The Cure: Classic or Dud?

Well FINALLY.

Now it'll just be eight years until Wish.

Would love to listen to that remix but I'm a card carrying member of the "Fuck Spotify" Party. Anyone know if it's popped up elsewhere?

which mix? is there something from this that already leaked?

The Cure have announced details of the upcoming deluxe editions of ‘Mixed Up’ and ‘Torn Down’ – with new mixes. Check out the epic tracklist along with Robert Smith’s new remix of ‘Want’ below.

https://open.spotify.com/album/3IFvpSonQE96BozFYv4EWu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-srzgv6OYM

Song is on Apple Music too. Pretty horrid on first listen

Yeah that "baggy" rhythm is --- um --- yeah.

https://vimeo.com/266379545

wow this M! I'm going to danse the FUCK outta this one at the goth klubbe

did he rerecord vocals for all these?

ok nm these are the old vocals but wow they cleaned em up. lol @ the recorder on just one kiss. this is real fun so far.

wow, this is horrible. i'm so glad I didn't waste money on this in the store. can't believe they let this out with the Cure's name on it. It sounds like a very poor fan forum tribute compilation.

nah man its fine. and it def has robert's stamp on it. easter eggs all around too (he played the recorder during the top tour). but yah this wont sound good on computer speakers. these will play great at the goth klub.

can't believe they let this out with the Cure's name on it

ha ha who do you think "they" is in this sentence?

The Cure, but I don't think Robert Smith makes every decision. The record company had to approve it too. Clearly the Cure as an entity isn't fully in charge or RS wouldn't be doing that show as Robert Smith and Friends.

this project was all Robert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz-ZKCQJcf4

The Cure, but I don't think Robert Smith makes every decision.

RS is the owner, manager and sole voting partner of the business The Cure. Which 2018 record company do you think even could have an employee with the responsibility of protecting the Cure's legacy by not letting them put out a bad record?


also, reacting to Mixed Up 2 with "ugh this remix album is a stain on the band's legacy" is pretty funny :)

Clearly the Cure as an entity isn't fully in charge or RS wouldn't be doing that show as Robert Smith and Friends.

this is because he had already sold the 40th anniversary gig as being The Cure's only European show for 2018 (and Meltdown generally has several variant-from-usual performances by acts or curators)

finally!! a Cure album for everyone who wanted a bunch of classic back catalogue tracks to sound more like "Wrong Number"

That's the beauty of opinions, I guess. I think it's terrible. I also think the remixes collected for the original Mixed Up are pretty great overall. Lots of good points being made, I don't know if a record company would turn down a Cure album, no matter how bad, but I'd like to think there was some type of quality control happening somewhere.

How does the Mixed Up remaster sound? I have the orignal 2LP set, but thought about getting the new pressing if it sounds better.

Also, I don't think it's a stain on their legacy. Not sure I said that, but it's not much of a stretch to get to there from what I did actually say. I'm a 'strictly nothing post-92' Cure fan, so their legacy was already stained in my opinion. I wasn't in love with Wish overall, despite loving a few songs on the album.

this is because he had already sold the 40th anniversary gig as being The Cure's only European show for 2018

I had high hopes given the tracklisting, but it's not good. umsworth OTM.

yeah, I'm just funning bcz so many reactions to Mixed Up 1 were "wtf, stain."

Wrong Number rules btw, one of maybe five great things they've done since Wish

not a fan of remix albums but will still probably buy on CDs and i don't buy CDs anymore. i have all the newer ones so i will keep going. i just listened to "Want" and i actually like it.

listening to that pod cast "i just finished Wish and it's next."

happy happy, joy joy!

Man this is pretty bad. Sounds like he sat at his computer and just slapped some EDM synth plugin presets all over his original vocals. "Just One Kiss" is the only somewhat freaky and ok one out of them all. Terrible.

"Clearly the Cure as an entity isn't fully in charge or RS wouldn't be doing that show as Robert Smith and Friends."

I don't know. Maybe Simon has some rights....but as for this, roger didn't even know this was coming out; he learned it from me on facebook.

If the tracks were the originals it would pretty much be my own Cure "Best Of". But I lean towards the "this is horrible" camp.

