on, really. Perhaps the drums are why? I haven't listened to any for a while.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Another album not much talked about but which I'm very fond: "Storm Force Ten" by Steeleye, 1978 edition

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Pash, you have "Rise Up Like the Sun"?

That's a good record that is. 'Lay Me Low' or whatever it's called just kills me. Totally tramples over any sort of aesthetic barriers I might have erected against that sort of soppy twaddle and stomps all over my jaded old heart. Sniffle.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:45 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, it's a heartbreaker that one... especially in conjunction with the "Ampleforth" tune. Then there's the "Gresford Disaster"! (Sniffles turned to floods by now)

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Also search Bert Jansch, Roy Harper.

Didn't really know there was any "revival" of British folk right now in terms of new bands playing it. I knew there was a revival of interest in the last few years, otherwise I wouldn't really know who Fairport Convention was, honestly.

I've often thought that 60s British folk revivalists treated folk music with much more respect and subtlty than their American counterparts did (who went for "simplicity" and "rawness"). This might also explain why I find Brit bands better at playing blues than their white American counterparts.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Suspect the forthcoming, budget-priced 4 CD Anthems in Eden [An Anthology of British and Irish Folk 1955-1978] should be on your wish list for the new year. From Lonnie Donnegan to Comus is a weird ride....

ortho_bob (ortho_bob), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Not to deny your 'Maria Marten' love, Pash, but I've always found that 'Poor Murdered Woman' slays me even more - it's not as weird, sure, but it genuinely affects me on a mental and physical level like little else I can think of (ie. it makes me want to cry).

myopic_void (myopic_void), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm with you on that one, "Poor Murdered Woman", it's so journalistic and unsensational

We Buy a Hammer For Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And I might as well declare that I prefer the first Steeleye album to Liege and Lief. And Full House is also superior imo. S: 'Poor Will and the Jolly Hangman', there's little better. And I've really been getting into those Richard & Linda albums. 'Calvary Cross', ... whoah.

myopic_void (myopic_void), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Espers sound NOTHING like Fairport Convention.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

so wait, Espers are trying to sound like Fairport Convention who were trying to sound like Jefferson Airplane?

search: Shirley and Dolly Collins "Plains of Waterloo."

and sweet heavens, some forty posts in let me be the first to say the hallowed name of Davy Graham.

imbidimts, Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Espers sound NOTHING like Fairport Convention.

Have you seen them? Because they fucking do. Or did when they opened for Devendra in Edinburgh. But crap.

sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:19 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Reminds me of similar problems with records on CD Presents or SST where the label legally owns the records but don't pay royalties or allow anyone to reissue them

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 1 December 2018 20:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Fantastic record and the demos disc is/ was excellent. Crazy that it was all unauthorized!

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 1 December 2018 20:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

if the musicians involved weren't getting paid anyway I don't feel too bad about buying the Domino reissue which I, uh, just did

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 December 2018 21:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

But isn't the story that the Domino reissue was done with the master tapes - how did they get them?

kraudive, Saturday, 1 December 2018 21:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Oliver Knight is a sound engineer and Lal Waterson's son... perhaps he had them?

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 December 2018 21:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This article on the proceeding doesn't do much clarify the dispute ("Domino was found to have no prospect of a defence, and the matter was summarily decided":

https://www.harrogateadvertiser.co.uk/whats-on/harrogate-record-label-wins-fight-against-famous-company-1-9471219

Confusingly, Financial Times at the time of the reissue last year:

Just 2,000 copies were manufactured in 1972, half of them unplayable because the hole was pressed off-centre. With lukewarm support from fans, the album went out of print. Financial problems forced Leader to sell his record labels. The new owner, Highway, sold the rights to a third company, Celtic Music, which focused on Leader’s recordings of Irish traditional music. Bright Phoebus remained unreleased.

But its reputation grew. In 2013 the Bright Phoebus Revisited Tour, featuring a band that included Marry, Carthy and Hawley with Jarvis Cocker, along with a BBC Radio 4 documentary, provided clear evidence of strong interest in the album. “It was ahead of its time,” says Marry. With demand for its release from a growing number of fervent fans unswayed by arcane arguments about folk music purity, Domino Records has bought the rights and remastered it. “It feels bloody great,” says Marry.


https://www.ft.com/content/b99de558-6dff-11e7-b9c7-15af748b60d0

Eliza Carthy is retweeting folks encouraging people to buy the Domino release and calling it a "tragedy in performing art." It seems possible that ownership of the copyright was disputed between Celtic Music (the prevailing party here) and the Watersons' heirs (who Domino "bought the rights from," got the masters and were paying royalties to?).

In any case, a lovely record. Sad to have the copyright holder, with no connection to the artists, or even the original label, keep it from listeners (or keep a crap version in circ).

by the light of the burning Citroën, Saturday, 1 December 2018 21:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah Domino don't seem like the bad guys here

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 1 December 2018 21:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm not sure I believe that only 2000 copies were ever printed story because, when I lived in Glasgow, I had a copy and at least two other people I knew also had copies - and it didn't cost an arm and a leg either.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Saturday, 1 December 2018 21:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

... pressed, not feckin' printed!

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Saturday, 1 December 2018 21:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

original pressing was 2k with 1k viable, it did have at least two other vinyl pressings according to Discogs

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 December 2018 21:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i went to see one of the bright phoebus revisited concerts - eliza carthy, martin carthy, norma waterson, marry waterson (lal's daughter) plus richard hawley and some other people. really good, though martin c. was the only person there who actually played on the original record iirc

my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Saturday, 1 December 2018 21:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

original pressing was 2k with 1k viable, it did have at least two other vinyl pressings according to Discogs

That explains it! I wondered why it was so cheap!