No surprise there. RS has lost his ear for music in the late 90s. Don’t think he spent much time on this though

Extremely great interview by a board vet here

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/07/the-cures-robert-smith-i-was-very-optimistic-when-i-was-young-now-im-the-opposite

Had no idea they used Plainsong in Ant Man. I'm never going to watch the movie. Was it good?

that's a great interview, thanks for posting Ned!

the great thing about "Plainsong" in that movie is that it's so prominent. they played the full song too or pretty close from what i remember. all in slow motion. the movie is a super hero movie if you are into that sort of stuff. i am, so i liked it.

found it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9urW_X0LJss

there's a difference between "written by Joe out of Adam & Joe and directed by Peyton Reed" and "written & directed by Zack Snyder" or "written & directed by Frank Miller"

Great interview yeah. I wonder what Bob made of Plainsong being used in Toni Erdmann..

since Parry sold off the business, Robert seems to have been happy to license songs to any film that asks.

speaking of, i found this in regards to:

(07/23/15): Director Peyton Reed tells Film School Rejects how and why this scene happened.

Reed also would’ve been upset if Marvel couldn’t secure the rights for a song from The Cure’s finest album, Disintegration. Ant-Man may be the first movie in history to have a song by The Cure playing during one of its big set pieces. At one point Ant-Man and Yellow Jacket fight in a briefcase to the amazing sound of ‘Plainsong’. “In the briefcase battle, we knew we wanted to have an iPhone joke,” Reed says. “We had all these different versions of jokes, like, Yellow Jacket saying, ‘You’re going to end up dead!’ and then you’d hear ‘Searching for the nearest Panera Bread.’ There were some funny jokes and some not-so-funny jokes, but, at the end of the day, they were just jokes. What if he activated the music feature? What would it be? I’m a massive Cure fan. We came up with a bunch of things, but we thought we could find a joke for ‘disintegration.’ The first song on Disinigration, which is the second CD I ever bought, was ‘Plainsong’. It’s such an epic song that it transcended the joke — scoring this whole battle in a briefcase. There was this weird, cold wave goth vibe, changing the character of that action scene. You have all these action scenes you want to have a different flavor. Then it became a question of, ‘Will [The Cure frontman] Robert Smith let us use his music?’ He ended up loving it, so he did.”

BTW, for those who didn't read the article that Ned linked, possible new The Cure album after 10 years. God, i hope so!

Yeah, but Robert Smith said it, so there's a 99% chance it's just slightly drunken bullshit.

so finally got around to listen to the new remixes - not as bad as I thought, although very throwaway.
The cheesy Avalon-ish version of Night Like This for instance is pretty great. The actual mixing though is pretty crap (as usual), with vocals way too high up (this ruins what would otherwise be a pretty badass version fo Shake Dog Shake)

re-discovered how great the "Everything Mix" of 'The Walk' was. Weird to think that remix is nearly 30 years old - it really sounds like it could have come out last month.

That's a great interview - I enjoyed reading Robert's thoughts on his approach to writing lyrics. While I can understand why he shies away from certain kinds of approaches, I'd be interesting in seeing what kind of lyrics he's come up with while deviating from his preferred methods.

i finally listened to the remix album today and it wasn't bad. i do own the original CD but i'm not a remix type of person, so i never really warmed up to it. this new version is not bad but is still a remix album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2E3EWhvDsc

Hi Turrican :)

so weird how the fest was billed as old members coming back and drastically different versions of songs and then none of that happened.

no surprise here

Might as well throw this out there in this thread:

My take a Cure album that never was--but that I suspect may have been intended to be at some point--circa 'Wild Mood Swings' but IMO far superior to that album, comprised of a few album tracks and some of the b-sides, almost all of which are superior to the album that was released. There were enough tracks in that era that heavily featured string instruments--not something they often did before then--that it makes me think at some point that was a sound they had in mind for an album. The vibe is just too coherent and consistent for it to be an accident--a lot of the b-sides even have album-style intro-outro segue portions, such that it all hangs together rather nicely as an album. I would rate it around the equal as 'Wish,' which for me is to say not amazing but quite good, a few spotty mid-90s production flourishes notwithstanding.

https://scontent.fzty1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20045576_10159281061750495_3240874481460166229_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=84d76d07d27915aa6b90954cb2abd7be&oe=5BB337C1

01. Adonais
02. Jupiter Crash
03. A Pink Dream
04. Treasure
05. Home
06. Waiting
07. Dredd Song
08. It Used To Be Me
09. Numb
10. Ocean
11. Bare
12. This Is A Lie

http://www.mediafire.com/file/8f97pneclpg72ut/ThisIsALie.zip/file

Yeah I think RS has alluded to this a few times. He was planning to release a Nick Drake influenced set of songs and worked with strings for quite a bit, at a time when he was the only remaining member of the band. I guess when Simon came back he decided to /had to go back to a more traditional sound. Anyway, the idea sounded good on paper, but always found these acoustic and strings songs incredibly dull and lifeless.