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Saturday, 1 December 2018 22:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

... other than the fact that no-one was interested it in those days.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Saturday, 1 December 2018 22:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I bought it when it was first (re)released on vinyl. And I love it. It bugs me if they get nothing from it, of course.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Sunday, 2 December 2018 00:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Some of this album is so very Hull it adds an extra layer of intimacy and relevance for me

Bound 4 da Remoan (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 December 2018 00:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It could really do without Rubber Band, Magical Man, and Shady Lady - but the rest is so good (including the early stuff on the second record.)

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Sunday, 2 December 2018 00:25 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ah they're part of the mix of the album. "Shady Lady" I really enjoy some days, obv those are three are probably nobody's favourites

Bound 4 da Remoan (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 December 2018 00:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

They certainly give off a "Watersons gig in a lively pub" vibe

Bound 4 da Remoan (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 December 2018 00:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Loving Frost and Fire lately

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 2 December 2018 00:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Frost and Fire is fab. I like A Yorkshire Garland even more. Watersons is great winter music imo.

Bound 4 da Remoan (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 December 2018 00:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

love 'frost and fire', never got round to 'a yorkshire garland'. noodle vague will know this but this is crucial, beautiful watersons viewing:

https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-travelling-for-a-living-1966-online

my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Sunday, 2 December 2018 08:10 (two weeks ago) Permalink

twenty minutes into watching it again and even for a music documentary, there's so much booze and fags in that

my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Sunday, 2 December 2018 08:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

other thing i loved was that norma seems to go on tour with a platypus nailed to a plank

my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Sunday, 2 December 2018 08:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Haven't seen the whole doc before! Only clips on YouTube.

Bound 4 da Remoan (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 2 December 2018 11:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ah well enjoy! rubber band haterz might feel differently after seeing it btw, mike seems like a sweet guy and that daftness is part and parcel of his charm

my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Sunday, 2 December 2018 11:47 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it’s the other guy with his hair and his porn and his beatles records you need to worry about

my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Sunday, 2 December 2018 11:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i’d never heard of bright phoebus despite yorkshire garland and frost and fire being long time favourites. i’ve listened to it now thanks to this thread and it’s wonderful.

i have a high level of tolerance for elastic band/magical man/shady lady - they’re cornball but the sound of having fun and sit well amongst the rawness of the other songs, not just in the aesthetics of the lp but as a picture of life. the beauty of this album is elsewhere but as slightly embarrassing, unbuckled, silly fun it’s enjoyable.

Fizzles, Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

*rubber band

Fizzles, Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

much prefer it to the latter day tweeness of eg nu-coppers - the melding of fun and foul doesn’t work for me. bob and ron incontrovertible in their tart-voiced sussex harmonies.

Fizzles, Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Folkers are fond of their whimsy, even Martin Carthy does silly numbers, Dick Gaughan doesn't though. I saw a Mike Waterson solo (unaccompanied) concert once and one of the highlights of his set was a song called (something like) "Them Geese Is Ducks".

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

THE IRON ROAD IS A HARD ROAD #dickgaughanwhimsy

Fizzles, Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

He's funny, Dick Gaughan, all of these guys are entertainers, but he doesn't do whimsical, no sirree.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the image of dick gaughan’s face at encountering some unnecessary whimsy is making me laugh on the sofa.

but yes, whimsy def a part of english folk - feels like it’s about having a performing repertoire. but also the absurd logic is never far even from the grim songs

Fizzles, Sunday, 2 December 2018 19:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It's a part of folk music all over the world, not just England.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 December 2018 20:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

People are silly.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 December 2018 20:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

people like to laugh!
even a light lol is a lol

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 2 December 2018 23:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Too right.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 December 2018 23:33 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Just got a copy of the Hangman's Beautiful Daughter by Incredible String Band and I'm very into stoned whimsy right now

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 December 2018 00:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

not a bad place to be! :)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 3 December 2018 01:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

when will the Shirley Collins doc make it to my city?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!? that is what i would like to know

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 3 December 2018 01:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah that looks amazing

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 December 2018 01:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

A book on Dr. Strangely Strange coming out in March, looks promising (got a blurb from Rob Young who wrote Electric Eden):

https://drstrangelystrange.co.uk/index.html

by the light of the burning Citroën, Monday, 3 December 2018 02:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Oof, I picked up a vinyl copy of the reissue and it's so, so wonderful. It's really, really got to me. Less than NV but I have some vaguer connections with the Hull area and it's enchanting me. Love this place, this is really unexpected.

kraudive, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:47 (one week ago) Permalink

Was surprised to see a copy of Domino's Bright Phoebus in Fopp and I bought it. I assumed they'd all be gone.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:06 (one week ago) Permalink

I freaked out and ended up with two copies - bought the cheapest new copy on discogs, then found one in a local record shop before the first order had been confirmed so I bought that too just in case

my name is leee john, for we are many (NickB), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Does it have the second disc, the demos? I love Song for Thirza.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:07 (one week ago) Permalink

For those into ‘digital ownership’ and who are trying to figure out what to spend their emusic credits on as that service spins down the drain, they still had the expanded version for sale as of this past Monday

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 8 December 2018 17:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Hmm. The download code I got with my sealed vinyl copy didn't work.

kraudive, Saturday, 8 December 2018 17:48 (one week ago) Permalink

I've just ordered the 2 CD version of Bright Phoebus on German Amazon Marketplace. I own the single disc version, but want to get the deluxe set.

Duke, Saturday, 8 December 2018 21:27 (one week ago) Permalink

The seller says they have one new copy in stock for standard price

Duke, Saturday, 8 December 2018 21:28 (one week ago) Permalink


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